Suisei no Gargantia Episode 2 Discussion

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Oh my gosh, I am loving this show way more than I thought I would. I love that this is more of like a leaning experience for both parties and that in both worlds, the other world is legend. I like Red too, I hope that they don't try to make him into a peace-loving panzy and just let him be the badass that he is. That ending scene was awesome, how he vaporized those guys. I hope they don't try to stick him with a "no killing" rule. I think that would be stupid, as he is a soldier and that is what he's trained for. Don't cripple him.

I really like how Red and Chamber work together, that was awesome in and of itself. And I love the fact that Chamber acts as Red's translator, which puts a totally new spin on things. This is so fresh and new from all the other mecha I've seen! I 'm very excited for this series.

Apr 9, 2013 6:30 PM

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They got body in a quick min.

Apr 9, 2013 6:49 PM

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MM-Rosiie said:
I love this. I love this!!

AnimageNeby said:

symbv said:

Kagurawest said:
Well I do understand that having a ultimate weapon can help him to get what he wants. So he is doing the right thing for himself. But he is not doing the right thing for his country or as a soldier nor for humanity itself. So I concluse that his act is ignorant and selfish.

This is quite an absurd claim to make. Why he is not doing the right thing for his country or as a soldier or for humanity? It seems that you are using the standard of the present world and its circumstances to judge how Ledo should act as a soldier. And I am not even sure where the "humanity" part comes from. As for country, well, all he knows is everything is under the Federation except for a few space nomads, and then there is the enemy. At least he is trying to adapt to the situation where what he sees does not fit into that long-held understanding he has held.

This.

It's pretty clear, I thought. He comes from a military background, been probably in the army since his birth, and his society is one of...well...how should I put it? In the first episode, I rather got the feeling they were a bit...arrogant? With the "all hail to the glorious human (well, Alliance) race" and needing to wipe out the flower-squid race for the glorious goal of human supremacy and all that... I dunno. Sure, it might be that it's truly and only a matter of survival, but I got the feeling Red's culture/civilisation is pretty much a militaristic- imperialistic one too. They clearly value life on different terms than us, and more like a class-society. (Otherwise, they wouldn't have focussed on the 'eligible to live/procreate' because he was worthy and shown to be a superior example of the human species.)

We got too few info about his society to be sure, but I don't think it's all that utopian, at least not in the sense of 'equal for all'. And they are very strict and relaying on 'rules'. As someone else here said; the first thing he said when his commanding officer said he was going to sacrifice himself to help the others (and Red) escape, was: "That's against the rules'. That is very poignant and a clear indication of how that society is regulated: very hierarchical. No 'thank you" or "Don't do it" or whatever, just that it goes against regulations. Hardly anyone in our society would have such a reaction. Also hinted throughout the episodes, is that their culture/society is very pragmatical on a rational basis; emotions are subdued. We see that in his lack of fear, his strange look at the antics of Amy when she was dancing of excitement (great scene, that ;-)), his analytical prowess in the context of give-and take and balancing the pro's and con's that he and his AI portrays, etc.

In regard to the killing: as some have said; this is fully normal for him. It makes perfect sense and is quite logical, seen from his viewpoint. His perception of the world is more like this:

1) "we", his group, the Alliance
2) Other humans outside the Alliance
3) enemies

It's a very 'we versus them' worldview, but that is to be expected, as, in more than one regard, it IS a we versus them, to survive. And an army always tries to portray everything in black and white anyway (them being white, and the opponents black).

The first is obviously ranked the highest; it's his life, after all. He's a soldier, in an army, and that army are his friends/college's, nakama and fellow-soldiers and the Avalon society as a whole.

The second...one could say it doesn't matter to him, but this is not entirely true. We can see that, for instance, with his consideration of not damaging the bulkhead, because he thought it could be the void / empty space outside, and the people inside would all suffocate. So he had *some* concern for them, even though he already suspected they were not of the Alliance, but nomads.

This concern points to the fact that, while not as important as members of the Alliance, there is still put *some* worth to other members of the human race.

Of course, this importance is not that great, and it's not something that will be allowed to come in his way (at least, at this point) towards his goal. which is why he has little trouble killing of the pirates. Obviously he knew they were human, but they weren't Alliance. In fact, they were indicated as *the enemy*, EVEN by the non-Alliance people around him, with whom he desired a working-relation so he had a fall-back plan if he had to wait for the Alliance to pick him up. It was a pragmatic and rational decision, thus, for his own benefit.

Now, to get there, he had to get rid of the enemy: those pirates. Once they were designated and catalogued as the enemy, he knew/had only one way to deal with them, and that was how he has learned to deal with enemies his whole life: as completely, thoroughly and ruthlessly as possible.

In fact, while the crew is shocked by the immensity of what he has done (and how he did it, with such casual ease), and probably treat him with fear or/and disgust, *he* probably now thinks he has done a good job, efficiently and it being a complete success. In his mindview (and that of the society to which he belongs), defeating the enemy in that way would earn him appraisal. It will be interesting to see how this pans out in the next episode, since obviously, the worldviews of both societies collide drastically on this point. For him, it's a job well done, for the crew it's complete overkill. The crew - if they had the power - would probably have threatened, maybe sunk a few ships as a warning, and compelled the pirates into surrender or retreat. They more or less have the mindset of us, today, in r/l. Red, however, has no such mental framework. These thoughts are alien to him, in fact, since he has always learned and experienced that one must utterly destroy the enemy. That's why he doesn't blink an eye, when he says 'annihilate' and then completely wipes out the pirates.

Agreed! Why would you judge him with the standard of Earth? It's obvious that he's been in battle since who knows how long and that it's normal to annihilate the enemy.

His whole society is completely different. (For instance, he didn't want to eat the fish corpse. But for the Earthlings it's just food.)

It's like culture. It's all different. :P

I honestly don't know why people are making such a big deal out of Red killing people. I was glad he did it. And it really isn't that unusual for soldiers even by today's standards.

When I say soldier, I mean soldier, not the people who sent him, not police officers, not the SWAT team, REAL soldiers.

The soldiers be they Army, Marines, Navy SEALS, etc. are only there to do their mission AND THAT IS IT. There is no bargaining, there is no warning. That is left up to higher ups. They do not shoot to wound, but to kill. Not doing so could cost them their lives. They are taught to follow orders. Warning their target can also get them killed. Soldiers work fast and efficiently. Today's military would all do what Red just did (albeit with less futuristic weaponry). They would discern between friends and foes, civilians and combatants, and then would take out the enemy in the best, most efficient way they can with the least amount of collateral damage.

