UROBUCHI SPEAKS OUT ABOUT EPISODE 12!!!

orithyea said:
He was already receiving crap when the anime was a tad past its half lol. I kind of find it funny how the blame immediately shifted to Ubukata after the panel.

To be fair, Urobuchi is called as the Shinigami Writer (死神ライター) in Japan, so some of the people weren't really shocked at their 'deaths' whilst not knowing that it wasn't him who wrote it.

chickenonthepan said:
What he said in that interview doesn't mean he didn't include Inaho. You don't understand his point...

Just "his Inaho" and "real Inaho" have different characteristics.

In this tweet, he just call "the protagonist on the Earth side" Inaho, that's all.

You can understand his point as: "I finished the first part with "the protagonist on the Earth side" and "the princess of Mars" falling in love, then "the protagonist on the Mars side" take the princess away".

He used these names because it is easier to relate to...

deadoptimist said:


Ah. Then it is simply highly irrelevant, because charcterisation and plot progression should go hand in hand. I mean, even in fanfiction people try to make these two things work together.

What did happen though is more or less the same only with additional killing. And I like the additional killing. I wouldn't like to see a kitchen-type drama, when one guy drags a girl from another guy.

Keten said:
Whether he wrote the ending or not, it's still silly for him to think we'd care about their relationship. I was actually laughing when Inaho was remembering the scenes he had together with her, like, all 5 of them and NONE were even remotely romantic in the least. They made that legit CPR scene into a romantic kiss in his head. It was really awkward. None of the characters had any chemistry with one another.

TheIMF said:
Inaho x Asseylum is whack.

chickenonthepan said:
You forgot how bad the characterization A/Z has? Make sense now? :P

And that's why the new writer add "shocking" plot like this to make it more "appealing".

deadoptimist said:

And the seagulls dancing scene... I was cringing so hard. It always pops up inappropriately in the middle of some bloody catastrophy.
I think Slaine has all the chemistry he needs. >< He is yandere, so one-sided chemistry is fine by him.
On more serious note, there're some pairings I really like. I'd like marito to end up with a girl. Inko x Inaho looked fine too - they work together nicely in a battle.

laldonkaments said:
So this basically confirms that both are alive? Oh c'mon, that disappoints me no end...

Keten said:
No focus on the characters ruins any and all romance possibilities.

Keten said:
So when he remembered the seagull scene... Was his blank stare at her supposed to signify that he liked her?

Keten said:


So when he remembered the seagull scene... Was his blank stare at her supposed to signify that he liked her?

Inaho is the Keanu Reeves of anime. Lmao

Nah... They didn't have enough scenes together for me to buy a romance even between the ones that did have some sense of chemistry... No focus on the characters ruins any and all romance possibilities.

Oiacz said:
Inaho x Asseylum is as nonsense as the main character dead. They dont match together. Their interaction isnt even in a "friend level."
And the situation doesnt ask for a romance by an author who doesnt know how to write romance.
It would be the same forced thing like Nasu's Shirou x Saber in Fate route.

Keten said:
Hmm... So Urobuchi did technically write the basic scenarios for everything? Twists and such... So he wrote the whole convenient arm hitting entrance to dock thing? Also the whole, Inaho not picking up Slaine after shooting him down just for the sake of making the plot go on longer?

How much exactly did he outline... I know he wrote the first 3 episodes but he apparently did do the outline for the rest of it, were those his fault?

Either way, characterization was never his strong point anyway... If he was in charge of characters, they might not be as bad as they were but they would not be much better in all honesty... Plus, the episodes he did write weren't good either, they were just as bad as the rest of it in my eyes.

Whether he wrote the ending or not, it's still silly for him to think we'd care about their relationship. I was actually laughing when Inaho was remembering the scenes he had together with her, like, all 5 of them and NONE were even remotely romantic in the least. They made that legit CPR scene into a romantic kiss in his head. It was really awkward. None of the characters had any chemistry with one another.

Also, confirmed by his words that this was supposed to be a NTR mecha series. *facepalm*

Keten said:


I agree. Personally, I think Urobuchi realized this was a bad show but he put his name on it anyway to get glory from it but he kept himself just vaguely enough involved that he could back out at any time if the viewers realized how bad it was and blame it on the new guy.

