| i think this series deals with slavery in a very entertaining and appropriate way, it makes total sense, like how goblin slayers rape makes perfect sense. |
 アニメの幼女を見てるのが楽しいぜ |
Anowser said: For real... discussions these days aren't about the anime itself anymore. It's all about pushing their politics and agendas. They've been hijacking forums and we've been stupid enough to indulge them by giving them the slightest attention.Janethan23 said: Looks at title of discussion with disappointment... All of MAL's SJW are here, on this thread. Too bad I'm not a moderator; I would close these so called discussions in a heartbeat and ban who ever starts them to keep this site from being used as a tool for politics and all the other social justice nonsense that never belonged in an anime. |
| "Manga readers are annoying, all they do is complain or spoil the anime we discuss in an anime forum. They should really do their whining at manga forums. USERS ON MY IGNORED LIST: RayReynolds - SSL443 - Dr4kon - Nerdanimefan1992 - ToTheMountains - Fiveskies To add users to the Ignore list: (1) Go to Account settings (2) Click Forum tab and toggle down (3) Type or paste user name on entry box (4) Click Add and you're done. Problem solved, you'll never have to see someone trolling ever again because their post will be closed/collapsed. |
| The anime Magi also has pretty extreme slavery in it yet I never saw anyone get so enraged by it. I don't see what the problem is with how this series deals with its slavery. |
The anime Magi also has pretty extreme slavery in it yet I never saw anyone get so enraged by it. It will be because in magi the kids become friends with Morgiana they release it and they are not its owners.I don't see what the problem is with how this series deals with its slavery. |
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| The way slavery is depicted in the show so far doesn't seem to be anything that hasn't happened in other shows or real life for the most part |
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Sasori_Nagashi said: With the advent of episode 1 we saw some pretty heavy whining from political extremists and people experiencing some form of moral discomfort about the concept of a man being a victim at the hands of a woman using the legal system as a weapon. A few made outlandish arguments that it would lead to real-world violence against women. It seems a handful of people have began expressing outrage about how slavery is treated in the series. One extremist I engaged on social media claimed the Shield Hero treating the slave he purchased with kindness was MORE "problematic" than if he outright abused her. Their argument essentially was that treating a slave kindly "white washes" (lol what? Literally non-white media...) the history of slavery. Despite the fact it's shown in detail that slavery in the overworld is a pretty horrific practice. Any thoughts on how the series handles slavery? 1. everyone had slaves until about 100 years ago 2. there are types of slavery except chattel slavery, i.e. debt slavery, wage slavery, scrip slavery, land attached slavery, sex slavery. And I believe debt slavery is the worst because you hope that you will make enough to pay your debt and escape but many times the system is rigged against you 3. black slaves where bough in america from black slave owners from africa 4. Muslims were the biggest slave owners in history and they had all types of slaves. What is interesting in arabic the word for black person also means slave 5. europeans freed their slaves freely and the former slaves live much better lives they would have lived in Africa as free men. Even as slaves they lived better lives. 6. just because some behavior is morally wrong does not mean it cannot be analyzed |
| we have grown so used to non-controversy and senseless outrage that we are preemptively arguing against it. |
I think I don't know wtf I'm doing. Maybe. Probably. |
| I think i get what they are trying to say but it would be really stupid if he treated his slave like shit. He doesn't treat her like that because he legit has no reason to, he only owns a slave because he needs a companion who can't defy him. Even after he got betrayed he didn't really become a bad person the only ones he treats like shit are the people who act like shit towards him. But i don't know i could be pretty wrong as well just my thought. |
| Brain Damage |
Sasori_Nagashi said: With the advent of episode 1 we saw some pretty heavy whining from political extremists and people experiencing some form of moral discomfort about the concept of a man being a victim at the hands of a woman using the legal system as a weapon. A few made outlandish arguments that it would lead to real-world violence against women. It seems a handful of people have began expressing outrage about how slavery is treated in the series. One extremist I engaged on social media claimed the Shield Hero treating the slave he purchased with kindness was MORE "problematic" than if he outright abused her. Their argument essentially was that treating a slave kindly "white washes" (lol what? Literally non-white media...) the history of slavery. Despite the fact it's shown in detail that slavery in the overworld is a pretty horrific practice. Any thoughts on how the series handles slavery? People is just over reacting as usual. All I can tell you is that no matter what you try to argue with the kind of people