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Kougeru said: Well, they went with the most predictable/cliche path after all. Not with just who John Walker is, but also with the big secret of Kiki. Pretty lame after such a great and unique showing otherwise. Hopefully things get interesting again Well, since the reveal of John Walker wasn't even supposed to be a big thing. As others have pointed it out, they didn't even make a big deal out of it. Like Handomachi called him, and we immediately saw his face, there wasn't any mouth shot and then slow zoom out effect for example, they just showed him, and immediately moved forward. This anime isn't about the big mystery of John Walker's identity. |
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SaltyReinn said: Okay, so we all called it that the chief was John Walker. One thing that I don't understand at all is why did Handomachi call him to tell him that she knows that he is John Walker. That literally gives him enough time to prepare for a retaliation against them. I guess if she actually used her head, then there only would be one additional episode. She called in fake world, not in real world, so chief wasn't alerted by that |
-Aincrad- said: Kougeru said: Well, they went with the most predictable/cliche path after all. Not with just who John Walker is, but also with the big secret of Kiki. Pretty lame after such a great and unique showing otherwise. Hopefully things get interesting again Well, since the reveal of John Walker wasn't even supposed to be a big thing. As others have pointed it out, they didn't even make a big deal out of it. Like Handomachi called him, and we immediately saw his face, there wasn't any mouth shot and then slow zoom out effect for example, they just showed him, and immediately moved forward. This anime isn't about the big mystery of John Walker's identity. True but I didn't even find the execution done well. That's why I'm hoping something more surprising comes up soon |
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| There are two episodes left. There has to be more to John Walker than this. |
| Anyone ever see the 90s movie Pi? I think Anaido may be a reference to the main character from that. Its about arithmamania and drills entering heads to some degree |
| John's Walker identity revealed : a bit predictable at some point but it became confirmed ! We shall see how the show will be concluded |
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| that was fucking amazing, kinda generic it was the chief after all but as I said before in episode 1 this is Minority Report : The animation |
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KatsutoSaki said: It doesn't matter if the John Walker's identity was obvious. It's the way they uncovered it which was really entertaining. I definitely agree. I was kinda disappointed because almost everyone knew that he's John Walker, but I liked how Hondomachi figured it out in a well inside a well. Two more episodes to wrap this up, hopefully it won't go downhill from here. Some questions left for the anime to answer: - Why does Kaeru look like Kiki Asukai? What is the purpose of the similar appearance? - What is John Walker using Kiki for? What is the true purpose (if there is one) of these ID wells in the first place? - What is John Walker's motive? Kougeru said: Nurguburu said: Well, John Walker is the Chief. I'm not surprised lol. Why is he using Asukai Kiki/Kaede-chan for. I'm curious. She's obviously the key to the ID Wells. Well that's obvious. But I'm pretty sure the question is why he's using her for the ID wells. As in why would he need her to make the ID wells; why they were made in the first place, to be more specific. |
jd2001zMar 8, 2020 5:32 PM
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jd2001z said: KatsutoSaki said: It doesn't matter if the John Walker's identity was obvious. It's the way they uncovered it which was really entertaining. I definitely agree. I was kinda disappointed because almost everyone knew that he's John Walker, but I liked how Hondomachi figured it out in a well inside a well. Two more episodes to wrap this up, hopefully it won't go downhill from here. Some questions left for the anime to answer: - Why does Kaeru look like Kiki Asukai? What is the purpose of the similar appearance? - What is John Walker using Kiki for? What is the true purpose (if there is one) of these ID wells in the first place? - What is John Walker's motive? Well that's obvious. But I'm pretty sure the question is why he's using her for the ID wells. As in why would he need her to make the ID wells; why they were made in the first place, to be more specific. So people don't like that it was somewhat obvious... In a lot of detective mysteries, they do the same thing to make the suspect obvious so they can get the viewer to focus more on other details going on, and to check facts and cross hypothesize to rule out other possibilities that couldn't possibly lead to the plausible conclusion you've been given, not directly, but through obvious hints that are scattered. Which you wouldn't be able to do if you didn't already have a strong lead for a plausible conclusion. And also because the details are more important than who did it, so that way you can view the method by which the character/s arrive at the conclusion that you've already mostly been given. Basically without this narrative style, you would completely overlook bits of highly interesting or mysterious information where you want to know how it relates. Such as the all the (7's) going on. Stuff like this would be totally useless because you won't know how it may support a certain conclusion, especially with this sort of mysterious info revealed earlier in the story. It'd be completely, totally useless information. But when you have a suspect, it's no longer totally useless! Making the bad guy seem likely from the start makes people play off the premise of who it is. Which forces viewers to use deductive reasoning, even for those who don't know what deductive reasoning is. So believe me. They made it obvious on purpose. It's an established narrative style to direct viewer focus and make information useful to the viewer. |
