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Jun 17, 2012 7:22 AM

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I loved that!! Intense fighting - I'm glad the announcer didn't have a chance to comment.

Water test = love.

Hisoka actually has really hot eyes after he got punched. XD

LOL. "I'm getting turned on!" Hisoka. XD
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Wow, that was some superb animation.
Jun 17, 2012 9:45 AM

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awesome
Jun 17, 2012 9:47 AM

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I'm really glad with how they animated those battle scenes...totally epic...but gon should be careful from Hisoka's shining crotch hahaha.

Loved the water test and Gons glass breaking

And I can't wait to see more Kurapika...his BAness has began, can't wait to see his chains in action XD
Jun 17, 2012 10:05 AM

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Excellent episode. That one week break was well worth it.
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That was definitely worth the extra week of waiting. Hatsu and Nen is pretty deep with all the types. I dont think it was explained that well though. Like are attacks of one type just weak to another type, or can people master multiple types or just use skills from them, can one change types. What does a transmuter even do? Hope they explore Killua sometime soon as thats way more interesting than enhance in the context of fighting.

The Hisoka part was hilarious and especially win hunterpedia did it too.

But GON is plain awful, definitely becoming one of the worst lead protagonists of the year
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27CansOfTuna said:


That was definitely worth the extra week of waiting. Hatsu and Nen is pretty deep with all the types. I dont think it was explained that well though. Like are attacks of one type just weak to another type, or can people master multiple types or just use skills from them, can one change types. What does a transmuter even do? Hope they explore Killua sometime soon as thats way more interesting than enhance in the context of fighting.

The Hisoka part was hilarious and especially win hunterpedia did it too.

But GON is plain awful, definitely becoming one of the worst lead protagonists of the year


what the hell? Gon cant win! training for 4 months does not make you top tier fighter like Hisoka

Gon is still way to weak and will have to train way more than that to take Hisoka down

but still, you cant deny the progress he made in the tower, he broke the glass for god sake

anyhow, amazing animations! i cant help but to imagine the dodge ball game it will be AWESOME <3
Jun 17, 2012 10:30 AM
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@27cansoftuna

Did you forget that it was said that Hisoka already knew about nen even before the Hunter exam?

Hisoka has been training for years and even after 340 or so chapters of the manga, Gon is still nowhere near as powerful as Hisoka.

This isn't like Bleach where characters gain a 10x powerboost after doing absolutely nothing.
Jun 17, 2012 11:18 AM

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27CansOfTuna said:


The Hisoka part was hilarious and especially win hunterpedia did it too.

But GON is plain awful, definitely becoming one of the worst lead protagonists of the year


Hunter x Hunter is unlike any other shonen ,
Gon is no Ichigo nor Naruto to get 2482703 times stronger and beat the bad guy
if HxH was Generic
Gon would Defeat Chrollo Lucifer just by getting angry or friendship power :D
Jun 17, 2012 11:40 AM

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27CansOfTuna said:


That was definitely worth the extra week of waiting. Hatsu and Nen is pretty deep with all the types. I dont think it was explained that well though. Like are attacks of one type just weak to another type, or can people master multiple types or just use skills from them, can one change types. What does a transmuter even do? Hope they explore Killua sometime soon as thats way more interesting than enhance in the context of fighting.

The Hisoka part was hilarious and especially win hunterpedia did it too.

But GON is plain awful, definitely becoming one of the worst lead protagonists of the year

One does not simply pull stuff out of ass in HxH
That's one of the reasons gon craps on other shounen heroes
I buy it when he beats opponents because you can see that he's progressing and not just caracters saying "wow le progress!"


@ssjathena Chrollo! Dont mess with my Nakama! *HP bar is maxed + powarZ*
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@27cansoftuna

Did you forget that it was said that Hisoka already knew about nen even before the Hunter exam?

Hisoka has been training for years and even after 340 or so chapters of the manga, Gon is still nowhere near as powerful as Hisoka.

This isn't like Bleach where characters gain a 10x powerboost after doing absolutely nothing.


Which is why HxH is so awesome. It's soooo generic when a character is getting the shit beat outta him for an episode only to somehow manage get that power-up and end up winning.

