Why do members of the Gintama community over inflate Gintama's MAL scores?

Paul said:


Anyone can tell what you're actually like simply by reading this topic. You thinking you're better than me has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion and the fact that you need to bring it just goes to show your ignorance and superiority complex you have towards trying to prove your right and 'better'.

danangafnan said:

I mean you can't judge it so quickly that it was from Gintama fans. It can be like this "Hey, I want to make Gintama gets more hate from Saiki fans so I will set my score with 1 and Gintama 10 and then some people from Saiki fans will make Gintama score low". And it would be the dumbest move if the fake account is really from Gintama fans. Because it won't make Gintama get higher score just make it gets more hate and then gets lower score.

Paul said:


Anyone can tell what you're actually like simply by reading this topic. You thinking you're better than me has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion and the fact that you need to bring it just goes to show your ignorance and the superiority complex you have towards trying to prove your right and 'better'.

IntoOpenWaters said:
I rate things a 10 if I think they're worth a 10.

I think many Gintama installments are masterpieces. Oddly when I started it, I legitimately expected to hate it, but instead I ended up loving it. Many people don't enjoy it's style of comedy, and there's nothing wrong with that. The top MAL scores really don't mean anything because it's a matter of taste. If you don't enjoy specific types of anime, then no amount of people rating it a 10 will make you enjoy it. Like what you like and let other people like what they like.

Monster said:
Because it's a solid show. Gintama has great, developed characters, and the viewers get invested to the universe and said conflicts. Most people that get through the first 200 episodes will likely leave it a high rating.
Gintama also happen to get better by the sequels, hence why the title is so spread throughout the upper rankings. Even though I don't always laugh at the most exaggerated jokes, it's still enjoyable. Gintama has a different approach towards anime than any other series I know. It's a very different, long running show.

spacebishijesus said:


You can't make inferences as to the entirety of someone's personality by way of analysis of how someone acts when they're flaming/baiting et cetera. Also, personally calling me out when this discussion isn't about me isn't mature or level headed and is just as telling about your own behavior as what you purport to be my own.

danangafnan said:

I mean you can't judge it so quickly that it was from Gintama fans. It can be like this "Hey, I want to make Gintama gets more hate from Saiki fans so I will set my score with 1 and Gintama 10 and then some people from Saiki fans will make Gintama score low". And it would be the dumbest move if the fake account is really from Gintama fans. Because it won't make Gintama get higher score just make it gets more hate and then gets lower score.

Paul said:


Calling you out? I don't think you even understand what you yourself are doing.

You can't judge someone by how they act when they're baiting or flaming? Um, yes, yes you can. Even without that, you can judging someone by the fact they feel the need to bait and flame in the first place. Though since apparently you're saying I'm not allowed to judge you, then you're basically admitting to this entire topic being bait and flame towards a specific fandom.

And please stop quoting multiple times and just edit your post.

spacebishijesus said:


Yes, I am aware of what subjectivity is.

sure man, I never advocated the denial or restriction of what people enjoy.

spacebishijesus said:


Yes, I am aware of what subjectivity is.

sure man, I never advocated the denial or restriction of what people enjoy.

barumungu said:



So what others enjoy is subjectivity, but your opinion is objectivity.

What are you really, a grade schooler? get a life. Things don't always go your way.

Adonc said:
Countdown till this thread gets locked?

Adonc said:
Countdown till this thread gets locked?

spacebishijesus said:


That's true, but the way you present your arguments, your profile and your attitude reek of bias.

I also think your concept of "haters" is ridiculous and is synonymous with PC culture and the like.

That's not to say I don't condone irrational hatred, but that's apparently different from your definition.

IntoOpenWaters said:


I feel like you read my post in a negative tone, which isn't how I meant it.

Saying "Like what you like and let other people like what they like" is basically a default comment for all of the threads about "Why is the score for this crappy show that I dislike so high?" I don't see the point in questioning this sort of thing if you claim to understand what subjectivity is.

Besides, if you're aware of the definition of subjectivity, why is the title of this thread about fans "over-inflating" the score? Yes, there will always be stupid fake accounts for inflating random anime's scores (Case in point: Violet Evergarden), but it's not "over-inflating" a score if you legitimately believe something is worthy of a 10.

kisb said:


No same understanding. thats exactly it. Irrational hatred.

Adonc said:
I doubt someone would rate every season of Gintama a 10 and everything else in the top ten a 1 just to accumulate hate for the Gintama fandom, especially because it's hard to find fake accounts like this without digging through the "recently updated" sections of high-rated anime.

spacebishijesus said:


If you meant my post was objective, then no you're wrong; this was never claimed and I don't believe this to be the case. I don't even think Gintama is the worst anime I've ever seen.

The fact your account is so new is fairly suspect too.

spacebishijesus said:


it's taken way too long tbf, I doubt they'll bother unless it's reported too much

Dlwuik said:

i predict in the next 2 hours or so.gd

barumungu said:


So you think people are born, do things, etc at the same time, then if there's anyone new in a forum that account must be a fake?

yeah... yeah..

Adonc said:


It would be funny as hell if some mod just moved this huge-ass thread into the Gintama board

spacebishijesus said:


although I don't hate Gintama, my dislike is rational; the fanbase is toxic and pugnacious and the show bores me to tears (not that the latter is relevant)

spacebishijesus said:


"entire topic being bait and flame towards a specific fandom."

is it not apparent, given the response this post has garnered, that this is indeed the case.

I don't feel a need to do this. Perhaps if I did I would have more posts to my name on MAL(I'd levy that at least %50 are from this thread alone). Nor do I do it on most other platforms because I ghost or am a legitimate active participant .

