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Aug 3, 2014 12:54 PM

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Or their reaction to



Oh man.


And then people will downrate Heaven's feel like crazy.
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Or their cute little Illya
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LastChapter said:
Or their cute little Illya
That was just fucking evil ;_;
Aug 3, 2014 1:05 PM
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How exactly was she well developed in FZ?


She had an entire episode plus various parts dedicated to her.
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Aug 3, 2014 1:06 PM
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ssjokg said:
How exactly was she well developed in FZ?


She had an entire episode plus various parts dedicated to her.
an entire episode.. desu ka?

I see
Aug 3, 2014 1:14 PM

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How exactly was she well developed in FZ?


She got far more attention than certain other tohsaka sister, who got a chance to stand around being pitiful and then say an one-liner to dying kariya that half the viewerbase misinterpreted.
Aug 3, 2014 1:15 PM

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HaXXspetten said:
LastChapter said:
Or their cute little Illya
That was just fucking evil ;_;
The thread for this episode will be fun.
Aug 3, 2014 1:17 PM

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Botato said:
HaXXspetten said:
That was just fucking evil ;_;
The thread for this episode will be fun.


Considering
even UBW movie viewers won't be ready.

As long as Ufotable does not turn into TOEI and fuck taht up.
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kikohunter said:
ssjokg said:
How exactly was she well developed in FZ?


She had an entire episode plus various parts dedicated to her.

The ep didnt show anything that would make a char "well developed".
She cared for her friend and tried to save her?
Much development....
She is a kid genius?
It's something you realize and actually see in detail in the first mins of the prologue(which would be ep1).
Aug 3, 2014 1:19 PM

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Fai said:
ssjokg said:
How exactly was she well developed in FZ?


She got far more attention than certain other tohsaka sister, who got a chance to stand around being pitiful and then say an one-liner to dying kariya that half the viewerbase misinterpreted.
You are pretty good with spreading your Sakura hate but that doesnt mean shit since getting screentime=/=development.

If it was so simple many shit chars in so many shit series would be "well developed"/
Aug 3, 2014 1:20 PM

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ssjokg said:
kikohunter said:


She had an entire episode plus various parts dedicated to her.

The ep didnt show anything that would make a char "well developed".
She cared for her friend and tried to save her?
Much development....
She is a kid genius?
It's something you realize and actually see in detail in the first mins of the prologue(which would be ep1).


F0 viewers will already care even before that.

While to Sakura most of casual secondaries will be "here's the bitch that was rude to dying Kariya"
Aug 3, 2014 1:26 PM

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Fai said:

F0 viewers will already care even before that.

It still isnt development.
Aug 3, 2014 1:32 PM

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Fai said:
While to Sakura most of casual secondaries will be "here's the bitch that was rude to dying Kariya"
Those people will be my main concern in the upcoming adaptations.
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F0 viewers will already care even before that.

It still isnt development.
Fleshing out might be the word everyone is looking for?
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Aug 3, 2014 1:41 PM

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There is one disappointment about UBW.

Aug 3, 2014 1:42 PM

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antonn said:
There is one disappointment about UBW.



Aug 3, 2014 1:55 PM

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C-Core said:
Dat Gil moonwalk at the end.

Also dat sarcasm, I couldn't tell!

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antonn said:
There is one disappointment about UBW.



Aug 3, 2014 1:58 PM

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Dat Gil moonwalk at the end.

Also dat sarcasm, I couldn't tell!

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HeisenDurden said:

EDIT:


See F/HA for explanation on that.
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Botato said:

HeisenDurden said:



Nah, that's fine.
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Kellhus said:
GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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Nah, that's fine.
Aug 3, 2014 4:18 PM

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Botato said:
And he deserves to die the worst way possible.[/spoiler]


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Botato said:
And he deserves to die the worst way possible.[/spoiler]




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Aug 3, 2014 7:07 PM
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You don't even know who Rin is, so you can't judge her. I don't know what's so hard to accept about that.