It makes it much more satisfying when the character actually slowly progresses and becomes stronger over time. Gon is a kid and Hisoka has much more training behind him clearly.
Jun 17, 2012 12:33 PM

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Great episode~ Hisoka's turning on scene was just creepy....I m looking forward to the awesome fights :)
Jun 17, 2012 12:38 PM
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Good episode. Nice Gon vs Hisoka fight.
Jun 17, 2012 2:43 PM

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the only time ive ever gotten excited about a fight that is truly intense is kid buu vs goku. their first exchange had the same sort of intensity as this one.

haha the announcer and judge had a hard time following the fight and calling hits. he barely managed to call that one hit.

as for Gon being weak, he just neared about Nen when every hunter in the world already posess it. that alone makes him weak. he is, in addition to that, inexperienced in Nen use and fighting. that makes him doubly weak.

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27CansOfTuna said:
GON is plain awful, definitely becoming one of the worst lead protagonists of the year

Mother of god. There are no words for this.
Jun 17, 2012 3:08 PM

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Wow, Madhouse has my respect now in this, they amazingly animated the fight, loved it :D
Jun 17, 2012 3:24 PM
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But GON is plain awful, definitely becoming one of the worst lead protagonists of the year



You're kidding, right? Hisoka has YEARS of nen experience over Gon who just learned it a couple months ago. Of course Gon isn't going to destroy him in the ring. Him and Killua have the potential to be some of the best nen users in the HxH world, but it's a very nice change of pace to see them (a couple of 12 year old boys) NOT demolish experienced nen users who are at least 10 years older than them.

With that said, Gon is one of the best shounen protagonists I have seen, Killua's one of the best shounen deuteragonists I've seen, and Hisoka's one of the best shounen villains I've seen.
Jun 17, 2012 5:08 PM

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uff the animation didn't disappoint

this is just the begining lol

hope they dont forget to give us blood bath later

hisoka is not pedofile, you will know why he acts like that on next episode, i think.

5/5
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Pedo clown and DBZ. 4/5
Jun 17, 2012 6:54 PM
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27CansOfTuna said:


That was definitely worth the extra week of waiting. Hatsu and Nen is pretty deep with all the types. I dont think it was explained that well though. Like are attacks of one type just weak to another type, or can people master multiple types or just use skills from them, can one change types. What does a transmuter even do? Hope they explore Killua sometime soon as thats way more interesting than enhance in the context of fighting.

The Hisoka part was hilarious and especially win hunterpedia did it too.

But GON is plain awful, definitely becoming one of the worst lead protagonists of the year


I think no matter how gifted Gon is, it is rather farfetched to think that he could 'destroy' Hisoka with just four months of training. Not only has Hisoka been training for many many years, I think he might be just like Gon and Killua being the 'one in a ten million'.

On another note, I am very happy with the Hisoka fan service in this episode. He is definitely my favorite character in Hunter x Hunter. Although they really do make him seem like a pedophile! I dont think he's necessarily a pedophile just that he gets turned on my power and strong opponents regardless of age or gender. Hope we will get to see more of him!
Jun 17, 2012 9:11 PM

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This fight was awesome!! I was really proud of Gon when he landed that punch on Hisoka : )
I am a sucker for romance!!!!
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Jun 18, 2012 1:14 AM

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Took 2 weeks but the wait was worth it

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27CansOfTuna said:

That was definitely worth the extra week of waiting. Hatsu and Nen is pretty deep with all the types. I dont think it was explained that well though. Like are attacks of one type just weak to another type, or can people master multiple types or just use skills from them, can one change types. What does a transmuter even do? Hope they explore Killua sometime soon as thats way more interesting than enhance in the context of fighting.

The Hisoka part was hilarious and especially win hunterpedia did it too.


No type of nen is weak to another type, the type of nen opposite to your 'natural' type on the 'hexagon' just mean it is harder to learn.
As Wing explained, the person's born talents and environment determines their 'natural' type, hence it is possible for one person to change their natural type due to changes in their life.

It is also possible for one person to have more than one natural type at a time (in the manga so far, only one such person exist)

As this was only a side note by Togashi, it will probablynever be mentioned in the anime - the water divination sign for the remaining types are:
Emitter: Water changes colour
Materializer: crystalisation appears in the water
Specialiser: any other changes

Lastly a transmuter can change their aura into different substance or element that sorta lacks physical manifestation eg Hisoka's elastic gum, Machi's string. Other examples would include fire, electricity, water etc

This is oppose to materialisers who can creat more physical weapons (eg swords, guns) or living creatures (eg Kastro's clone)

And if you are dying to find out, Killua can later change his aura into
Jun 18, 2012 6:21 AM

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HOLY FREAKIN COW. DAT ANIMATION
Jun 18, 2012 7:07 AM

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LOL @ the Swing or whatever, and then a white spot over his boner :P

Awesome ep :D
Had to actually clap(3 times) for Gon for actually managing to move Hisoka :P

Jun 18, 2012 8:47 AM

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Oh, damn, damn, damn! GREAT episode!!!!!