This is not just the behavior of futuristic soldiers, but has been the way of soldiers for MILLENNIA. Diplomacy and civilian rules are not done on a raging battlefield. That's why soldiers are often not diplomats.

Apr 9, 2013 7:03 PM

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Everyone should appreciate his help and bow down to his greatness and have tons of women lust after him, treat him as king, make him a god, kneel and beg forgiveness etc cause Red's the shit and no technology of their world can beat Chamber's mecha abs. I want Amy's voice actress to be replaced, highly unlikely that to happen but i can at least hope for the best.

save all the cute girls from ntr manga

Apr 9, 2013 7:28 PM

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overpowered mecha. Only way this gets interesting is if avalon finds his distress signal and decide to take over the earth and he sides with the natives or something.

Apr 9, 2013 7:41 PM

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AnimageNeby said:
One thing I'm puzzled about, though, is by the reaction of when he (well, the AI) asked to which alliance they belong and who their commander is. It seems a rather normal question, but as Red said: "Why do they stiffen up when being asked that?" Clearly their reaction isn't what one would expect, so I guess I'm overseeing something of the sea-drifters' culture too.

It is more because of the awkward way Chamber is doing the interpretation/translation. The AI did not ask to which alliance they belong (translation error in subtitles?) but told the people of Gargantia to join the Alliance (and thus wanted to know who their commander is) even though it is not exactly what Ledo asked it to ask . Of course to those people it sounded like a demand and it is natural that they would raise their alert over such demand. When Ledo was surprised by their reaction and asked Chamber what it said, it just explained that this was a standard expression to start talks and extend invitation to join the Alliance. My guess is that as the Alliance expands over space it has this standard protocol to use to invite new members, but it perhaps sounded a bit blunt to those people in Gargantia.

symbvApr 9, 2013 7:47 PM

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Apr 9, 2013 7:43 PM

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ReasonDesu said:

Tyrel said:

ReasonDesu said:

xfire011 said:
Why are they like that at the end?
Anyway, this Earth doesn't even have the tech. we have now. A cool episode.
Can't find any 720p version, :(

You can find the 720p on TokyoTosho but it's just a raw you will have to grab the .ass too unless you can understand Japanese.

Actually it's an Upscale, so it doesn't really have the same Quality.

I was under the impression that it was the BD raw that had been handed out at events for free. I don't think it's the webrip.

Peopled tried giving the link to the same one on the site to Xythar that's doing UTW release for the show. However, he said that it's an upscale.

Here's what he said. That’s a filtered Himado (webstream) upscale from Perfect Dark. We’ll be waiting for the TV airing unless proper BD raws arise (and if they haven’t by now, they’re probably not going to)

Apr 9, 2013 8:40 PM

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Wow, the way he vaporized the pirates was totally awesome. Digging the high-tech.

Of course the earthlings are all gonna bitch at him now...sigh.

Apr 9, 2013 10:13 PM

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meneliksempai said:
The effects of killing are so exaggerated in the US because of the political football surrounding the Iraq war, were they when there was no dead soldier people needed PTSD affect veterans to use as media prop.

That is probably part of it, but a larger part is the Sentimentalization of American Culture: the emphasis on feeling and sensitivity is a relatively new thing and has only come about because sudden death has been driven out of the normal course of most people's lives (except old age, which is feared and sickness which is treated in an overly sentimentalized fashion). Go back 100, hell even 60 years ago, and death was a familiar friend that struck the young and middle age far more frequently. Imagine being a father or mother 100 years ago when 2 out of 10 children died before they were 7, or 200 years ago when 5 out of 10 died. All that death desensitizes people to death and to violence because it is just normal.

But in the US it isn't. There are no real threats (as there is in Israel (Arabs), India (Pakistan) and Pakistan (India), so soldiers are tossed into warfare mentally unprepared. Even inner city youth are not exposed to the level of death many other countries have as a normal course of their daily lives. Going from this reality to a reality like Iraq and Afghanistan is too great a shock of many people, add to that the new fear that people are actually trying to kill you.

But as you pointed out, a lot of the rest of the world isn't that way. Africa as a whole, isn't that way, large parts of Asia, and South and Central America isn't that way. Hell, even Eastern Europe isn't that way. They would kill you as soon as look at you, which is of course an exaggeration, but closer to the truth than the fantasy that a "can't we all just get along" mentality is actually the norm.

Symbv: possibility about his society - kind of a reverse "Starship troopers" mentality. Except in this case the "bugs" aren't necessarily evil. Here you have the same concept of only veterans being able to become citizens, with society being put on war footing in order to maintain unity. Notice that there isn't another inhabitable planet in the alliance, so what would happen if these space humans suddenly find that they don't have to fight for survival anymore, that they can live on Earth instead of on some space station called Avalon (if that even exists - there is a distinct possibility that those who are senior enough to be sent to Avalon are sent to the front lines in order to hide the fact that it doesn't exist). And now here is an open world for all to live on. Even if the Alliance wasn't evil, how would they handle the end of everything they have worked to accomplish for 1,000's of years.

Apr 9, 2013 10:55 PM

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AnimageNeby said:

symbv said:

Kagurawest said:
Well I do understand that having a ultimate weapon can help him to get what he wants. So he is doing the right thing for himself. But he is not doing the right thing for his country or as a soldier nor for humanity itself. So I concluse that his act is ignorant and selfish.

This is quite an absurd claim to make. Why he is not doing the right thing for his country or as a soldier or for humanity? It seems that you are using the standard of the present world and its circumstances to judge how Ledo should act as a soldier. And I am not even sure where the "humanity" part comes from. As for country, well, all he knows is everything is under the Federation except for a few space nomads, and then there is the enemy. At least he is trying to adapt to the situation where what he sees does not fit into that long-held understanding he has held.

This.

It's pretty clear, I thought. He comes from a military background, been probably in the army since his birth, and his society is one of...well...how should I put it? In the first episode, I rather got the feeling they were a bit...arrogant? With the "all hail to the glorious human (well, Alliance) race" and needing to wipe out the flower-squid race for the glorious goal of human supremacy and all that... I dunno. Sure, it might be that it's truly and only a matter of survival, but I got the feeling Reds' culture/civilisation is pretty much a militaristic-imperialistic one. They clearly value life on different terms than us, and are more like a class-society. (Otherwise, they wouldn't have focussed on the 'eligible to live/procreate' because he was worthy and shown to be a superior example of the human species.)

