Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans Episode 23 Discussion

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dokidokidoing said:

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Me too!!!
Hhahaha it's strange, but I like McGuillis and Gaelio so much!

RIP Carta.. I like her.. and what a terrible death :(

You do realise he's playing both of them like a fiddle, right?

Yeah, but Orga is annoying me with his words about revenge, but when the shit happens he goes to bedroom ¬¬

Mar 13, 2016 9:45 AM

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Valkata said:
I really don't understand what is all that love for McGillis. Don't people see that he knew that Mika would crush her and kill her ? In fact if I remember his speach, he was saying about Carta and Gaelio "they WERE my friends", he is playing them both on his fingers. Mika is a beast, but he will never betray anyone from Tekkadan, unless they betray him.

I agree with you, I like how Mikazuki is a savage, but he has responsability with his actions, but Orga don't have responsability with his decisions.

Mar 13, 2016 9:45 AM

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GhostofSide6 said:
Wow, Mika just defeated three mobile suits by himself without even breaking a sweat. Riveting. What an interesting protagonist.
Sarcasm? What's that?

Also, all this talk of revenge can only mean one thing: they're going to learn about the endless cycle of revenge. And judging by how ruthless the series has been up until now, i can only assume that they are gonna have to learn the hard way (read: everybody's gonna fucking die).

I still hope this series doesn't go down the path of cheap forgiveness like most other Gundams though, since forgiveness is meaningless without atonement. Cycle of revenge is bad, but cheap forgiveness is worse IMO.

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Mar 13, 2016 9:49 AM

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A-Knight said:

GhostofSide6 said:
Wow, Mika just defeated three mobile suits by himself without even breaking a sweat. Riveting. What an interesting protagonist.
Sarcasm? What's that?

Also, all this talk of revenge can only mean one thing: they're going to learn about the endless cycle of revenge. And judging by how ruthless the series has been up until now, i can only assume that they are gonna have to learn the hard way (read: everybody's gonna fucking die).

I still hope this series doesn't go down the path of cheap forgiveness like most other Gundams though, since forgiveness is meaningless without atonement. Cycle of revenge is bad, but cheap forgiveness is worse IMO.

I think that Cycle of Forgiveness will just happen at the final of season 2.

AND... Im thinking better and I guess Carta didn't die!

Mar 13, 2016 9:56 AM

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they turned Ein into a mobile suit and damn Mika that was brutal

Mar 13, 2016 10:03 AM

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Hypocritical anime, Tekkadan killed a whole bunch of people, a WHOLE BUNCH. Then Biscuit dies and they go mad with desire for vengeance?

Carta and her men recieved a valuable lesson in battlefield conduct. Too bad they didn't stick around to benefit from this knowledge.

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Mar 13, 2016 10:13 AM

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Fantastic episode.

Mika was absolutely savage!
I suppose he knows the reality of war all too well, There's no pride or honor in it just kill or be killed. The OST during the fight made it so much better

Not sure if Tekkadan dwelling on revenge is a good motive for them to move forward but it's the thing that's holding them together now.

Ain was fused into the Gundam? Did not expect that.

Not like she played a huge role but R.I.P Carta.

Mar 13, 2016 10:21 AM

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This has some of the worst character development I've ever seen......... and its almost 3edgy5me.

Mar 13, 2016 10:22 AM

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What a violent and savage fight. Really like the symbolism when they closed up Barbatos with water on the head, representing Mika's tears... at the same time his anger for the death of Biscuit.

The Kimaris looked pretty cool looking like a knight with horse.

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Mar 13, 2016 10:36 AM

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Man that was brutal.
Kinda horrific at some point.

Mar 13, 2016 10:38 AM

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This is all part of McGillis plans to get Carta dead.

What freaked me out that I didn't notice before was that all of Carta's minions were all hand picked to look like McGillis. Man she was obsessed with him.

Mar 13, 2016 10:57 AM

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Anyone else get goosebumps when that orchestral variation of the main theme played briefly near the end?

Can't wait for the OST

Mar 13, 2016 11:09 AM

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I have to say that Carta's death was moving, and even now I'm still wondering who to back. And which side should come out.

On the other hand, I kinda like Mika even more, I mean I bet he knows the "Death" game of the world, there is no room for a good old school battle, it's kill or be killed plain and simple.

Anyone know when they are going to release the dubbed ver? (I'm hoping it's done well to seal off this amazing package)

Mar 13, 2016 11:16 AM

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Spykr_Magio said:
This is all part of McGillis plans to get Carta dead.

