Do you think Hunter X Hunter could have been the most popular anime if it wasn't for the hiatuses?
Naruto has over 200 million sales to HxH's 65 million and 72 volumes to HxH's 32, I'm pretty sure Naruto has better sales on average per volume. When people say this and feel offended and call others condescending when they tell them something may be too complex for them.  |
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Agafin said: DoctorCaim said: Four volumes of Naruto sold more than two volumes of Hunter x Hunter. I'm still not seeing his point. Agafin said: Because it released twice as many volumes. In terms of sales per colume(the link I posted), they are more or less equalv Here's the problem though, Naruto's avg volume sales fluctuate a lot. There was a time when they sold at around 3-4 mil. I'm not sure about HxH at it's peak but it's hard to calculate hypothetically how equal they would be. Since the avg's aren't static and HxH often goes into hiatus before finishing a volume. So it hurts sales once it actually releases, since so much time passes. As it stands Naruto has still sold more world wide regardless, and in Japan it's still above HxH's avg even without taking the hiatuses into account. Anyways what Mikasa was originally saying is that HxH was the best selling manga in his original post. Which is factually untrue. Regardless of whether we are referring to World Wide, Japan sales or sales per volume. It's not even close to One Piece for example which has been number 1 for nearly a decade. |
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Feaor said: Naruto has over 200 million sales to HxH's 65 million and 72 volumes to HxH's 32, I'm pretty sure Naruto has better sales on average per volume. Are you using Wikipedia? You shouldn't. The sales they provided for Naruto are worldwide sales while for other manga (like Bleach and most likely Hunter), they provided sales in Japan only. Hardly any comparison can be made. If we keep it to Japan only then both HxH and Naruto have average sales per volume of 2 million. |
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Agafin said: Feaor said: Naruto has over 200 million sales to HxH's 65 million and 72 volumes to HxH's 32, I'm pretty sure Naruto has better sales on average per volume. Are you using Wikipedia? You shouldn't. The sales they provided for Naruto are worldwide sales while for other manga (like Bleach and most likely Hunter), they provided sales in Japan only. Hardly any comparison can be made. If we keep it to Japan only then both HxH and Naruto have average sales per volume of 2 million. This thread was about world wide sales to begin with. The stuff on wikipedia is outdated but still proves the point. |
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Fullmetal89 said: Lolno. That never happened.Agafin said: Here's the problem though, Naruto's avg volume sales fluctuate a lot. There was a time when they sold at around 3-4 mil. I'm not sure about HxH at it's peak but it's hard to calculate hypothetically how equal they would be. Since the avg's aren't static and HxH often goes into hiatus before finishing a volume. So it hurts sales once it actually releases, since so much time passes. As it stands Naruto has still sold more world wide regardless, and in Japan it's still above HxH's avg even without taking the hiatuses into account. Anyways what Mikasa was originally saying is that HxH was the best selling manga in his original post. Which is factually untrue. Regardless of whether we are referring to World Wide, Japan sales or sales per volume. It's not even close to One Piece for example which has been number 1 for nearly a decade. HxH was initially more popular than Naruto (most likely thanks to the hype from YYH) but it's popularity slowly decreased during the hiatus to Naruto's level. Yeah, Mikasa was wrong about that, you shouldn't take such baseless statements seriously |
Fullmetal89 said: Agafin said: Are you using Wikipedia? You shouldn't. The sales they provided for Naruto are worldwide sales while for other manga (like Bleach and most likely Hunter), they provided sales in Japan only. Hardly any comparison can be made. If we keep it to Japan only then both HxH and Naruto have average sales per volume of 2 million. This thread was about world wide sales to begin with. The stuff on wikipedia is outdated but still proves the point. Except this whole debate was to put into account everything other than world wide current sales, it seems your interpretation of the thread is completely off. It's point in the first place is to disregard the current numbers and assume that HxH had no hiatuses, and the effects and consequences of that. |
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Agafin said: Fullmetal89 said: Lolno. That never happened.Here's the problem though, Naruto's avg volume sales fluctuate a lot. There was a time when they sold at around 3-4 mil. I'm not sure about HxH at it's peak but it's hard to calculate hypothetically how equal they would be. Since the avg's aren't static and HxH often goes into hiatus before finishing a volume. So it hurts sales once it actually releases, since so much time passes. As it stands Naruto has still sold more world wide regardless, and in Japan it's still above HxH's avg even without taking the hiatuses into account. Anyways what Mikasa was originally saying is that HxH was the best selling manga in his original post. Which is factually untrue. Regardless of whether we are referring to World Wide, Japan sales or sales per volume. It's not even close to One Piece for example which has been number 1 for nearly a decade. HxH was initially more popular than Naruto (most likely thanks to the hype from YYH) but it's popularity slowly decreased during the hiatus to Naruto's level. Yeah, Mikasa was wrong about that, you shouldn't take such baseless statements seriously Actually yes it did happen sold 4.3 mil in 2008. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-02/2008-top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series Mind you that was only in Japan by the way. |