We got too few info about his society to be sure, but I don't think it's all that utopian, at least not in the sense of 'equal for all'. And they are very strict and relaying on 'rules'. As someone else here said; the first thing he said when his commanding officer said he was going to sacrifice himself to help the others (and Red) escape, was: "That's against the rules". That is pretty poignant and a clear indication of how that society is regulated: very hierarchical. No "Thank you!" or "Don't do it!" or whatever, just that it goes against regulations. Hardly anyone in our society would have such a reaction. Also hinted throughout the episodes, is that their culture/society is very pragmatical on a rational basis; emotions are subdued. We see that in his lack of fear, his strange look at the antics of Amy when she was dancing of excitement (great scene, that ;-)), the analytical prowess that he and his AI portrays in the context of give-and-take and balancing the pro's and con's, etc.

In regard to the killing: as some have said; this is fully normal for him. It makes perfect sense and is quite logical, seen from his viewpoint. His perception of the world is more like this:

1) "we", his group, the Alliance
2) Other humans outside the Alliance
3) enemies

It's a very 'we versus them' worldview, but that is to be expected, as, in more than one regard, it IS a we versus them, to survive. And an army always tries to portray everything in black and white anyway (them being white, and the opponents black).

The first is obviously ranked the highest; it's his whole life, after all. He's a soldier, in an army, and that army are his friends/college 's, nakama and fellow-soldiers and the Avalon society as a whole. It's the primary 'we' he identifies with.

The second...one could say it doesn't matter to him, but this is not entirely true. We can see this, for instance, with his consideration of not damaging the bulkhead, because he thought it could be the void / empty space outside, and the people inside would all suffocate. So he had *some* concern for them, even though he already suspected they were not of the Alliance, but wandering low-tech nomads.

This concern points to the fact that, while not as important as members of the Alliance, there is still put *some* worth to other members of the human race.

Of course, this importance is not all that huge, and it's not something that will be allowed to come in his way (at least, at this point) towards his goal. Which is why he has little trouble killing off the pirates. Obviously he knew they were human, but they weren't Alliance. In fact, they were indicated as *the enemy*, EVEN by the non-Alliance people around him requesting his help, and with whom he desired a working-relation so he had a fall-back plan if he had to wait for the Alliance to pick him up. It was a pragmatic and rational decision, thus, for his own benefit.

Now, to get to this goal, he had to get rid of the enemy: those pirates. Once they were designated and catalogued as the enemy, he knew/had only one way to deal with them, and that was how he has learned to deal with enemies his whole life: as completely, thoroughly and ruthlessly as possible.

In fact, while the crew is shocked by the immensity of what he has done (and how he did it, with such casual ease), and probably treat him with fear or/and disgust, *he* probably now thinks he has done a good job, efficiently and it being a complete success. In his mindview (and that of the society to which he belongs), defeating the enemy in that way would earn him appraisal. It will be interesting to see how this pans out in the next episode, since obviously, the worldviews of both societies collide drastically on this point. For him, it's a job well done, for the crew it's complete overkill. The crew - if they had the power - would probably have threatened, maybe sunk a few ships as a warning, and compelled the pirates into surrender or retreat. They more or less have the mindset of us, today, in r/l. Red, however, has no such mental framework. These thoughts are alien to him, in fact, since he has always learned and experienced that one must utterly destroy the enemy. That's why he doesn't blink an eye, when he says 'annihilate' and then completely wipes out the pirates.

10 STARS~! I GIVE YOU 10 FREAKIN STARS! That was well analyzed! I myself wanted to post something in regards to a certain comment posted that insulted the protagonist's judgement with the way he handled the pirates, but since you've done such a splendid job I won't need to post anything(on that subject)!

As for me... killing is fine as long as the reasons for killing is justified by my standards. Killing to survive(depends on the situation), killing in self defense, killing murderers or rapists, and killing someone that could potentially harm me or those precious to me if left alone.

The pirates Ledo killed could be categorized as Killers and or Rapists not to mention it was done in self defense(of Allies) which could also be seen as Killing to survive(Bargaining chip for Food from Gargantia) you know what this could also be categorized as killing potential enemies. Ok Ledo met all my killing standards... GOOD JOB LEDO! *Applauds*

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Apr 9, 2013 11:03 PM

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Omnicast said:

AnimageNeby said:

symbv said:

Kagurawest said:
Well I do understand that having a ultimate weapon can help him to get what he wants. So he is doing the right thing for himself. But he is not doing the right thing for his country or as a soldier nor for humanity itself. So I concluse that his act is ignorant and selfish.

This is quite an absurd claim to make. Why he is not doing the right thing for his country or as a soldier or for humanity? It seems that you are using the standard of the present world and its circumstances to judge how Ledo should act as a soldier. And I am not even sure where the "humanity" part comes from. As for country, well, all he knows is everything is under the Federation except for a few space nomads, and then there is the enemy. At least he is trying to adapt to the situation where what he sees does not fit into that long-held understanding he has held.

This.

It's pretty clear, I thought. He comes from a military background, been probably in the army since his birth, and his society is one of...well...how should I put it? In the first episode, I rather got the feeling they were a bit...arrogant? With the "all hail to the glorious human (well, Alliance) race" and needing to wipe out the flower-squid race for the glorious goal of human supremacy and all that... I dunno. Sure, it might be that it's truly and only a matter of survival, but I got the feeling Reds' culture/civilisation is pretty much a militaristic-imperialistic one. They clearly value life on different terms than us, and are more like a class-society. (Otherwise, they wouldn't have focussed on the 'eligible to live/procreate' because he was worthy and shown to be a superior example of the human species.)

We got too few info about his society to be sure, but I don't think it's all that utopian, at least not in the sense of 'equal for all'. And they are very strict and relaying on 'rules'. As someone else here said; the first thing he said when his commanding officer said he was going to sacrifice himself to help the others (and Red) escape, was: "That's against the rules". That is pretty poignant and a clear indication of how that society is regulated: very hierarchical. No "Thank you!" or "Don't do it!" or whatever, just that it goes against regulations. Hardly anyone in our society would have such a reaction. Also hinted throughout the episodes, is that their culture/society is very pragmatical on a rational basis; emotions are subdued. We see that in his lack of fear, his strange look at the antics of Amy when she was dancing of excitement (great scene, that ;-)), the analytical prowess that he and his AI portrays in the context of give-and-take and balancing the pro's and con's, etc.

