Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
zombieiscoming said: DarklordVor said: I thought I've been telling people to lower any expectation since episode 13 lol. . Yeah! I actually did it in episode 13. Have you forgotten? :)). But episode 15 and then episode 18...... Oh god why lol Yeah I know, but as I said, just get use to it lol. I already kept my expectation low ever since episode 13 and then everything feels "meh, it's fine" on episode 14 onward. Otherwise you all would see a constant stream of me shitposting about how this and that scene were removed (although I did that on episode 21... but not as much as episode 12-13). DarkingDawning said: @DarklordVor Seriously, what happened to you? It's as if you're a complete different person right now. Being okay with calling Rem fans "Remfags" that triggered you, being okay with the ending of Re:Zero, being okay with them not adapting the third epilogue or whatever epilogue that last part of arc 3 is and finally removed Rem from your favorites list. This is a complete different from the DarklordVor of episode 4-15 that I knew (before he went completely dramatic from episode 16-19 and back to normal on episode 20) I don't think I was being dramatic that long.... wasn't it only for two weeks? Remfags is simply Remfags, what else do you want to call it? Crazy Rem fans who wanted her in every scene of the story? I still like Rem and all, that I'm pre-ordering that VN, but I no longer obsessing for her as much as I'm obsessing over Kotori or Biribiri. Removing Rem from my favorites is obvious. |
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Jagd84 said: DarklordVor said: I know that there is no way an author would've bashed his own anime, unless he wanted an absolute confirmation of no season 2. But I can feel that he's deep inside thinking "man, I wrote this stuff to be so godly popular to live to the hype, but it got chopped up so badly through the end and it didn't go as much as I wanted. So I hope you guys will read my original intention of volume 9" kind of feeling. He could've just promote volume 9 without saying anything about the pacing, but he did. So that's what I think. I just feel terrible to most authors because sometimes they have little to no say on the anime because of these constraints. Almost all authors wanted all of their writings to be adapted, but we all know it's impossible and deep inside the authors are a bit disappointed because some scenes were probably explained in details with good imagery in his head. It's not really about bashing the anime. An adaptation is not meant to be 1:1 in the first place. It can't be because of the different format. Yes it would it be good get every single detail from the source animated, but it's not realistic. That doesn't mean the adaptation is suddenly butchered and rendered unenjoyable. WF has been incredibly faith to source and gone above what most studios do for their shows because their clearly loved the work. Turning around resenting them for it not being perfect is pretty short-sighted. WF didn't have to do this and bring on Tappei as a consultant, they could have just done their own thing with it like so many adaptations. Re:Zero was never something he created with an intent to be made into anime or LN in the first place, so if anything he's probably this happening at all and his work is so highly valued. Yes we all know a 1:1 adaptation is impossible (except apparently episode 18), even the masterpiece Steins;Gate had to butcher the date chapters and changed a bit of the story towards the end, but they did it perfectly without destroying the important scenes or details. It's just that when you became a big fan to the story of the series, but it get butchered a lot in the arc 3, you got a bit disappointed. They did good for the arc 1 and arc 2 without rushing much of anything (amazing animation from Elsa to Rem vs beasts). Then it "sorta" went downhill for me with the exception of episode 15 and 18. Of course I can't held WF responsible for most of my disappointment toward arc 3, because mostly of the time and budget constraints. They sure love their work, but probably put their love more on arc 1 and 2 rather than 3 (again, with the exception of episode 15 and 18). |
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| Can someone tell me, why are Felt and Reinhard so irrelevant af? |
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| Maybe, just maybe, this episode was sped up so that the last episode can flow better. Additionally, isn't it like a minute longer too? Even if it doesn't sound like much, it's still extra time. After episode 7 and 15 everyone was like "White Fox is the best" and after "these" episodes.. (they probably aren't responsible for any scene that got cut out anyway) How about watching the next episode first before we start a(n unnecessary) ruckus about it? |
