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Mar 23, 2013 12:28 PM

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One word, BRILLIANT !
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Mar 23, 2013 1:07 PM

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I still don't trust Sibyl creepy laugh what are all those other brains from??
Mar 23, 2013 2:04 PM

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i hope there's a second season, but please don't add "moe" in the next season, it will RUIN the whole story!! the new inspector should've been a boy so there would be more conflicts, cuz now if there is a second season it's just ganna be two chicks running the section 1; not that i mind akane.. just not the new girl.
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Mar 23, 2013 2:07 PM

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SaraSlurpsCoffee said:
I wasn't sure whether it was good or not that the series came to the ending that was seemingly inevitable. A bit more surprise would have been good, but then this feels like it was meant to happen.

And Ginoza, WUT? "Doesn't like the way his face looks"? He's like, the series bishe! What a silly billy.
iirc at one point he said wearing glasses helps prevent his psycho pass from rising, but yeah he is beautiful, being Gino is no longer suffering
Mar 23, 2013 2:10 PM

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2nd season NOW!!!
Mar 23, 2013 2:22 PM

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I don't regret registering here just to discuss about this.
It was a pleasure to read all the discussion and interesting opinios from all of you during this past months

Hopefully I'll read you soon, PP was awesome

P.S. I'm not a girl

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Four people walked out from the truck but only Yahoi and Gino are their
----mistake ???


They are there, at least one is next to Gino

They could be enforcers from the other division or new recluted ones as we saw with Yayoi in episode 12
Mar 23, 2013 2:25 PM

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ainky said:
2nd season NOW!!!
I'd love this, while the ending was satisfying, I think it set up the possibility for an amazing second season, Kogami gone rogue, Akane is a badass, new Akane joins the squad, 2 more enforcers, perhaps the people could be ready to learn the truth about the sybil system after a timeskip.
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I mean: SHE herself abides by the system, and she accepts it, and puts up with it. So what is she saying: that she's more stupid than the masses around her? That the hoi palloi will rise and disobey or destroy the Sybil system, when she doesn't? Makes little sense. She is, in effect, contradicting herself her own stance.
Well, that contradiction is the human thing, and it is clearly what the Sybil system tries to take advantage by keeping her around and provoking this contradictory behavior from her. She basically speaks for everyone, and of course the author, that emotionally she is disgusted about the system with its self-important and amorally analytical tone, but practically she has to live with it. Perhaps she realizes it is nonsense she spoke but she still had to speak it out. Futile and trivial struggle it may seem, but perhaps it is the defiance and hope that counts, but of course Sybil system seems to be taking even that as something that it can exploit as well - which is why it decided to tell all the unpalatable reasons why Akane is still useful to it and what it wants from her for its own grander design.


Well, I guess she has the rioght to be a bit emotional, there, and not to make much sense. ;-)

But still, somehow, at some point, she must realises what she told there is stupid. You either think the system deserves to continue, or you don't. Feeling repulsed or not, she clearly made the - rational - decision the sybil system was needed. Does she think her own decision is wrong? Because otherwise, saying that the 'people' won't 'stand' for it, while she does, simply does not compute. Is it a wish, she expresses here? Then why not act (or having acted) on that wish herself? Because she was too rational, and saw the necessity of the Sybil system? Than why reacting as if the populace will act differently, and that this will be right (at least, seen her outburst, this was implied; she wants the people to react against it, even if she doesn't). Because, if she didn't want that, there is no reason to react that way in the first place.

I don't get it, except she lost it for a moment there. which is understandable at that point, but still. In the end, if she acts that way, I feel the Sybil system is right; they just study her enough, and eventually they'll find a way to brainwash the populace a bit more. It's like she's pleading for the masses to be less pragmatical-rational than she is, but she's showing that the dependence of the system is enough to accept/tolerate the system. So the only thing for the system to do, is to make humans even more depended on them, and to educate people into little Akane's, who put 'order' above freedom. For fuck sake, Akane, you should have just thrown some grenades in there, instead of making an empty threat that the people will stop the system - while she didn't or doesn't. She's actually helping the system overcome the wish she expressed; doesn't she see that?


Anyway. Sigh. Two of my most favourite anime have ended: psycho-pass and Shinsekai yori. What am I to do now? :-(



That said, Akane's definition of law was pretty weird. Law exists to protect society from dangerous elements. Take possession of CP, for example. If you take a picture of yourself as a minor (in an explicit way) and keep it, it is, infact, illegal. Even though it was a "crime with no victim". This is because the item you possess is considered as a threat to society. Her way of putting it is also very close to the famous villain ball "the country doesn't exist for the sake of the people, the people exist for the sake of the country".


Is that a crime in those circumstances? Hmm...doesn't make much sense: I always thought it was forbidden because it's about the abuse...but you can't really abuse yourself, can you? How could a picture of yourself be a threat to society anyway? Seems rather absurd. No, I think it's rather superposition of a moral code on others, that is in play there. I don't think that is right, if it's a victimless crime, though. Imposing ones' morals without there being a real necessity for it, is just wrong. Mind you; I doubt most CP falls in the category of the context you just described, and aren't 'victimless'. But for those that are, it seems quite absurd.

