Do you think Hunter X Hunter could have been the most popular anime if it wasn't for the hiatuses?
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| No, it doesn't have the appeal or the dub. |
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| Anime generally isn't that popular in the western world so.. no. |
| No. Now let me ask a question. "Do you think HxH Hunter fans will stop the public dickriding?" |
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| Nah, too many people are turned off by the bunch of kids as main characters. Even I was... |
| 5 main aspects I base my ratings on: 1. Did DramaEnthusiast make a thread about it? 2. Is it better than Breaking Bad? 3. Did MellowJello recommend the shit out of it? 4. Has it caused a (very entertaining) shitstorm on MAL? 5. Is it actually good? Scratch the fifth point, it's not very relevant... |
| Hmm, probably no |
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| Hiatus x Hiatus is good as it is. |
DoctorCaim said: Cmon, the answer to that question is very clearly no."Do you think HxH Hunter fans will stop the public dickriding?" |
| Who cares about popular? The true test of popularity is once they're done airing anyway, see in 10, 15, 20, 25 years. DoctorCaim said: "Do you think HxH Hunter fans will stop the public dickriding?" |
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| Yes when a anime has a hiatus it makes it less appealing to me. For example snk won't have another season until next year so it makes everyone wait. |
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| HxH will be #1 on MAL in 1 or 2 years, so it will be the most popular. |
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| Not sure about the anime, but the manga is currently relatively the best selling manga of all time as such, it'd have the more sales than any manga given the same number of volumes as well as momentum of continuous releases. So as a result, perhaps the anime would have a far greater appeal too, world wide. But overall it's hindered by its complexity, the lack of which helped many series such as the Big 3, to be as popular as they are. |
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Mikasa said: Not sure about the anime, but the manga is currently relatively the best selling manga of all time as such, it'd have the more sales than any manga given the same number of volumes as well as momentum of continuous releases. So as a result, perhaps the anime would have a far greater appeal too, world wide. But overall it's hindered by its complexity, the lack of which helped many series such as the Big 3, to be as popular as they are. Relatively. Oh man this is some serious public dick riding. Mikasa said: Not sure about the anime, but the manga is currently relatively the best selling manga of all time as such, it'd have the more sales than any manga given the same number of volumes as well as momentum of continuous releases. So as a result, perhaps the anime would have a far greater appeal too, world wide. But overall it's hindered by its complexity, the lack of which helped many series such as the Big 3, to be as popular as they are. Yeah, luckily Steins Gate is really simple, so it locked up the #2 spot. |
| You quoted me twice. And this is simple statistics. As for Steins Gate, I didn't say complex shows don't get popular, but even the ones that do, would have half as much popularity as a dumbed down version of the same exposure. |
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| yes!!! duhhh, its already #3 WITH the hiatus, if togashi actually managed to finish the story in time, we might have gotten an EPIC anime series , not to mention it appeals to all ages (hence a massive fanbase) so yeah why wouldn't it be ??!! :P |
ZA_WAYDMar 8, 2015 9:35 AM
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Mikasa said: Not sure about the anime, but the manga is currently relatively the best selling manga of all time as such, it'd have the more sales than any manga given the same number of volumes as well as momentum of continuous releases. So as a result, perhaps the anime would have a far greater appeal too, world wide. But overall it's hindered by its complexity, the lack of which helped many series such as the Big 3, to be as popular as they are. Care to share your sources for that? Because I'm pretty damn sure that One Piece holds that position at 345 million. If HxH had continuous releases it would definitely be better known. I don't think it would reach the heights of One Piece or Dragon Ball, but it would be up there with Naruto and Bleach. Of course that will never happen because Togashi is a manic depressive who can't seem to maintain a regular schedule for more than 6 months. |