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DarklordVor said: DarkingDawning said: @DarklordVor Seriously, what happened to you? It's as if you're a complete different person right now. Being okay with calling Rem fans "Remfags" that triggered you, being okay with the ending of Re:Zero, being okay with them not adapting the third epilogue or whatever epilogue that last part of arc 3 is and finally removed Rem from your favorites list. This is a complete different from the DarklordVor of episode 4-15 that I knew (before he went completely dramatic from episode 16-19 and back to normal on episode 20) I don't think I was being dramatic that long.... wasn't it only for two weeks? Remfags is simply Remfags, what else do you want to call it? Crazy Rem fans who wanted her in every scene of the story? I still like Rem and all, that I'm pre-ordering that VN, but I no longer obsessing for her as much as I'm obsessing over Kotori or Biribiri. Removing Rem from my favorites is obvious. You're the least person I expect to say that. You kept defending Rem like an obsessed person during the whole arc 2 where people called her a bitch. |
DarkingDawning said: DarklordVor said: I don't think I was being dramatic that long.... wasn't it only for two weeks? Remfags is simply Remfags, what else do you want to call it? Crazy Rem fans who wanted her in every scene of the story? I still like Rem and all, that I'm pre-ordering that VN, but I no longer obsessing for her as much as I'm obsessing over Kotori or Biribiri. Removing Rem from my favorites is obvious. You're the least person I expect to say that. You kept defending Rem like an obsessed person during the whole arc 2 where people called her a bitch. I didn't say I got bored of Rem. I'm still gonna buy the VN and play her route. It's just that |
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DarklordVor said: DarkingDawning said: You're the least person I expect to say that. You kept defending Rem like an obsessed person during the whole arc 2 where people called her a bitch. I didn't say I got bored of Rem. I'm still gonna buy the VN and play her route. It's just that I think I can understand what you're saying. |
| Waiting for ep25 is a lot easier that I first thought because you just don't how they will handle it. And making theories about it just make you go crazy. Actual the anime for me is already finished not because I didn't like the last 3 episodes too much, most important now is that Tappei goes back to resume updating the Web Novel. And I'm eager for moar Rem merch in the future :3 $_$ |
DarkingDawning said: DarklordVor said: I didn't say I got bored of Rem. I'm still gonna buy the VN and play her route. It's just that I think I can understand what you're saying. |
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| Jesus all this negativity is annoying the hell out of me. Tappei really wasn't wrong in saying that people are easy to complain about stuff and look past all the positive sides of something. The amount of straight up disrespect and 180 regarding White Fox and what this adaptation does makes me question what people understand under an adaptation in the first place. Producing 1 1/2 cours without any complaints and with 24 minutes extra content but if you're then forced to do directive choices due to time constraints for a few episodes you suddenly get criticized like hell. |
Rehls said: @Fappa By the way, someone said something about this 25 episode series being tiring for the animators and such... What are your thoughts on this? I wonder if it's something that happens. Because why hasn't this happened with MadHouse, for example? With Hunter x Hunter remake. 2 cour series are always tiring for animators, it just depends how much of this reaches the surface. The longer a production continues the more problems occur that push the development of an episode one or two steps back which is influential on the rest of the entire production. Let's say in a random show a few problems occurred in episode 3 that pushes the episode a few days past its schedule. This will have an influence on every episode after this one mostly in terms of time they can invest in drawing key frames, supervising animation, cutting, dubbing etc. If you have a 2 cour series more problems can and will occur and not only that, they will also be influential on a bigger amount of content. I repeat myself. The fact that it took the production in White Fox that long to have a noticeable decrease in quality is nothing short of remarkable. It really helps to pick randoms shows and watch episode 1, 4, 8 and 12. In majority of the shows the quality noticeably decreases after the first 3-4 episodes and sometimes it even takes a nosedive. At this point all you have to do is to minimize the decrease as much as possible because you most likely won't recover. You can't just push back the release date for every delay that happened. You have a deadline and every problem that happens will result in less quality. Taking Hunter x Hunter as an example while giving Madhouse the full credit for it is a bit iffy. To my knowledge HxH was a special production much like Space Dandy or OPM where multiple people within the industry gathered for one single project. If you have the big shots of the industry working together some lvl of standard is to be expected and naturally the amount of mistakes are less than in your "usual production". A long running show like HxH also has a lot more prep time than you mere 1 or 2 cour show. The production team needs to have some episodes produced in advance so that any delays or occurring have as small of an impact as possible. When I see question like these I really love to point people towards Shirobako which showcases this major problem in the production of anime. In there A good example for a production disaster is this season's 91 days. It had to do a recap episode which screams chaos. |
