Konosuba: God's Blessing on This Wonderful World! (light novel)
Z4k said: Ketuekigami said: The ones I linked were not animation, they were just art. At this point we should all be painfully aware of how bad DEEN is at art that is not meant to be the focus of attention. But it's sometimes so bad that it becomes the focus for that reason. Umineko and FSN UBW as prime examples Those two shows were animated by different people. And DEEN can make a show with great art. https://myanimelist.net/anime/28735/Shouwa_Genroku_Rakugo_Shinjuu The scenes I linked from Konosuba were animated by different people? /s |
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Z4k said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_basic_principles_of_animation Animation isn't about whether it looks nice in a screenshot but how it looks in motion. Looks like some otaku are teaching other otaku the difference between art and animation... It's like engineers were teaching other engineers the difference between and an addition and a multiplication XD Totally useless. |
Ketuekigami said: Kenna_Pyralis said: Wow this is so you guys really don't understand animation. ... Looking great right? That's why you should stop showing screen shots for animation because its intended to be viewed in motion not as a still image. However I cannot refute some of the still scences, looked too undetailed at points and weren't used to make the comedy unique. Was disappointed. The ones I linked were not animation, they were just art. At this point we should all be painfully aware of how bad DEEN is at art that is not meant to be the focus of attention. But it's sometimes so bad that it becomes the focus for that reason. Umineko and FSN UBW as prime examples 2016: 2017: Lol............ |
Yuki_NonakaJan 14, 2017 3:25 AM
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SeasonADay said: Ketuekigami said: At this point we should all be painfully aware of how bad DEEN is at art that is not meant to be the focus of attention. But it's sometimes so bad that it becomes the focus for that reason. Umineko and FSN UBW as prime examples  ............lol Sometimes I think they hire child labor. No one but a child with crayons could draw those swords and think it's ok...  |
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genesic123 said: SeasonADay said: Studio Deen Sucks. Garbage. Nah, it works for the show. It helps to give the show the unique expressions and movements when it is needed. We don't need the "still art"that make up other anime. Animation should serve the story,it shouldn't be "good" when it is not suitable. "unique expressions"  |
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Ketuekigami said: genesic123 said: Nah, it works for the show. It helps to give the show the unique expressions and movements when it is needed. We don't need the "still art"that make up other anime. Animation should serve the story,it shouldn't be "good" when it is not suitable. "unique expressions" It's not even bad when still..... With movement it works well. |
Ketuekigami said: Z4k said: Those two shows were animated by different people. And DEEN can make a show with great art. https://myanimelist.net/anime/28735/Shouwa_Genroku_Rakugo_Shinjuu The scenes I linked from Konosuba were animated by different people? /s What? I'm talking about FSN and Umineko and yes Konosuba is animated by a different team. Edit: Nevermind you're just shitposting at this point like a typical Type-moon tard. Go on. |
If that's not bad than nothing can ever be called bad. And Konosuba S2 still looks like crap, why are other "animators" relevant? Apparently DEEN is really bad at hiring animators. But even a broken clock is right twice a day, S1 looked good. Too bad S2 is now a part of DEENs many half assed attempts. |
KetuekigamiJan 14, 2017 3:41 AM
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What movement? Megumin is only moving her mouth and everything else is fixed... Both animation and art suck. Fmc it makes the show less enjoyable. Even a comedy needs quality... People are not complaining for fun. But well if you are ok with that there is no point to argue. |
Zamoth said: if you keep eating shit, you will get used to shit. he's that kind of person.What movement? Megumin is only moving her mouth and everything else is fixed... Both animation and art suck. Fmc it makes the show less enjoyable. Even a comedy needs quality... People are not complaining for fun. But well if you are ok with that there is no point to argue. |
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Ketuekigami said: If that's not bad than nothing can ever be called bad. And Konosuba S2 still looks like crap, why are other "animators" relevant? Apparently DEEN is really bad at hiring animators. But even a broken clock is right twice a day, S1 looked good. Too bad S2 is now a part of DEENs many half assed attempts. They probably before they made Umineko. |
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SeasonADay said: Ketuekigami said: If that's not bad than nothing can ever be called bad. And Konosuba S2 still looks like crap, why are other "animators" relevant? Apparently DEEN is really bad at hiring animators. But even a broken clock is right twice a day, S1 looked good. Too bad S2 is now a part of DEENs many half assed attempts. They probably before they made Umineko. I wouldn't be surprised if they were told "here's $100, now animate Umineko". Maybe it was different animators, maybe THOSE animators sucked ass, maybe the director sucked ass. But DEEN is like a magnet for sucking ass. |
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| Despite being a huge fan of S1, including its art style, I couldn't bring myself to like the art style of S2. It does feel like a down-grade in art instead of even a side-grade (which is how I view LN2 compared to LN). However, I'm sure I'll get used to it soon enough. The story and seiyuu are still there. |
