Takopii no Genzai Episode 5 Discussion

(Again, you might not read all'dat)

I feel you about Takopi being annoying, and to be honest, I really hated him too. He seems too annoying and doesn't react the way he should. But that’s what makes the show more “deep” (Ik you hate this word). It felt like he was really trying to understand human feelings and all. You can relate it to a kid who doesn’t know much about the feelings of people older than him, so his reaction to some events might seem super annoying—like, why the heck doesn’t he understand the situation? But when he gets older, he understands things more deeply and starts caring about others. Takopi is from a whole different planet, where there’s no word like “kill” or “die”. That just shows how different a species he is. When he switched bodies with the humans and saw things from their perspective, he realized what a mess the world really was, and he started understanding things more. Also, when Takopi forgets everything, he starts to feel annoying again.

I know the show sounds too dramatic at some points to seem “deep,” but it is kind of deep. Let me explain. It’s a show about kids suffering from their parents and bullies. If you see a kid being beaten up by someone, you wouldn’t quickly think about who the bad guy is or what’s going on—you’d just think the bad guy is beating up the innocent one. So you don’t really need a set of dialogues to explain what’s happening. What’s happening is being told directly. The little dramatic exaggeration is just a “feel” of the perspective—of what it would’ve been like if it were happening in front of you. So I don’t really mind it at all.

The show gives off perspective switches, and they are amazing. This show doesn’t tell you out loud who the bad or good person is—it makes you feel it from every perspective.

Sorry about the profile thing and for talking aggressively. The thing is, it’s really been a while since I’ve watched something this good, so I got angry for, I guess, nothing.
You’re a good guy for not talking back aggressively like I did.
I looked at your profile again and, to be honest, your taste is pretty cool.
I have to learn that, in the end, everyone has a personal taste.

top 3 twists oat, damn

as I understand at 1st he landed with marina where all of it started, she gets in a relationship with azuma and her relationship with her mother gets better, then shizuka gets in the way, azuma leaves her for shizuka then her mother go mad crazy and killed herself I think, when takopii gets back he says that he needs to kill shizuka so marina can be happy, going to the 1st ep where he just forgets everything and now wants shizuka to be happy

to this ep where shizuka kills takopii i think he remembers everything before he dies, and now the things gets changed with him landing with azuma ? as the last ep will be 2nd august thats what i understood

5 / 5 really superb ep this week

I don't know what to say. I feel like whatever I watched before, dare I say "dreaded" to watch, it's suddenly all scrapped and thrown into an industrial blender with ice-crusher blades. Perhaps that YouTube one that blended a Nokia 3310...

Holy effin' F. Suddenly we're back, and forward, and backwards... And I thought Kowloon's Generic Romance was confusing. How naive I was.

So, Takopi is a bad guy after all. I don't see a reason to think his mom was bad compared to the rest of the parents in the series... But even raising a hand to a mom is a sure way to qualify you as a bad person (or alien/octopus). A thing that isn't sound of its mind, that has way more to learn, like for instance, Restrain? The whole series has been all about pushing all the toys, getting ignored, doing something bad that satisfies any of the girls somehow, and then repenting. Zero observation, zero deduction, NADA. Just straight action without any thought about consequences.

Right now, I fear for Azuma. Just one episode left. Shizuka killed the octopus, and suddenly, he's somewhere between after Marina's murder, or way before that.

Honestly, I didn't like the Marina backstory. It's tragic, of course, that's the whole point of this series, perhaps. But it puts Azuma as just another guy who could only think with his other head when shown a little bit of appreciation from a woman, while there was... A blender in Marina's house.

At this point, I don't know what to think about the series. What was the point until now? Make me hate those kinds of parents even more? Well, it worked. 10/10 for that. But for everything else... I'll have to wait and see the last one. I can't understand how this is going to do a 180, or whatever degree of change of direction, in around 24 minutes or more of the episode. My guess, the next one is going to be a long one, just like the first.