What freaked me out that I didn't notice before was that all of Carta's minions were all hand picked to look like McGillis. Man she was obsessed with him.

You want to say: She was in love with him.

Mar 13, 2016 11:18 AM

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I think things are getting a bit too bloody and violent for Merribit. She'll probably be leaving Tekkadan.

I disliked Carta, but damn I was feeling bad for her when Mikazuki was brutally and mercilessly beating her down. However, did she really think that she could negotiate a fair fight with a bunch of "space rats"? Especially after she killed one of Tekkadan's own.

Mar 13, 2016 11:22 AM

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Hmm..

With this episode, I am not too sure if Sunrise is taking this series seriously.. Why do they not have enough budget to animate this consistently or even take it up a notch? Slightly disappointed

Still like the episode nonetheless (as a Gundam fan)

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Mar 13, 2016 11:59 AM

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That crying barbatos looks horrifying.

Kind of ironic how Carta wanted a fair fight yet two episodes ago she chased the mobile suit worker with Buscuit and Orga in it while she was fighting Mika. Anyways seeing Mika crush all those mechs was so satisfying.

dokidokidoing said:

Celinha87 said:

Me too!!!
Hhahaha it's strange, but I like McGuillis and Gaelio so much!

RIP Carta.. I like her.. and what a terrible death :(

You do realise he's playing both of them like a fiddle, right?

Yep just like Char

Mar 13, 2016 12:16 PM

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Mika was quite ruthless in this episode.

Mar 13, 2016 12:31 PM

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Z4k said:

dokidokidoing said:

You do realise he's playing both of them like a fiddle, right?

Yep just like Char

That's it! McGuillis is just the perfect Char Clone, he has the same personality.

Mar 13, 2016 12:50 PM

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luccide said:
Hmm..

With this episode, I am not too sure if Sunrise is taking this series seriously.. Why do they not have enough budget to animate this consistently or even take it up a notch? Slightly disappointed

Still like the episode nonetheless (as a Gundam fan)

Most of their better animators are tied up on Thunderbolt and Origin right now. More than likely a lot of this series gets outsourced unfortunately

Mar 13, 2016 1:04 PM

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Am I the only that feels like Tekkadan's more of an antagonist group role while the other's are the protagonists, these kids are scary as fck, not that I dont understand where they're coming from, I mean at a young age they had been abused and experimented on with those "araya shiki" but damn..... especially Mika, if they continue on like this then they'll most likely die.

At least it isnt a far stretch to say that Mika wanted to reach the place that Orga was talking about turns out to become the after life, at least there you wont need food and a place to rest lol.

Mar 13, 2016 1:12 PM

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Ein is now a Gundam *Setsuna glaring darts of jealousy in the distance*

I liked Carta tbh, but she was fucking dumb this is war dumbass no one ain't gonna wait for you to finish talking or give you a fair duel especially after you killed one of their members. Her death was sad R.I.P.

Mika being savage never gets old.

"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD"

Mar 13, 2016 1:41 PM

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I don't know, Mikazuki seems like such a one-dimensional character and half of the time it seems like he's not the main lead but a side character! He's just there to operate the Gundam he's not participating in any other activities..

Mar 13, 2016 1:42 PM

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Wow Carta stayed true to her ideals to the very end. Expecting a fair fight from Tekkadan after killing one of them was her last mistake though.

I keep asking this every week, but HOW are they gonna wrap this up in TWO episodes?

Mar 13, 2016 1:53 PM

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Man...I am really sad for Carta's death, cause I found her sillyness to be pretty endearing.

McGillis is such an asshole, holy shit. I am pretty sure he is using Carta's death as tool to destabilise his father's position.
And then when Gaelio dies and he marries Almiria, he has become the heir to the Bauduin family.

So, McGillis two "friends" might really be helping "reform" Gjallarhorn.

Mar 13, 2016 2:11 PM

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GhostofSide6 said:
Wow, Mika just defeated three mobile suits by himself without even breaking a sweat. Riveting. What an interesting protagonist.
Sarcasm? What's that?

Also, all this talk of revenge can only mean one thing: they're going to learn about the endless cycle of revenge. And judging by how ruthless the series has been up until now, i can only assume that they are gonna have to learn the hard way (read: everybody's gonna fucking die).

Technically, he didn't defeat any suits, he slaughtered them. And they are pretty much grunts, with horrible pilots as proven in previous episodes.

