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| Hopefully, it is the same headset from SAO because i don't want to be dancing all around my house playing the game O.O |
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Zanzie said: ThanatosPersona said: Considering how VRMMOs are popular in anime, it may be POSSIBLE that Japan would start developing a system like Accel World's neuro-linker or SAO's nerve gear. If it develops and eventually releases, let's just hope it's not OVER the average price of consoles. ($100-$300). This "Virtual Reality" is not real virtual reality. The method you use is; you load up a video game on your desktop PC. Plug in the Oculus, then you have a few of the game up close. Now you have your mouse+keyboard and you play. http://www.gamezone.com/products/gear-gadgets/previews/pax-prime-2012-oculus-rift-hands-on-preview As you can see in the video; you're supposed to train yourself to not use the right joystick. The controller is used for everything. It's honestly just a screen+your right joystick. So it wouldn't be a console they sell, it'd be an accessory. Also it's impossible to do what they did on SAO. It's not even possible in laboratories as a previous poster has said. The brain is too intricate to implement this. We don't have complete knowledge of the brain. Every single person has a different place where their body functionality is. If we even had laboratories to figure out where they are located in a body; it'd mean we could cure paralysis. But you honestly cannot. We can re-attach nerves and make them re-connect to the brain...(Read on for the explanation how it doesn't work) Just a bizarre thought, but wouldn't it be nice if the game worked more like how people and animals can control mouse cursor with brain? SO like instead of moving yourself at all, you'd just tell your imagination what to do? When you want to jump, in your imagination and in program you will jump, etc. Like in SAO, person just lies in bed and plays the game.. |
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Lylaaz said: Zanzie said: ThanatosPersona said: Considering how VRMMOs are popular in anime, it may be POSSIBLE that Japan would start developing a system like Accel World's neuro-linker or SAO's nerve gear. If it develops and eventually releases, let's just hope it's not OVER the average price of consoles. ($100-$300). This "Virtual Reality" is not real virtual reality. The method you use is; you load up a video game on your desktop PC. Plug in the Oculus, then you have a few of the game up close. Now you have your mouse+keyboard and you play. http://www.gamezone.com/products/gear-gadgets/previews/pax-prime-2012-oculus-rift-hands-on-preview As you can see in the video; you're supposed to train yourself to not use the right joystick. The controller is used for everything. It's honestly just a screen+your right joystick. So it wouldn't be a console they sell, it'd be an accessory. Also it's impossible to do what they did on SAO. It's not even possible in laboratories as a previous poster has said. The brain is too intricate to implement this. We don't have complete knowledge of the brain. Every single person has a different place where their body functionality is. If we even had laboratories to figure out where they are located in a body; it'd mean we could cure paralysis. But you honestly cannot. We can re-attach nerves and make them re-connect to the brain...(Read on for the explanation how it doesn't work) Just a bizarre thought, but wouldn't it be nice if the game worked more like how people and animals can control mouse cursor with brain? SO like instead of moving yourself at all, you'd just tell your imagination what to do? When you want to jump, in your imagination and in program you will jump, etc. Like in SAO, person just lies in bed and plays the game.. It takes lots of calibrations and even more practice to be able to do a simple function like that. There is not a specific part on the human brain that is associated with jumping or waving- you have to find the exact group of brain cells, which differs from person to person. You might even have to do invasive brain surgery. It's one thing to say that it's theoretically possible - which, to some extent, it is - but a whole different one to make it practically doable. And there is never going to be a way to do so - technology advances with a speed that makes it hard to make predictions, but the human body stays the same over the millenia. And the way it is stractured does not leave much possible in the field of neural links. In the future it is almost certain we'll have prosthetic limbs that will work like normal ones, but that is because there are only a handful of nerves that control them, and they are ommon among all humans. The brain however is too chaotic to do something like that. As far as VR is concerned, you should not be expecting anything more advanced than direct image projection to the back of the eyes coupled with motion and optical sensors. That's as far as technology can go and still remain practical. |
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| It's not that the motor cortex is unique in every person it's that the motor cortex isn't fully understood at all yet. |