In regard to the killing: as some have said; this is fully normal for him. It makes perfect sense and is quite logical, seen from his viewpoint. His perception of the world is more like this:

1) "we", his group, the Alliance
2) Other humans outside the Alliance
3) enemies

It's a very 'we versus them' worldview, but that is to be expected, as, in more than one regard, it IS a we versus them, to survive. And an army always tries to portray everything in black and white anyway (them being white, and the opponents black).

The first is obviously ranked the highest; it's his whole life, after all. He's a soldier, in an army, and that army are his friends/college 's, nakama and fellow-soldiers and the Avalon society as a whole. It's the primary 'we' he identifies with.

The second...one could say it doesn't matter to him, but this is not entirely true. We can see this, for instance, with his consideration of not damaging the bulkhead, because he thought it could be the void / empty space outside, and the people inside would all suffocate. So he had *some* concern for them, even though he already suspected they were not of the Alliance, but wandering low-tech nomads.

This concern points to the fact that, while not as important as members of the Alliance, there is still put *some* worth to other members of the human race.

Of course, this importance is not all that huge, and it's not something that will be allowed to come in his way (at least, at this point) towards his goal. Which is why he has little trouble killing off the pirates. Obviously he knew they were human, but they weren't Alliance. In fact, they were indicated as *the enemy*, EVEN by the non-Alliance people around him requesting his help, and with whom he desired a working-relation so he had a fall-back plan if he had to wait for the Alliance to pick him up. It was a pragmatic and rational decision, thus, for his own benefit.

Now, to get to this goal, he had to get rid of the enemy: those pirates. Once they were designated and catalogued as the enemy, he knew/had only one way to deal with them, and that was how he has learned to deal with enemies his whole life: as completely, thoroughly and ruthlessly as possible.

In fact, while the crew is shocked by the immensity of what he has done (and how he did it, with such casual ease), and probably treat him with fear or/and disgust, *he* probably now thinks he has done a good job, efficiently and it being a complete success. In his mindview (and that of the society to which he belongs), defeating the enemy in that way would earn him appraisal. It will be interesting to see how this pans out in the next episode, since obviously, the worldviews of both societies collide drastically on this point. For him, it's a job well done, for the crew it's complete overkill. The crew - if they had the power - would probably have threatened, maybe sunk a few ships as a warning, and compelled the pirates into surrender or retreat. They more or less have the mindset of us, today, in r/l. Red, however, has no such mental framework. These thoughts are alien to him, in fact, since he has always learned and experienced that one must utterly destroy the enemy. That's why he doesn't blink an eye, when he says 'annihilate' and then completely wipes out the pirates.

10 STARS~! I GIVE YOU 10 FREAKIN STARS! That was well analyzed! I myself wanted to post something in regards to a certain comment posted that insulted the protagonist's judgement with the way he handled the pirates, but since you've done such a splendid job I won't need to post anything(on that subject)!

As for me... killing is fine as long as the reasons for killing is justified by my standards. Killing to survive(depends on the situation), killing in self defense, killing a murderers or rapists, and killing someone that could potentially harm me or those precious to me if left alone.

The pirates Ledo killed could be categorized as Killers and or Rapists not to mention it was done in self defense(of Allies) which could also be seen as Killing to survive(Bargaining chip for Food from Gargantia) you know what this could also be categorized as killing potential enemies. Ok Ledo met all my killing standards... GOOD JOB LEDO! *Applauds*

Completely agree. And though Red and those of Gargantia are both humans, Red is really an alien to Earth. He is not from Earth, had never grown up there, and lives in a totally different world with different rules and different dangers.
You can't condemn the Alliance for doing what it does to survive.

However, even if Red lived today and was a soldier now in our world, he would STILL do exactly the same.

Apr 9, 2013 11:13 PM

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Gen Urobuchi... give it to me, now! This anime is heating up.

Apr 9, 2013 11:33 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:
Symbv: possibility about his society - kind of a reverse "Starship troopers" mentality. Except in this case the "bugs" aren't necessarily evil. Here you have the same concept of only veterans being able to become citizens, with society being put on war footing in order to maintain unity. Notice that there isn't another inhabitable planet in the alliance, so what would happen if these space humans suddenly find that they don't have to fight for survival anymore, that they can live on Earth instead of on some space station called Avalon (if that even exists - there is a distinct possibility that those who are senior enough to be sent to Avalon are sent to the front lines in order to hide the fact that it doesn't exist). And now here is an open world for all to live on. Even if the Alliance wasn't evil, how would they handle the end of everything they have worked to accomplish for 1,000's of years.

This is a very good insight about the society Ledo grew up in. I think we need to hold back our judgement about whether the aliens are evil or the Alliance is evil. All we know is that the Alliance maintains a huge army with soldiers bred to fight so that the actual society (Avalon and perhaps some other space colonies as well) can live life without fighting, and these space colonies apparently never set foot on any inhabitable planet. What happens when the Alliance learns the existence and habitability of Earth will have a lot to do with how the space human society is organized and how they see the war against the aliens. Ledo thinks that Earth can be used as a base or outpost, but he is thinking purely from an Alliance soldier's point of view. What the human from Avalon itself think could be quite different.

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Apr 9, 2013 11:47 PM

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Hmm, so it's pretty much Macross meets Waterworld?

So far, I like it...although the sub work is less than stellar. I had to at least a few quick pauses to go "wait, what?" at some of the translations.

Apr 9, 2013 11:51 PM

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symbv said:

Takuan_Soho said:
Symbv: possibility about his society - kind of a reverse "Starship troopers" mentality. Except in this case the "bugs" aren't necessarily evil. Here you have the same concept of only veterans being able to become citizens, with society being put on war footing in order to maintain unity. Notice that there isn't another inhabitable planet in the alliance, so what would happen if these space humans suddenly find that they don't have to fight for survival anymore, that they can live on Earth instead of on some space station called Avalon (if that even exists - there is a distinct possibility that those who are senior enough to be sent to Avalon are sent to the front lines in order to hide the fact that it doesn't exist). And now here is an open world for all to live on. Even if the Alliance wasn't evil, how would they handle the end of everything they have worked to accomplish for 1,000's of years.

