LeBestWeeb said: Because it did not affect YOU negatively doesn't mean it's not a bad thing. Don't justify the existence of plot holes and incoherence with your low standards or with the fact that you do not care about a story being cohesive and well written. I think that we can all agree that plot holes, while they might not always bother you or ruin your enjoyment, are always something you would wish didn't exist or wasn't present in a story. If you write a story that doesn't make sense, but tries to take itself seriously then the show is poorly written. Then I'll ask you yet again, for the third time now I think - what makes those things objectively bad and why should I adhere to your standards on what's good and what isn't? I'm asking this in earnest yet again, because you're yet to deliver and are just relying on saying I have low standards to try to discredit my argument - which might be true from your perspective, but I don't necessarily find that to be a bad thing really. No worse than having unnecessarily high standards to the point where everything sucks, at least. Collective agreement on something doesn't necessarily constitute fact, either, as there's been plenty of times throughout history on all levels of stages where the majority has been the ones in the wrong. Why you're reaching out to ask everybody to confirm what you have to say when you're the one making the claim and I'm just questioning you on it is beyond me. I still don't think we should force people to say something sucks just because of commonly accepted critical standards. |
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LeBestWeeb said: Lisbon said: Then I'll ask you yet again, for the third time now I think - what makes those things objectively bad and why should I adhere to your standards on what's good and what isn't? I'm asking this in earnest yet again, because you're yet to deliver and are just relying on saying I have low standards to try to discredit my argument - which might be true from your perspective, but I don't necessarily find that to be a bad thing really. No worse than having unnecessarily high standards to the point where everything sucks, at least. Collective agreement on something doesn't necessarily constitute fact, either, as there's been plenty of times throughout history on all levels of stages where the majority has been the ones in the wrong. Why you're reaching out to ask everybody to confirm what you have to say when you're the one making the claim and I'm just questioning you on it is beyond me. I still don't think we should force people to say something sucks just because of commonly accepted critical standards. You're asking me why a story that doesn't make sense, is incoherent and doesn't follow it's own rules is bad. You're really asking me how mistakes in the writing are not problems ? I mean if you're going to fall back on this again there's no use talking or arguing about anything with you. Keep thinking that everything you enjoyed is a flawless piece of art and go on, defend plot holes because they supposedly aren't ''objectively bad''. With pleasure, my man. I could bring up the issue of how you didn't cite specific examples of plot holes or incoherent stories and instead put forth commonly used criticisms in a vague manner and then started talking about how everybody here could agree with you that these things are bad instead of taking things on a case by case basis like a good critic would do, but it's almost 1 a.m. where I'm at and I feel like I won't be able to get through to you about the concept of some people not finding things you think are big issues to be very bad at all and therefore they're not entirely and factually wrong for that. I mean, I just did that anyway so I guess the first few words of that paragraph are redundant, but I'll still bid you a good night and thank you for the discussion, I guess. |
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Lisbon said: Gesu- said: At least elitists don't fucking attack people. Also, lol literally dying at this, can't tell if irony or if you legitimately believe this Umm, I don't see the irony in this because I never attacked anyone that said they liked SAO or something. I just criticize such anime and these guys can't take it so they respond with attacking us, as people. If anything, I've seen elitists shit on people's taste but I haven't seen them posting comments on their profiles saying how shit their taste is and how they should kill themselves for liking a certain anime. That's what ATTACKING is.. I've been attacked for rating FLCL a 9 and rating clannad with a 2. Is that really justified? I dare you to tell me that I deserved it.. Lisbon said: tragedydesu said: i didnt attack anyone lol "elitist anime are boring" that's all i said like every elitist say "popular anime are shit" I don't know why you expect those kind of people to grasp such an obvious double standard, honestly. Too wrapped up in their own egos. Anyway, my favorite part of this thread was when people started complaining about "anime elitist hunters" It is the prime example of being able to dish it out but not take it when they're met with return fire Okay. So you're telling me that we shouldn't speak up about cancerous 14 year olds who look at peoples profiles and attack them based on their favorites? The thing here is I personally never attacked anyone. And I'm not really sure why anyone deserves to be attacked based on their anime list or their favorites, yet we see those 'elitist hunter' doing the same without any provocation. It's like the very fact that you like Ergo Proxy makes you liable to attacks. And besides, looking at your post count I doubt that you've been around enough to know what he's said. We;ve been seeing him spout bullshit for the last 6 months, it's as if you just decided to join a fight without knowing the context. Lisbon said: tragedydesu said: they think there favorites can not be hated is funny how they keep whining about their favorites being unpopular and insult others for liking popular shows Then they act like they're victims of bullying or something when people get tired of them looking down on others so they