FappaSep 12, 2016 1:23 PM
| Hey, I've been lurking here for a while but I just got a quick question: how do you source readers think Arc 4 stacks up to the arcs shown in this season from a quality perspective? Unless there's a huge drop in quality I will probably end up enjoying the (potential) second season either way but it would be nice to know how much I should look forward to it. |
Lohuydahutt said: Hey, I've been lurking here for a while but I just got a quick question: how do you source readers think Arc 4 stacks up to the arcs shown in this season from a quality perspective? Unless there's a huge drop in quality I will probably end up enjoying the (potential) second season either way but it would be nice to know how much I should look forward to it. The end of arc 3 marks pretty much the end of the start. The quality pretty much skyrockets with the 4th arc as things like world building, connections, reveals happen in a large quantity. So if we get to see the 4th arc it will be most likely far superior to the first season depending on how they handle it. |
DarklordVor said: Jagd84 said: It's not really about bashing the anime. An adaptation is not meant to be 1:1 in the first place. It can't be because of the different format. Yes it would it be good get every single detail from the source animated, but it's not realistic. That doesn't mean the adaptation is suddenly butchered and rendered unenjoyable. WF has been incredibly faith to source and gone above what most studios do for their shows because their clearly loved the work. Turning around resenting them for it not being perfect is pretty short-sighted. WF didn't have to do this and bring on Tappei as a consultant, they could have just done their own thing with it like so many adaptations. Re:Zero was never something he created with an intent to be made into anime or LN in the first place, so if anything he's probably this happening at all and his work is so highly valued. Yes we all know a 1:1 adaptation is impossible (except apparently episode 18), even the masterpiece Steins;Gate had to butcher the date chapters and changed a bit of the story towards the end, but they did it perfectly without destroying the important scenes or details. It's just that when you became a big fan to the story of the series, but it get butchered a lot in the arc 3, you got a bit disappointed. They did good for the arc 1 and arc 2 without rushing much of anything (amazing animation from Elsa to Rem vs beasts). Then it "sorta" went downhill for me with the exception of episode 15 and 18. Of course I can't held WF responsible for most of my disappointment toward arc 3, because mostly of the time and budget constraints. They sure love their work, but probably put their love more on arc 1 and 2 rather than 3 (again, with the exception of episode 15 and 18). Personally I can't say that I agree. Budget and animation it's been consistent throughout all 3 arcs. The first had pretty average looking episodes (4, 5, 9). I also thought the entire of Arc 3 has been great so far. Sure 15 and 18 some of best episodes in anime, but rest most great. Ep 13, 14, 16, 19, 20, 21 and 23 were particular stand outs. If anything I feel that some people way too entitled. Any Tokyo Ghoul fan would wish it's majority of episodes were at least as good ep 24 (wasn't even bad). |
Iron_MawSep 13, 2016 12:58 AM
IMTLD said: I think most ppl justify bad quality in later episode saying it is long show and such, but seriously it is their damned job it is the same as saying any employees can start slacking off in the second half of the year It's not about justifying anything but about realizing what the standards are in this process of production. Really, in the end it depends on how much knowledge you have about the process of creating anime and where your expectations are. Your comparison doesn't really work here because the production of anime in itself is a faulty process or in other words a process that is bound to have problems. The thing is these problems have an immense amount of consequences for the rest of the production so that the team involved in the production rather have to worry about how much they will be affected by it and not if they will be affected at all. An anime production is a process with multiple deadlines that have to be met and multiple "stops" that can cause problems and delays. If one tiny cog in this big machine malfunctions or is missing entirely the whole process has to be halted and