In fact, I remember in my country some time ago, that a judge cleared two minors who had (voluntary) sex with eachother of any wrong doing, let them go without any penalty or whatever, and said it was normal for 14y olds to explore and engage in that sort of activities. I think he has a point. But it wouldn't make sense *at all* if the same teenagers who had legally sex, took a picture of themselves, and then it would become *illegal*. I mean: who has ever heard of a picture of something legal being illegal? It doesn't make sense to say an activity is legal, but taking a picture of that legal activity is illegal. I don't think any country would have such absurd laws.

Well...maybe the US.

As for Akanes' words at the end: it was a bit of a tautology, indeed. But then again, what she said before and after didn't make much sense neither. I guess we should keep it at the possibility she had a little emotional breakdown, and couldn't think straight anymore.
Mar 23, 2013 4:14 PM

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It went from a thriller to a bit of a disappointment.
The fact I ended up paying more attention to eating/drinking/singing/dancing was a bad sign.
Mar 23, 2013 4:55 PM

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A possible reason why Akane didn't destroy Sybil System even though she thinks it's not needed: if she did that at current situation, it would possibly cause mass panic and chaos as it was with those helms that can mask your psycho pass; and of course she doesn't want something so terrible to happen again.
Sorry if I messed up tenses or miss-typed something...
Mar 23, 2013 5:07 PM

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The ending scene with the new recruit (I knew she looked familiar!) was beautiful. Who could forget Akane's first day on the job. I'm a little disappointed about Makishima's fate. He put up such a struggle and just accepted it in the end.

In terms of an Urobutcher story, I'm left feeling unsatisfied at who died along the way. None of them had much emotional impact on me although this is probably due to having little interest in them all except Akane, Kogami and maybe Yayoi (superficially). Choosing Gino would be more in my favour, although I do find his path at the end equally tragic.

I definitely enjoyed the first half of the series more than the second. The mini-arcs depicting Makishima's control over smaller groups gave a chance to experiment and I thoroughly enjoyed it. The latter half had a different feel and around the dodgy transition from the old to new OP's was the low point for me. I still wonder if I needed to know Yayoi's backstory as I see her as a minor addition to the team.

Loved the OP, I still prefer the first to the colourful second. The same goes for the ED but I do love being smothered with pictures of Akane. Loved everything about her character and also about Kogami too, the VA's did a great job.

The soundtrack in general was great and the entire show (minus episode 18, haha) was a visual feast for my eyes. It's definitely one of my most enjoyed shows of this season.
Mar 23, 2013 5:12 PM

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If they ended it with the sybil system destroyed this would be even better. Great series though.
Mar 23, 2013 5:14 PM
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Same scene that the first episode....huh, and with the possibility of another season anyway good FINAL episode.
Mar 23, 2013 5:23 PM

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Sad that its over. The sibyl system continues I hope they make a second season because I enjoyed this anime 9/10. Though I still wonder what happen to Kogami.
Mar 23, 2013 6:39 PM

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Honestly had mixed feelings about this ending.

Feels like nothing was actually done from towards the episode in which we learn that the Sibyl System was managed by a crazy, psychotic, pseudo-deus ex machina.
Mar 23, 2013 7:05 PM

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does this mean next season(if theres 2nd season) kougami will become villian?, i mean hes going to destroy sibyl system.. i knew it yayoi and shion is in that kind of relationship, they even did yuri stuff back at ep1.. OST is awsome,VA everything is awsome.. kagari, masaoka, and makishima RIP my least favorite character in this series.. hoping for 2nd season..

Mar 23, 2013 8:03 PM

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ヽ(●゚´Д`゚●)ノ゚ we did it guise, i love the end when Akane explains to the new member about the Enforcers, unlike Ginoza who explained them as dogs in the first episode.

great series.
Mar 23, 2013 10:13 PM

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"They understood each other better than anyone else, and each was focused solely on each other."
Awesome end.
Sybyl system is still on. Gino became an enforcer. Their eyes...seem so cold.

I rated the whole series 10/10 for biased favoritism XD I won't expect a 2nd season though.
Mar 23, 2013 10:29 PM
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Unless there is a season two, of course, hopefully with a main character that brings CHANGE.
Mar 24, 2013 12:25 AM

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Awesome anime and great ending. I was actually expecting a worse ending so I'm pretty happy with this.

Ginoza looked really badass at the end.

I'd like to see a second season where they bring down the Sibyl system.

Pretty much the best show from this and last season (out of the ones I watched).
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Some-one asked a couple of pages back why I thought she'd kill Makashima when she'd already passed the opportunity over.

Basically everyone has a limit. In realistic terms, if you found out that your country was controlled overall by all the most evil brains in society which believed they'd found a concensus for good, which is basically what Sybil is, you'd be so repulsed and disappointed that you would lose the ability to give a damn.

Thats what I meant, sorry, that scenario was just how I hoped it would play out. I really hoped she would go dark and Ginoza wouldn't! No reason other than that's what I wanted to happen, and perhaps would have done in her situation.