He finds many things hard to accept, if it disagrees with his view. Up until the end, he honestly thought Aoi was a heartless mother who gave away Sakura without hesitation and Kariya had no ulterior motives when he decided to participate in the war to win the Grail. Yeah...


So not agreeing with your thoughts on characters=me having a issue accept things? How does that make any sense.
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Thats just silly imo. I should just bow out cause I dont wanna sit through a VN. I mean if hardcore VN have a problem with this then there are other forums out there.Again this forum is not VN exclusive. Its suppose to be for those who like the series in geniral.
This has gone out of hand <_<

What I meant to say:
Fate/ Stay Night is Fate, UBW and HF.

You have only seen Fate, which
a) Focuses on Saber more (since it's her route).
b) Due to being a shitty adaptation it focused on Saber more than it was supposed to.
c) Because of a and b, Rin is somewhat neglected in DEEN's anime.

Now with that in mind, you're following comment
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I also like saber more then rin as rin never stuck me as interesting and what from what I read online saber kinda takes a back seat in this one to rin.


Is invalid. Why?
Because
a) You're basing your judgement on only 1/3rd of the whole thing, which was butchered.
b) Fate is not where Rin shines, but it's where Saber has most of her moments. And even then DEEN managed to make things worse for Rin.

Also there's no need to worry about Saber taking a back seat in UBW because you don't like Rin since UBW should make you like her.


Sometimes you dont need the whole story to spark someones interest in a character. There are moments in anime where iv thought "oh hey this character seems pretty cool and interesting I would like to learn more" Rin just doesint spark that for me. Hey maybe after this anime my thought process could change but as of now there nothing there for me. Im just putting it out there that im not trying to say shes an awful character.
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When I think about it, I can't wait till this starts airing, because all the people hyping up F/0 servants/masters will see just how overpowered it can truly get.



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C-Core said:


He finds many things hard to accept, if it disagrees with his view. Up until the end, he honestly thought Aoi was a heartless mother who gave away Sakura without hesitation and Kariya had no ulterior motives when he decided to participate in the war to win the Grail. Yeah...


So not agreeing with your thoughts on characters=me having a issue accept things? How does that make any sense.


You can't agree/disagree with someone's thoughts without being on the same level of context of the said thoughts.

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Sometimes you dont need the whole story to spark someones interest in a character. There are moments in anime where iv thought "oh hey this character seems pretty cool and interesting I would like to learn more" Rin just doesint spark that for me. Hey maybe after this anime my thought process could change but as of now there nothing there for me. Im just putting it out there that im not trying to say shes an awful character.


And there's absolutely nothing in DEEN-FSN that is canon, apart from the very ending.

And as said before its still mostly only 1/3rd of the storyline(albeit badly handled). Even the lead character comes off as unlikeable. NO ONE is interesting in deen-FSN, apart from the holy messiah reincarnation of jesus christ most important person ever Saber
Aug 4, 2014 1:11 AM

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ahmm pls be nice to me , im gonna ask if this is a remake ?

im planning to take on this series. i haven't watch any fate shows and they said i should watch f/z s1 and s2 first then wait for the f/sn remake ..

thanks :)
Aug 4, 2014 1:23 AM

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The_Core said:
ahmm pls be nice to me , im gonna ask if this is a remake ?

im planning to take on this series. i haven't watch any fate shows and they said i should watch f/z s1 and s2 first then wait for the f/sn remake ..

thanks :)

Watch this remake first before watching the two seasons of F/Z.
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The_Core said:
ahmm pls be nice to me , im gonna ask if this is a remake ?

im planning to take on this series. i haven't watch any fate shows and they said i should watch f/z s1 and s2 first then wait for the f/sn remake ..

thanks :)

There are two options:
1)Read the Visual Novel Fate/Stay Night then watch FZ and FSN remake and FSN movie(s) by ufotable..
2)Watch the remake and the future movie(s) and then watch FZ.


