Akame ga KILL!
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Darklight0303 said: And Akame just forgets her initial goal to take Wave's Teigu in order to setup a confrontation. Is the author even trying at this point? forgetting plot elements he put up in the first place Indeed. At some point I feel the mangaka completely lost his inspiration writing this story. It's a shame because it was pretty decent in the beginning when the first translations came out. But the last 20 chapters or so have been downhill. |
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| I'm confused, I thought that if two or plus Teigu ever got into a fight someone was going to die no matter what. Wasn't that said in like the first 5 chapters? Did I miss something? |
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bobzanny said: I'm confused, I thought that if two or plus Teigu ever got into a fight someone was going to die no matter what. Wasn't that said in like the first 5 chapters? Did I miss something? The rules of this world have been broken so many times it's honestly laughable. |
Farabeuf said: Darklight0303 said: And Akame just forgets her initial goal to take Wave's Teigu in order to setup a confrontation. Is the author even trying at this point? forgetting plot elements he put up in the first place Indeed. At some point I feel the mangaka completely lost his inspiration writing this story. It's a shame because it was pretty decent in the beginning when the first translations came out. But the last 20 chapters or so have been downhill. It's go on downhill since Wild Hunt arc. Before that, the manga was decent. bobzanny said: I'm confused, I thought that if two or plus Teigu ever got into a fight someone was going to die no matter what. Wasn't that said in like the first 5 chapters? Did I miss something? That rule has been broken many times. By example, Run survives his two first encounters with Night Raid (the fight with Akame before the fight with Ibara and the time that he intercepts Night Raid's Flying Manta). And in the battle with Esdeath in the Cathedral any Teigu user died. About the chapter, I like it, but I'm pretty sure that Kurome will not survive to the end of the manga T.T. And I wish that Takahiro gives Wave a decent fight before ending the manga, except for Syura, the guy had been defeated or deceiving in every fight he had. |
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bobzanny said: I'm confused, I thought that if two or plus Teigu ever got into a fight someone was going to die no matter what. Wasn't that said in like the first 5 chapters? Did I miss something? Only if both sides have intent to kill. Akame wanted Wave to bring out Kurome. |
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Illyricus said: bobzanny said: I'm confused, I thought that if two or plus Teigu ever got into a fight someone was going to die no matter what. Wasn't that said in like the first 5 chapters? Did I miss something? That rule has been broken many times. By example, Run survives his two first encounters with Night Raid (the fight with Akame before the fight with Ibara and the time that he intercepts Night Raid's Flying Manta). And in the battle with Esdeath in the Cathedral any Teigu user died. The rule only applies when both sides have intent to kill. Night Raid's target was Boric. Not the Jaegers. |
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| Pretty interesting chapter, finally Akame's character is developed a bit more. Wave is one of the few sane people in the series, as some people have already pointed out. I hope Leone survives if fighting ensues in the next chapter. |
| There are a lot of people saying Akame can't lose but when I read comments like this it feels almost as ominous as a death flag itself. Not even totally sure why but I do that the author isn't anticipating such opinions with an intent to blindside the fan base entirely. |
G_Spark233 said: Illyricus said: That rule has been broken many times. By example, Run survives his two first encounters with Night Raid (the fight with Akame before the fight with Ibara and the time that he intercepts Night Raid's Flying Manta). And in the battle with Esdeath in the Cathedral any Teigu user died. The rule only applies when both sides have intent to kill. Night Raid's target was Boric. Not the Jaegers. What a cheap fucking loophole. |
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1idd0kun said: It's not a loophole because it was never a literal rule. That's just figurative speech. Admittedly, I've also had my own share of confusion regarding this. So somehow, it is a huge load off to hear someone actually state it outright. |