Hope that explains it!
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But still, somehow, at some point, she must realises what she told there is stupid. You either think the system deserves to continue, or you don't. Feeling repulsed or not, she clearly made the - rational - decision the sybil system was needed.[snip]

I don't get it, except she lost it for a moment there. which is understandable at that point, but still.
Actually I think you've got it, judging from what you wrote. And I also want to add that it seems to be the writer's way to make a point on behalf of all the viewers who want to give the Sybil system the finger. Perhaps you think she should have followed a different course of action (grenades or whatever), but as you said above, she clearly made the rational decision the system is needed, so her last words can be just some futile sloganeering (which seems to be the view of the system as it gave out its sneering laughs) or, if we put it a bit more charitably, a determination to cling to a hope that the society will one day comes to see that it does not really need the system for rule of law, security and social stability.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Mar 24, 2013 5:05 AM
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Makishima Was right for everything :) But now Kagami with replace him ^^
Mar 24, 2013 5:21 AM

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ChocolateRainbow said:

Unless there is a season two, of course, hopefully with a main character that brings CHANGE.


Someone didn't get the point of the anime?

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Makishima Was right for everything :) But now Kagami with replace him ^^


If there is one person in this anime who is undoubtly a villain, it's Makishima... He might have had some points, but he was right about jack all as far as his execution goes. The system is only arguably "villainous" if you're on the 'Murica side of things (lack of freedom=automatically villain. Wut? Which is irony of the finest, since there's actually very little freedom there if you look into the actual working of that particular society :D).

Edit: Also if you want to contrast the security the system provides compared to, say, the US: statistics have been revealed showing more than 2000 people died over 98 days in shootings in the US (so not even including all other kinds of murders), and as much as 100 dead over a single week. Contrast this with PP's society where people rarely get killed. Welp, I think this counts as more than "a little bit of security".

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GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Mar 24, 2013 5:32 AM

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Thanks. Then I have another point that I did not like. It makes Kagaris death totally useless because it was the sole reason for them to kill him. Or do they want to wait until everyone just accepts it. But this makes no sense there will always be people who disagree..


they can't reveal themselves yet, like publishing a game that is still on alpha stage, yet these bastards are governing, do you already see the wrongness?

so what they propose to the still gutless protagonist is to cooperate with them until they get to a point where presumably inside that enclosed environment they will be more competent, but alas they fail so hard it doesn't seem possible, and indeed she tell them their only future is dead, but regardless the system will continue since society needs it to work, otherwise the reform would overthrow the place into chaos, and without a composed plan for a new way of governance better than the previous the community inside this story would only obtain loses.


ok now to my personals ideas:

i fell conflicted with this series since it could be better, but nevertheless it was good i wan't to give it a 7 but in this sea of crappy anime we live today i feel an 8 will do for now, if the standards start rising the i will come here and drop the score.

about the characters like you would expect:
Akane becomes Gino with privileges, and an even harder impotence since she willingly knows she can overthrow her boss, which has no intention of becoming an entity to the service of the people.

Gino becomes an ignorant and still searching for answers imitation of its father, but at least this way he no longer following blindly whatever sibyls tells him.

i want to believe that Kogami is searching for a way to manage what Makishima failed to achieve, and i do wan't to think he left some evidence of the explicit true nature of sibyl.

reagardles of what you may thing this is not really a loop, and if you insist is a fairly imperfect one, why? simple:
Akane is wanted by the system to be integrated on, and it will be used regardless, while Gino was expendable.

unlike his experienced father Gino doesn't poses the experience to deliver the guidance the former could have lend to the new rookie, on its favor points he IS still young, but then again on that line of work he can disappear the very next day.

Kogami is a fugitive that can decide to either remain inactive or take action against the system, depending of the answers he could get, since i will assume as a viewer that knows the reality of his world, his governing system is in need of change, but back to Mr Kogami, unlike Makishima Kogami can be expendable, my justification for this statement being regardless his brilliance his psychopass is fully readable by sibyl, and does not show any exceptional tray (unlike Akane's) thus would probe as a not really that worth addition to the scheme, taking into account the effort that would be spend to take him alive, let alone try to get him to cooperate and join them.

So my major gigs against would be definitively with miss Akane, she sometimes forgets the context of with whom she is dealing with, assuming that Makishima would be on the control run or running away instead of waiting to prey for them, her constant interventions to favor a system which is filled with holes, but the bigger of them all is how even after she admits the flaws of Sibyl, and spouts another flavor text, she doesn't even try to correct such system, and people is a big no no, for some one that is supposed to be a gifted person who has just grasped the truth to give up is just what she did, her fake rebellion ends with her still being alienated, and this is confirmed with the last text "Sibyl System Continues" and this will remain until some one decides to rebel which will not be little powerless Akane since you see she not showing any signs of deflecting any time soon, and her only barking back is a quite general known by all statement, that with time Sibyl will fall, but lets face it that system is so imperfect those words weren't really needed, other than to tell us she wasn't a fanatic.