GangsterCat said: Zamoth said: if you keep eating shit, you will get used to shit. he's that kind of person.What movement? Megumin is only moving her mouth and everything else is fixed... Both animation and art suck. Fmc it makes the show less enjoyable. Even a comedy needs quality... People are not complaining for fun. But well if you are ok with that there is no point to argue. Seem hypocritical considering your Sig is worse. Don't talk about art when you own standards are shit. |
genesic123Jan 14, 2017 4:21 AM
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Ketuekigami said: what you call art was animation in mid frame with the stretched or squashed effect. Hence it look weirdKenna_Pyralis said: Wow this is so you guys really don't understand animation. ... Looking great right? That's why you should stop showing screen shots for animation because its intended to be viewed in motion not as a still image. However I cannot refute some of the still scences, looked too undetailed at points and weren't used to make the comedy unique. Was disappointed. The ones I linked were not animation, they were just art. At this point we should all be painfully aware of how bad DEEN is at art that is not meant to be the focus of attention. But it's sometimes so bad that it becomes the focus for that reason. Umineko and FSN UBW as prime examples |
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GangsterCat said: cross ange is the best anime ever made Kono Suba has better art than Cross Ange |
| S1 http://imgur.com/a/ygonn art S2 http://imgur.com/a/jxbCV fecal matter |
Yuki_NonakaJan 14, 2017 4:37 AM
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Kenna_Pyralis said: what you call art was animation in mid frame with the stretched or squashed effect. Hence it look weird Sorry but this is not a midframe. This is a static frame. This has nothing to do with visual masking and your screenshot from overwatch. |
Zamoth said: fair enough I agree but hopefully konosuba fans aren't watching konosuba for 24 minute still frame crisp art, If you want to do that just go to the art gallery, but for the comedic moments and characters otherwise this whole arguments is looking very stupid. Its not dragon ball super episode 5 so I say people shut up and watch konosuba for its comedy.Kenna_Pyralis said: what you call art was animation in mid frame with the stretched or squashed effect. Hence it look weird Sorry but this is not a midframe. This is a static frame. This has nothing to do with visual masking and your screenshot from overwatch. |
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Ketuekigami said: Kenna_Pyralis said: Wow this is so you guys really don't understand animation. ... Looking great right? That's why you should stop showing screen shots for animation because its intended to be viewed in motion not as a still image. However I cannot refute some of the still scences, looked too undetailed at points and weren't used to make the comedy unique. Was disappointed. The ones I linked were not animation, they were just art. At this point we should all be painfully aware of how bad DEEN is at art that is not meant to be the focus of attention. But it's sometimes so bad that it becomes the focus for that reason. Umineko and FSN UBW as prime examples Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works was done by ufotable, not Studio Deen. The original FSN is garbage. Also, they didn't adapt it to the visual novel well, but that isn't the point. Fuck Kono Suba season 2. I think they must have a very low budget... |
Yuki_NonakaJan 14, 2017 5:56 AM
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You forgot to add this one for S1.  |
looks like a certain character  |
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Yeah... That isn't all the time though. Season 2 is all the time. though, i'm sure you already know that... |
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SeasonADay said: Yeah... That isn't all the time though. Season 2 is all the time. though, i'm sure you already know that... All the time? We've only seen one episode though. xD Not that art is all that important for a comedy anyways. Like I said before, it really just depends on what kind of show it is. You can have this kind of art in a comedy like this. |
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Art is important for a comedy too. |
FononZero said: In comparison to other genres, no, it's not. You ever wonder why Ed and Al from FMA randomly turn into weird bubble head people or shark alligator mouths out of no where during comedy scenes? There is something about comedy which allows you to get away with stuff like that. And the creators are 100% conscious of it. You are off topic. I can laugh at Kazuma making a weird face like I can laugh to El and Al from FMA. Here the problem is that the drawings get funnier randomly and not on purpose. There is a huge lack of quality and the creators probably are 100% conscious of that. |
FononZero said: Zamoth said: You are off topic. Konosuba can have random derp faces because the show is never serious. And like I said before, if this show was something like Death Note or Ghost in the Shell... then yes, we would have a problem. But it's not. The funny thing is that I'm sure I'm more critical on art than most people... but I can still enjoy this kind of show because it can get away with this kind of art. Despite that, I will say that I can understand your complaints to some extent.... because they changed the art style in the middle of 2 seasons. If they wanted to go with this art style, they should have made it that way in season one. ok, now back on topic @Zamoth have fun waiting for Spice and Wolf season 3 @SeasonADay your avatar sucks No need to be rude because we don't share the same opinion. |
| And here where ppl rant about something that the series just done "worse" and rant that the whole shit is "worse" because of the "animation", ppl you'll get over it in time... Calm down... |