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ssjokg said:

It still isnt development.
Fleshing out might be the word everyone is looking for?
More like, introducing her??
Aug 4, 2014 1:36 AM

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The_Core said:
ahmm pls be nice to me , im gonna ask if this is a remake ?

im planning to take on this series. i haven't watch any fate shows and they said i should watch f/z s1 and s2 first then wait for the f/sn remake ..

thanks :)


Watching Fate/Zero first would spoil majority of FSN plot twists within the first episode alone. Its not advised. Even though F/0 events are set 10 years before FSN, the storyline expects you to know FSN story and lore already and is meant to be watched/read after FSN.

Either wait for remake and after the remake finishes watch Fate/Zero
Or
Read the visual novel, watch fate/zero and wait for remake.



Whatever you do ignore the previous DEEN adaptations of FSN. They are non-canon and will only confuse people and might even drive people away from teh franchise.
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Coalgirls wont do the UBW remake because, according to them/her/whatever the movie did it justice.



I don't really care since there ARE groups that will definitely do it but this is bullshit.
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souledge94 said:
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He finds many things hard to accept, if it disagrees with his view. Up until the end, he honestly thought Aoi was a heartless mother who gave away Sakura without hesitation and Kariya had no ulterior motives when he decided to participate in the war to win the Grail. Yeah...


So not agreeing with your thoughts on characters=me having a issue accept things? How does that make any sense.


It's not about thoughts, it's about facts. Your opinion includes false assertions, so it doesn't hold much ground. If you think Aoi doesn't care about Sakura then you must be blind because that's one of the things even Kariya saw. Worse, you claimed she gave Sakura away without any thought and that is nothing more than a lie, a false assumption without any basis.

Same case with Kariya. The longer the story became, the clearer it became that he isn't as selfless as it is shown at the beginning. You didn't even accept these facts. I don't care whether you like the characters or not, just don't ignore important character aspects that don't suit your impression of the character.

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Sometimes you dont need the whole story to spark someones interest in a character. There are moments in anime where iv thought "oh hey this character seems pretty cool and interesting I would like to learn more" Rin just doesint spark that for me. Hey maybe after this anime my thought process could change but as of now there nothing there for me. Im just putting it out there that im not trying to say shes an awful character.


Sometimes. I'm pretty sure most anime-only viewer got the wrong image of Shirou, too. But not only Shirou, Rin was also butchered by the 2006 anime. Her establishing scenes are in the Prologue and... let's say you don't see much of it.

To be honest, I can't see how Saber is supposedly more interesting when Nasu wrote her that poorly. Urobuchi didn't make it better. Compared to the other main heroines, Sakura and Saber, Rin is given far more details and attention. But I already said, what people think is interesting is completely subjective.

If you don't find her interesting after the anime series and the movie - that's when you see her whole character and are on even grounds with the VN readers (maybe) - you can elaborate on why she isn't that interesting besides "she doesn't spark me". An opinion should be supported by arguments. Few people take opinions, that aren't reasoned, seriously. "I just don't like him, I don't know why." sounds like Shirou.
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Coalgirls wont do the UBW remake because, according to them/her/whatever the movie did it justice.



I don't really care since there ARE groups that will definitely do it but this is bullshit.


Laughing so hard if true.

THE hardcore HF fanboys will always make me laugh. The tantrums of how "HF should have been the series because UBW already got totally okay movie" will never get old.


EDIT: Going by comments it seems that the author believes that UBW series would be "too slow to get to the point". ROFL.
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Who cares about Coalgirls anyways, I'm 100% sure a popular series like Fate/ will find better encoders.
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Fai said:
ssjokg said:
Coalgirls wont do the UBW remake because, according to them/her/whatever the movie did it justice.



I don't really care since there ARE groups that will definitely do it but this is bullshit.


Laughing so hard if true.

THE hardcore HF fanboys will always make me laugh. The tantrums of how "HF should have been the series because UBW already got totally okay movie" will never get old.