ZakuF_Mar 8, 2020 7:24 PM
| John Walker being the chief was pretty obvious and disappointing, but the way Hondomachi uncovered the identity of John Walker was really good. Looks like kiki is still alive then. Can't wait for next episode. |
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HeroVladimir93 said: The stories of the three brilliant detectives finally converge and the identity of John Walker stands revealed. While that particular reveal was pretty obvious, considering Walker's physical appearance, the detectives' deduction skills made this episode and its mysteries exciting. With the truth revealed, I'm really looking forward to see what happens next. Just think if John Walker weren't an established suspect for us viewers, all of those mysteries would be too vague to work with. But having a suspect, you can use that assumption to formulate ideas on how the mysteries are connected. |
| Like expected the cheif was JW all along. Even so, getting to this point has been a pretty good ride. It'll be interesting to see how they wrap things up in the next couple episodes. |
| finally! JW in the flesh! I re-watched the times the events and explanation of the case. I'm at awe.....excited to see the next one. |
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| good episode was hoping it wasn't the more obvious choice but we still got 2 more episodes ,knew Kiki was the core but the chairman saying shes up feels like there's gonna be something else she'll do D: |
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| I have suspected the chief of being John Walker, but now finding out that was true I am disappointed.... fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.... |
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JakkoFourEyes said: Is it me, or was that whole 7 thing kind of an asspull? None of that information she used to reach that conclusion was available to us (unless I missed it), so we kinda have to take it as is. Yeah I don't think that kind of information was available to us, but if you remember in the first episode, the Perforator only had 7 actual victims. So we only have that information that could lead us to that conclusion. In fairness though, she was able to figure out that information by herself with the help of Narihisago's information, without him telling her about it. ferdievonaegir said: honestly yeah i thought the whole numbers and arithnomania thing was an asspull too but hey anything goes right How was the arithmomania an asspull though? Even if it was only in the previous episode, you can still see that he wrote tons of numbers on the side of the Mizunohame. Also in the first episode, in Fukuda's well, the calendar had perfectly aligned dates, which means he perfectly remembers what the days and dates were in that month, even though it was already a long time after that time period. (I would have posted some pictures, but I can't seem to figure out where to upload them myself to connect them here.) Why he drilled a hole in his head made sense after we realised he had arithmomania, since it would lower some of his brain functions, thus most likely stopping his aritmomania (but I have no idea how one would survive that). If you want to know how Narihisago figured out why Fukuda's favourite number is 3, you can check this picture I found in Reddit:  As you can see, his whole outfit is made up in things of threes. I didn't even think for a second that their outfits can be related to their personalities in any way, but I was wrong. It goes further, by the way:  |
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| Btw I like how none of the cops/agents were really surprised that the chief was JW. They were like:  That just also shows that it wasn't supposed to be a surpirse to us viewers either. |
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Tellatez said: John Walker being the chief was pretty obvious and disappointing, but the way Hondomachi uncovered the identity of John Walker was really good. Looks like kiki is still alive then. Can't wait for next episode. Why was it disapointing? While it was obvious I found the journey to uncover him was done brilliantly. |
| I actually am curious how this is resolved in 2 episodes. Togo's confession was hilarious in the dub! Hopefully the ending sticks the landing considering how well everything prior was handled |
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| now in this episode all story connected .. damnn i love this animee |
| nailed it... I knew it... but kinda sad... and disappointed because the CLUE already laid down since episode 8 after the closer look at john walker... and kiki asukai I knew it she wasn't dead but used as someone mention it in a forum... overall good episode but kinda sad that it easy to predict the antagonist |
Vindicater said: Tellatez said: John Walker being the chief was pretty obvious and disappointing, but the way Hondomachi uncovered the identity of John Walker was really good. Looks like kiki is still alive then. Can't wait for next episode. Why was it disapointing? While it was obvious I found the journey to uncover him was done brilliantly. because he wanted to be hard and not to be easy to predict... sometimes people hard to be satisfied.. |