David_Nwachukwu said: Merely comparing wave's fighting when he took on akame,lubbock and mine to this fight,it's clear as day of the differences,one had him composed and handling all the trio while keeping a watch out for mine's blast and noticing lubbock's concealed strings,the other lost his composure and just rushed in,had that one faced the trio,he would have been beaten almost immediately. Wave never actually took those 3 down, the only reason that happened was because their main focus was getting into the cathedral while Esdeath was fighting the other 4, the author even explained on this chapter. If you keep saying that Wave got beaten simply because he wasn't focusing, we can just simply say that the only reason he got that moment of glory of his, is because the other 3 weren't focusing aswell. Akame would still win the fight even if Wave was serious, at this point the only one that Wave could possibly beat is Leone, but I'm pretty sure he's going to get some buff like Tatsumi, only then he might have a chance against Akame. Now with that moment of glory of his being explained the only reason for us to believe he's THAT strong is because he beat Syura, but is that even worth mentioning?Heck the whole WH thing was a waste of time. |
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bobzanny said: G_Spark233 said: The rule only applies when both sides have intent to kill. Night Raid's target was Boric. Not the Jaegers. What a cheap fucking loophole. It's more Night Raid being assassins than "a cheap fucking loophole." |
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Teedog12 said: -ZET- said: I may be wrong, but I really don't remember Akame fighting anyone on her level or similar. I'd like to think Zank gave her a hard time. He may be an early opponent, (like chapter 4 I think) but he had quite a powerful Teigu that allowed him to contend with Akame. Sure, he could predict her movements with his ability, but its another thing to be able to react to her attacks and not get blitzed, as well as giving her a few cuts. Zank was a very difficult opponent indeed. I mean, his Teigu was very useful and he was a good fighter. He only lost when he used his ilusion on Akame (because the Kurome factor), that did her to break his blades with Murasame. If Zank wouldn't be that insane, I'm sure that he would give a more hard battle to Akame and would kill Tatsumi. About Wave, like Esdeath said in the chapter when he let Tasumi escape, his weakness is that despite he is a good fighter, he is mentally weak, and like we have appreciated in this fight, Wave becomes nervous when fighting with Akame and that has put him in disadvantage and unable to counter Akame's plan. Wave needs to improve, but in a psychological aspect, although I think that Grand Chariot could be better. I mean, his only move is Grand Fall, I would like to see a better version of the Teigu. |
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WhiteWolfEyes21 said: Trentor11 said: This manga has been on a downhill spiral for a long time The manga just keeps crapping on characters to force angst and drama. Wave is probably the only decent character left and he's gotten reduced to almost fodder level it's sickening. And the Kurome Akame conflict is wearing out thin Agreed. At this point I'm tired of hearing about the sisters conflict. A fight between those two isn't even anything to look forward to. 1. Akame is the title character 2. Akame is overpowered. 3. Kurome was severely injured 4. Kurome lost the majority of her puppets 5. Kurome is going to die eventually anyway if she doesn't go to the fountain of life. 6. Akame will be needed to finish off Esdeath or an out of control Tyrant Tatsumi Logic doesn't just indicate that Akame will kill Kurome, but that she'll do it very easily. They can talk about the fountain of life all they want, but they've spent way too much time enforcing the idea of a future battle with those two for it to not happen. Don't even get me started on Wave. The only decent character who could have done so much more. I do not want to remember him this weak. :( Wave. The only decent character? This shonen stereotype? Seems like we didn't see the same show, or we don't have the same vision of a decent character... He's the quintessence of the depthless character... Boring and uninterresting, as the majority of the others characters. If there is well a character to keep in mind in AgK, it's Esdeath, if we are able to forget this superficial sadistic aspect, which just exists for the entertainment. Thanks to her original and non-Manichean personality which was interresting to follow, her BG which is literally the only one to be relevant and truly sad and her character development about her feelings. Throw all other characters of this wasted (maybe not?) show to the trash can, ready for the scrap heap ! |
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toncue12 said: If there is well a character to keep in mind in AgK, it's Esdeath Stopped reading here. |
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| Esdeath is interesting to an extent, but her sue powers are really incoherents. I would not be surprised to seeing her doing a Kamehameha in her next battle. |
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Junchi said: toncue12 said: If there is well a character to keep in mind in AgK, it's Esdeath Stopped reading here. Thx for your useless intervention, little pink poney. Illyricus said: Esdeath is interesting to an extent, but her sue powers are really incoherents. I would not be surprised to seeing her doing a Kamehameha in her next battle. Esdeath is OP since the beginning... And mahapadma has a decent explanation ( Freeze water molecules in the area) If that's what you have in mind. However, her new power which allows her to fly is indeed strange. |