About a sequel being an OAV or second season, for my this series is pretty much done, and unless some one come with an alternative to the current bureau, a sequel would be quite damn boring, which would be a shame. is over people. not a really bad or good ending but one that allows for speculation, if there is anyone's fault in this series being unable to attain more this remains with the team, which ambition didn't allow for more than for the reaffirmation of a Panopticon that while not failing apart for its inmates will fall for itself.

lastly what this series does manege to excel is on its book quotations and influences like:
1984, do androids dream of electric sheep, sprawl trilogy, and the pieces of philosophy. among other books. i encourage you to go and give them a read.

i would add to clarify yes Akane character development ends in a farce when she subdues to an satisfying system, Makishima is not a hero, yes the system needs to be changed, and yes what they should be doing is searching for ways to change it, instead of tagging a long living on impotence, legitimizing the power that rules them. so for what i had read you all thing a revolution or a system overtrown has to involve mayor violent acts, but this particular case of a system with a low defense, and a lot of info against that can easily hinder its functionality such a thing can be perfectly done, but again unless they decided to work on that is not going to happen, since at least everyone (with exception of Kougami which current mental state is known to us) is actually supporting Sibyl.
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ChocolateRainbow said:


man do us a favor and read the concept of Panopticon and the idea of the big brother form the book 1984, and then come back and tell me that the bigger critic against the Sibyl system is a lack of security.
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Huuuuuuuuuuuuh? Did you even read my post? Apparantly not. That said, my quote up there is supposed to say "A little temporary safety", not "a bit of security".
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GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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HI EVERYONE :D
I registered in this page just to reply in this topic... i have a question about this chapter D: Please, can anyone make it clear to me? I really appreciate any help you guys can provide :)
In chapter 22 there is a scene where makishima tries to kill akane with his gun...but he runs out of ammo, then he is like ..."I see now.."
¿What did he meant with that? ¿Did he discovered something about akane? O.O
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HI EVERYONE :D
I registered in this page just to reply in this topic... i have a question about this chapter D: Please, can anyone make it clear to me? I really appreciate any help you guys can provide :)
In chapter 22 there is a scene where makishima tries to kill akane with his gun...but he runs out of ammo, then he is like ..."I see now.."
¿What did he meant with that? ¿Did he discovered something about akane? O.O


That's actually pretty ambigious and there are many theories. Maybe he figured out she was in league with the system (since she didn't bring another bullet to actually kill him), or that she's just blessed with uncanny luck.
Kellhus said:

GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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That's actually pretty ambigious and there are many theories. Maybe he figured out she was in league with the system (since she didn't bring another bullet to actually kill him), or that she's just blessed with uncanny luck.

Wait, now that i watched the episode again... That was actually Kougami's gun right? And only one bullet was remaining...but that still tell us nothing x.x I don't think she knew the gun had only one bullet left, so it wasn't about the amount of bullets...or at least, it wasn't about the number of bullets that akane wanted to use...
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symbv said:
AnimageNeby said:

But still, somehow, at some point, she must realises what she told there is stupid. You either think the system deserves to continue, or you don't. Feeling repulsed or not, she clearly made the - rational - decision the sybil system was needed.[snip]

I don't get it, except she lost it for a moment there. which is understandable at that point, but still.
Actually I think you've got it, judging from what you wrote. And I also want to add that it seems to be the writer's way to make a point on behalf of all the viewers who want to give the Sybil system the finger. Perhaps you think she should have followed a different course of action (grenades or whatever), but as you said above, she clearly made the rational decision the system is needed, so her last words can be just some futile sloganeering (which seems to be the view of the system as it gave out its sneering laughs) or, if we put it a bit more charitably, a determination to cling to a hope that the society will one day comes to see that it does not really need the system for rule of law, security and social stability.


That the author wants to focus on it, and let his audience ponder about it, is quite possible and even likely. But that's a bit like the last argument, in which we both agreed the author made the distinction of liberty vs control more succulent so one could argue both ways. But...that's rather meta-conclusion/explanation. It's no doubt correct, but it has no bearing on the morals and behaviours *inside* the story. Since the story is presented as a coherent one (contrary to, say, OP, for instance), one might expect coherence and consistency IN that created universe/world itself, apart from whether what the author wanted to accomplish in a meta-sense.

Which brings me back to Akanes' outcry. The only thing that makes even remotely sense, is that she was being emotional/irrational at that point. (Still a bit weird, since she's so level-headed, normally, so I find it a bit forced, when one interprets it that way). any other explanation doesn't make much sense, because...well, take your own explanation: "a hope that the society will one day comes to see that it does not really need the system for rule of law, security and social stability."

Well, SHE surely didn't seem to think they didn't really need the system for rule of law, security and social stability!! In fact, it's exactly the opposite: she acted the way she did, because she DID believe exactly those things. That you now say she has pinned her hope on the fact that others might come to another conclusion...it just *does not* make any sense. If you say that, you either think you were wrong in your earlier assessment (that the sybil system is necessary), or you think 'the people' will know better than you yourself.

I feel an emotional outburst is the best explanation (in-story), because otherwise, it's completely nonsensical.

PS.symbv, are you a fan of Shin Sekai Yori too? Personally, I found that ending more satisfactory than that of psycho-pass. Here it seemed a bit...weak. Unfinished. What do you think?