EDIT: Going by comments it seems that the author believes that UBW series would be "too slow to get to the point". ROFL.
They claim that their fav is UBW tho.
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ssjokg said:
Coalgirls wont do the UBW remake because, according to them/her/whatever the movie did it justice.



I don't really care since there ARE groups that will definitely do it but this is bullshit.
All Coalgirls does is slap subs onto BD/DVDs as far as I'm aware.

I'm pretty sure UTW releases high quality stuff as well unless Fate/Zero just normally takes up like 50GB

Ofc I am talking about the BDs and just like FZ or even the UBW movie,I will get them from UTW. And it's Fate even if they dont do it somebody else will.
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UTW just released a false "Raze is dead" post, lol. Perhaps his love for FSN might revive him.
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ssjokg said:
Coalgirls wont do the UBW remake because, according to them/her/whatever the movie did it justice.



I don't really care since there ARE groups that will definitely do it but this is bullshit.

They do?
And I mean that in the most sexually painful way possible.
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UTW just released a false "Raze is dead" post, lol. Perhaps his love for FSN might revive him.
HE will comeback as a Heroic Spirit or something.
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UTW just released a false "Raze is dead" post, lol. Perhaps his love for FSN might revive him.
HE will comeback as a Heroic Spirit or something.


from the future
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thanks guys :)

gonna watch by this order

1 f/sn 2014
2 f/sn heavens feel (upcoming)

3 f/z s1
4 f/z s2

i will never touch studio deen's f/sn


btw , can i watch fate ilya w/o watching the whole fate series ?
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btw , can i watch fate ilya w/o watching the whole fate series ?


Knowledge of FSN and FAte/Zero is required for it(since its an alternate outcome of fate/zero).

It expects you to know FSN and F/0 characters, concepts, events, etc.
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thank you ^^ , i am so pumped up right now !!!
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Coalgirls wont do the UBW remake because, according to them/her/whatever the movie did it justice.


Wut?
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Nah, that's fine.

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thanks guys :)

gonna watch by this order

1 f/sn 2014
2 f/sn heavens feel (upcoming)

3 f/z s1
4 f/z s2

i will never touch studio deen's f/sn


btw , can i watch fate ilya w/o watching the whole fate series ?


As Fai said, watch everything before Prisma Illya, it isn't fun if you don't know anything, and take a look on Carnival Phantasm before Prisma Illya too.

Oh you guys are so cruel with Shinji-kun.
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Sometimes you dont need the whole story to spark someones interest in a character. There are moments in anime where iv thought "oh hey this character seems pretty cool and interesting I would like to learn more" Rin just doesint spark that for me. Hey maybe after this anime my thought process could change but as of now there nothing there for me. Im just putting it out there that im not trying to say shes an awful character.
Yeah but getting worried about the other parts of the story because that certain character is not interesting is wrong, what if you are not supposed to be interested in them until a certain plot twist or something? It's like wanting to watch Death Note and after the first episode you're like I don't like this Light guy, he's not interesting. Well shit, you haven't seen anything yet <_<

As for the part in bold, I repeat, DEEN's anime pretty much erased all of Rin's "moments" as well as over-glorified Saber which in turn overshadowed Rin. OF COURSE you won't find these "moments" for her.
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thanks guys :)

gonna watch by this order

1 f/sn 2014
2 f/sn heavens feel (upcoming)

3 f/z s1
4 f/z s2


Guys i think its pretty alright to watch F/Z before watching this adaptation, the first episode of F/Z explain everything about the War, you don't need any knowledge from F/SN to watch it actually. i know its a prequel but the way i see it you can watch F/Z as a stand alone anime and still enjoy it very much.

in fact i think its better to watch the prequel first because (Major Spoilers ahead):

I can point many other things but i think you get the idea.
Again i know its a prequel but watching F/Z -> F/SN will get you the most entertainment possible if you don't want to know the ultimate result of the prequel before watching it like myself.
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