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toncue12 said: And mahapadma has a decent explanation ( Freeze water molecules in the area) If that's what you have in mind. It's that true?, I don't remember that, the wiki's description says another thing: Mahapadma: The trump card of Demon's Extract which freezes space and time. When used, space and time are frozen and only the user can move for short period of time. This ability is very taxing on its user and can only be used once a day. She originally developed this technique to prevent Tatsumi from escaping again after his escape at Mt. Fake. However, after the adaptation of Incursio, he is able to move freely while this ability is active. I know that a wiki it's editable, but I don't think that the wiki editors would commit an error like that. It only freezes all the enemies on an area, I'm okay with this, but it Mahapadma ability is freezing (stopping) the time-space, I don't buy that and only make Esdeath OP for the sake of being OP. |
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toncue12 said: Thx for your useless intervention, little pink poney. Nothing much. Just keep entertaining us. |
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Junchi said: toncue12 said: Thx for your useless intervention, little pink poney. Nothing much. Just keep entertaining us. Well... I'm satisfied to amuse you despite the relevance gap between our answers... But i'm not sure you will spend a better day by inventing a life by believing to have friends who agree with you (indicated by the use of "us"). I hope the nature of your entertainment is not in link with your incapacity to give arguments. It is what we would call a sick reaction. If i'm right, then back to your little poney world for ever ! Or the scrap heap. |
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toncue12 said: WhiteWolfEyes21 said: Agreed. At this point I'm tired of hearing about the sisters conflict. A fight between those two isn't even anything to look forward to. 1. Akame is the title character 2. Akame is overpowered. 3. Kurome was severely injured 4. Kurome lost the majority of her puppets 5. Kurome is going to die eventually anyway if she doesn't go to the fountain of life. 6. Akame will be needed to finish off Esdeath or an out of control Tyrant Tatsumi Logic doesn't just indicate that Akame will kill Kurome, but that she'll do it very easily. They can talk about the fountain of life all they want, but they've spent way too much time enforcing the idea of a future battle with those two for it to not happen. Don't even get me started on Wave. The only decent character who could have done so much more. I do not want to remember him this weak. :( Wave. The only decent character? This shonen stereotype? Seems like we didn't see the same show, or we don't have the same vision of a decent character... He's the quintessence of the depthless character... Boring and uninterresting, as the majority of the others characters. If there is well a character to keep in mind in AgK, it's Esdeath, if we are able to forget this superficial sadistic aspect, which just exists for the entertainment. Thanks to her original and non-Manichean personality which was interresting to follow, her BG which is literally the only one to be relevant and truly sad and her character development about her feelings. Throw all other characters of this wasted (maybe not?) show to the trash can, ready for the scrap heap ! Esdeath is a cliche sadist character with a very cringeworthy obsession with the main character. Her BG is alright but my original statement mixed with her inconsistent bullshit power set makes me wonder how in the world you think this chick is original? I could write paragraphs of her tropes kid. Also you mention character development where she has little but. Having a BG doesn't equal development. She fails because she fails to do what she was made to be which was supposed to be a decent antagonist/character. If you claim all the other characters are boring and uninteresting then objectively she should be at the top |
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WhiteWolfEyes21 said: Agreed. At this point I'm tired of hearing about the sisters conflict. A fight between those two isn't even anything to look forward to. 1. Akame is the title character 2. Akame is overpowered. 3. Kurome was severely injured 4. Kurome lost the majority of her puppets 5. Kurome is going to die eventually anyway if she doesn't go to the fountain of life. 6. Akame will be needed to finish off Esdeath or an out of control Tyrant Tatsumi Read this makes me sad, because now the battle would be less exciting. But we don't have to forget that Kurome still have Run as a puppet, and he is a Teigu user, so I think that he might be make the battle more intense. I don't think that Akame is going to lose anyway, but at least it will be Akame vs two Teigu users. I only hope that the battle don't be like the anime's one, with the Danger Beast coming out of nowhere bullshit. |