the end product is delayed. Since they simply can't push back the release date of the later episodes they have to work with less resources ( Time and personal ) which is recognizable in the overall quality. Once again this is a common problem and appears in pretty much any production. Blaming them for having a decreasing quality after that many episodes is like blaming the producer of a product because his food is not good anymore after several days. It is bound to happen and one looks at it differently depending on his knowledge and expectations. If you weren't aware that food getting bad over time is a normal process you would see it as something bad in particular for this dish. If you know about this process you look at it in a way that says "Hey, it really took long for it to become bad nice!" That's essentially what's the case here. What we witnessed this past episode is bound to happen but the fact that they managed to keep up the quality for this long, especially with all the extra content is a positive achievement in terms of the production. To give you 3 counter examples. 91 Days failed in that aspect as they had to do a recap episode. The production problems there piled up after a few episodes and they couldn't produce the necessary content in time. Another one is Orange. Even the first episode had already an number of animation directors that went into the double digits. Oh and there was this one show whose name I can't remember that had to stop the airing entirely and restart at a later point. These are serious problems that are worthy of negative criticism not a slightly decreasing visual quality ( which is not terrible, let's be honest ) towards the end of an entire 2 cour series. |
FappaSep 12, 2016 5:38 PM
| Mess at my Re:Zero thread being deleted. Of course, anything positive regarding the show will be deleted but letting troll threads alive. |
| Down on the West Coast They got a sayin' |
| Well, can't wait for the threads next week!^^ A happy season final.  |
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IMTLD said: @Fappa First, even if the recent 99 two-cours animes had weak animation in later episodes, that doesn't justify the 100th to have bad animation. Any job in the world has complex schedule, even teaching has, and not meeting your deadline is totally your own problem, as long you get paid you should meet your deadline, even if your job is intense, did you see a doctor who performs substandard operations after time? engineers? you thing saying that they are tired due to heavy workload justify their tardiness in the business world? the problem is not in the low quality animation itself, it is how frequent this excuse has become, even if it depends of multiple people, this is a professional business. for the food example, it doesn't work that way; production happens all year along, if you once find a faulty product it is not same as failing to meet a closed-end schedule, and if production companies has a schedule and failed to meet it, it IS a problem, and they cannot just justify it by saying meaningless excuses like workload. No one is justifying the faulty Note 7 products by saying they had so many devices to produce, making a suitable schedule is a basic procedure before starting. Please, you cannot praise them for doing their very job, maintaining the high quality along all the episodes is their job. Hm.. I get the feeling most of what I said simply went right over your head or half of it either misinterpreted and disregarded :/. I told you that it's not a matter of justifying something but a matter of perspective and expectation. You clearly seem to expect that the norm is a flawless production plan according to "business", well that's not what anime production is tho. It's faulty at its very core which makes decreasing quality over the span of the production the norm. There is so much wrong with this "professional business" or how you call it that things like this are simply to be taken as the standard. And it's not an excuse but actual reality. That's exactly why the lesser evil has to be met with positivity and that's what I'm doing here. You have to adapt your expectations and open up to look at things from a new perspective. Looking at it with a "Fulfill your job and if you don't you've failed as a professional business" attitude will only bring you experiences of failure in this industry. You gotta accept its faultiness and appreciate the effort in minimizing the problems caused by this exact faultiness. |
I can be wrong but isn't this a picture from episode 15, you know when Subaru finds the corpses of the children in the barn? |