This is a very good insight about the society Ledo grew up in. I think we need to hold back our judgement about whether the aliens are evil or the Alliance is evil. All we know is that the Alliance maintains a huge army with soldiers bred to fight so that the actual society (Avalon and perhaps some other space colonies as well) can live life without fighting, and these space colonies apparently never set foot on any inhabitable planet. What happens when the Alliance learns the existence and habitability of Earth will have a lot to do with how the space human society is organized and how they see the war against the aliens. Ledo thinks that Earth can be used as a base or outpost, but he is thinking purely from an Alliance soldier's point of view. What the human from Avalon itself think could be quite different.

Currently our Earth supports 7 billion ants- I mean humans... 470 million is such a small number compared to 7 billion. Then again Earth is flooded, but THEN AGAIN Ledo's people have overwhelmingly advance technology that they could probably restore earth to it's former living capacity in mere months or years. Not to mention the Human Alliance is completely unified seeing how they were willing to toss an attack force at the enemy hidawhateverthef*ck bugs without a success ratio of 100%.

Anyways I'm trying to say that there's plenty of room on this ball of water.

OH YA! I almost forgot what I wanted to say... PRIMITIVES QUICKLY THROW YOUR VIRGINS AT LEDO!!! Before he burns your house down WITH LEMO- CHAMBER!

OmnicastApr 10, 2013 12:44 AM

Apr 10, 2013 3:22 AM

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Man that was cool i love how the beam only hits what is counted as the enemy really cool stuff. and the earth is now totally full of water huh. Kinda sad to see so many people die but oh well i guess they had it coming.

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Apr 10, 2013 3:36 AM

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Omnicast said:

symbv said:
OH YA! I almost forgot what I wanted to say... PRIMITIVES QUICKLY THROW YOUR VIRGINS AT LEDO!!! Before he burns your house down WITH LEMO- CHAMBER!

Oh Yeah baby .. bring all your virgins to Ledo you primitive ! But still gonna be awkward when Chamber has to explain to him what to "actually" do with the girls XD

You gotta admit that the temptation of wanting to be made god on earth if you had an indestructible mecha ... yes I am an horrible person ^_^

Apr 10, 2013 3:53 AM

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symbv said:

AnimageNeby said:
One thing I'm puzzled about, though, is by the reaction of when he (well, the AI) asked to which alliance they belong and who their commander is. It seems a rather normal question, but as Red said: "Why do they stiffen up when being asked that?" Clearly their reaction isn't what one would expect, so I guess I'm overseeing something of the sea-drifters' culture too.

It is more because of the awkward way Chamber is doing the interpretation/translation. The AI did not ask to which alliance they belong (translation error in subtitles?) but told the people of Gargantia to join the Alliance (and thus wanted to know who their commander is) even though it is not exactly what Ledo asked it to ask . Of course to those people it sounded like a demand and it is natural that they would raise their alert over such demand. When Ledo was surprised by their reaction and asked Chamber what it said, it just explained that this was a standard expression to start talks and extend invitation to join the Alliance. My guess is that as the Alliance expands over space it has this standard protocol to use to invite new members, but it perhaps sounded a bit blunt to those people in Gargantia.

Maybe I should have used dots instead of , in my translation.

Like "You are human comrades. Participate in the alliance."

But that's really what chamber said, so that's the only thing they could be tense about.
Perhaps due to how they form fleets, it sounds like Red demands them to participate in HIS alliance group/fleet.

Apr 10, 2013 4:12 AM

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meneliksempai said:
Oh Yeah baby .. bring all your virgins to Ledo you primitive ! But still gonna be awkward when Chamber has to explain to him what to "actually" do with the girls XD

You gotta admit that the temptation of wanting to be made god on earth if you had an indestructible mecha ... yes I am an horrible person ^_^

Uhh Episode 1 Chamber already explained the birds and the bees!!! Ok he didn't get into detail... BUT!!! It's kinda close?

I suggest someone with manga skills draw a hentai where Ledo gets Amy, Saya, Melty, Bellow, and Ridget into his cockpit and does the naughty.

"Chamber: STOP HAVING S*X IN MY HEAD!!!"

LOL!!!

Apr 10, 2013 4:14 AM

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alduren said:
Maybe I should have used dots instead of , in my translation.
Like "You are human comrades. Participate in the alliance."
But that's really what chamber said, so that's the only thing they could be tense about.
Perhaps due to how they form fleets, it sounds like Red demands them to participate in HIS alliance group/fleet.

That part of dialogue I would have translate as
"You are compatriot human race. Join the Alliance."
The speech by Chamber is brief and abrupt. This gives a feeling that it is demanding it from the Gargantia people. I believe this is why those people raised their alert.

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Apr 10, 2013 5:14 AM

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Another great episode!
Just shows at the end how they can be in awe of Red & Chamber but also fear the power difference they have, that could easily wipe them all out.

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Apr 10, 2013 6:34 AM

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good stuff
makes me wonder about the pirate killing scene
if they ever make a manga ver. will it be bloody, gory, and gruesome like god damn hell?

Omnicast said:
"Chamber: STOP HAVING S*X IN MY HEAD!!!"

LOL!!!

lol
and somewhere out there someone is making a doujin of Bellows getting raped my those pirates

Apr 10, 2013 10:32 AM

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symbv said:

AnimageNeby said:
Ah, symbv, you're here too. Seems we frequently fancy the same sort of anime. ;-)

Or perhaps I just watch so many anime in a season that it is hard for you not to see me ;-) since I am not sure if you also love slice-of-life, harem and fanservice anime as much as I do ;-)

Lol. I guess that's true: if you are in almost every anime/forum out there, I could well have the incorrect impression that you fancy the same anime as me, while, in fact, it's randomly and broadly distributed, and my own anecdotal sample has no statistical significance. ;-)

In fact, I'm not too keen on slice-of-life (I find most boring, but in all honesty it could also be because I don't have the patience to 'get into' those slow-poke stories.) Normal harem isn't my thing; I either appreciate an anime intellectually with some necessary emotional/relational responses, or with my 'other head' ;-), but then I simply prefer hentai, ranging from yuri ( - which you appreciated too, I believe?) to...well, every hentai genre out there, including the more extreme(s). But the usual harem-genre doesn't do either: the story is often weak, the characters rather shallow, etc., but on the other hand, the ecchi part is often too light to actually do anything other than annoy me. Idem with fanservice; if it ain't compensated by other elements, I find it mildly distracting and annoying, and to please the more base desires, it doesn't go far enough.

That's how I look at things.