Kaioshin_Sama said:


I had been saying since day one that I figured the producers just had nothing special planned but wanted to see if they could make some easy money (One of the Aniplex producers even had a quote that was something like, "I feel that when aiming to make an original popular hit anime the best genres to start are magical girl and robot anime") so they just paid every hot topic otaku name in the industry to contribute something to the show regardless of whether they were really a good fit for the show and had any particular great ideas and I'm sticking to it even now. It just struck me as so blatant and was a warning sign to check my expectations. This show was always just a big budget cash grab with little else on the producers minds.

Kaioshin_Sama said:


I had been saying since day one that I figured the producers just had nothing special planned but wanted to see if they could make some easy money (One of the Aniplex producers even had a quote that was something like, "I feel that when aiming to make an original popular hit anime the best genres to start are magical girl and robot anime") so they just paid every hot topic otaku name in the industry to contribute something to the show regardless of whether they were really a good fit for the show and had any particular great ideas and I'm sticking to it even now. It just struck me as so blatant and was a warning sign to check my expectations. This show was always just a big budget cash grab with little else on the producers minds.

orchidork said:
i haven't read through episode 12's discussion thread. however, i don't understand why people are raging with inaho and asseylum's death since most people don't care about them as characters. is it because out of the 3 of the mcs, the worst character (slaine) is still alive? if this is the case, there's no need to worry since in his tweets, urobutcher implied that inaho and asseylum are still alive.

it's hard to believe that inaho and asseylum were supposed to end up as a couple before slaine ntred them. they literally had no romantic scenes together which made inaho's "romantic scene" flashbacks about asseylum out of place and awkward to get through. you have this unemotional guy have these skewed romantic flashbacks that aren't romantic at all in reality and you don't feel much sympathy for him because up to this point, you couldn't relate to him at all. then again, maybe urobutcher's original plan might have worked if inaho didn't have the emotional range of a stick.

i see next season as a more in depth view of yandere slaine's unrequited love story/ love triangle featuring mechs and more dysfunction between mars and earth. i don't expect much from this upcoming season since it seems that a lot of thought hasn't gone into it like many people thought it would have from the creators

FIREF0X said:


Why must you torture me so?

Lol jks, I thought so. The new writer is using the cheapest tricks in the bag to keep this series going resulting in the mess that this anime is.

Honestly the ending was the only decent thing among the rest of the mediocrity. It would of been better if they stuck to it rather than use a cheesy cliffhanger to bait people to watch the second season in which the supposedly dead characters conveniently come out alive.

chickenonthepan said:


Agree with you on this.

That's why I'm trying to tell people this ending is only for the sake of creating shocking scenes to keep people talking about the show.

People are talking these "deaths" too seriously, and unavoidably fallen into their trap.

Just wait and see this turn out to be an asspull.

However, as a student learning marketing, I have to admire the way A1 doing business with A/Z. They are insanely successful. They know exactly what they are doing.

chickenonthepan said:
"If you're ahead [of Psycho Pass], it is not my fault if someone also dies in Psycho Pass 2! It is Ubukata-san's."[/b]

parfaited said:
Gah worst pairing!



excuse me?

fst said:
He's not writing Psycho Pass 2.

Nor is IG animating it, apparently, which is weird because they were the ones who announced it...

parfaited said:

Yeah I know he's not but all the new things i've seen about PP2 are looking really shady.

orchidork said:
i haven't read through episode 12's discussion thread. however, i don't understand why people are raging with inaho and asseylum's death since most people don't care about them as characters. is it because out of the 3 of the mcs, the worst character (slaine) is still alive? if this is the case, there's no need to worry since in his tweets, urobutcher implied that inaho and asseylum are still alive.

scytheavatar said:


People are furious because they know chances are high that Inaho and Asseylum are not dead. Which means Asseylum has already "died" 3 times and might be dying a few times next season.

orithyea said:
Just to make it clearer, this roughly says: "If you're ahead [of Psycho Pass], it is not my fault if someone also dies in Psycho Pass 2! It is Ubukata-san's."

chickenonthepan said:
@Kaioshin_Sama: Your post is very educating. I appreciate it. :))



Sadly, that's not it.