fire back It's just so pathetic, really. It's not even like that character who'd be a dick and then at least stand their ground when somebody rose up against them - y'know, at least a little respect can be had because they're willing to try and back up the way they act - they're more like that really annoying minor antagonist who acts like they're hot shit and then when it comes time to reap what they sow and somebody tells them off for it they act like they're the victims of some kind of fuckin' witch hunt. It's just too much So what you're basically doing is comparing a real life situation to an anime and generalizing EVERYONE who likes shows that you think are 'elitist' shows. Right.. So you're turning this into your own circlejerk and you're completely shutting your mind off to any other opinions or perspectives. If you could only just drop the blind hate and think about it rationally, you'd understand that NOT NECESSARILY EVERYONE WHO LIKES CERTAIN ANIME HATES ON PEOPLE WHO DON'T. DISLIKING YOUR FAVORITE ANIME AND RATING TATAMI GALAXY A 10 ISN'T CALLED 'ATTACKING'. You have no context of the situation whatsoever, make your arguments based on generalizations and think that you're really smart. All you're doing is attacking these group of people known as 'elitists' whereas I doubt that you know who an elitist even is.. Definitions range from 'people who shit on other peoples taste' to 'people who like Eva' and yet you generalize everyone that falls under the spectrum between these two definitions.. This thread needs more @Comic_Sans |
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Bourmegar said: TheBrainintheJar said: Knowing what type of story you're telling is necessary in pretty much every great anime. A lot of anime fail because they have no idea how their story is supposed to work. The only one that got away is Future Diary, but that's because it tries everything and the result is fascinating. And that is why Critics do exist am I right? I have seen many Many shows go Wrong because they have no idea how their story is supposed to work. like Kiznaiver for example, it is a si-fi Drama but the Drama is trying way to hard to be emotional in such a way that even the Science fiction gets infected by such stuff as "Voice from your heart". We exist because stories are serious business and someone needs to analyze them. I prefer shows that are bad in a messy way rather than boring. At least they put some effort. |
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Gesu- said: You called?This thread needs more @Comic_Sans Lisbon said: You would have to know what a double standard is first to be able to call people out for using double standardsI don't know why you expect those kind of people to grasp such an obvious double standard, honestly. Too wrapped up in their own egos. Anyway, my favorite part of this thread was when people started complaining about "anime elitist hunters" So you expect me to bash elitists all the time but you don't think self proclaimed twelve year old elitist hunters who'll go out of their way to make thousands of elitism bashing threads and attack people in the profile comments section for having "elitist anime" in their favorites – despite the fact that said "elitists" might not even be elitists – deserve the same treatment?It is the prime example of being able to dish it out but not take it when they're met with return fire The allies used the same excuse when they tried to justify the fact that they nearly destroyed Germany after WW1 |
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ashfrliebert said: " Why is the anime community being populated with fans I hate? I hate Musashi fans, I hate senien anime fans, I hate slice of life fans, I hate Monster fans, I hate Ergo Proxy fans, I hate Texhnolyze fans, I hate Ghost in the shell fans! I hate Ping Pong The Animation fans and I hate Kino no tabi fans! Eva! Ashita no joe! Usaji drop! Legend of galatic heroes!! All they do is shit on the anime I like!" -___- I didn't know that Kino's Journey actually had a dedicated fan base. The elitist can be pretty scary people, why don't we all just enjoy anime in the way we do without hating on each other xD I don't care if I don't have anime in common with someone, that's just more for me to pick up and check out. |
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Tenyasha said: To be fair he is both, depends what videos you watch, how do you approach him. Being elitist is mostly just his youtube persona. Some are fair criticism others are just bashing on them. His written reviews are from a critic point of view not elitist one, most of the time.There are elitists and critics, and many times both are put in the same box when it shouldn't be so. A critic is someone who states their opinion and makes use of several examples within the anime to explain how he feels about an anime, or a single aspect of it. They usually don't curse or make it seem like their opinions are facts, they just look at anime in a different way from the casual viewer. An elitist is someone like ThatAnimeSnob, whose value as a "critic", as he calls himself, is zero because he can't back up his arguments and instead relies on making the other party seem inferior and calling them names. They state their opinions as if they were facts and claim objectivity in fiction which to me is laughable. These people just blindly hate on stuff and rarely present any sort of evidence. Also they tend to fall on all of the common logical fallacies there are. I think this distinction is important, honestly. There are obvious differences between these two "archetypes" of anime viewers that make them completely different, since the first usually looks at anime critically while the second is just an asshole. |