Well, they are trying to keep the tension by saying "Gon is about to experience Hisoka's true power" in the conclusion, but even if Hisoka crushed him next episode, Gon
1: passed the exam,
2: passed the secret exam,
3: punched Hisoka.
He finally met all 2 (plus his personal third) requirements to rightfully call himself a Hunter.
Jun 18, 2012 1:52 PM

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That punch. This fight made me so excited again!
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Look at when gon is hiding, he gas no aura around him; Zetsu!
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Shining crotch > shining finger?
Jun 18, 2012 10:51 PM

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Dam man Gon is a beast. Madhouse definitely did a good job on the first half of the fight. I liked every bit of it. Especially when Gon picked up the slab to sneak in a punch.

This shit is making me to anxious. We need to be at episode 120 already! lol
Jun 19, 2012 12:24 AM

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Okay, I never really cared that Madhouse decided to animate HxH again. I was like... WHY AM I WATCHING THIS AGAIN? The first anime was perfectly fine. Until this episode. Yep.

DAT ANIMATION.

I cannot wait for the next arc. If only every week would come by more quickly.

By the way, I'm too lazy to quote anything but the comment about Gon not beating Hisoka. I think you should just stop now. You aren't going to see a 12 year old beat up experienced nen users with 4 months of practice. Just stick to Bleach.
Jun 19, 2012 2:52 AM

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My favorite Pedo character so far in anime history ^

This is what stood out for me in this ep' - didn't think the anime would go there, but they went there!

Jun 19, 2012 8:15 AM
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loved this episode. cant wait for the next
Jun 19, 2012 9:26 AM

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I gave it a 5...

I just wish that it was just a little slower in plot development... more episodes for character development. You don't chug a glass of fine wine, do you?

I don't! Gotta love it!
Jun 19, 2012 4:13 PM

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I gave it a 5...

I just wish that it was just a little slower in plot development... more episodes for character development. You don't chug a glass of fine wine, do you?

I don't! Gotta love it!


Hunter X Hunter (1999) would like to have a word with you.

It's better than 2011 in every way except for graphic quality, in my opinion ofc.
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Chibi_Ubu said:
I gave it a 5...

I just wish that it was just a little slower in plot development... more episodes for character development. You don't chug a glass of fine wine, do you?

I don't! Gotta love it!
Hunter X Hunter (1999) would like to have a word with you.

It's better than 2011 in every way except for graphic quality, in my opinion ofc.

*sigh* Guys, you've been watching HxH for 30+ episodes already. Haven't it become obvious to you that the "character development" you're looking for comes hand in hand with the "plot development"? As the story progresses, we gradually learn more of the characters and what makes them tick through how they think and act on situations.

Hunter x Hunter is not like any other typical shounen that for you to understand a character (his personality/motives), they tell you their lifestory. Togashi employs the "show" not the "tell".

Togashi actually made his stance on the flashback / tragic past trope prevalent on shounen series through Hisoka - he doesn't care about the past because the past doesn't interest him.

The 1999 series though just did the "telling" (establishing the characters) right from the start w/c created problems down the line.

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On a happy note, I love this episode because THAT ANIMATION and Hisoka's pedo vibes was included. I was sure it wouldn't be included so I was really surprised.
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The 1999 series though just did the "telling" (establishing the characters) right from the start w/c created problems down the line.

And under the assumption we have free will and different opinions, just because one version is closer to Togashi's vision doesn't mean any person here has to like or prefer that version.

The 1999 created no problems down the line.

Jun 19, 2012 7:58 PM

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The 1999 created no problems down the line.


Funniest comment i read all week. Keep em coming.
Jun 19, 2012 8:21 PM

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LOL 1999 created no problems....

The 1999 series added extra continents to world map that don't exist and contradict the manga.


The real world map (for new fans don't click) Major spoiler below
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Anime_Name said:
The 1999 created no problems down the line.


Funniest comment i read all week. Keep em coming.


Funny thing is the lack of problems being cited.

The 1999 series added extra continents to world map that don't exist and contradict the manga.

Other than not being what Togashi drew or not being how it is in the manga, what is the problem created by the 1999 world map?

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Yup, it's official. Hisoka's a pedophile.
And what's up with that "Shwing" thing? Hes so freaking nasty :S
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Anime_Name said:
The 1999 series though just did the "telling" (establishing the characters) right from the start w/c created problems down the line.