Mar 13, 2016 2:12 PM

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Brobot said:
so ein became a robot? setsuna from 00 would be pretty jealous if he saw that. it's also funny to see okada kinda reusing a plot point of her last series m3.

carta's death was really brutal, even barbatos was crying

At least Setsuna can walk around outside of the 00 Quanta, Ein is pretty much stuck in there I bet.

Mar 13, 2016 2:14 PM

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Psycho_Shin_Ken said:
I hope Carta is not really dead.

She barely did anything , save for killing Biscuit, and had so few screentime for a major antagonist, Ein probably will be more relevant to the plot than her, what a shame....

Well, we saw Ein since the first episode, so it makes sense if he has more screen time.
Besides, pretty sure Carta is dead, you could see her iris go dull, and all her McGuillis minions are dead, there's nothing left for her basically.

Mar 13, 2016 2:15 PM

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agrg25 said:
let's just say for any reason, could and would mika kill kudelia?

Sure, of course, it's not like he's after her tits or pussy.

Mar 13, 2016 2:18 PM

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Harotaros said:
For some reason, I started to not care or feel anything towards the Tekkadan crew a few episodes back. I felt sadder seeing Carta's death than when i saw Biscuits.

Gaelio (Ein in second) is probably my favorite character in this series since i felt more attached to him than i do with any of the Tekkadan crew. Earlier in the series, Akihiro had the brother thing going on which was nice, but since then he hasn't grown that much.

Somewhat agree, Mika is starting to give that Jesus Yamato feel.

Mar 13, 2016 2:26 PM

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eljay518 said:
Great episode! The way this show keeps throwing in your face how honorable the antagonists are make me like them so much lol. But then i rememeber how ghallarhorn has is corrupt ruling organization.

Mika is so god damn RUTHLESS!
I hear a lot of revenge talk on mikas part in this post and I kinda disagree. In that entire fight not once do you see him say "this is for biscuit!" b4 the deathblow or anything along those lines he actually even says something like "I gotta kill you kuz your in my way" which makes me believe mika is really just a sociopath on the low.
Last episode he wanted bodies to kill and hey guess what he got em!
He's starting to remind me less of heero yuy and more like dexter lol

lol, he's nothing like Heero or Setsuna. In the discussion from last episode, I stated that Mika makes the other two look like Disney princes in comparison, and I stand corrected.

Mar 13, 2016 2:27 PM

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yuriski said:
Man...I am really sad for Carta's death, cause I found her sillyness to be pretty endearing.

McGillis is such an asshole, holy shit. I am pretty sure he is using Carta's death as tool to destabilise his father's position.
And then when Gaelio dies and he marries Almiria, he has become the heir to the Bauduin family.

So, McGillis two "friends" might really be helping "reform" Gjallarhorn.

It's a possibility and shows how McGuillis is similar with a MONSTER like his father.

Mar 13, 2016 2:41 PM

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HatsumiShinogu said:
While I like McGillis, wasn't he only fooling Carta? I bet he knew that she liked him and he used that to his advantage. I hate that he's trying to use Gaelio as well and I really hope that Gaelio doesn't end up killing him. That sure would be sad and tragic. Well, if Gaelio doesn't die, that is.

Come on, isn't that obvious? He's a Char clone for Christ sake, and a very good one at that. I think he is the second best Char clone, right after Rau Le Creuset.

Mar 13, 2016 2:44 PM

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Valkata said:
I really don't understand what is all that love for McGillis. Don't people see that he knew that Mika would crush her and kill her ? In fact if I remember his speach, he was saying about Carta and Gaelio "they WERE my friends", he is playing them both on his fingers. Mika is a beast, but he will never betray anyone from Tekkadan, unless they betray him.

That's what makes him so likable, he's a very good Char clone, just like Rau Le Creuset.

Mar 13, 2016 2:46 PM

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That was cruel. Somehow I'm starting to root for Gjallarhorn, I don't know why.

Mar 13, 2016 2:46 PM

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What a tense & brutal episode. I feel sorry for Carta. No mercy from Mika until he hears Carta calls out for McGillis. And Ein is now a Gundam and that might be problem for the rest of Tekkadan, especially for those piloting the mobile workers. Also, this episode our protagonists seem almost villainous.

Not me The bitch Got what she deserved she killed a friend what was Punished Mika supposed to do ? I say fuck that he did the right thing They should keeping with this mind set.

Mar 13, 2016 2:48 PM

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Spykr_Magio said:
This is all part of McGillis plans to get Carta dead.

What freaked me out that I didn't notice before was that all of Carta's minions were all hand picked to look like McGillis. Man she was obsessed with him.