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Fullmetal89 said: Agafin said: Are you using Wikipedia? You shouldn't. The sales they provided for Naruto are worldwide sales while for other manga (like Bleach and most likely Hunter), they provided sales in Japan only. Hardly any comparison can be made. If we keep it to Japan only then both HxH and Naruto have average sales per volume of 2 million. This thread was about world wide sales to begin with. The stuff on wikipedia is outdated but still proves the point. I think you didn't get what I said. The sales for Naruto listed there are worldwide while for Bleach, Hunter and probably other manga are Japanese only. In other words, it's inconsistent. |
Fullmetal89 said: Oh, I though you were talking about sales per volume. My bad.Actually yes it did happen sold 4.3 mil in 2008. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-02/2008-top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series Mind you that was only in Japan by the way. |
Agafin said: Fullmetal89 said: Oh, I though you were talking about sales per volume. My bad.Actually yes it did happen sold 4.3 mil in 2008. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-02/2008-top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series Mind you that was only in Japan by the way. Actually I think we are both confused I thought the topic shifted to yearly sales when I started to read your post on Mikasa confusing the animenewsnetwork page on yearly sales to volume. Anyway yeah, you are right about the wikipedia stuff it's inconsistent I was checking the sources on the page. Those 2008 numbers place volume 43 at 1.1 million and according to wikipedia this was Naruto's biggest year. So if HxH averages 1.1 million per volume then it's more than possible that it would catch up and eventually overtake Naruto's sales. In Japan. |
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Fullmetal89 said: Agafin said: Oh, I though you were talking about sales per volume. My bad. Actually I think we are both confused I thought the topic shifted to yearly sales when I started to read your post on Mikasa confusing the animenewsnetwork page on yearly sales to volume. Anyway yeah, you are right about the wikipedia stuff it's inconsistent I was checking the sources on the page. Fullmetal89 said: Here's the problem though, Naruto's avg volume sales fluctuate a lot. There was a time when they sold at around 3-4 mil. Delete your quotes before trying to be dodgy... |
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Mikasa said: Fullmetal89 said: Actually I think we are both confused I thought the topic shifted to yearly sales when I started to read your post on Mikasa confusing the animenewsnetwork page on yearly sales to volume. Anyway yeah, you are right about the wikipedia stuff it's inconsistent I was checking the sources on the page. Fullmetal89 said: Here's the problem though, Naruto's avg volume sales fluctuate a lot. There was a time when they sold at around 3-4 mil. Delete your quotes before trying to be dodgy... I don't need to delete anything. I said I was mistaken. I find it funny you saying I'm being dodgy when you started off you post here saying: Mikasa said: Not sure about the anime, but the manga is currently relatively the best selling manga of all time as such, it'd have the more sales than any manga given the same number of volumes as well as momentum of continuous releases. Now you are backpedaling to competing with Naruto. |
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Fullmetal89 said: Mikasa said: Delete your quotes before trying to be dodgy... I don't need to delete anything. I said I was mistaken. I find it funny you saying I'm being dodgy when you started off you post here saying: Mikasa said: Not sure about the anime, but the manga is currently relatively the best selling manga of all time as such, it'd have the more sales than any manga given the same number of volumes as well as momentum of continuous releases. Now you are backpedaling to competing with Naruto. This is the core of this thread. There's no backpedaling. The thread has nothing to do with current overall statistics, but comparative advantages. You provided inaccurate figures, and failed to require equivalent ones in the same period of time. Here are the facts 1. Naruto's volume sales are the same as HxH, albeit less consistent (despite having consistent releases) 2. Therefore, all other things equal (removing the accumulative sales of past volumes), HxH would sell as much, if not more than Naruto. |
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Fullmetal89 said: Well HxH isn't achieving much worldwide if we're not getting statistics outside of Japan.Agafin said: Oh, I though you were talking about sales per volume. My bad. Actually I think we are both confused I thought the topic shifted to yearly sales when I started to read your post on Mikasa confusing the animenewsnetwork page on yearly sales to volume. Anyway yeah, you are right about the wikipedia stuff it's inconsistent I was checking the sources on the page. Those 2008 numbers place volume 43 at 1.1 million and according to wikipedia this was Naruto's biggest year. So if HxH averages 1.1 million per volume then it's more than possible that it would catch up and eventually overtake Naruto's sales. In Japan. And from this archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20140404160031/http://adnavi.shueisha.co.jp/mediaguide/2013/pdf/boys.pdf Along with the sales made in 2014, Naruto just about doubles HxH's sales in total |