And under the assumption we have free will and different opinions, just because one version is closer to Togashi's vision doesn't mean any person here has to like or prefer that version.

The 1999 created no problems down the line.


Lol no.
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Lol no.


The 1999 series lasted until Greed Island and had no "problems" because how the story was adapted.

All I ask is for you people to learn the difference from there being a problem vs it not being how Togashi did it in the manga.

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fanimanga said:
[*sigh* Guys, you've been watching HxH for 30+ episodes already. Haven't it become obvious to you that the "character development" you're looking for comes hand in hand with the "plot development"? As the story progresses, we gradually learn more of the characters and what makes them tick through how they think and act on situations.

Hunter x Hunter is not like any other typical shounen that for you to understand a character (his personality/motives), they tell you their lifestory. Togashi employs the "show" not the "tell".

Togashi actually made his stance on the flashback / tragic past trope prevalent on shounen series through Hisoka - he doesn't care about the past because the past doesn't interest him.


One of the reasons why Kubo and Mashima are such terrible writers. They seem to be convinced that a character is fully developed when they create a stupid background story that is usually complete irrelevant with how they act.
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bleachjoj said:


Lol no.


The 1999 series lasted until Greed Island and had no "problems" because how the story was adapted.

All I ask is for you people to learn the difference from there being a problem vs it not being how Togashi did it in the manga.


But it is a problem because now fans who have watched the 1999 series and not read the manga think the older series is absolutely faithful. They criticise the 2011 series for altering things, when really it has tried to stay more closely to the manga.

Sure there's nothing wrong with someone preferring the 1999 series, that's perfectly fine. However, I think it changed too many things from the manga and made me appreciate it less. Changes in characterisations of killua, gon, kurapika, changing mito's relation to ging, altering order of events and that god awful illumi vs gon fight are all things that really irked me and did create problems down the line.

You are entitled to your opinion but it's hard for me to understand how you can't see these problems in the 1999 anime.
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brigid001 said:
Anime_Name said:
bleachjoj said:


Lol no.


The 1999 series lasted until Greed Island and had no "problems" because how the story was adapted.

All I ask is for you people to learn the difference from there being a problem vs it not being how Togashi did it in the manga.


But it is a problem because now fans who have watched the 1999 series and not read the manga think the older series is absolutely faithful. They criticise the 2011 series for altering things, when really it has tried to stay more closely to the manga.


As an anime and manga fan I find that anime viewers are pretty adept at finding disparities between manga and anime. Why do you think HxH fans any more less able to check out the manga than OP, Bleach, Reborn, or any other adaptation fans?
People critizing the 2011 series because it doesn't do some of the things only found in the 1999 series is not a problem the 1999 series caused. There's a thing called personal preference that causes people to have different opinions. FMA had a more emotional Nina arc than the manga and Bortherhood but it's not FMA's fault that some people preferred how the first series expanded on Nina.

If I were to use your logic then the new series is the one causing the problems because it is causing the fans(new and old) to pick sides and quarrel about unimportant things like whether a picture has an extra continent on it even though NO BODY goes to the continent and all the other continents are unchanged.


Sure there's nothing wrong with someone preferring the 1999 series, that's perfectly fine.[/quote}
You say that here but your only complaint was that people preferred the 1999 series.

However, I think it changed too many things from the manga and made me appreciate it less.

That's irrelevant. You're just trading one opinion for another and only like read opinions like that more because you agree with it.


Changes in characterisations of killua, gon, kurapika, changing mito's relation to ging, altering order of events and that god awful illumi vs gon fight are all things that really irked me and did create problems down the line.

The anime used a different relationship for Mito, what problem did it create? The character is still basically the same. First cousin or aunt, Gon still regards her as his mom.

You are entitled to your opinion but it's hard for me to understand how you can't see these problems in the 1999 anime.

It's quiet simple really. People like you are turning insignificant differences that at no point in time interfered with the storytelling of the anime or manga and acting as if being different is enough to cause problems.

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Funny thing is the lack of problems being cited.


Problem is i don't need to. An anime adaptation that doesn't follow the manga to a certain extent causes problems down the line. Like i told you before Gon's Mom has a grave on whale island in the adaptation. Manga no such thing occurred. Hence problems down the line.


Hence why your comment was the funniest one i read.
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The 1999 created no problems down the line.

Funny thing is the lack of problems being cited.

All I ask is for you people to learn the difference from there being a problem vs it not being how Togashi did it in the manga.
Then all I ask you is actually think it over w/o your obvious bias to the 1999 series getting in the way.