XartaX said:
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Huuuuuuuuuuuuh? Did you even read my post? Aparently not. That said, my quote up there is supposed to say "A little temporary safety", not "a bit of security".


I see you're your amiable self again, xartax...
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which brings me back to Akanes' outlet. the only thing that makes even remotely sense, is that she was being emotional/irrational at that point. (Still a bit weird, since she's so level-headed, normally, so I find it a bit forced, when one interprets it that way).
She being level-headed does not mean she cannot have emotions. I think that scene quite clearly shows she got emotional as she remembered all the people she worked with or knew very well who got killed when she was given another cold (and rather self-serving) analysis by the system.

any other explanation doesn't make much sense, because...well, take your own explanation: "a hope that the society will one day comes to see that it does not really need the system for rule of law, security and social stability."

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Well, SHE surely didn't seem to think they didn't really need the system for rule of law, security and social stability!! In fact, it's exactly the opposite: she acted the way she did, because she DID believe exactly those things. That you now say she has pinned her hope on others might come to another conclusion...it just *does not* make any sense. If you say that, you either think you were wrong in your earlier assessment (that the sybil system is necessary), or you think 'the people' will know better than you yourself.
I do not see problem with my assessment so far. Akane thinks the sybil system is necessary now because the people are not ready to go without it. If the system goes, the society the people will likely to fall into chaos. But that does not mean she cannot believe there will be a future when the system is not needed, when people will come to switch off the power for the system.

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PS.symbv, are you a fan of Shin Sekai Yori too? Personally, I found that ending more satisfactory than that of psycho-pass. Here it seemed a bit...weak. Unfinished. What do you think?
I read the novel of Shinsekai Yori before I started the anime and you could say that I was a fan of SSY before the anime was aired. The novel won the most prestigious SF award of Japan back in 2008 and I could clearly see why after I read it: The world building and story telling is very well done, so is the character development and tightness of plot. SSY needs a lot of time to flesh out the oddities of the world and the society and so it started slow but everything built up to a climax that is really tense and full of impact, while at the same time gets you to go back to rethink early parts of the story and how they fit in with the development and revelation at the ending.

Psycho-Pass has a flatter ending, and the climax can to some people anticlimactic, and there are not that many loose ends to tie up or more revelations to be made by the ending. It is a safe and unambitious writing I would say, as the necessary questions it wants to ask have mostly been asked before the ending came.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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T'was one hell of a ride.

A really great sci fi series, with deep, meaningful conversations (Gen Urobochi!!) and a good story. Everything was great, though one thing i noticed is like almost half of the series focus on Makishima, and then the Sibyl system, and then the tension between the team (Kagari died and Kougami left). I felt like half of the series is like one arc, though a great one. But then I'm left wanting for more. I could say the conclusion is pretty good as well.

7.5 = 8/10.
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ChocolateRainbow said:

Unless there is a season two, of course, hopefully with a main character that brings CHANGE.


How do you completely manage to miss the point of the entire anime? Seriously, how do you even do that?

Also, to the people complaining how it was anticlimatic, how they should have developed Akane's character more and maybe have her kill Makishima, how Kagari's death was useless and so on - life is fucked up! It always has been, it always will be. Not everything makes sense, not all people die heroes, not everything has a grand finale. Learn to handle the truth.
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I had great expectations for the ending but it just didn't satisfy me fully :( I was hoping for the Sybil system to be destroyed with both Makishima and Kogami. They both thought alike.
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xBits said:
ChocolateRainbow said:

Unless there is a season two, of course, hopefully with a main character that brings CHANGE.

How do you completely manage to miss the point of the entire anime? Seriously, how do you even do that?

Also, to the people complaining how it was anticlimatic, how they should have developed Akane's character more and maybe have her kill Makishima, how Kagari's death was useless and so on - life is fucked up! It always has been, it always will be. Not everything makes sense, not all people die heroes, not everything has a grand finale. Learn to handle the truth.


No, I think YOU are missing a point in a realistic climatic story. Would you care to go into more detail on how IM missing the point?.... Wait you have no explanation? Than you have proved nothing, so stuff the one minded, un-comprehendable, down right aggravating, ignorance from were it came from. Killing Makishima would solve everyones problems right? *Rolls eyes* If it wasn't for Makishimas involvement, Akane or any of the other characters wouldn't even know about the true syliby system, Makishima was trying to bring change to let people live their lives the way they want to without the use of the sylibi system. Akane was damn useless thought the show, what did she accomplish? Oh thats right, NOTHING.
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ChocolateRainbow said:
xBits said:
ChocolateRainbow said:

Unless there is a season two, of course, hopefully with a main character that brings CHANGE.

How do you completely manage to miss the point of the entire anime? Seriously, how do you even do that?

Also, to the people complaining how it was anticlimatic, how they should have developed Akane's character more and maybe have her kill Makishima, how Kagari's death was useless and so on - life is fucked up! It always has been, it always will be. Not everything makes sense, not all people die heroes, not everything has a grand finale. Learn to handle the truth.