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TheRefractingOne said: HxH's format and lack of dub would keep it from climbing much higher in popularity. What kid is going to want to read subtitles explaining the logistics of a fight when he/she could just watch Natsu scream "Oh you're gonna get it now!! Friendship!!!" and obliterate his opponent in Fairy Tail? HxH isnt actually suited for kids , just sayin ... FT and naruto on the other hand ... |
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Mikasa said: This is the core of this thread. There's no backpedaling. The thread has nothing to do with current overall statistics, but comparative advantages. You provided inaccurate figures, and failed to require equivalent ones in the same period of time. Here are the facts 1. Naruto's volume sales are the same as HxH, albeit less consistent (despite having consistent releases) 2. Therefore, all other things equal (removing the accumulative sales of past volumes), HxH would sell as much, if not more than Naruto. Poison414 said: Hunter X Hunter is actually very popular due to the 2011 Remake, but if the series wasn't plagued by hiatuses, do you think the series could have been as big as Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, One Piece or Sailor Moon? (I'm more so talking about the western world here) Considering the OP was talking about popularity in the West your entire argument goes out the window. HxH is pretty much nonexistent in the west outside of anime fandom. It doesn't sell anywhere near as good as Naruto in the west. If we are talking strictly about Japan and we are ignoring Togashi's personality and his hiatuses then it's more than possible that it would rival or overtake Naruto. But we aren't talking about Japanese sales, even if hypothetical ones. |
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DoctorCaim said: That's baseless. What about Bleach?Well HxH isn't achieving much worldwide if we're not getting statistics outside of Japan. |
WAD1992 said: Why not?TheRefractingOne said: HxH's format and lack of dub would keep it from climbing much higher in popularity. What kid is going to want to read subtitles explaining the logistics of a fight when he/she could just watch Natsu scream "Oh you're gonna get it now!! Friendship!!!" and obliterate his opponent in Fairy Tail? HxH isnt actually suited for kids , just sayin ... |
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DoctorCaim said: WAD1992 said: Why not?HxH isnt actually suited for kids , just sayin ... maybe because of all the gory violent disturbing death scenes ... |
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Fullmetal89 said: The US =/= The West. It sells about half as well as Naruto in France (the second greatest manga market after Japan) and it's latest volume released there was 9th best selling of 2013. It also sells really well in Germany if I'm not mistaken which is probably an even bigger market than the USutside of anime fandom. It doesn't sell anywhere near as good in the west. If we are talking strictly about Japan and we are ignoring Togashi's personality and his hiatuses then it's more than possible that it would rival or overtake Naruto. |
Fullmetal89 said: Mikasa said: This is the core of this thread. There's no backpedaling. The thread has nothing to do with current overall statistics, but comparative advantages. You provided inaccurate figures, and failed to require equivalent ones in the same period of time. Here are the facts 1. Naruto's volume sales are the same as HxH, albeit less consistent (despite having consistent releases) 2. Therefore, all other things equal (removing the accumulative sales of past volumes), HxH would sell as much, if not more than Naruto. Poison414 said: Hunter X Hunter is actually very popular due to the 2011 Remake, but if the series wasn't plagued by hiatuses, do you think the series could have been as big as Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, One Piece or Sailor Moon? (I'm more so talking about the western world here) Considering the OP was talking about popularity in the West your entire argument goes out the window. HxH is pretty much nonexistent in the west outside of anime fandom. It doesn't sell anywhere near as good as Naruto in the west. If we are talking strictly about Japan and we are ignoring Togashi's personality and his hiatuses then it's more than possible that it would rival or overtake Naruto. But we aren't talking about Japanese sales, even if hypothetical ones. West or east or both has nothing to do, how is that even a counter-argument? OP's question was, even if west-specific, about the sales and overall franchise exposure had it been to the release frequency of the manga in Japan, and subsequently world wide To which my answer, was, that numerically, stats show that it is more successful than Bleach and Naruto already (as opposed to your counter argument about manga volume numbers before you magically decided it has nothing to do with sales- the very ting we're discussing) |
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WAD1992 said: Naruto has violence. Bleach has violence. Fairy Tail has violence.DoctorCaim said: Why not? maybe because of all the gory violent disturbing death scenes ... |