The people you say are really small potion who actually can see though this cheap trick.

The majority are blaming a certain character whose action makes no sense. But that's the trap the writer created. People are too focus into: "no, 2 times already, this time it must be real", but don't ask themselves: "could it be that they play this trick again?".

The debates are amusing though. One aspect I likes about anime forums. In fact, I'm really into it sometimes. But this time, to me, it's too obvious to debate about. :))

Kaioshin_Sama said:


Pretty much it's a pointless discussion that distracts from the shows far greater problems like it's borderline complete lack of character development and giving one a reason to actually care or be invested in the conflict that is playing out bloody, chaotic and melodramatic as it may be. There's also very little in the way of back story and what little there is really doesn't weigh all that much into what is happening the long run. Nothing about this show really fits together in it's first cour in a way that feels quite right and honestly if this show had aired a decade ago when the fandom wasn't quite so well.....I really can't say anything nicer than just plain dumb....I just can't see how it could possibly have made much of an impact. Heck I couldn't even see it doing so if it aired in Fall with more competition in the Action/Mecha department and I think it was a really smart decision planning wise at least to have it just skip over that season into Winter, though by the time it's back on air and some of the 2 cour series in Fall are overlapping into Winter it'll be curious to see how it can hold up.

I don't know I just want people to be honest, like do you really care who lives or dies in this anime and if you do have someone you do why and what lasting and meaningful impact do you think it would make on you as a viewer or on the story and the rest of the cast if you did based on where the show is right now in it's narrative? This isn't a trick or challenge to a fight or something, I'm just genuinely curious to here what people have to say on this topic and if they can understand it.

AntonyRedgrave said:


Well I liked Inaho since i like composed, cool headed MCs even though not alot of them out there. And it was at least different from what we normally get from a mecha where the mc gets the op mecha and still gets his ass kicked (and at the end wins). Honestly the ending they went for with A/Z doesn't really fit at it's place and I wouldn't be suprised if the rating will drop with the 2nd season.

Kaioshin_Sama said:


Why do people consistently think this and come out with this argument. I really truly think people need to actually watch more of the genre and they'll see that it's really just a bad generalization that they're basing Inaho being a "different" character. Sorry but it's just kind of maddening to me as a long time fan of the genre cause this idiot MC in an OP mecha thing is just not as common as everyone thinks it is and usually when it is it's because it serves some purpose for allowing character development while Inaho doesn't get any because he's seemingly already at the end of it and is apparently determined to be the perfect hero according to the shows logic and outlook.

Well in any case why is it you like cool composed MC's and what makes Inaho stand out to you within that category if anything? Is there anything else in particular you like about him or is that pretty much it for now?

zerriet said:


Because its much more entertaining than see a character do nothing but cry, even though it is suppose to be objectively great. Seeing that you rate every gundam series to be 7-10 out of 10, I can kind of relate to it. But the problem is not everyone likes a character to be whiny brat for the first half of every series and which is why this guy and I occasionally enjoy protagonists that are cool headed and confident like for example, Sora in No Game No Life. Granted that these characters will not be liked by everyone, but they are fun in their own and individual way.

As for this series with respect to the mecha/war genre as a whole it is just somewhere above average but its not that great since that will ultimately depend on what they do in the second cour. I am still turned off by gundam age so i am happy with what i got here. Nevertheless, people are free to like and not like what they want so long as they do not make themselves look like immature dicks. I am actually glad that you commented here in a respective manner since you were infamous among the forums previously and honestly really annoyed a lot of other users ( myself included), so thank you for doing that :)

Kaioshin_Sama said:


Okay but again how does that make him a particularly good and memorable character. People continue to spend all this time on what he's not instead of what he is and what makes him particularly interesting. Could it be that there's nothing really to describe about his character beyond the things people just keep saying over and over with regard to what he does and what he doesn't when it comes to fighting?