No, I think YOU are missing a point in a realistic climatic story. Would you care to go into more detail on how IM missing the point?.... Wait you have no explanation? Than you have proved nothing, so stuff the one minded, un-comprehendable, down right aggravating, ignorance from were it came from. Killing Makishima would solve everyones problems right? *Rolls eyes* If it wasn't for Makishimas involvement, Akane or any of the other characters wouldn't even know about the true syliby system, Makishima was trying to bring change to let people live their lives the way they want to without the use of the sylibi system. Akane was damn useless thought the show, what did she accomplish? Oh thats right, NOTHING.


He's right, you know. And that you're even trying to paint Makishima in any kind of positive light is downright deplorable. He's the only completely villanous character in the entire series (the kind who would kick the dog).
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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"Also, can we talk about that last shot of “Swann’s Way”? It’s the first volume of a series that is called “In Search of Lost Time”. It’s one that talks about involuntary memory, where even if you don’t remember, your body/reflexes/etc. acts with that memory. Is that Gino reading it? We’re not too sure based on silhouette alone. I still think it’s Gino, considering also, that he is now (based on the old team) the only male left in the group. It sure ain’t Ko."

I found this on tumblr ^^ I also asked the same question earlier, but no one answered me ;_;


No, the person reading that book was on a boat, you can hear some sounds that tell you that. It has to be Ko, I mean, Gino can't leave the building without company, what would he be doing on a boat? Ko is the one who's running away from SIByL, so it makes the most sense.
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Fantastic show loved it
I'm gonna keep it short and just say 9 d(-_^)
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ChocolateRainbow said:
xBits said:
ChocolateRainbow said:

Unless there is a season two, of course, hopefully with a main character that brings CHANGE.

How do you completely manage to miss the point of the entire anime? Seriously, how do you even do that?

Also, to the people complaining how it was anticlimatic, how they should have developed Akane's character more and maybe have her kill Makishima, how Kagari's death was useless and so on - life is fucked up! It always has been, it always will be. Not everything makes sense, not all people die heroes, not everything has a grand finale. Learn to handle the truth.


No, I think YOU are missing a point in a realistic climatic story. Would you care to go into more detail on how IM missing the point?.... Wait you have no explanation? Than you have proved nothing, so stuff the one minded, un-comprehendable, down right aggravating, ignorance from were it came from. Killing Makishima would solve everyones problems right? *Rolls eyes* If it wasn't for Makishimas involvement, Akane or any of the other characters wouldn't even know about the true syliby system, Makishima was trying to bring change to let people live their lives the way they want to without the use of the sylibi system. Akane was damn useless thought the show, what did she accomplish? Oh thats right, NOTHING.


I didn't say killing Makishima would solve anyone's problems. That is the whole point! You don't just solve the problems of a society which is fucked up on levels you can't even imagine. If they had brought down the system, the society would have gone into a complete chaos. 'Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise' - that's the whole premise of the show. Brainwashing, if you will. You can't just wave a magic wand and make things right.
Makishima was an amazing villain, one of the best I've ever seen. But he was alone in his goal, and was bound to fail.
About Akane - she definitely became stronger through the show. But just because you become stronger, doesn't mean you won't fail. She's trying, in the end, to do something about it. It's about being strong when you're really all but powerless, about doing what's best for others, accepting the reality but not giving up. In that respect, Akane turned out to be a pretty well fleshed out character.
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Quite good series, but a mediocre ending. That false loop don't convince me and the overall mood of the episode didn't make too much sense. And, they ruin a critical scene, when akane is talking with the sybil system. I think that situation could be a lot better without music. Anyway, I wll remember the good situations that psycho pass offers and the first half of the show, when the history practically shows no issues. Kagari's death never shows a convincing development (in emotions of characters).
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She being level-headed does not mean she cannot have emotions. I think that scene quite clearly shows she got emotional as she remembered all the people she worked with or knew very well who got killed when she was given another cold (and rather self-serving) analysis by the system.


True, it was being set in that context of emotional flashbacks and what not. It felt a bit out of character, but then again; everyone has his/her breaking point, I guess. As said, I think this is the most logical explanation for what she is saying, indeed.

I do not see problem with my assessment so far. Akane thinks the sybil system is necessary now because the people are not ready to go without it. If the system goes, the society the people will likely to fall into chaos. But that does not mean she cannot believe there will be a future when the system is not needed, when people will come to switch off the power for the system.


Ah you mean like that. In some far away future, people just won't be aggressive anymore, won't kill anymore, etc., so the system won't be needed anymore neither? Something like that? Hmmm...Well, it's a good point, but it seems rather far-fetched to me. If humanity is so evolved in the far future they won't kill anymore, they won't kill the brains neither, after all. And however you turn it; the potential 'acceptance' of the system will happen much sooner than their 'no-need-for-the-system'-feeling (if that ever comes). Also, by the wording Akane used, my interpretation is a bit different. It's unlikely she meant it in a way to say 'well, we'll one day be evolved so much that all people will behave even without the system being there, so the necessity for it will go away, and the plug can be pulled.' It seemed rather she said it in the way of 'the people won't stand for it/won't put up with it'...but that sounds rather like the more immature, irrational behaviour, then. If they still have that behaviour - and can't rationally accept the system, as Akane did - they won't have the attitude/behaviour to not cause trouble to others neither. The intolerance towards the system she speaks of, does not bode well for their capacity to deal with others, which is necessary if they truly want to (or claim they can) live without the system, and yet without the chaos Akane now thinks there will be.