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Agafin said: Companies/publishers/authors usually like to list their worldwide sales when a landmark in financials have been achieved.DoctorCaim said: That's baseless. What about Bleach?Well HxH isn't achieving much worldwide if we're not getting statistics outside of Japan. Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, are all under the same publisher. |
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DoctorCaim said: WAD1992 said: Naruto has violence. Bleach has violence. Fairy Tail has violence.maybe because of all the gory violent disturbing death scenes ... im guessing u haven't seen HxH have u ?? :| naruto/bleach/FT doesn't even have gore and NO they DONT have violence, your idea of violence is way of :| |
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WAD1992 said: I have seen it. People get decapitated in NarutoDoctorCaim said: Naruto has violence. Bleach has violence. Fairy Tail has violence. im guessing u haven't seen HxH have u ?? :| naruto/bleach/FT doesn't even have gore and NO they DONT have violence, your idea of violence is way of :| |
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DoctorCaim said: I have seen it. People get decapitated in Naruto[/quote]im starting to think you're trolling me :P in any case get me that scene with the decapitation, i sure as hell dont remember it :) |
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DoctorCaim said: Agafin said: Companies/publishers/authors usually like to list their worldwide sales when a landmark in financials have been achieved.That's baseless. What about Bleach? Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, are all under the same publisher. No you didn't get me. What I mean is that you assumed that since we don't know Hunter X Hunter's Worldwide sales, then it's not doing much. My question is that there are other manga like Bleach whose worldwide sales are unavailable. Are you also going to say that it's because it didn't sell much? |
WAD1992 said: DoctorCaim said: I have seen it. People get decapitated in Narutoim starting to think you're trolling me :P in any case get me that scene with the decapitation, i sure as hell dont remember it :)[/quote]There's also this in Bleach In Naruto |
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| Certainly. If you look at Hunter x Hunter's weekly jump rankings from the late 90s and early 2000s when Naruto was just starting up, Zombie Powder was a thing, and Stone Ocean was still running you'd see that it was always up there right alongside titles such as One Piece and Prince of Tennis. Of course every time it comes off hiatus nowadays you see it in the bottom five rankings, which isn't exactly a warm welcome from the Japanese. I mean to say it could have been the most or second most popular Manga, but the Anime hasn't had any hiatuses so I'm going to assume we're referring to the series in general. If we're going by sales per volume it's also close to the top and will probably eventually surpass titles such as Fist of the North Star and Rurouni Kenshin. |
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DoctorCaim said: There's also this in BleachWAD1992 said: I have seen it. People get decapitated in Naruto im starting to think you're trolling me :P in any case get me that scene with the decapitation, i sure as hell dont remember it :) [/quote] the naruto one if u dont mind :3 and seriously even with that bleach cant come close to the disturbing imagery of HxH. i dont mean that in a good way :P |
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WAD1992 said: DoctorCaim said: There's also this in Bleachim starting to think you're trolling me :P in any case get me that scene with the decapitation, i sure as hell dont remember it :) the naruto one if u dont mind :3 and seriously even with that bleach cant come close to the disturbing imagery of HxH. i dont mean that in a good way :P[/quote]Yeah well... Naruto has a swastika!  |
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Feaor said: Either way One Piece still crushes both Naruto and HxH in sales. Oh I missed this. This thread is about how popular it would have been if there weren't any hiatus. Well, when it started in the late 90s, early 2000s(as in when there were no hiatus), it was about as popular as One Piece, both of them having initial prints of ~900k. Also this: YorozuyaGinSan said: Certainly. If you look at Hunter x Hunter's weekly jump rankings from the late 90s and early 2000s when Naruto was just starting up, Zombie Powder was a thing, and Stone Ocean was still running you'd see that it was always up there right alongside titles such as One Piece and Prince of Tennis. Of course every time it comes off hiatus nowadays you see it in the bottom five rankings, which isn't exactly a warm welcome from the Japanese. I mean to say it could have been the most or second most popular Manga, but the Anime hasn't had any hiatuses so I'm going to assume we're referring to the series in general. If we're going by sales per volume it's also close to the top and will probably eventually surpass titles such as Fist of the North Star and Rurouni Kenshin. |
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WAD1992 said: DoctorCaim said: Naruto has violence. Bleach has violence. Fairy Tail has violence. Fairy Tail's anime is heavily censored, there is no blood or gore, just scratches. HxH also features many philosophical topics. |
WAD1992 said: If you're still thereim starting to think you're trolling me :P in any case get me that scene with the decapitation, i sure as hell dont remember it :) |
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