jd2001z said: JakkoFourEyes said: Is it me, or was that whole 7 thing kind of an asspull? None of that information she used to reach that conclusion was available to us (unless I missed it), so we kinda have to take it as is. Yeah I don't think that kind of information was available to us, but if you remember in the first episode, the Perforator only had 7 actual victims. So we only have that information that could lead us to that conclusion. In fairness though, she was able to figure out that information by herself with the help of Narihisago's information, without him telling her about it. ferdievonaegir said: honestly yeah i thought the whole numbers and arithnomania thing was an asspull too but hey anything goes right How was the arithmomania an asspull though? Even if it was only in the previous episode, you can still see that he wrote tons of numbers on the side of the Mizunohame. Also in the first episode, in Fukuda's well, the calendar had perfectly aligned dates, which means he perfectly remembers what the days and dates were in that month, even though it was already a long time after that time period. (I would have posted some pictures, but I can't seem to figure out where to upload them myself to connect them here.) Why he drilled a hole in his head made sense after we realised he had arithmomania, since it would lower some of his brain functions, thus most likely stopping his aritmomania (but I have no idea how one would survive that). If you want to know how Narihisago figured out why Fukuda's favourite number is 3, you can check this picture I found in Reddit: As you can see, his whole outfit is made up in things of threes. I didn't even think for a second that their outfits can be related to their personalities in any way, but I was wrong. It goes further, by the way: oh my god... can you link any other small detail you find... i am interested in that |
| With all the chaos going on, can we take a minute to praise the brilliant detectives especially Anaido for not going crazy out there and being the best support. Damn I like this guy even more now. |
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| I knew! So far, my theory is right but I honestly have no idea how this is all going to end. This might have seemed predictable but like I've said before; I think the big reveal was never meant to be WHO John Walker is but WHY John Walker is. The last 2 episodes are gonna be incredible! This anime is so underrated and it's a damn shame. |
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| oh! interesting! so the true Johnny Walker is none other than Chief Hayaseura Takuhiko! what the!? cyborg Kiki Asukai? damn cliffhanger! 5/5. |
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| I don't need to state the obvious that the Chief who ratted Director Momoki out was John Walker all along, but how this show managed to encapsulate was just SO WELL DONE. Not the WHO, but WHY is he John Walker in the first place. With Kura now knowing that Sakaido being trapped in the ID:Well by the Mizuhanome, they can't afford to lose anymore information. As for Fukuda, more than his brain-drilled self, his means of escapism is how John Walker would do the same, just not very aptly in facing death. Same with Hondomachi with the changes to the ID:Well through the cockpit intercepting different wells, the main thing now is to get these three detectives together and solve the case behind John Walker. All of John Walker's lackeys, albeit arrested in the real world, done with their own purpose...or rather their traces that helped him gain collective manipulative efforts. For the Hondomachi that can intercept wells within wells, all she needs are lead and resolutions to people affiliated with John Walker (e.g. the Fukuda before he was arrested for brillant detective experiments). Back to Director Momoki's place, all that talk about the cognitive particles and such the past few episodes, all are about to be revealed. With the extraction of Hondomachi in Sakaido's ID:Well, and the chief being found out, all that's left is to solve Kaeru a.k.a Kiki Asukai's killings in the ID:Wells from the beginning. Dreams that leads to pleasures to kill. "As if he were God created from the world..." that is the Chief Hayasekura, and the "resurrected" Kiki Asukai that looks the same, but in a very different fashion. Seems to me that she is his Mizuhanome...or that could be just speculation. The final epilogue...this battle's truly gonna be a good one! |
KANLen09Mar 10, 2020 4:39 AM
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| john walker reveal is a bit letdown, I expected something grander but oh well that's good for now because the bigger and biggest twist will be in the last two episodes, hyped! About Kiki, just my guess, is that the chief is trying to turn her into a telepathic weapon of some sort lol Hondomachi is amazing, and Anaido is a living computer with that number memory |
| Anime is fun. |
| Just binged all 11 episodes and enjoyed it... But isn't there a plot hole of how the id well of Narihisago got "masked" as Momoki's id well with the desert landscape, etc. How could an id well be manipulated that way? I guess it could all be swept under the carpet of "we don't really know how the Mizuhonome works" and the chief/John Walker and the inventor of the Mizuhonome somehow invented the whole id well exploration thing so they could hide from everyone else that Id Wells can actually be externally manipulated |
ShanAsuna said: Just binged all 11 episodes and enjoyed it... But isn't there a plot hole of how the id well of Narihisago got "masked" as Momoki's id well with the desert landscape, etc. How could an id well be manipulated that way? I guess it could all be swept under the carpet of "we don't really know how the Mizuhonome works" and the chief/John Walker and the inventor of the Mizuhonome somehow invented the whole id well exploration thing so they could hide from everyone else that Id Wells can actually be externally manipulated First well was from the moment Narihisago shot Challenger, second one from end of Ep 3, it was 3 years between both wells. Also they mentioned something about Mizuhonome hiding actual well, because Narihisago was inside his own well |
NovaMagic said: Of course they make the most obvious guy to be the main villain, it's ERASED all over again.... That's what everyone who doesn't understand this series complains about. Just read the comments...... |
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Marinate1016 said: I was today years old when I realised I had been pronouncing this show name wrong for three months. I'd been saying "Eye dee" Invaded instead of ID as in the id wells lmao. It wasn't until I saw the katakana that I realised that. sorry but I still don't know how pronounce this. could you give me like to google translate or other website that could pronounce this? |
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