Every new episode proves more and more that Marina was actually the good guy and Shizu the psyco killer, i love this anime



For the Marina haters it is still not too late to accept y'all were in the wrong

@LaczPro19
it seems like a lot of people doesn't understand the chronological order, it's not that complicated, some people just make it seems complicated

the chorological order of the show from what i know is:
1.Takopi Meet Marina in 2022, there was no takopi in the past, the shizuka bullying and her mother seduce marina father still happends,chappy is still dead dead, shizuka try to do suicide but failed, most likely because she didn't use takopi rope, marina still alive because no takopi incident, azuma most likely didn't reconcile with junya like we see, because marina murder didn't happen, and ended up being manipulated by shizuka and still bitter about junya

2.Takopi goes back in time with the big clock in happy planet, he also learn the concept of violence in earth...hurting his mother just to go back to the past and kill shizuka, it was his original sins

3.then everything from there goes from ep 1, with takopi forget about marina and his quest, there is something different this time tho, while the outcome is pretty bad because marina is killed, azuma is saved...this timeline he reconcile with junya and managed to resist shizuka manipulation, i kinda doubt you would like the ending tho with your take...

those character are still kids, they don't have super intelegence like conan or some other bullshit in anime, the only one that can do anything is takopi as a third party, he have power and understanding of each character at this point

This episode shows everything I really hate about this series. It uses cheap emotional tricks, shock value, and over the top trauma to pretend it’s deep and meaningful. The animation and direction are great, and you can see how a normally calm, subtle director had to go more obvious here. It still works in some scenes, using contrast well like he’s done before with directors like Toshimasa Ishii. But since this is Takopii, it also has to include disturbing, uncomfortable parts. If Mori had directed the whole thing, maybe he would’ve toned that down, but with what he was given, I think he did the best he could without making it too gross.

As for the twist with time travel, alternate timelines, and Takopi forgetting his original mission (“original sin,” nice title drop I guess), t’s all just dumb. Marina’s mom is mad over something ridiculous. Shizuka is now somehow the real villain for killing a boy who liked her. Takopi’s home world and logic make no sense. And Takopi himself is still super annoying and totally out of place in tone. It’s all just so stupid. Like the abused kids absorbing the trauma around them, Takopi’s return to the “happy” world just feels even darker....

... all because now he’s carrying all that pain and still no one’s talking honestly about anything.

What was the rule that Takopii broke with Marina? I know that with Shizuka it was giving her the rope thingy which she used to hang herself but now we know that this was AFTER he went back to Happy planet.

The episode was good, but what the fuck is even going on here? Why is everyone, their grandmas, and their dogs turning into psychopaths here? And most importantly, where is my sweet Shizuka from episode 1? Why is that mini Hitler turning crazier with each episode? And I feel bad for Momma Octopus, she never got slapped before, and Takopi bitch slapped her.

It's a great anime, but why is everything going bat shit crazy? This is probably one of the most fucked up anime I've watched, and that says a lot. It's great, but fucked. I do have to praise how this anime is being handled; it's well directed, and you can feel that psychedelic atmosphere in it.

1 more episode to go, let's see how everything wraps up.

There were so many events in episode 5. My feelings were truly mixed up because of it.

At the beginning, we’re shown the continuation from episode 2, where Shizuka finally goes alone to her father's house to meet Chappy (her dog). It turns out Chappy is not there, and Shizuka experiences another traumatic event by seeing her father happy with his new family and children.

With a broken heart, Shizuka asks Takopi for a tool to cut open the stomachs of her father's new children to see if they had eaten Chappy. This is truly horrifying for a child to say. (She was comparing it to Takopi eating a cicada.) Well, it’s very much a child's way of thinking, but because her mental state is already damaged, she projected that same thought onto humans.

Takopi, unable to grant Shizuka’s request, ends up being killed by her. (Perhaps this is the result of a broken mind.)

Just before his death, Takopi remembers the reason he originally came to Earth.
The story shifts to the time when Takopi first arrived on Earth, and it turns out the first person he met was Marine (in her high school version). Takopi appeared in this version to bring happiness to Marine. Marine didn’t give him a name, and often hit and kicked him. Takopi understood that Marine behaved that way because of her mother. At one point, Marine dated Azuma. But when a transfer student, who turns out to be Shizuka, crossed paths with Azuma, Azuma broke up with Marine because he had liked Shizuka since childhood. (In this version of the story, the overall storyline remains the same—Marine as a child still bullied and was violent toward Shizuka, but the difference is that Shizuka’s suicide attempt failed because the rope broke, and she eventually moved away.)