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TheGrandSage23 said: toncue12 said: Wave. The only decent character? This shonen stereotype? Seems like we didn't see the same show, or we don't have the same vision of a decent character... He's the quintessence of the depthless character... Boring and uninterresting, as the majority of the others characters. If there is well a character to keep in mind in AgK, it's Esdeath, if we are able to forget this superficial sadistic aspect, which just exists for the entertainment. Thanks to her original and non-Manichean personality which was interresting to follow, her BG which is literally the only one to be relevant and truly sad and her character development about her feelings. Throw all other characters of this wasted (maybe not?) show to the trash can, ready for the scrap heap ! Esdeath is a cliche sadist character with a very cringeworthy obsession with the main character. Her BG is alright but my original statement mixed with her inconsistent bullshit power set makes me wonder how in the world you think this chick is original? I could write paragraphs of her tropes kid. Also you mention character development where she has little but. Having a BG doesn't equal development. She fails because she fails to do what she was made to be which was supposed to be a decent antagonist/character. If you claim all the other characters are boring and uninteresting then objectively she should be at the top Don't care of powers... It is not that which builds a character... To say "Esdeath is a cliche sadist character with a very cringeworthy obsession with the main character", I can say in return that you didn't see many manga, yanderes are extremely rare in the shonen world... You appeal to the objectivity, while you are not capable of passing above this superficial sadistic aspect which I quoted... If we are truly objective, Esdeath represents 80% of the interest of this poor manga. Why? Because almost everything turns around her. Esdeath is the intrigue. You manage even to claim that certain characters would be less boring, while they are even no characters, at such a level of mediocrity. I can't really give a credit to that. Why I think she's original?... Because her presence as antagonist (non-manichean, i call back) is unique for a shonen. Of course, if we speak abouts seinens, that would be different. |
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| Why are you people even arguing about characters in this manga? I love AKG manga, I've read all of the chapters for like 4 times already, I really love how there's no "you're a good character, you can't die" experience in this and honestly, this is the only reason why I love this manga. However, if I actually look at the things, there nothing else special in this manga, there's no genius, super interesting character and no interesting plot aswell, heck the villains in this manga all have the same mentality except for Esdeath and Budou. Speaking of Budou, he was the only thing that could make this manga have a interesting plot, the first ever villain to not have a thirst for battle nor be a corrupt fuck, also the fact that he wanted to change the empire from the inside, this was a perfect thing for a good villain, but apparently that's too good for this manga. But seriously the only reason why I keep reading AKG is because of that factor and because of both Esdeath and Akame, anything else is just meh. |
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-ZET- said: Speaking of Budou, he was the only thing that could make this manga have a interesting plot, the first ever villain to not have a thirst for battle nor be a corrupt fuck, also the fact that he wanted to change the empire from the inside, this was a perfect thing for a good villain, but apparently that's too good for this manga. Budo was seriously wasted, I mean, he was the first enemy of the Empire that was not loyal to Honest (Wave and Bols were nice guys, but they still support Honest) and he may have been a third party in the Empire that could allowed Run and Wave's goal to change the Empire from the inside. Also he could have been a powerful ally to fight Esdeath, who everytime has a new power to make her more OP and I don't think that that explanation from Najenda than to defeat her it would been needed a great army and 10 teigu users (including Akame) it will perform. TyrantTatsumi! and Akame will fight Esdeath and that's it. But not only that, instead, Takahiro did Budo very stupid (he did not support the Revolutionary Army when is the most easy way to defeat Honest) and he used him as a mere Villain of the Week to show how overpower Pumpkin is. He had potential, but like the majority of the characters of the manga, he was wasted. Honestly, since WH introduction this has gone downhill. The only characters that I care for now are Wave and Kurome, and I'm sure that she is going to die. |