All in all, my genres are pretty eclectic, but the ones I appreciate most are either the more complex seinen, like Ghost in the shell, psycho-pass, Shinsekai yori, etc. Or the 'intelligent shounen', like HxH or Magi. A third genre I like is...well, dunno if it's an actual genre. It's more of the...weird/mysterious kind, with a lot of shojo elements in it (though, in fact, most of my genres are often a mix of shojo en shounen, en even seinen elements; I think a balanced mix of those make the best kind of anime). But anyway, series like 12 kingdoms, Kino's journey, Seirei no Moribito, RahXephon, etc. often have a strange feel to it, and won't be to everyones' taste, but I like them.

Actual harem or pure shojo or slice-of-life anime is pretty low on my list, however. Most are barely passable to me. The closest to that this season would be Chihayafuru, which is actually more about a peculiar non-western sport/hobby. But it's reasonably ok.

Anyway, I imagine you've read what I wrote and has been quoted a few times (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=577931&show=220#msg21331533) but since you didn't give input on that, I'll assume you basically agree. Mostly we end up in long discussions, so I noticed the lack thereof, now. ;-)

symbv said:

AnimageNeby said:
One thing I'm puzzled about, though, is by the reaction of when he (well, the AI) asked to which alliance they belong and who their commander is. It seems a rather normal question, but as Red said: "Why do they stiffen up when being asked that?" Clearly their reaction isn't what one would expect, so I guess I'm overseeing something of the sea-drifters' culture too.

It is more because of the awkward way Chamber is doing the interpretation/translation. The AI did not ask to which alliance they belong (translation error in subtitles?) but told the people of Gargantia to join the Alliance (and thus wanted to know who their commander is) even though it is not exactly what Ledo asked it to ask . Of course to those people it sounded like a demand and it is natural that they would raise their alert over such demand. When Ledo was surprised by their reaction and asked Chamber what it said, it just explained that this was a standard expression to start talks and extend invitation to join the Alliance. My guess is that as the Alliance expands over space it has this standard protocol to use to invite new members, but it perhaps sounded a bit blunt to those people in Gargantia.

Yes, I was thinking this was the only logical possibility, apart from some unknown cultural difference (but then even the 4th-wall watcher would be set unknowing to it, which isn't done often). Especially since the pirates were suggesting the same thing: join our fleet (=alliance?) or... so I guess they felt the same threat coming from Red/the AI. I guess they're pretty independent-minded, and not all alliances or fleet-joining occurs on amiable terms. That would, indeed, explain their sudden rise of alert.

Toucanbird said:
Hmm, so it's pretty much Macross meets Waterworld?

So far, I like it...although the sub work is less than stellar. I had to at least a few quick pauses to go "wait, what?" at some of the translations.

Hold your horses, there, mate. That comes off as slightly arrogant. The one who subbed it, is a member of this forum/thread, he's not a native English nor Japanese speaker, and it was his first sub he ever did. He did a fine job, considering all that. And, in fact, one should be grateful; if it weren't for him/her, we wouldn't have *anything* yet. I think it deserves some praise.

Moreover, it was rather good. Did you use the latest version of the .ass? Apart from some minor mistakes, most things were pretty well done and quite understandable. If you want to criticise, at least give some positive, constructive criticism so (s)he knows where to ameliorate, as I did here: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=577931&show=180#msg21319511

And, well, you know, I regard this in the same manner as I regard discussions on ICT-forums; talk is cheap, but *doing* something is the only thing with true value. So maybe it ain't perfect, and you and who knows can do better...but then just do it. I'm all in favour of a meritocracy, in these instances, where people act as they say. And if one doesn't do shite, one should be humble in criticising others that actually do the effort.

Nothing personal, just pointing out you come of (a bit) as being ungrateful, while you got something for free through the effort of someone else, who volunteered to do the job. You know: "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" and all that. Especially since the mouth wasn't all that bad to begin with.

AnimageNebyApr 10, 2013 11:33 AM

Apr 10, 2013 10:51 AM

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Oh man, shit's gonna go down in the next episode. Even though Red killed their enemies I can just imagine how people are going to react to his cold-blooded killer attitude.

Apr 10, 2013 11:12 AM

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AnimageNeby said:
In fact, I'm not to keen on slice-of-life (I find most boring, but in all honesty it could also be because I don't have the patience to 'get into' those slow-poke stories.) Normal harem isn't my thing; I either appreciate an anime intellectually with some necessary emotional/relational responses, or with my 'other head', but then I prefer hentai (ranging from yuri - which you appreciated too, I believe?) to...well, every hentai genre there is out there, including the more extreme. But the usual harem-genre doesn't do either: the story is often weak, the characters rather shallow, etc., but on the other hand, the ecchi part is often too light to actually do anything other than annoy me. Idem with fanservice; if it ain't compensated by other elements, I find it mildly distracting and annoying, and to please the more base desires, it doesn't go far enough.

Well, Slice of life is actually my favorite genre and I always have Japan to thank for introducing to me this genre, which has brought me so much fun and joy over the years. To me SoL is the distillation of everything good and funny about having a group of friends in everyday life. Harem is a male fantasy thing -- the more anti-intellectual the better (which is why ToLoveRu serves me best). That said, in both cases at the end the art in the character design and the chemistry of the character interactions are very important. The story, much less so, because at the end it is all fantasizing, which has to be done within the convention of the genre. I am always impressed by the multitude of the variations those creators come up within the straitjacket of the genre convention. People who don't like it would call it "generic" but at the end to follow the genre convention (thus "generic") is only to be expected. Fans of the genre always look beyond the convention to differentiate different works, which is why even similarly "generic" works do not sell equally well. And yes, I am a big fan of Yuri too. And hentai/ecchi too. I don't need other elements to distract me as long as the fanservice elements are good, but then my standard is still not so low that I would accept no story at all - I clearly derive more fun watching fanservice delivered in the context of some interesting situation than just watching a bunch of scenes delivered in snapshots like in some art album. One key belief I hold is that it is much better to appreciate a show by its own standard, and not trying to seek things that the show not meant to deliver, like some "realistic" story in a harem show for example. So I can go for deep analysis in a show like Gargantia, Psycho-Pass, or Shinsekai Yori but I would definitely avoid taking such approach if I talk about ToLoveRu or YuruYuri. As for shoujo, I do enjoy it (though reverse harem is a bit tricky to me) and often I find myself enjoy it more than the shounen battle stuff. Anyway, here you go. That's how I look at things.