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Fullmetal89 said: Mikasa said: Not sure about the anime, but the manga is currently relatively the best selling manga of all time as such, it'd have the more sales than any manga given the same number of volumes as well as momentum of continuous releases. So as a result, perhaps the anime would have a far greater appeal too, world wide. But overall it's hindered by its complexity, the lack of which helped many series such as the Big 3, to be as popular as they are. Care to share your sources for that? Because I'm pretty damn sure that One Piece holds that position at 345 million. If HxH had continuous releases it would definitely be better known. I don't think it would reach the heights of One Piece or Dragon Ball, but it would be up there with Naruto and Bleach. Of course that will never happen because Togashi is a manic depressive who can't seem to maintain a regular schedule for more than 6 months. Except it's already up there with naruto and double Bleach's. In this case only the first condition (number of volumes) is needed to outsell them. |
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Mikasa said: Fullmetal89 said: Care to share your sources for that? Because I'm pretty damn sure that One Piece holds that position at 345 million. If HxH had continuous releases it would definitely be better known. I don't think it would reach the heights of One Piece or Dragon Ball, but it would be up there with Naruto and Bleach. Of course that will never happen because Togashi is a manic depressive who can't seem to maintain a regular schedule for more than 6 months. Except it's already up there with naruto and double Bleach's. In this case only the first condition (number of volumes) is needed to outsell them. In terms of world wide sales Naruto sits at 205 mil, Bleach at 82 mil and HxH at 65 mil. So again, where are you getting your 'simple statistics'? your ass does not count |
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| Highly doubt it. Despite all its merits, especially in most of the fights and some of the characters, the series has some serious attention span issues. Most of the time it feels as if every arc was being written on the spot, and there's never a really serious overarching goal, aim or structure to the whole thing... I personally don't think that even the crowd that made the Big 3 so popular could seriously get into it to the point of making it #1 but, then again, the Big 3 suck anyway, and the HxH comic is already insanely popular as it is, so what do I know? |
PantsManMar 8, 2015 9:44 AM
| Who cares if it would be more popular, it's already better then them and that's all that matters. |
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geralt said: Nah, too many people are turned off by the bunch of kids as main characters. Even I was... And what's the issue exactly with a younger cast? The series' maturity expands far further than two of the main characters' physical appearance. |
Fullmetal89 said: Mikasa said: Except it's already up there with naruto and double Bleach's. In this case only the first condition (number of volumes) is needed to outsell them. In terms of world wide sales Naruto sits at 205 mil, Bleach at 82 mil and HxH at 65 mil. So again, where are you getting your 'simple statistics'? your ass does not count Volume sales average 1.1M each, and not to forget the accumulation sales for Naruto (people buying older volumes to catch up, as well as the sales after it ends) add to these numbers. |
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PantsMan said: Highly doubt it. Despite all its merits, especially in most of the fights, the series has some serious attention span issues. Most of the time it feels as if every arc was being written on the spot, and there's never a really serious overarching goal, aim or structure to the whole thing... I disagree with this. I think Togashi does plan out the arcs well before writing them. I think he always intended for the Chimera Ant arc to end how it did. You could argue that the main character doesn't have a concrete goal like many other Shonen protagonists. I mean at the start of the series Gon wanted to find his dad and now it's a bit more complicated. It's not as clear cut as "I want to become Hokage, believe it!" or "I'll become the Pirate King." Mikasa said: Fullmetal89 said: In terms of world wide sales Naruto sits at 205 mil, Bleach at 82 mil and HxH at 65 mil. So again, where are you getting your 'simple statistics'? your ass does not count Volume sales average 1.1M each, and not to forget the accumulation sales for Naruto (people buying older volumes to catch up, as well as the sales after it ends) add to these numbers. Going with your math there. HxH averages about 1.1 mil copies sold per volume. If we give HxH the number of volumes One Piece has 76 (the wiki page is outdated) multiply that with what HxH avg 1.1m per volume you get 83.6 mil copies sold. That's still way bellow the top manga. One Piece avgs around 4-5 mil per volume and Naruto is something like 2-3 mil. Mind you these are world wide estimates. HxH would still be around the same number of vol sold as Bleach. It's just not that popular world wide. I don't think that's a problem with the manga's quality but marketing. It also appeals to an older demographic which outside of Japan doesn't really care for anime or cartoons. If the original HxH anime had been released in Toonami back in the early 00s when anime was exploding in the west. It might have seen better recognition and sales at least in the U.S. |
FullmetalRaikouMar 8, 2015 9:57 AM