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RemixX said: G_Spark233 said: It's more Night Raid being assassins than "a cheap fucking loophole." we all know AgK!'s writing is not the best lol. Didn't Wave say he was gonna bring "[Akame's] head back on a silver platter" last chapter? (may have been a thing lost in translation on Mangastream's part). I'm pretty sure that means he had the intent to kill her.... but didn't. And no one died.. Not only that. Akame herself said she wanted to capture the Teigu from Wave. And yet this chapter she just forgets it it in order to hamfistedly set up a confrontation between herself and Kuroma. The author clearly only knows how to do things hamfistedly. Romance plot progression, all with the grace of a rabid minotaur in a china shop |
RemixX said: G_Spark233 said: It's more Night Raid being assassins than "a cheap fucking loophole." we all know AgK!'s writing is not the best lol. Didn't Wave say he was gonna bring "[Akame's] head back on a silver platter" last chapter? (may have been a thing lost in translation on Mangastream's part). I'm pretty sure that means he had the intent to kill her.... but didn't. And no one died.. Akame's goal was for Wave to bring out Kurome. She wasn't plan on killing Wave then ask him to bring out Kurome. |
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G_Spark233 said: RemixX said: we all know AgK!'s writing is not the best lol. Didn't Wave say he was gonna bring "[Akame's] head back on a silver platter" last chapter? (may have been a thing lost in translation on Mangastream's part). I'm pretty sure that means he had the intent to kill her.... but didn't. And no one died.. Akame's goal was for Wave to bring out Kurome. She wasn't plan on killing Wave then ask him to bring out Kurome. Last chapter she says this is her chance to capture this Teigu. Pretty sure capturing that Teigu would not happen while Wave was alive. |
Darklight0303 said: G_Spark233 said: Akame's goal was for Wave to bring out Kurome. She wasn't plan on killing Wave then ask him to bring out Kurome. Last chapter she says this is her chance to capture this Teigu. Pretty sure capturing that Teigu would not happen while Wave was alive. I think that was a mistranslation. Mangastream's translation shouldn't be trusted too much with this series. |
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G_Spark233 said: I think that was a mistranslation. Mangastream's translation shouldn't be trusted too much with this series. This. I wouldn't give the Mangastream TL that much credit which has been proved many times, just think ch57 where Tatsumi wanted to use Susanoo's trump card (Jesus Christ). |
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| Calling it now, Wave is going to get a sword for his Grand Chariot. Incursio already gets its obligatory spear, so why shouldn't Wave get one? He probably doesn't realise he can get one yet. |
| Damn it, I felt like this chapter kept shoving in my face to read the prequel manga to fully enjoy future chapters. Especially when Akame meets her old comrades again. |
G_Spark233 said: Darklight0303 said: Last chapter she says this is her chance to capture this Teigu. Pretty sure capturing that Teigu would not happen while Wave was alive. I think that was a mistranslation. Mangastream's translation shouldn't be trusted too much with this series. Then by all means provide the true translation. Until then I'm going to continue calling bullshit on an author who has lost his pride as an author long ago |
Darklight0303 said: Then by all means provide the true translation. Until then I'm going to continue calling bullshit on an author who has lost his pride as an author long ago Since I'm not a translator I can't really say for certain but my guess is wthat she said that she was going to break though the armour rather than capturing it. That would make a lot more sense. Junchi said: lol yea that was retarded. Just FYI I'm pretty sure that he was Tatsumi was comparing himself to Susanoo and his trump card with how both have limited uses. That would also make a lot more sense.I wouldn't give the Mangastream TL that much credit which has been proved many times, just think ch57 where Tatsumi wanted to use Susanoo's trump card (Jesus Christ). |
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G_Spark233 said: Darklight0303 said: Then by all means provide the true translation. Until then I'm going to continue calling bullshit on an author who has lost his pride as an author long ago Since I'm not a translator I can't really say for certain but my guess is wthat she said that she was going to break though the armour rather than capturing it. That would make a lot more sense. Junchi said: lol yea that was retarded. Just FYI I'm pretty sure that he was Tatsumi was comparing himself to Susanoo and his trump card with how both have limited uses. That would also make a lot more sense.I wouldn't give the Mangastream TL that much credit which has been proved many times, just think ch57 where Tatsumi wanted to use Susanoo's trump card (Jesus Christ). Capture and break through sound NOTHING alike in japanese. Even I know that much |
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