Come on, I thought that was pretty obvious after seeing their first flashback.

Mar 13, 2016 2:49 PM

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Harotaros said:
For some reason, I started to not care or feel anything towards the Tekkadan crew a few episodes back. I felt sadder seeing Carta's death than when i saw Biscuits.

Gaelio (Ein in second) is probably my favorite character in this series since i felt more attached to him than i do with any of the Tekkadan crew. Earlier in the series, Akihiro had the brother thing going on which was nice, but since then he hasn't grown that much.

Somewhat agree, Mika is starting to give that Jesus Yamato feel.

NOPE not even Kira is a guy who Never shuts up about war is Wrong Blah Blah Blah Mika on the other Has no time Bullshit and if anyone piss him off their dead its really that simple

Mar 13, 2016 2:52 PM

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Delmat said:
I don't know, Mikazuki seems like such a one-dimensional character and half of the time it seems like he's not the main lead but a side character! He's just there to operate the Gundam he's not participating in any other activities..

Huh what ? pretty sure this episodes and the ones before it have made it very clear he is not one-dimensional I think your confusing that for Gundam seed Pls show me evidence of this he doesn't preach about how war is bad like the other Gundam MC ( minus Heero ) setsuna kinda did at the end of season 2 saying war is wrong

Mar 13, 2016 2:57 PM

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ZingFreelancer said:
Hypocritical anime, Tekkadan killed a whole bunch of people, a WHOLE BUNCH. Then Biscuit dies and they go mad with desire for vengeance?

Carta and her med recieved a valuable lesson in battlefield conduct. Too bad they didn't stick around to benefit from this knowledge.

Fuck Carta and those Rich assholes what ever they get makes me Happy

Mar 13, 2016 2:57 PM

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Wow Carta stayed true to her ideals to the very end. Expecting a fair fight from Tekkadan after killing one of them was her last mistake though.

I keep asking this every week, but HOW are they gonna wrap this up in TWO episodes?

They don't, especially after they revealed that there will be a season 2. Pretty sure this was a haste attempt at redemption after the horrible G no Reconguista.

Mar 13, 2016 2:58 PM

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I laughed at 3d birds, they just look so cheap and fake.

Not a fan of the current development for Tekkadan kids, especially Ride and Takaki. I hope they'll snap out of it before more than half of the group is killed.

I feel sorry for Carta, she was underutilized as a character. McGillis seems less and less sympatethic. Gaelio is good so he'll probably die soon.

So, if the side materials say Carta's 17. that makes Chocolate Man and Gali-Gali like... 15? She looks older than them in the flashbacks.

Mar 13, 2016 2:59 PM

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Reite said:
I laughed at 3d birds, they just look so cheap and fake.

Not a fan of the current development for Tekkadan kids, especially Ride and Takaki. I hope they'll snap out of it before more than half of the group is killed.

I feel sorry for Carta, she was underutilized as a character. McGillis seems less and less sympatethic. Gaelio is good so he'll probably die soon.

So, if the side materials say Carta's 17. that makes Chocolate Man and Gali-Gali like... 15? She looks older than them in the flashbacks.

Maybe she matured faster

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Reite said:
I laughed at 3d birds, they just look so cheap and fake.

Not a fan of the current development for Tekkadan kids, especially Ride and Takaki. I hope they'll snap out of it before more than half of the group is killed.

I feel sorry for Carta, she was underutilized as a character. McGillis seems less and less sympatethic. Gaelio is good so he'll probably die soon.

So, if the side materials say Carta's 17. that makes Chocolate Man and Gali-Gali like... 15? She looks older than them in the flashbacks.

I like where Tekkadan is going their Humans that are pissed off about what happen to one of their one, It would be very strange if they didn't get pissed off which is why I love IBO its kinda realistic in that sense .

Mar 13, 2016 3:03 PM

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Carta got what she deserved in the end.

Mar 13, 2016 3:04 PM

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AnimeFan500 said:
Carta got what she deserved in the end.

This man Understands :) Thank you

Mar 13, 2016 3:14 PM

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I like where Tekkadan is going their Humans that are pissed off about what happen to one of their one, It would be very strange if they didn't get pissed off which is why I love IBO its kinda realistic in that sense .

It's not the first time one of their own got killed. Remember Shino's squad? They had a funeral, but no one swore revenge for them.
I know Biscuit is a main character for us viewers, but for Tekkadan, every member should be of the same emotional importance. And those guys just got ignored because they were extras...

But you're right, it is realistic, because they're behaving like children they are.

Mar 13, 2016 3:29 PM

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