"though since apparently you're saying I'm not allowed to judge you"

by all means, waste time "judging" me. But the image of me will be highly distorted; that is your claim you can infer anything (especially meaningful) with regard to my personality, disposition or life is just false.

And no, multiple quotes are easier. If you don't want to read them, then don't. You don't have to be here. Certainly doesn't look like you're enjoying yourself.

Energetic-Nova said:
I don't know why we can't have a listing of top anime with the best scoring in the franchise being the representative in the top anime. It would just be nice to see the list be a little more diverse...

Adonc said:
Holy crap, what did I walk in on? I just wanted to call out this loser https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hesham1112 and I walk in on straight cancer. Well, from what I've seen, whenever a new Gintama season comes out people on both sides reactively spam scoring and that can be attributed to the fact that MAL allows scoring before anime starts airing. Either way, this will be the last season of Gintama, so...

spacebishijesus said:

didn't say you were fake I said you were suspect. I just find it interesting. but checking out your post history I think I believe you're legit. also you didn't rebut my point regarding your objectivity and subjectivity point, which only exists so you can use these buzzwords and ergo attempt to let them argue your point for you without you applying or properly explaining why you invoked them to begin with.

Energetic-Nova said:
I don't know why we can't have a listing of top anime with the best scoring in the franchise being the representative in the top anime. It would just be nice to see the list be a little more diverse...

Paul said:


No worries, I don't need to judge your life as a whole, simply you as who you are on this site and your stance on the specific topic. Taking in the fact that you're asking me to leave the topic because I don't enjoy discussion about discouraging a fanbase only adds more to that list.

barumungu said:


I just don't think there's any merit to debate with a grade schooler who don't know exactly what they're saying.

bye. I have a life. Not like you.

barumungu said:


If you have any proves, I think you can post that accounts here.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=245618

kisb said:


just curious.. what things would you consider when measuring to determine top anime

kisb said:


just curious.. what things would you consider when measuring to determine top anime

SigmaticDoc said:
Because they think it deserves that rating.
It's a great comedy that I can see why it has such a wide appeal and it's a great shonen when it's in it's serious arcs.
There's a lot more to grip you than the typical shonen.
The main characters' past for one is not just thrown out just like that like in most shonen. It's only getting hinted at and we're getting shown some really vague scenes over the course of the story, and you want to know more of course so each of those keeps you interested in the characters, alongside their quirkiness and absurdity that they have and how mature they can be when it actually counts.

Given the series length it would take time to explain why people like Gintama so much and it's not something I am up for atm. But it's not without a reason. I am not one of the people inflating it with 10s but I do think it's great and still deserves a solid 8 or 9.

But in short, Gintama fans give it 10s because they think it deserves a 10, to them, they're not over inflating anything.

spacebishijesus said:


good production value or good use of staff and budget

engaging themes that are relevant and don't become overused or convoluted.

great sakuga moments

shows that don't pander

tight script

strong directorial intent.

if any of those apply to gintama then I just didn't like it enough despite that or I did'nt like how it was presented

spacebishijesus said:


People don't think like that though. Besides we've already had evidence somewhere in this threat to suggest that they are Gintama-fan run. But I agree that it is not likely 100% of Gintama fans, nor are they the only fanbase that do this.

Not that that is an excuse.

kisb said:


sorry
meant like the formula for MAL itself to use for scoring top anime
because people keep saying its not representative and i dont understand that

existentialist said:
I'm not even going to weigh in on this topic because I couldn't get through 5 episodes so I don't understand the appeal.

BUT

Just wanted to point out I think this thread broke the record for most comments in the shortest amount of time. Its been a day and there's almost 300 comments. Shits wack.

kisb said:


sorry
meant like the formula for MAL itself to use for scoring top anime
because people keep saying its not representative and i dont understand that

FireEmblemIke24 said:
Your title is partially correct.

Gintama is not inflated by the users who rate the show but rather the scoring system in place. A phenomenon known as the sequel effect has been ever present and probably won't change (although I think it should be abolished). Then there is the fact that many users who dropped the show early on won't have their rating considering due to the 20% viewing rule. This rule should not be adjusted as it encapsulates a majority of anime nowadays which are getting shorter in length. Long-running shows are fading out of existence.

Some Gintama fans just give the same rating to stay consistent, I understand where they are coming from but each season should be assessed independently. The Gintama sequels only have viewers who enjoyed the show which naturally produces higher scores as a result.

I enjoy the show but it getting constant headlines about it plaguing the top anime list is aggravating to say the least. Any topic relating to Gintama scores is a broken record at this point.

spacebishijesus said:


really? huh I'll take that. although the reason as to the amount of replies is pretty hysterical ngl lmao

spacebishijesus said:
"discouraging a fanbase" tbh if more people didn't overinflate scores then maybe gintama would less often be the object of criticism and laughter. in that view my thread could have a positive outcome.

Paul said:
There is nothing wrong with the scores, what's wrong is MAL's system of categorizing its franchise individually instead of as a whole. I'm sure someone's mentioned it already if not many, but Gintama suffers from the sequel effect on MAL, in which people who don't like it won't bother with the next and the ones who do continue and obviously the majority of who enjoy it will rate it highly.

existentialist said:


Yeah sifting through this thread is kind of hard, you are a patient man lol.

Paul said:


Which I've already mentioned in my first post.



In which you responded that you were already aware of this effect.

So using your own words, in that view, this thread is completely pointless if you already had the answer to your own topic.

Bottom line. There is no inflation. It's simply fans of the series enjoying what they watch and handling it the way MAL has it set up, so if you want anyone to blame, blame MAL's way of handling rating franchises.