| @IMTLD Producing an anime is a huge pain. What most animators have said is that, even if the pay is less, they do this because they enjoy it. At the start of the series, they have some episodes already finished in production but as the episodes pass by, the gap between the produced episodes and next episode becomes less and less. Also at the start, they have fresh minds, whereas towards the end, it becomes a lot more hectic and stress builds up very easily. Yet they're in the constant pressure of working and producing what they've been given. Their pay is very unfair to the amount they do, especially the lower positioned animators. Then they also have to worry about sales and stuff. Overall it's a lot to come up with. As easy as it may sound, doing something over and over is very stressful. It's just as stressful as drawing a weekly 20 page manga. It's a continuous process with very little time to rest. Some animators have to stay over-night just to make the deadline. |
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Fappa said: Yeah it's Subaru from episode 15.^^I can be wrong but isn't this a picture from episode 15, you know when Subaru finds the corpses of the children in the barn? Well, this episode could be similar. |
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| Kabaneri is still high up there? Wow. Kobayashi is doing a great job tho. |
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Yeah... what the hell? |
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
@DarklordVor: Your turn. Can you translate it? lol |
| So Re:Zero is the most popular one after all. Rem most popular female, even beating Mitsuha from Your Name. Subaru 7th for males. Most tweets as well. #1 at video distrubution. Rose to 10# at DVD&BR. Looks like Re:Zero is doing well, except Subaru ofc. lol |
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| Ah now the right one is best female character and they chose the best possible picture for Re:Zero in the Top 10 ranking <3 |
| I wonder why Rem is back at the top though. |
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| @zombieiscoming Should be most popular male characters. Surprisingly Subaru is new in the top 10.^^ |
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| I was a little bit surprised at that one too, but it looks like people over there still think he is kinda badass. ^^ |
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ColdBreeze said: So Re:Zero is the most popular one after all. Rem most popular female, even beating Mitsuha from Your Name. Subaru 7th for males. Most tweets as well. #1 at video distrubution. Rose to 10# at DVD&BR. Looks like Re:Zero is doing well, except Subaru ofc. lol I'd love to kindly remind us all of the recent thread "Is Re:Zero loosing its popularity?" This is pretty much the solid proof against it :D |
This is going to be glorious. I'm so damn hyped for the discussion threads. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
| I predict more than 30 pages for the thread of the last episode. |
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Illyricus said: Only episode 15,17 and 18 had that many replies. I predict more than 30 pages for the thread of the last episode. I also think it will beat ep.18s 1/5 votes, which is kinda sad, but we are on MAL after all lol |
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Yep and half of it will people trying to make clear that this is only a tiny bit of the story and this shouldn't be taken as much xP |
Illyricus said: I predict more than 30 pages for the thread of the last episode. The mods will curse their luck. :D |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
lol, well at least someone else had translated it for you. It's interesting that a #1 top anime is only sitting on #10 BD sales. Losing to Joker Game's first half BD BOX, which is usually 2-3 more expensive than a regular BD. Illyricus said: I predict more than 30 pages for the thread of the last episode. I'm predicting so much shiposts already. |
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DarklordVor said: We must be visionaries or something, because I'm totally sure the thing you put on that spoiler will happen.Illyricus said: I predict more than 30 pages for the thread of the last episode. I'm predicting so much shiposts already. And would be beautiful. |
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| ^ That ending is a cliffhanger ending though. A big one at that if we don't get the epilogue. |
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| Whats the last episode's name? If its a name of one of the epilogues, we should be getting the full finale of Arc 3. |
11/10 http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=58974581 And WTH? 10/10 |
DirtyOldGuySep 13, 2016 8:38 PM
I'm pretty I've seen this pic before. I think it was ep 14 or 15. ColdBreeze said: So Re:Zero is the most popular one after all. Rem most popular female, even beating Mitsuha from Your Name. Subaru 7th for males. Most tweets as well. #1 at video distrubution. Rose to 10# at DVD&BR. Looks like Re:Zero is doing well, except Subaru ofc. lol BTW, Emilia's in at #8 which pretty good for someone not having a lot screentime in 2nd cour. S2 should do wonders for her. But yeah, 3 characters in the top 10 and being in the top 3 in most categories speaks will for reception and longevity of this series. I still don't care much fro Newtype rankings themselves but give the series more recognition then great. |
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