you are mentioning in your comment, they will always give you an answer that fit their agenda. Even if you prove them wrong: They will just double down at you with the most insane excuse. Look at it this way: - If MC buys slaves and treat them like human beings instead of as slaves: They say the show portrays slavery as something good. - If the MC buy slaves and treat them like garbage: They would say is too violent and that it promotes slavery as well. - If MC does not buy the slaves: They would say something like: he did not save them, he let them to their death or to be purchased by another person, thus it promotes slavery. If MC buys slave, then release them: same as before, they would argue that slave can be re captured and re selled, therefore he didn't save them. You could keep arguing with those people for hours and they will always keep saying the most crazy stuff. If you finally are able to break their will and prove them wrong, they will just resort to call you a sexist, racist, etc. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that everyone who feel offended about the show or, the ones who don't like it are completly wrong. Everyone is entitled to their own opinon. However, the ones that are Twitter, reddit or forum activist that promotes censorship and hate on pretty much everything that don't fit their agenda, those people don't want to have a healty conversation about the issue, they just want to censor everything that goes against their politics and shame averyone who disagree with them. |
| There are several issues with the complaints about slavery in Shield Hero. 1. Some act like as if Naofumi said: slavery is legal in this world? Cool, I always wanted to own one. Show me the way to the slave market! 2. If it were primarily about buying a slave for Naofumi, he wouldn't have bought Raphtalia. He took pity on her. 3. While he provides the basics for her (food, shelter and proper clothing), he also treats her very coldly in the beginning. So she certainly isn't happy. Also his behaviour still weighs on her later in the story. 4. It's buying a slave or dying in a ditch somewhere. Or when the next wave hits. Hardly a choice. Raphtalia would have died a miserable death, most likely. 5. When the slave trader approaches him, he's pretty much at his lowest point. He doesn't care much about anything at this point. Summary: it's not shown in a positive light, rather as the lesser of two evils. About trying to find a companion, who doesn't know or doesn't care: Improbable and he doesn't have the time either way. And the kind of people, who wouldn't care, are also not the kind of people, who you would want to associate yourself with. About being from a world in which slavery is perceived as a terrible crime: Yet slavery still exists to this day and almost nobody cares. Secondly, he isn't on Earth anymore, so Earth's laws and ethics don't mean much anymore. Should he have been more hesitant about the idea of buying and owning a slave? Under normal circumstances, yes. See point 5. Finally, the kingdom wronged him first and I don't mean Myne's betrayal. They abducted him and doomed him to fight a battle, that isn't his. The other heroes are too stupid respectively too young and inexperienced to see this yet. And I know, that I'm beating a dead horse, but: ultimately it's fiction. Even if the anime did portray slavery in a positive light, everyone should be able to discern it from reality or any kind of hypothetical message. I don't need a disclaimer like: this story is fictional and slavery is bad, mmkay. Thumbs up for @rieihdius and @Kyon_at_Best. |
TheBigGuyJan 17, 2019 12:10 PM
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi  |
| I just facepalm at these complains would you rather her stay as a slave and die in that cage or bought and actually live a life?? |
AForgottenSoul said: I just facepalm at these complains would you rather her stay as a slave and die in that cage or bought and actually live a life?? Exactly. |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi |
This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, places and incidents either are products of the author’s imagination or are used fictitiously. Any resemblance to actual events or locales or persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental. They should really put this disclaimer at the starting of every episode. Reality is not always shaped by slacktivism that we see and the outrage over it is not only a waste of our time but the waste of server's uptime too. Sasori_Nagashi said: It seems a handful of people have began expressing outrage about how slavery is treated in the series. One extremist I engaged on social media claimed the Shield Hero treating the slave he purchased with kindness was MORE "problematic" than if he outright abused her. Their argument essentially was that treating a slave kindly "white washes" (lol what? Literally non-white media...) the history of slavery. Despite the fact it's shown in detail that slavery in the overworld is a pretty horrific practice. Any thoughts on how the series handles slavery? I hope you bailed out from that discussion because only an idiot will call it "white washing". Did that guy just compared anime slavery to world history? If yes, then he is actually belittling the said race by comparing them to a fiction visual media which in no way resembles to said events. |
SynchronisityJan 17, 2019 1:39 PM