Gon from the first 3-4 episodes in the 1999 series was established as a mature (man-child) and good (against killing) kid. But then whenever he and Killua are together, his "maturity" completely vanishes and he revert to an "innocent" child so that Killua CAN be the "mature" one.

His "goodness" was thrown out the window when he allowed Hisoka to kill 2 applicants in the 4th exam phase in order for him to get his tag. In short, he sacrificed 2 people for his selfish reason. Where is his "goodness" now?

As for Killua, the minute we were introduce to him, he was established as Hiei version 2 (YYH). He's standoffish, quiet, serious and doesn't know the word "friend" (or what it means). Then he and Gon had a talk on the blimp and Killua mentioned that "he's charming because people can never tell if he's joking or serious".

That's odd. All his appearances prior to that talk was him being Hiei ver 2. What part did he made jokes, do funny stuff or even be happy?

And then when we got to the Zoldyck mansion mini-arc, we learned that when he was young, he tried to befriend the new staff (Kanaria/Canary). Wait, back up. Is this the same guy or was he swapped with someone else? Oh, he must have drop his head REALLY HARD that his personality completely changed.

I will skip Kurapika since the problem with his "emo" personality changed hasn't been animated yet on the new series.

If Furuhashi (99 series director) got the balls to change the characters Togashi created, he should have gotten ALL THE WAY and change events that SUITED the characters he established. Because of his half-assed changes - mashing his OWN characters with Togashi's plot - not only it created characterization inconsistencies but also plot holes/inconsistencies as well. Hence, the "problems down the line".

Anime_Name said:
If I were to use your logic then the new series is the one causing the problems because it is causing the fans(new and old) to pick sides and quarrel about unimportant things...
If you recall, it's the 99 fans who started their campaign against the 2011 series first. Most (long-time) manga fans went out of "hiding/lurking" after about 20 or so episodes have been aired and we still see/read the "they changed it, now it sucks" complaints from the 99 fans.

Don't go blaming the new series for "causing the rift" between the fans. Backtracking on this site's forum alone can tell you who started the rift.
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noonealive said:
Anime_Name said:
Funny thing is the lack of problems being cited.


Problem is i don't need to. An anime adaptation that doesn't follow the manga to a certain extent causes problems down the line. Like i told you before Gon's Mom has a grave on whale island in the adaptation. Manga no such thing occurred. Hence problems down the line.


Hence why your comment was the funniest one i read.


The wording was "created" problems down the line and such an assessment requires proof of what problems were "created". Seeing as it wasn't your statement you don't need to support it but latching onto it and doing a useless +1 post does nothing.

The game in the 1999 is a disparity and one that could be a problem, if and only if, Gon's mom ever makes an appearance in the manga.

Gon from the first 3-4 episodes in the 1999 series was established as a mature (man-child) and good (against killing) kid. But then whenever he and Killua are together, his "maturity" completely vanishes and he revert to an "innocent" child so that Killua CAN be the "mature" one.

He was not established as such and over the course of the anime(the parts that COMPLETELY matched the manga) it depicted Gon as not bing averse to killing and that he understood how necessary killing may be. The whole accepting Killua as a friend and not flinching about his family is a little hint that Gon isn't terribly moral. Even if any of the anime only characterizations were wrong they self-corrected by following the manga in other parts of the manga.

In fact all of you problem characterizations need for a person who watched the 1999 series to have stopped watching it at the point a difference occur so that they don't see the times where the 1999 series follows the manga. Since the 1999 series also had plenty(it had more similarities than differences) of similarites the characterizations are not that different, there will be some "anime only" tidbits out there because that's what happens when stores get adapted but merely having differences does not call for the type of reaction you are putting forth.

If Furuhashi (99 series director) got the balls to change the characters Togashi created, he should have gotten ALL THE WAY and change events that SUITED the characters he established.

Are you blind and ignorant to what anime does to manga ALL THE TIME? Togashi is not god, it doesn't take balls for a director to change somethings from the manga. All it takes is the the brains to understand that anime is a different medium and as such some concessions and creative differences will occur. Proof? Try looking at other big name shounen anime; Dragon Ball, One Piece, Bleach, Detective Conan, etc. The list goes on and Togashi is not going to be an exception. The only issue is the degree that which you react to said differences.

Don't go blaming the new series for "causing the rift" between the fans. Backtracking on this site's forum alone can tell you who started the rift.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I said "If" and that statement was created to provide a contrast to how someone was using the fan reaction to the 2011 series has being a problem the 1999 caused. The conclusion on what's to blame was illogical.

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