I'm not sure if you get what I mean here, but this also seems a bit contradictory, even when using your explanation, thus. I could be wrong in the interpretation, of course, but I rather thought she meant people won't stand for it, as in their base value of it (emotional/irrational), while you now seem to argue that she meant they will be 'morally higher' and just won't need the system anymore. But if they're starting to be so rational and morally evolved as to not need it anymore, the point where they *first* come to, will be that they are able to accept the system BEFORE the need for the system is gone. By than the system can as well be so entrenched in society, that it is difficult to get it 'off' in a pragmatic way.

I mean, imagine for instance a symbiotic creature living in your body, and you need it to survive. Even if you get strong enough to go without it, would you then remove it, when it's entwined over and in your whole body, and you actually have accepted its existence? I hope I make myself clear, since it's a complex point I'm making. :-) So I'm making two arguments here: first of all, that she didn't say it in the interpretation you give to it (as far as I'm right in what you wanted to say), and secondly, even if it was, it would still be rather contradictory, but in another way than I formerly said.


I read the novel of Shinsekai Yori before I started the anime and you could say that I was a fan of SSY before the anime was aired. The novel won the most prestigious SF award of Japan back in 2008 and I could clearly see why after I read it: The world building and story telling is very well done, so is the character development and tightness of plot. SSY needs a lot of time to flesh out the oddities of the world and the society and so it started slow but everything built up to a climax that is really tense and full of impact, while at the same time gets you to go back to rethink early parts of the story and how they fit in with the development and revelation at the ending.


Wooow. You lucky bastard! ;-) you mean in english? Is there one, yet? I'm seriously thinking of buying the novel too. Or did you mean you read it in Japanese (your English seems also quite good, though, so I rather assumed you're a native speaker). Not that native speakers can't know other languages; I know four myself...but Japanese ain't one of them. ;-p

The manga wasn't much to speak of, unless you're into yuri, but the anime was really outstanding. I do hope that, with some hard-core fans, they won't do too badly in the sales, so we maybe get another one like it, even though it's artsy/story driven, and the marketshare for it is nowhere that of Naruto/bleach/OP and all that sort of anime.



Psycho-Pass has a flatter ending, and the climax can to some people anticlimactic, and there are not that many loose ends to tie up or more revelations to be made by the ending. It is a safe and unambitious writing I would say, as the necessary questions it wants to ask have mostly been asked before the ending came.


Myeah. I get what you're saying. I actually have mixed feelings about it myself, as I've said earlier. I somewhere understand what they're doing, and it's pretty realistic and all that. The (possible) message being: 'shit happens', and indeed, sometimes it can be original to just show that death isn't always glorious and can just end miserably and trivial, like being shot at the end of a cornfield, with all dreams/goals of that individual reduced to dust.

Ok, I get that. It has it's own appeal.

And yet...yet... I can't help but feel a bit disappointed. For me it was a bit anti-climatic. Even when I can intellectually accept the worth of what/ how they ended it...truth be told, I rather DO have something grand at the end. (Or at least bittersweet, but a feeling of a 'completed' ending). And I didn't have that here. Maybe it's just due to the fact people want to see something grand when watching a series; they want something more/greater than life. Especially in a futuristic or fantasy setting. Otherwise, it wouldn't have that kind of appeal, if we just as well could have it in real life, with all it's inglorious endings as it is. If that, then we could as well be watching 'slice-of-life' anime (and I don't).

Maybe I can't blame psycho-pas for it, but the feeling does remain. That said; it's clearly a series that is far above average, and I consider it one of the best of the season and even the last few years, regardless. I certainly prefer it over any typical shounen, with all it's faked 'grand finalis' every day of the week. But if I compare it with other excellent series, such as SSY, then I found the bittersweet ending of *that* (and the revelation about the true nature of the queerats, and the end of squeeler, etc.) better and more satisfactory.

Could be, as some said, the anti-climatic nature is there because they wanted it left 'open' and unfinished to keep open the possibility of a second season...but we'll see.
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Why no one asks Gen on his twitter if they'll be a second season?
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Nice ending.New girl enforcer hmm. zliked that fight omce again. Makisma will always be a great villain.
I think this soes not need season2. Was wanted to, but I think they covered up all of it. Needs a ova now!
I love this show! 9/10
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Decent show. a bit anticlimactic ending, but still, a necessary compromise to wrap it up in a satisfying way. Hoping for a second season. Overall score imo 9/10
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the new inspector should've been a boy so there would be more conflicts, cuz now if there is a second season it's just ganna be two chicks running the section 1; not that i mind akane.. just not the new girl.


Technically the new girl isn't a new character. Mika was in episodes 7 and 8, i.e. the only one out of the trio of high school girls who didn't become one of Rikako's pieces of human art. I think it is quite meaningful she was able to cope with the grief of losing her two best friends and even become an inspector while still a minor. While a boy would have been an interesting choice, Mika isn't some random girl.