Janethan23 said: For real... discussions these days aren't about the anime itself anymore. It's all about pushing their politics and agendas. They've been hijacking forums and we've been stupid enough to indulge them by giving them the slightest attention. Too bad I'm not a moderator; I would close these so called discussions in a heartbeat and ban who ever starts them to keep this site from being used as a tool for politics and all the other social justice nonsense that never belonged in an anime. So basically you'd be a terrible moderator and drive the site into the ground? |
on Sasori_Nagashi said: Janethan23 said: For real... discussions these days aren't about the anime itself anymore. It's all about pushing their politics and agendas. They've been hijacking forums and we've been stupid enough to indulge them by giving them the slightest attention. Too bad I'm not a moderator; I would close these so-called discussions in a heartbeat and ban who ever starts them to keep this site from being used as a tool for politics and all the other social justice nonsense that never belonged in an anime. So basically you'd be a terrible moderator and drive the site into the ground? He is not entirely wrong. Discussions like these are never fruitful. In fact, these issues (the one you started) are minor in grand schemes of things and are always confided to some weird corner of the internet. Problem arises when one party gets offended and starts creating a thread on every relevant forum like 4chan, Reddit, MAL etc. and ends up making a mountain out of molehills for nothing. Meanwhile the dude who wrote "All of MAL's SJW"- grow a pair or two before talking like a typical internet troll! |
Fede_5000 said: It does not matter if he is benevolent with her or if he treats her as his "daughter" in principle the idea of slavery is wrong, it is something that people can not understand, there are better ways to deal with this but then the show tries to manipulate the emotions of the people by making her innocent, cute and "kawaii", but at the same time contrast with her horrible past to feel sorry only for the individual and not for the situation itself. That is, if it was not a small girl and it was a boy more great then it would not have the same emotional impact nor would they treat it equally Well, further on the Light Novels, you will see slavery in boys too, and the abuse to them. So, what will be your argument then? |
| Uhm, from episode 2 I don't get the idea that the show is saying that slavery is good, after all Raphtalia suffered due to being a slave. It's more about being condescending to slavery, and saying "it's okay if the slave is happy and the owner doesn't mistreat her". The narrative of mutual understanding and support while keeping an essential relationship of dominance and submission doesn't sit right to me. I don't completely shut down the possibility of the show winning me over with these dynamics somehow, so far it hasn't happened and I feel like the series at the very least doesn't understand yet the gravitas of the concept, but I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt so I hope it won't go the apologist road. Also, it's cool to have debates and different viewpoints on a show that presents controversial themes in controversial ways. I don't think I agree with a lot of people here but it's okay. So kindly and calmly tone the fuck down some of you and stop acting like this part of the forum and this series belong to you, thanks :) |
jal90Jan 17, 2019 8:00 PM
Synchronisity said: ing. Meanwhile the dude who wrote "All of MAL's SJW"- grow a pair or two before talking like a typical internet troll! I will start talking normally when this type of pointless threads don't exist anymore. |
AnowserJan 17, 2019 8:30 PM
| Imagine talking about this seriously again about an anime. |
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Sisyphusson66 said: The anime actually leaves some stuff out of the manga that would have made this reasoning even more problematic. lmao I read a few chapters of the manga and I get what you're saying! I'm actually surprised that absolutely no one else but you has brought it up. Going back to the anime- They don't really announce his reasonings for buying a slave like her (besides how cheap the cost is); instead, leaving it to you to piece together the events leading him to that situation and coming to an evaluation yourself. Some people said pity. Some said because he was feeling lost and there was no other options, pointing out how the slave trader took advantage of Naofumi's situation to get him interested. Some people didn't care And some people just aren't very bright lol One thing these people of justice need to realize is that the anime never tried to make slavery look good, but this topic on slavery is far better than talking about rape accusations. Let's continue! Thumbs up to TheBigGuy and Sisyphusson66 |
LoonitickJan 21, 2019 11:14 PM
| Lol. This reminds me of that gladiator game where you play as a slave in the Colosseum. fighting to earn enough to buy your freedom. Which usually entailed taking on very difficult fights. Eventually you could buy your freedom and then purchase slaves to fight with you. I would have bought her also just to pet them ears. I mean, I know this is fiction because a slave like that would actually be worth millions. What a shrewd negotiator. |
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