Also I think you should watch more Gundam instead of just perpuating a stereotype because you'll find what people seem to hold to be absolute truth about the genre as just entirely full of crybaby characters in OP mech is not at all true. Most Gundam shows aren't that simplistic either that that's all they'd give one to talk about character wise. I guess just either people haven't actually sat down and watched more than Seed or possibly any Gundam at all because other than those options I really cannot figure out where they're getting this idea of what most Gundam series are like from yet they insist on stating it over and over again in threads despite having absolutely no idea what they are talking about clearly. And they're going to keep on doing it and I'm going to keep on telling them that it's pretty much BS.

Realistically though I think so much could be solved if more people would actually sit down and try a Gundam series out some day. I don't know why people are so clearly averse to it yet seem to have so much to say yet not say about the franchise at the same time.

fst said:


The whole damned season is looking pretty shady. I mean, PP2 changed writers and studio, LH2 changed studios to DEEN, PA works is making a show that doesn't appear to be set in really scenic countryside, thus basically guaranteeing it to be shit since it's literally all they're good for, Amagi Brilliant Park supposedly doesn't have the blessings of the original reator due to disagreements with the director or something like that, etc.

Darklight0303 said:


Could you stop doing your underhanded propaganda with your every single post? The more I hear you talk about how awesome and more complex gundam is the less I like it. Your constant hammering of the same message ad infinitum is annoying to high hell.

Kaioshin_Sama said:

Okay but again how does that make him a particularly good and memorable character. People continue to spend all this time on what he's not instead of what he is and what makes him particularly interesting. Could it be that there's nothing really to describe about his character beyond the things people just keep saying over and over with regard to what he does and what he doesn't when it comes to fighting?

Also I think you should watch more Gundam instead of just perpuating a stereotype because you'll find what people seem to hold to be absolute truth about the genre as just entirely full of crybaby characters in OP mech is not at all true. Most Gundam shows aren't that simplistic either that that's all they'd give one to talk about character wise. I guess just either people haven't actually sat down and watched more than Seed or possibly any Gundam at all because other than those options I really cannot figure out where they're getting this idea of what most Gundam series are like from yet they insist on stating it over and over again in threads despite having absolutely no idea what they are talking about clearly. And they're going to keep on doing it and I'm going to keep on telling them that it's pretty much BS.

Realistically though I think so much could be solved if more people would actually sit down and try a Gundam series out some day. I don't know why people are so clearly averse to it yet seem to have so much to say yet not say about the franchise at the same time.

Keten said:


In terms of Inaho, while I can respect that people want a different type of protagonist... That does not make Inaho a good character at all. He is boring... IMMENSELY boring... There is nothing to him.

As you said, people focus on what he's not instead of what he is. Why do they do that? Because there isn't anything else to talk about in terms of his character. He is as 1-dimensional as it gets. On top of that, the show has such poor character focus and fleshing out that he's barely a character to begin with...

I get that what people like about him is the whole, "He skips the bullshit and gets things done." Yes, okay, that can make things go faster but that doesn't have any depth to it. The "bullshit" is personality and fleshing out, thus, if you skip the bullshit, there is nothing left. If we can't get to know his likes, dislikes, goals, motivations and the layers of such, then he has next to no personality portrayed at all. Development is impossible if he has next to no personality, on top of that, he doesn't even have a backstory yet. Maybe he did survive the shot, maybe he will be alive in season 2, but guess what, they already announced that it will focus mostly on Slaine in the next season. So does that mean Inaho will get his personality and backdrop only AFTER he stops being the main focus? That is stupid as hell writing. Why bother focusing on a character who only "does things", you might as well just follow a robot.

Emotionless/Heavily Stoic characters are fine... but they gave Inaho absolutely nothing to work with. He had no mentality besides, "Get shit done" and no personality besides "Get shit done". That's his entire character and it's boring.

An example of a good stoic main character would be Ping Pong's 'Smile', he is a very stoic person however he isn't the only focused MC, they give attention to the fact that he is robotic, they give reason for it and they develop it and even make it symbolic. Even then the character from Ping Pong still had more personality to him because he still had emotions and outbursts, he just had more difficulty expressing them and they wrote it very well.

SweetCoconut said:
Well, at least Urobutcher said himself that Inaho and Asseylum couple is canon but get shipwrecked by Slaine. I don't blame him.

AntonyRedgrave said:


It would have been canon if he was the one doing the ending, but it wasn't him.

SweetCoconut said:

Who was it again?