That said, I'm not going to hold my breath on a second season. If Production IG keeps going, great! If the show ends here, I'm fine with that as the ending was satisfyingly realistic. I'm also glad the ending wasn't depressing. (Ko survived, I wasn't expecting that.) I certainly enjoyed this show and its homage to various sci-fi and dystopian movies and books.

I kind of want to compare Psycho-Pass with Brave New World but I've not read that book yet. I guess I now I have some reading to do.
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I loved the ending. I would find it hard to end a show of that type, one that is kind of open-ended like the whole detective kind of show, that would stick with you. I think it was very appropriate. Shows that villains are only human.
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Really enjoyed this series. And to think I nearly didn't watch it. I hope that the "SIByL still continues..." at the end is hinting at a possibly second season.
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Ah you mean like that. In some far away future, people just won't be aggressive anymore, won't kill anymore, etc., so the system won't be needed anymore neither? Something like that? Hmmm...Well, it's a good point, but it seems rather far-fetched to me. If humanity is so evolved in the far future they won't kill anymore, they won't kill the brains neither, after all. And however you turn it; the potential 'acceptance' of the system will happen much sooner than their 'no-need-for-the-system'-feeling (if that ever comes). Also, by the wording Akane used, my interpretation is a bit different. It's unlikely she meant it in a way to say 'well, we'll one day be evolved so much that all people will behave even without the system being there, so the necessity for it will go away, and the plug can be pulled.' It seemed rather she said it in the way of 'the people won't stand for it/won't put up with it'...but that sounds rather like the more immature, irrational behaviour, then. If they still have that behaviour - and can't rationally accept the system, as Akane did - they won't have the attitude/behaviour to not cause trouble to others neither. The intolerance towards the system she speaks of, does not bode well for their capacity to deal with others, which is necessary if they truly want to (or claim they can) live without the system, and yet without the chaos Akane now thinks there will be.
Not sure what "evolve" you have in mind - society evolution? Biological evolution (so that no more aggressivity)? Actually I mean that she may be just hoping for something not too different from where we are now. Instead of throwing all the character judgement and personality assessment to a system, people wake up from their slump and start to realize that they themselves should be doing it themselves. It goes back to what you argued before, a society that makes decision by the people themselves not relying on a system. But the point for Akane is, until people actually come to this realization, just switching off the system will cause extreme chaos and lawless anarchy, as we already saw early in the series. So Akane knew, rationally, that this is not something to happen now, but one day when people wake up and really start care of themselves, they will realize that they do not need the system any more.

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I mean, imagine for instance a symbiotic creature living in your body, and you need it to survive. Even if you get strong enough to go without it, would you then remove it, when it's entwined over and in your whole body, and you actually have accepted its existence? I hope I make myself clear, since it's a complex point I'm making. :-) So I'm making two arguments here: first of all, that she didn't say it in the interpretation you give to it (as far as I'm right in what you wanted to say), and secondly, even if it was, it would still be rather contradictory, but in another way than I formerly said.
I do not see that there is either contradiction or my interpretation being invalid. Using your example, you may have a creature living in your body which you cannot get rid of as it starts to take over some of the vital function you body is doing. You cannot get rid of it now, so you have to accept it now, but you hope that something can be done (perhaps in future with better science or you get stronger or whatever) so that your body can resume those vital functions and then you can get rid of the creature. It's just that simple.

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Wooow. You lucky bastard! ;-) you mean in english? Is there one, yet? I'm seriously thinking of buying the novel too. Or did you mean you read it in Japanese (your English seems also quite good, though, so I rather assumed you're a native speaker). Not that native speakers can't know other languages; I know four myself...but Japanese ain't one of them. ;-p
Not in English of course. I don't think there are English translation except for partial translation by fans. I read it in Japanese as I speak the language, although neither English nor Japanese is my first language ;-p What other languages do you speak I wonder?

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The manga wasn't much to speak of, unless you're into yuri, but the anime was really outstanding. I do hope that, with some hard-core fans, they won't do too badly in the sales, so we maybe get another one like it, even though it's artsy/story driven, and the marketshare for it is nowhere that of Naruto/bleach/OP and all that sort of anime.
Well I love its art style, but of course yuri is a big pull to me ;-)


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And yet...yet... I can't help but feel a bit disappointed. For me it was a bit anti-climatic. Even when I can intellectually accept the worth of what/ how they ended it...truth be told, I rather DO have something grand at the end. (Or at least bittersweet, but a feeling of a 'completed' ending). And I didn't have that here. Maybe it's just due to the fact people want to see something grand when watching a series; they want something more/greater than life. Especially in a futuristic or fantasy setting. Otherwise, it wouldn't have that kind of appeal, if we just as well could have it in real life, with all it's inglorious endings as it is. If that, then we could as well be watching 'slice-of-life' anime (and I don't).
I see your point. I can agree it is a bit anti-climactic but it is also a safe one, meaning that there is no sudden twist and revelation that comes out of nowhere just to make a climax or an impact. I would at least credit the writer for not doing that. Perhaps I am not that demanding but I am not unhappy that the series ends on solid ground, even though it is also a bit plain.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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