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zal said: Tenyasha said: To be fair he is both, depends what videos you watch, how do you approach him. Being elitist is mostly just his youtube persona. Some are fair criticism others are just bashing on them. His written reviews are from a critic point of view not elitist one, most of the time.There are elitists and critics, and many times both are put in the same box when it shouldn't be so. A critic is someone who states their opinion and makes use of several examples within the anime to explain how he feels about an anime, or a single aspect of it. They usually don't curse or make it seem like their opinions are facts, they just look at anime in a different way from the casual viewer. An elitist is someone like ThatAnimeSnob, whose value as a "critic", as he calls himself, is zero because he can't back up his arguments and instead relies on making the other party seem inferior and calling them names. They state their opinions as if they were facts and claim objectivity in fiction which to me is laughable. These people just blindly hate on stuff and rarely present any sort of evidence. Also they tend to fall on all of the common logical fallacies there are. I think this distinction is important, honestly. There are obvious differences between these two "archetypes" of anime viewers that make them completely different, since the first usually looks at anime critically while the second is just an asshole. Snob is a bad critic IMO. When it's explained properly on why something happens, he said 'it just happens because why the fuck not?'. Clearly he is just a nitpicker. |
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You said: It is almost impossible to have a serious conversation with him on youtube. In the reviews on animeDB he is fairer, also not all nitpicks are really nitpicking if they are relevant, so it is mostly a case by case argument.zal said: To be fair he is both, depends what videos you watch, how do you approach him. Being elitist is mostly just his youtube persona. Some are fair criticism others are just bashing on them. His written reviews are from a critic point of view not elitist one, most of the time. Snob is a bad critic IMO. When it's explained properly on why something happens, he said 'it just happens because why the fuck not?'. Clearly he is just a nitpicker. |
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Otaku-Gunso said: I didn't know that Kino's Journey actually had a dedicated fan base. The elitist can be pretty scary people, why don't we all just enjoy anime in the way we do without hating on each other xD I don't care if I don't have anime in common with someone, that's just more for me to pick up and check out. I was being sarcastic.(or mockign anyway) There is alot of irony in the elitist complaints that people who call others elitist insult others solely because they disagree with what shows they choose to enjoy. Tenyasha said: There are elitists and critics, and many times both are put in the same box when it shouldn't be so. A critic is someone who states their opinion and makes use of several examples within the anime to explain how he feels about an anime, or a single aspect of it. They usually don't curse or make it seem like their opinions are facts, they just look at anime in a different way from the casual viewer. An elitist is someone like ThatAnimeSnob, whose value as a "critic", as he calls himself, is zero because he can't back up his arguments and instead relies on making the other party seem inferior and calling them names. They state their opinions as if they were facts and claim objectivity in fiction which to me is laughable. These people just blindly hate on stuff and rarely present any sort of evidence. Also they tend to fall on all of the common logical fallacies there are. I think this distinction is important, honestly. There are obvious differences between these two "archetypes" of anime viewers that make them completely different, since the first usually looks at anime critically while the second is just an asshole. I get what your saying, but people call those people elitist because basically they disagree with their anime taste,they like what they don't and hate what they do, so there must be problem in the community. There's obviously nothing wrong with criticizing anime and I'd agree ten times over that you should look at flaws of fiction. But when they go as far to criticize and generalize a fanbase as "elitist" because the anime is apparently too complicated for them, that's where irony kicks it. The problem with this "objective/subjective/criticism" debate is that in every "elitist thread", people are either talking about that or talking about people not liking what they like and liking what they don't. Or talking about people liking unpopular things, Or talking about people who like popular things! Every single time. The conversation and definitions of "anime elitism" itself are inconsistent. It's impossible to have a conversation about this if no one has even settled on what they are talking about. if you dont like a anime just f*cking shut up , everyone has their own tastes i seriously hate these kind of people when i dont like a anime i dont post bad things about it i respect the tastes of others these kind of people just seek attention "elitist are people who don't respect that everyone has their opinion, don't criticize what I like!" http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1481091&show=0#msg44677001 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1509714&show=0 elitist are people with boring taste! http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1491414#msg45190671 elitist are people who like stuff I don't! http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1448156&show=0 elitist are sci-fans! "http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1444437&show=0" elitist are people with specific objective criteria! "http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1434765&show=0#msg42463525" elitist are hipsters! Bonus http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1297507&show=50 23 pages of unique definitions on what an elitist is! Should I go on? See more goodies - http://myanimelist.net/forum/?action=search&q=elitist&u=&uloc=1&loc=1 How do people post in these threads without realizing they've been in the same conversation for the past 12 years |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Bourmegar said: And that is why Critics do exist am I right? I have seen many Many shows go Wrong because they have no idea how their story is supposed to work. like Kiznaiver for example, it is a si-fi Drama but the Drama is trying way to hard to be emotional in such a way that even the Science fiction gets infected by such stuff as "Voice from your heart". We exist because stories are serious business and someone needs to analyze them. I prefer shows that are bad in a messy way rather than boring. At least they put some effort. I just prefer Shows that are not bad unless it is a "so bad that it is good" or a guilty pleasure. Besides, Most Decent or better shows have some effort in them Gladly. Imagine a world without Critics, how would that be? |