| Maybe that because of that? FononZero said: Zamoth said: You are off topic. ok, now back on topic @Zamoth have fun waiting for Spice and Wolf season 3 @SeasonADay your avatar sucks Why ? What kind of good can come from that kind of post? :( As a conclusion (for my concern), I just hope that next episode's animation and art will be more solid so I can enjoy the show at its greatness. |
SeasonADay said: Just makes me realize how bad the art is. I can't ignore it. xD It looks like the whole cast gained 15 pounds in season 2. Well just tell yourself they really took 15 pounds because of their luxury life in the manor. |
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FononZero said: In comparison to other genres, no, it's not. You ever wonder why Ed and Al from FMA randomly turn into weird bubble head people or shark alligator mouths out of no where during comedy scenes? There is something about comedy which allows you to get away with stuff like that. And the creators are 100% conscious of it. So you are saying that because it is a comedy it is ok to actually get really lazy at background and out of focus art? Even in still frames? This is 2017 now, so we shouldnt have art from 2000 level technology.  It doesn't have to be "OMG THIS ANIME HAS THE BEST ART EVER!11!!". But even a comedy has a threshold level of how good the art needs to be. |
KetuekigamiJan 14, 2017 1:07 PM
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Ketuekigami said: FononZero said: In comparison to other genres, no, it's not. You ever wonder why Ed and Al from FMA randomly turn into weird bubble head people or shark alligator mouths out of no where during comedy scenes? There is something about comedy which allows you to get away with stuff like that. And the creators are 100% conscious of it. So you are saying that because it is a comedy it is ok to actually get really lazy at background and out of focus art? Even in still frames? This is 2017 now, so we shouldnt have art from 2000 level technology. It doesn't have to be "OMG THIS ANIME HAS THE BEST ART EVER!11!!". But even a comedy has a threshold level of how good the art needs to be. wow that looks so great!  lol |
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GangsterCat said: Ketuekigami said: So you are saying that because it is a comedy it is ok to actually get really lazy at background and out of focus art? Even in still frames? This is 2017 now, so we shouldnt have art from 2000 level technology. It doesn't have to be "OMG THIS ANIME HAS THE BEST ART EVER!11!!". But even a comedy has a threshold level of how good the art needs to be. wow that looks so great! lol It's also important to note that the scene I took is from a still scene, where the characters are not moving. Which looks FAR WORSE than shitty art that is used as in between frames. It stays on the screen for a noticeable time-frame, unlike that DBZ image that was probably less than half a second. The scene I linked stays on screen for SEVEN SECONDS FOR FUCKS SAKE. All that time the focus is on Megumin, and right next to her you see that. I think the problem with most of the people here is that they are assuming the bad art is only in the movement frames, when it is actually in a lot of still frames also. Kenna_Pyralis said: fair enough I agree but hopefully konosuba fans aren't watching konosuba for 24 minute still frame crisp art, If you want to do that just go to the art gallery, but for the comedic moments and characters otherwise this whole arguments is looking very stupid. Its not dragon ball super episode 5 so I say people shut up and watch konosuba for its comedy. There is a big difference between expecting "24 minute still frame crisp art", and expecting not to get randomly placed frames of shitty art that is hard to move past. Even a comedy has a certain threshold for what it needs to look like, and I think S2 is limboing barely under that threshold. Well written comedy does not survive if it's paired with eye cancer lol |
KetuekigamiJan 14, 2017 1:39 PM
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| It was enjoyable though for me :x |
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| Not watching Konosuba for the art anyways, don't matter to me. |
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| To all of those claiming "it's a comedy, so the art isn't important": if I wanted to listen to comedy, I would listen to stand-up, which tends to have far-wittier jokes and excellent delivery compared to an anime. But no, I am watching an anime...with eyes, if I have to be more obvious here. The writing and VA work is only half of the job. The other half is the visuals. Right now, they aren't working, and for those of us who aren't a huge fan of stand-up, the comedy stops working too without the visual support. I'm not listening to a podcast. I'm watching a television show. |
| Yeah.. I tried my best to ignore the distorced faces and expressions, but i can't... I mean, while in a "comedy scene" it's ok to distorce a little, but even in the normal and serious scenes.... But the show stills pretty fun and hilarious |
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SeasonADay said: Just makes me realize how bad the art is. I can't ignore it. xD It looks like the whole cast gained 15 pounds in season 2. It's sad that people don't understand artistic choices and don't realize that having this kind of SAO-design would certainly make the whole less entertaining. I'm not saying that Deen chose QUALITY by default, but their usual bad animation happens to works pretty well tends to be transparent with the cartoonish approach of KonoSuba. I agree that first season was nicer (or at least that this first ep of second season had really terrible off model drawings) but it wasn't THAT much of a bother (always the same screenshots are posted btw, it's really localized and cherrypicked), and you can still hope for nicer episodes (1st season was quite inconsistent too). |
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