AnimageNeby said:

Anyway, I imagine you''ve read what I wrote and has been quoted a few times (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=577931&show=220#msg21331533) but since you didn't give input on that, I'll assume you basically agree. Mostly we end up in long discussions, so I noticed the lack thereof, now. ;-)

Yeah, I guess you must have spent quite a bit of time and effort writing that? It is very well written and I do not think there is much I want to add, hence the lack of input ;-)

AnimageNeby said:
I guess they're pretty independend-minded, and not all alliances or fleet-joining occurs on amiable terms. That would, indeed, explain their sudden rise of alert.

That's what I think too. I sense that they may have interpreted what Chambers said about joining the Alliance as a demand for them to drop the weapons and lose their independence.

symbvApr 10, 2013 11:23 AM

So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.

Apr 10, 2013 11:14 AM

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Will they be scared or amazed!?!?
Ahh! I want the next episode nowww!!

Apr 10, 2013 11:20 AM

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SummerYoung said:
Oh man, shit's gonna go down in the next episode. Even though Red killed their enemies I can just imagine how people are going to react to his cold-blooded killer attitude.

Speaking of which, the leadership of Gargantia are a bit cold-blooded as well. They have spoken a few times on just taking the mech and throwing Red and "the other guy in the suit" overboard. That's the only meaning I garnered from the explanation of "sinking" him. Also, Gargantia was going to kill the pirates anyway since the defense forces were shooting automatic guns at them.

I think they were just in awe of the raw, superior power of Chamber. It's like showing a machine gun to people of the medieval era. You're in shock and amazement at the destructive potential. You want that kind of power for yourself, yet fear being on the wrong side of it.

Apr 10, 2013 12:05 PM

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symbv said:

alduren said:
Maybe I should have used dots instead of , in my translation.
Like "You are human comrades. Participate in the alliance."
But that's really what chamber said, so that's the only thing they could be tense about.
Perhaps due to how they form fleets, it sounds like Red demands them to participate in HIS alliance group/fleet.

That part of dialogue I would have translate as
"You are compatriot human race. Join the Alliance."
The speech by Chamber is brief and abrupt. This gives a feeling that it is demanding it from the Gargantia people. I believe this is why those people raised their alert.

Okey, I watched my translation again.

This is what I think is best.

"You guys/people are brethren同胞 of humanity (or /human brethren). Participate in The alliance("Our", The alliance, but our is not said out loud and is implied in the context)."

I feel your translation is a bit off, and start to become a new conversation than what is said just to explain the reaction a bit.

Think about it, Fearokku says it won't profit them to help desperate.
Ridget wants to dissemble and study the mecha regardless of the kid and operator.
Bellows gets out to dive for more treasure after stating she won't sit still while Ridget's people keep the treasure.
The hangar ships captain (that gets busted in ep 1 by chamber) is angry and asks Pinion who will compensate him for his ship.

Everything points towards a fleet that consists of multiple ship owners that looks out for their own people and ship. It's very possible they could switch fleets for profit, right?

If you remember, Bellows were offered to join the pirate group since their leader had a high opinion of her.
Chamber sounded like he wanted them to participate in his fleet's alliance, that's what I think got Ridget mad. An intruder suddenly appears and tells you, participate in the alliance. Of course you think about fleet alliances if you never seen anything else but ships your entire life.

aldurenApr 10, 2013 12:21 PM

Apr 10, 2013 12:13 PM

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alduren said:

symbv said:

alduren said:
Maybe I should have used dots instead of , in my translation.
Like "You are human comrades. Participate in the alliance."
But that's really what chamber said, so that's the only thing they could be tense about.
Perhaps due to how they form fleets, it sounds like Red demands them to participate in HIS alliance group/fleet.

That part of dialogue I would have translate as
"You are compatriot human race. Join the Alliance."
The speech by Chamber is brief and abrupt. This gives a feeling that it is demanding it from the Gargantia people. I believe this is why those people raised their alert.

Okey, I watched my translation again.

This is what I think is best.

"You guys/people are brethren同胞 of humanity (or /human brethren). Participate in The alliance("Our", The alliance, but our is not said out loud and is implied in the context)."

I feel your translation is a bit off, and start to become a new conversation than what is said just to explain the reaction a bit.

In my opinion, the reason they reacted may be explained later, if there are other fleets that are part of alliance groups they are not willing to join. If you remember, Bellows were offered to join the pirate group since their leader had a high opinion of her. Since fleets consists of multiple smaller ships bound together by locks, maybe it is common for them to switch alliances, and Chamber sounded like he wanted them to join his fleet.

BTW, Alduren, I noticed almost all anime sites have taken over your translation by now. You must be pretty proud; your work is all over the Net, now. :-)

And don't mind the ones on the forum who are just dishing it; you can't please everyone.

AnimageNebyApr 10, 2013 12:50 PM

Apr 10, 2013 2:02 PM

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AnimageNeby said:

alduren said:

symbv said:

alduren said:
Maybe I should have used dots instead of , in my translation.
Like "You are human comrades. Participate in the alliance."
But that's really what chamber said, so that's the only thing they could be tense about.
Perhaps due to how they form fleets, it sounds like Red demands them to participate in HIS alliance group/fleet.

That part of dialogue I would have translate as
"You are compatriot human race. Join the Alliance."
The speech by Chamber is brief and abrupt. This gives a feeling that it is demanding it from the Gargantia people. I believe this is why those people raised their alert.

Okey, I watched my translation again.

This is what I think is best.

"You guys/people are brethren同胞 of humanity (or /human brethren). Participate in The alliance("Our", The alliance, but our is not said out loud and is implied in the context)."

I feel your translation is a bit off, and start to become a new conversation than what is said just to explain the reaction a bit.

In my opinion, the reason they reacted may be explained later, if there are other fleets that are part of alliance groups they are not willing to join. If you remember, Bellows were offered to join the pirate group since their leader had a high opinion of her. Since fleets consists of multiple smaller ships bound together by locks, maybe it is common for them to switch alliances, and Chamber sounded like he wanted them to join his fleet.

BTW, Alduren, I noticed almost all anime sites have taken over your translation by now. You must be pretty proud; your work is all over the Net, now. :-)

And don't mind the ones on the forum who are just dishing it; you can't please everyone.

Lol yeah. it's on 95% of all streaming sites hahaha

It's actually so good, you would barely notice, that it was made by an amateur (compared to big sub groups and their usual releases). This is almost as good, if not equal to them. (Same stuff what you see in all streaming sites).