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ashfrliebert said: Otaku-Gunso said: I didn't know that Kino's Journey actually had a dedicated fan base. The elitist can be pretty scary people, why don't we all just enjoy anime in the way we do without hating on each other xD I don't care if I don't have anime in common with someone, that's just more for me to pick up and check out. I was being sarcastic.(or mockign anyway) There is alot of irony in the elitist complaints that people who call others elitist insult others solely because they disagree with what shows they choose to enjoy. Tenyasha said: There are elitists and critics, and many times both are put in the same box when it shouldn't be so. A critic is someone who states their opinion and makes use of several examples within the anime to explain how he feels about an anime, or a single aspect of it. They usually don't curse or make it seem like their opinions are facts, they just look at anime in a different way from the casual viewer. An elitist is someone like ThatAnimeSnob, whose value as a "critic", as he calls himself, is zero because he can't back up his arguments and instead relies on making the other party seem inferior and calling them names. They state their opinions as if they were facts and claim objectivity in fiction which to me is laughable. These people just blindly hate on stuff and rarely present any sort of evidence. Also they tend to fall on all of the common logical fallacies there are. I think this distinction is important, honestly. There are obvious differences between these two "archetypes" of anime viewers that make them completely different, since the first usually looks at anime critically while the second is just an asshole. I get what your saying, but people call those people elitist because basically they disagree with their anime taste,they like what they don't and hate what they do, so there must be problem in the community. There's obviously nothing wrong with criticizing anime and I'd agree ten times over that you should look at flaws of fiction. But when they go as far to criticize and generalize a fanbase as "elitist" because the anime is apparently too complicated for them, that's where irony kicks it. The problem with this "objective/subjective/criticism" debate is that in every "elitist thread", people are either talking about that or talking about people not liking what they like and liking what they don't. Or talking about people liking unpopular things, Or talking about people who like popular things! Every single time. The conversation and definitions of "anime elitism" itself are inconsistent. It's impossible to have a conversation about this if no one has even settled on what they are talking about. if you dont like a anime just f*cking shut up , everyone has their own tastes i seriously hate these kind of people when i dont like a anime i dont post bad things about it i respect the tastes of others these kind of people just seek attention "elitist are people who don't respect that everyone has their opinion, don't criticize what I like!" http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1481091&show=0#msg44677001 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1509714&show=0 elitist are people with boring taste! http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1491414#msg45190671 elitist are people who like stuff I don't! http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1448156&show=0 elitist are sci-fans! "http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1444437&show=0" elitist are people with specific objective criteria! "http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1434765&show=0#msg42463525" elitist are hipsters! Bonus http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1297507&show=50 23 pages of unique definitions on what an elitist is! Should I go on? See more goodies - http://myanimelist.net/forum/?action=search&q=elitist&u=&uloc=1&loc=1 How do people post in these threads without realizing they've been in the same conversation for the past 12 years Because ppl are to lazy to look for other threads when they want to talk about something. |
Bourmegar said: TheBrainintheJar said: We exist because stories are serious business and someone needs to analyze them. I prefer shows that are bad in a messy way rather than boring. At least they put some effort. I just prefer Shows that are not bad unless it is a "so bad that it is good" or a guilty pleasure. Besides, Most Decent or better shows have some effort in them Gladly. Imagine a world without Critics, how would that be? There is effort put into most anime, but sometimes one department is ridiculously more talented than the rest. The character design of Freezing is beautiful. No anime can rival it for sexy designs, but the story's a mess. A world without critics would be a world where art has no value. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Bourmegar said: I just prefer Shows that are not bad unless it is a "so bad that it is good" or a guilty pleasure. Besides, Most Decent or better shows have some effort in them Gladly. Imagine a world without Critics, how would that be? There is effort put into most anime, but sometimes one department is ridiculously more talented than the rest. The character design of Freezing is beautiful. No anime can rival it for sexy designs, but the story's a mess. A world without critics would be a world where art has no value. Yh the story of Freezing didn't make sense at all, Especially the first season which just had a big monster suddenly pop-up. I am probably one of the very few who thinks that the second season was better Because there was more focus on the story and from all the Characters, I only liked the one with the big Gauntlet. and if there were no Critics then there would be no one to appreciate Shows that Valued art more then anything else like Mushishi, Planetes or Kino no Tabi...... |