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| I think if it ever got dubbed by the likes of funamation and they made it a bit more for kids/teens (censors/ change some stuff) it could possibly be as big as Pokemon was. Of course that's just my opinion. |
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Mikasa said: There are accumulation sales for HxH as well so I'm not seeing how this has anything to do with supporting your previous statements.Fullmetal89 said: In terms of world wide sales Naruto sits at 205 mil, Bleach at 82 mil and HxH at 65 mil. So again, where are you getting your 'simple statistics'? your ass does not count Volume sales average 1.1M each, and not to forget the accumulation sales for Naruto (people buying older volumes to catch up, as well as the sales after it ends) add to these numbers. |
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DoctorCaim said: Mikasa said: There are accumulation sales for HxH as well so I'm not seeing how this has anything to do with supporting your previous statements.Volume sales average 1.1M each, and not to forget the accumulation sales for Naruto (people buying older volumes to catch up, as well as the sales after it ends) add to these numbers. Not as much as a series with 72 volumes, a 2-year head-start of sales (last time HxH sales had an official update), and more importantly a series that had ended How much did Naruto sell overall back in 2013? As in total sales? |
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Fullmetal89 said: I disagree with this. I think Togashi does plan out the arcs well before writing them. I think he always intended for the Chimera Ant arc to end how it did. Oh no, don't get me wrong; the arcs in themselves tend to be rather solid (with the exception of the New York Shin one, which was honestly all over the place... F**k the New York Shin arc.) However, the series in itself is just naturally extremely jittery. It's as if Togashi has an idea but then, mid-way in between an arc, he has a new inspiration, which he almost immediately phones in. "Oh, Jojo was pretty cool. Let's have stands now! Oh, haggling is awesome! Let's have some of that, too! Dodgeball? Shit, I could make something cool with that! Dodgeball it is, then!" By lack of structure, I also mean that the succession of the arcs doesn't really flow well together. It's more of a series of loosely-tied scenarios and cool ideas the author had loosely strung together. HxH is like an excellently done "scrapbook series". The individual content in itself is great, and there's enough rules and settings that could fuel five different series as it is, but it lacks polish and self-control from an overall point of view, which I think is what holds it back the most. After the hiatuses, obviously. |
PantsMan said: Fullmetal89 said: I disagree with this. I think Togashi does plan out the arcs well before writing them. I think he always intended for the Chimera Ant arc to end how it did. Oh no, don't get me wrong; the arcs in themselves tend to be rather solid (with the exception of the New York Shin one, which was honestly all over the place... F**k the New York Shin arc.) However, the series in itself is just naturally extremely jittery. It's as if Togashi has an idea but then, mid-way in between an arc, he has a new inspiration, which he almost immediately phones in. "Oh, Jojo was pretty cool. Let's have stands now! Oh, haggling is awesome! Let's have some of that, too! Dodgeball? Shit, I could make something cool with that! Dodgeball it is, then!" By lack of structure, I also mean that the succession of the arcs doesn't really flow well together. It's more of a series of loosely-tied scenarios and cool ideas the author had loosely strung together. HxH is like an excellently done scrapbook series. The individual content in itself is great, and there's enough rules and settings that could fuel five different series as it is, but it lacks polish and self-control from an overall point of view, which I think is what holds it back the most. After the hiatuses, obviously. I get what you are saying with the scrapbook analogy, I guess that does make sense. I think Togashi wanted to experiment with a lot of different things each arc feels different from the other. I still think that once the arc begins, it has a goal from start to finish. There does seem to be some disjointed theme changes throughout the series though. Like the transition between York New (which is my favorite actually lol) and Greed Island. I feel like Greed Island could have been it's own series separate from the HxH universe. |
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Mikasa said: Naruto sold 5.5 million and ranked 5th. Hunter x Hunter placed 8th.DoctorCaim said: There are accumulation sales for HxH as well so I'm not seeing how this has anything to do with supporting your previous statements. Not as much as a series with 72 volumes, a 2-year head-start of sales (last time HxH sales had an official update), and more importantly a series that had ended How much did Naruto sell overall back in 2013? As in total sales? In 2012, HxH ranked 8th. In 2011, HxH ranked 13th. In 2010, HxH ranekd 19th. Also Naruto didn't end in 2013 so I'm not seeing support for that statement either. Nor is it supporting your aforementioned statements too. It's not "up" there imo. |