Previously, Marine was planning to bring Azuma to her house. Her mother, who was usually depressed due to her broken marriage, suddenly appeared normal again and cooked lots of food. But the news from Marine triggered her mother's stress. A horrifying act of violence occurred, ending with Marine defending herself and killing her mother. With hatred toward Shizuka, Marine took her own life while saying she should have killed Shizuka back in 4th grade. (This episode seems to push us into hating Shizuka, but have you realized? The problems in this story are so complex that it's hard to take sides.)

Takopi, witnessing all of that, vowed to kill Shizuka because he believed Shizuka was the root cause of Marine’s pain. He returned to his planet (in this version, Takopi’s rocket wasn’t broken) and tried to use the giant clock to return to the past. But his mother rejected his request because he had violated the rules of the Happy creatures. Takopi fought his mother and used the clock to go back to the time when Marine and Shizuka were still kids.

The story returns to the beginning, with Takopi constantly remembering his mission to kill Shizuka. But in between, Takopi also remembers that Shizuka had been kind to him, giving him food and such, and realizes that Shizuka acted that way because she suffered abuse from Marine.

Takopi said, if he killed Shizuka, wouldn’t that make him evil too?

When the story goes back to the beginning, this time the one Takopi meets first is Azuma.

Please correct me if I misunderstood anything in this episode! 🙏🏻
Honestly, I’m confused about this episode—did Takopi move to a different universe, or just to a different timeline?
I’m also unsure—who did Takopi meet first?
The ending of episode 5, where Takopi meets Azuma, seems to suggest that episode 6 (the final one) will have a different direction.

anyone who still takes this show seriously after this episode are the dumbest mfs alive.

this show is a great piece of entertainment, it's very well made, but the underlying unchallenged outdated/harmful social norm biases are too essential for the story to make sense, and the plot design are just trying too hard to be edgy lmao

watch it as an entertainment. but if you think it tells you anything about real life u either needs serious help, or just needs to go outside.

@rishabhvish__ Thanks for the apology, means a lot. And I get that the show really meant something to you. I’m not saying it can’t have deep themes or emotion. I just think the way it tells the story doesn’t work.

Takopii not understanding things because he’s from another world, I get that. But to me, it still didn’t feel natural. He was annoying not just because he didn’t get it, but because the writing didn’t balance his tone with the dark stuff around him. It felt off and made serious moments harder to take seriously.

And yeah, the show shows bad stuff happening without spelling everything out, but I still think it goes overboard. It’s so dramatic all the time that it starts to feel forced instead of real. I like emotional stories, but I want them to feel earned, not just heavy for the sake of being heavy.

Listen, you can like the show all you want, but for me, there are just a lot of glaring issues that hold me back from enjoying it. I won’t look through your profile personally, but just the fact that you have a Champloo picture tells me your taste is pretty cool too. Just like we can both agree that Champloo is a pretty amazing series, we can also have different opinions on this show, and that’s fine. It’s what makes us human, bud :)

I haven't read the manga, so i don’t know how the story ends, but so far i don’t see anything about “ppl aren’t evil” part from the show and ive seen comments made about how this show is about “the evil of human nature”. i’ll take ur words for it if you'd like since it doesn’t really affect my grips with the show anyway.

the whole “cruelty breeds cruelty” “hurt ppl hurt ppl” is a old stigma that were weaponzied AGAINST THE VICTIMS.

if we were to take bullying as a serious subject then the end goal should always be stopped it from occuring.
from this perspective i don't think the show has anything serious to say about (or even interested in) bullying when even ur takeaway is just "be kind" PSA.
i think the “punishment” u emphasize should be in service of discouraging bullying from occurring, not cruelty for cruelty’s sake.

this show has a great story, and i personally don't think a piece of entertainment has to justified it's existence for some educational purposes. not ur mom lol.
its just with a closer look, it does undeniably plays into a lot of normalized societal prejudice, the lack of support for the victims of bullying, single parent household, sexwork, good old misogyny etc etc.

im willing to elaborate my thoughts in dm if you're honestly invested. so that i don't waste hours of my time on a 500+ words response that no one bothers to finish reading but a pure embarrassment for myself haha <3