Yuniversal said: tbh nowadays what i see is casual teasing/poking elitist I just find them highly entertaining Do they earn my respect? Not even close. But it's funny watching them fight so hard to prove why a casual deserves cancer (yea i'm using MAL definition here) |
Xarvyn said: what about HxH is superior to pupa?Anyone can be a fan of any anime they want, but saying that it's superior to all others is immature. . |
Bourmegar said: Or in sense other discussion hold different definition of elitist from them, so they started a new one.ashfrliebert said: I was being sarcastic.(or mockign anyway) There is alot of irony in the elitist complaints that people who call others elitist insult others solely because they disagree with what shows they choose to enjoy. I get what your saying, but people call those people elitist because basically they disagree with their anime taste,they like what they don't and hate what they do, so there must be problem in the community. There's obviously nothing wrong with criticizing anime and I'd agree ten times over that you should look at flaws of fiction. But when they go as far to criticize and generalize a fanbase as "elitist" because the anime is apparently too complicated for them, that's where irony kicks it. The problem with this "objective/subjective/criticism" debate is that in every "elitist thread", people are either talking about that or talking about people not liking what they like and liking what they don't. Or talking about people liking unpopular things, Or talking about people who like popular things! Every single time. The conversation and definitions of "anime elitism" itself are inconsistent. It's impossible to have a conversation about this if no one has even settled on what they are talking about. "elitist are people who don't respect that everyone has their opinion, don't criticize what I like!" http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1481091&show=0#msg44677001 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1509714&show=0 elitist are people with boring taste! http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1491414#msg45190671 elitist are people who like stuff I don't! http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1448156&show=0 elitist are sci-fans! "http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1444437&show=0" elitist are people with specific objective criteria! "http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1434765&show=0#msg42463525" elitist are hipsters! Bonus http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1297507&show=50 23 pages of unique definitions on what an elitist is! Should I go on? See more goodies - http://myanimelist.net/forum/?action=search&q=elitist&u=&uloc=1&loc=1 How do people post in these threads without realizing they've been in the same conversation for the past 12 years Because ppl are to lazy to look for other threads when they want to talk about something. |
Kofrine said: Yuniversal said: tbh nowadays what i see is casual teasing/poking elitist I just find them highly entertaining Do they earn my respect? Not even close. But it's funny watching them fight so hard to prove why a casual deserves cancer (yea i'm using MAL definition here) Eh thats true It's pretty hard to find a full blown borderline Nazi tier elitist these days, but when I do find one I usually make tons of popcorn xD |
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Kofrine said: Xarvyn said: what about HxH is superior to pupa?Anyone can be a fan of any anime they want, but saying that it's superior to all others is immature. . What I meant by that is having a superiority complex towards one anime and not giving others a chance because they look "unintelligent" |
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Kofrine said: Or in sense other discussion hold different definition of elitist from them, so they started a new one. First off, elitism has a different meaning for like 70% of users, second, this thread is NOT about debating and intercepting the definition of "anime elitist"--it's just about complaining about them. And half the people talk to themselves, in a questionnaire-type interpretation of the question, and, again, no one even agrees on what their answering. This is a terrible combination |
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Bourmegar said: TheBrainintheJar said: There is effort put into most anime, but sometimes one department is ridiculously more talented than the rest. The character design of Freezing is beautiful. No anime can rival it for sexy designs, but the story's a mess. A world without critics would be a world where art has no value. Yh the story of Freezing didn't make sense at all, Especially the first season which just had a big monster suddenly pop-up. I am probably one of the very few who thinks that the second season was better Because there was more focus on the story and from all the Characters, I only liked the one with the big Gauntlet. and if there were no Critics then there would be no one to appreciate Shows that Valued art more then anything else like Mushishi, Planetes or Kino no Tabi...... The second season of Freezing was much better indeed. There was a clear, interesting theme running there and more focus on the female characters (who are more developed both physically and personality-wise). I still think they kind of screwed it up, but there was potential to turn Vibration into both smart and entertaining. I disagree about your second statement. I don't think these artistic anime are so distinct from 'pure entertainment'. There is art to entertainment, and a lot of artistic agent suck me in. I keep getting surprised whenever a Paranoia Agent episode ends |
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