Pretty nice job lol

Apr 10, 2013 2:26 PM

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stefeman said:

AnimageNeby said:

alduren said:

symbv said:

alduren said:
Maybe I should have used dots instead of , in my translation.
Like "You are human comrades. Participate in the alliance."
But that's really what chamber said, so that's the only thing they could be tense about.
Perhaps due to how they form fleets, it sounds like Red demands them to participate in HIS alliance group/fleet.

That part of dialogue I would have translate as
"You are compatriot human race. Join the Alliance."
The speech by Chamber is brief and abrupt. This gives a feeling that it is demanding it from the Gargantia people. I believe this is why those people raised their alert.

Okey, I watched my translation again.

This is what I think is best.

"You guys/people are brethren同胞 of humanity (or /human brethren). Participate in The alliance("Our", The alliance, but our is not said out loud and is implied in the context)."

I feel your translation is a bit off, and start to become a new conversation than what is said just to explain the reaction a bit.

In my opinion, the reason they reacted may be explained later, if there are other fleets that are part of alliance groups they are not willing to join. If you remember, Bellows were offered to join the pirate group since their leader had a high opinion of her. Since fleets consists of multiple smaller ships bound together by locks, maybe it is common for them to switch alliances, and Chamber sounded like he wanted them to join his fleet.

BTW, Alduren, I noticed almost all anime sites have taken over your translation by now. You must be pretty proud; your work is all over the Net, now. :-)

And don't mind the ones on the forum who are just dishing it; you can't please everyone.

Lol yeah. it's on 95% of all streaming sites hahaha

It's actually so good, you would barely notice, that it was made by an amateur (compared to big sub groups and their usual releases). This is almost as good, if not equal to them. (Same stuff what you see in all streaming sites).

Pretty nice job lol

Yes congratulations to Alduren, I watched the episode with his subs and it was great, despite those dishing it out here I didn't feel much difference from Commie and the small issue didn't prevent me from enjoying the show. Thanks :)

Apr 10, 2013 2:56 PM

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Thank you for the nice words guys, warms the heart to know my work is appreciated :)

I'm currently 5% done with Dragon Quest ~Yuusha Abel Densetsu~.
42 episodes ^^

I will take my time with this and focus more on making it good quality.
Fits me perfect to pick up a show no one else subs, since I have very little free time now during the summer period (working as a chef, summer period is super busy.)

Apr 10, 2013 3:08 PM

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Irenesharda said:
Speaking of which, the leadership of Gargantia are a bit cold-blooded as well. They have spoken a few times on just taking the mech and throwing Red and "the other guy in the suit" overboard. That's the only meaning I garnered from the explanation of "sinking" him. Also, Gargantia was going to kill the pirates anyway since the defense forces were shooting automatic guns at them.

I think they were just in awe of the raw, superior power of Chamber. It's like showing a machine gun to people of the medieval era. You're in shock and amazement at the destructive potential. You want that kind of power for yourself, yet fear being on the wrong side of it.

Wait what?! Huh? Geh?

I think the only person that wants to kill Ledo and smash up Chamber was the retarded blonde... a Stereotype of Americans? By the way that idiot can't even scratch Chamber so I'm calling him retarded as he keeps going on about killing Ledo and breaking up Chamber like it's nothing... the dumbass spent a day trying everything to take it apart and that endeavor was fruitless. THUS HE IS A MORON OF THE HIGHEST CALIBER! Seriously greatest idiot in this entire show. I guess he's comedy relief? Pretty much every anime has one or a host of idiots in it.

Ridget wanted to Study Chamber, but she didn't say she wanted to kill Ledo. Of course I could be wrong about her, but the rest of the leaders including Fearokku didn't want to start anything yet. They feared that they might be outmatched(which they are by a margin of 10 thousand years or maybe even more).

Apr 10, 2013 3:24 PM

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Why do I have the feeling that instead of a "thanks" Red will be blamed for murdering everyone?*sighs* Poor Guy he is a killing machine, he does not understand. Amy should have been more specific like "help us but dont annihilate them okay".

Excellent episode.

OrulyonApr 10, 2013 3:28 PM

ワンダーランド花 ♥

Apr 10, 2013 3:32 PM

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Orulyon said:
Amy should have been more specific like "help us but dont annihilate them okay".

Yeah ... Amy could have been more specific, she just said "save Bellows".

But I think the problem is not that Ledo killed the Pirates, but that He did it with a power that is beyond anything Gargantia can muster in a thousand years and that He can destroy everything they know in 5 seconds.

The pirates had it coming and nobody is going to miss them.

meneliksempaiApr 10, 2013 3:39 PM

Apr 10, 2013 3:38 PM

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meneliksempai said:

Orulyon said:
Amy should have been more specific like "help us but dont annihilate them okay".

Yeah ... Amy could have been more specific, she just said "save Bellows".

But I think the problem is not that Ledo killed the Pirates, but that He did it with a power that is beyond anything Gargantia can muster in a thousand years.

I agree, i think that the problem is not that he killed them, but rather that he killed them so easily and quickly, they will see him as a dangerous threat as well as a potential ally. After all, he could literally wipe them out in an instant if he wished.

Apr 10, 2013 3:50 PM

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Episode 3 dialogue:

Primitives: "What the hell did you do to those pirates?!"
Chamber: "Pirates. Enemies. ANNIHILATED. Mwaha Mwahaha MWAHAHAHHAHAHA!"
Ledo: "Chamber stop that you just ruined your character."
Chamber: "Sorry."

Apr 10, 2013 4:00 PM

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Nikin said:
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Apr 10, 2013 4:15 PM

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meneliksempai said:

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Amy should have been more specific like "help us but dont annihilate them okay".

Yeah ... Amy could have been more specific, she just said "save Bellows".

But I think the problem is not that Ledo killed the Pirates, but that He did it with a power that is beyond anything Gargantia can muster in a thousand years and that He can destroy everything they know in 5 seconds.

The pirates had it coming and nobody is going to miss them.

Well, it's a bit of both, I think. The problem is, it's abundantly clear for all of the crew he didn't fight the pirates, he simple exterminated them. Both the ruthlessness and the scale will be several times worse than what they are used to. I don't think anyone, and certainly not Amy, meant annihilating every last one of the pirates when she asked for his help, even if the pirates are enemies. Add that to the huge difference in power and the scale and speed at which he did it, and the reaction will vary between disgust "What have you done?" to fear "he can wipe us out in 5 minutes".

All that, while he's thinking he has done his job well, and established a good working-relation now. ;-)

Will be interesting to see next episode. :-)

AnimageNebyApr 11, 2013 10:06 AM

Apr 10, 2013 4:29 PM

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