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| ... Do you not understand the words "total sales" and "overall"? I meant the overall sales since the beginning till 2013. Your numbers show that there were 5-6 volumes of Naruto released vs 0,1 or 2 for HxH |
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Mikasa said: And? What are you even trying to prove? You're throwing random statistics and pseudo facts for what purpose? Wrong statistics while I'm at it.... Do you not understand the words "total sales" and "overall"? I meant the overall sales since the beginning till 2013. Your numbers show that there were 5-6 volumes of Naruto released vs 0,1 or 2 for HxH |
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| Stop dodging my question -.- And how are those fake? Naruto releases 5-6 volumes a year compared to HxH's 1, 2 or none |
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| In Japan? The manga is more popular than Bleach's and around as popular as Naruto. The anime is less popular than both. Without hiatuses, I could see it be more popular. Worldwide? No, it doesn't have enough appeal. It would be more popular if it got a dub but that's about it. The only anime that I could call mainstream on a worlwide scale are Death Note, Code Geass, SAO, Dragonball/Z, Naruto, SNK, Pokemon, FMA03, Digimon, Sailormoon and NGE(if I'm not forgetting anything) |
| I'm not dodging your question. I'm asking, what's the purpose of the question? Naruto sold more than Hunter x Hunter and that's fact. What does number of volumes have to do with it selling less? Who fucking cares? Naruto sold more than Hunter x Hunter and that's an objective statement. Black Jack sold 176 million with 17 volumes in a 10 year period. |
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DoctorCaim said: I'm not dodging your question. I'm asking, what's the purpose of the question? Naruto is sold more than Hunter x Hunter and that's fact. What does number of volumes have to do with it selling less? Who fucking cares? Naruto sold more than Hunter x Hunter and that's an objective statement. -Naruto sold more than HxH -Refuses to give out the specific number I asked for, which I explained above what it represents. lol. |
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Mikasa said: No, that's because I don't have to. You're making the claim of HxH selling just as well as Naruto so you have the burden of proof in giving those statistics. I don't have to.DoctorCaim said: I'm not dodging your question. I'm asking, what's the purpose of the question? Naruto is sold more than Hunter x Hunter and that's fact. What does number of volumes have to do with it selling less? Who fucking cares? Naruto sold more than Hunter x Hunter and that's an objective statement. -Naruto sold more than HxH -Refuses to give out the specific number I asked for, which I explained above what it represents. lol. |
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| Actually you're making that claim that it sold more even with regards to the conditions I laid above, so you need to provide that specific figure. |
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| Also what the fuck number are you even looking for? In total number of sales Naruto has more than triple the number of sales that HxH has with 205m to HxH's 65m, also if you want to look at per volume sales SnK has a higher sales to volume ratio with 45m sales and 15 volumes. |
DoctorCaim said: No, that's because I don't have to. You're making the claim of HxH selling just as well as Naruto so you have the burden of proof in giving those statistics. I don't have to. I think this is what he is referring to. |
| http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-12-01/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series/2013 Naruto sold more than Hunter x Hunter |
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| Because it released twice as many volumes. In terms of sales per colume(the link I posted), they are more or less equalv |
| Four volumes of Naruto sold more than two volumes of Hunter x Hunter. I'm still not seeing his point. |
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DoctorCaim said: Four volumes of Naruto sold more than two volumes of Hunter x Hunter. I'm still not seeing his point. Agafin said: Because it released twice as many volumes. In terms of sales per colume(the link I posted), they are more or less equalv |
| Holy shit. Mikasa said: ... Do you not understand the words "total sales" and "overall"? I meant the overall sales since the beginning till 2013. Your numbers show that there were 5-6 volumes of Naruto released vs 0,1 or 2 for HxH |
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| Most likely not. It doesn't have the appeal to do so either way, and then there's the slow start coupled with the controversial aspects of the show. |
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| Naruto has over 200 million sales to HxH's 65 million and 72 volumes to HxH's 32, I'm pretty sure Naruto has better sales on average per volume. |
| So that proves Hunter x Hunter is doing financially better than Naruto? lol. Naruto still sold more than Hunter x Hunter. |
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