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| IGN discuss the Oculus Rift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlLnNBo7HGI&feature=g-all-u |
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Obstinate said: IGN discuss the Oculus Rift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlLnNBo7HGI&feature=g-all-u Damn, that lookes so awesome, as well as promising. Seems like someone managed to pull it of. The future of gaming is bright I'd say :P |
| Thinking of a sao like game in the future makes me want to really live long enough to experience it :( |
warshoot3r said: Thinking of a sao like game in the future makes me want to really live long enough to experience it :( agreed makes me want to live long enough to see it. Unfortunatly we will have to wait another 10-30 years before it is created |
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Zanzie said: ThanatosPersona said: Considering how VRMMOs are popular in anime, it may be POSSIBLE that Japan would start developing a system like Accel World's neuro-linker or SAO's nerve gear. If it develops and eventually releases, let's just hope it's not OVER the average price of consoles. ($100-$300). This "Virtual Reality" is not real virtual reality. The method you use is; you load up a video game on your desktop PC. Plug in the Oculus, then you have a few of the game up close. Now you have your mouse+keyboard and you play. http://www.gamezone.com/products/gear-gadgets/previews/pax-prime-2012-oculus-rift-hands-on-preview As you can see in the video; you're supposed to train yourself to not use the right joystick. The controller is used for everything. It's honestly just a screen+your right joystick. So it wouldn't be a console they sell, it'd be an accessory. Also it's impossible to do what they did on SAO. It's not even possible in laboratories as a previous poster has said. The brain is too intricate to implement this. We don't have complete knowledge of the brain. Every single person has a different place where their body functionality is. If we even had laboratories to figure out where they are located in a body; it'd mean we could cure paralysis. But you honestly cannot. We can re-attach nerves and make them re-connect to the brain...(Read on for the explanation how it doesn't work) Never say never. It's possible and it may not be possible. The world may never know. Technology improves everyday so it's a chance that neurolinkers and nervegears can be made. |
| it will fail, just like every other attempt at virtual reality, which is a shame |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
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Sprawls said: ZeroKamikaze said: i think it'l take around 40-60 years for a game like that to exist seeing as how it isn't fulldive and its still controlling it from the outside still, its possible a mad scientist like kayaba will come along and enlighten us I think it might take less than that. That kind of technology could be usefull in so many cases so once research kicked in (which i'm pretty sure it did for quite a while), it's only going to go faster. It might seem crazy right now, but so was the internet we know today 20 years ago. However, what's scary is that it could also be used for some less honest things. ( Things like what JerryChaing Linked ). The internet took some 40-50 years before it reached what it is today. And think about who are the people researching and developing tools to map the brain. It's not Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Square Enix, or Konami, it's big name Universities, highly funded private institutions, and scientists all in the name of trying to cure a variety of debilitating illnesses. The discovery will lead to really expensive medical treatments for a long time before that discovery gets used in video games. |
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Obstinate said: I found this page while browsing the internet. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game Does this mean that games similar to SAO could be released earlier then we thought?? What do you guys think? Quite possibly, not anytime soon though, maybe 15-20 years before its like SAO or even longer, this is just is practically just putting the game in front of you, not actually putting you in it where you if you touch grass, you feel the grass, if the suns out you feel the heat so forth. ZeroKamikaze said: ^ hopefully the scientist who created it won't be as mad as kayaba <_< I can probably agree with you there haha. |
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Singateru said: Imagine playing love plus with this device :O and girls call you oni chan = my life is accomplished Your standards are too low.Why would you stop there? |
ZTHero said: Hopefully, it is the same headset from SAO because i don't want to be dancing all around my house playing the game O.O HAHAHAHAH xD |
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| All of this sounds awesome, hopefully the oculus rift is the first step that eventually leads us to something like SAO. I cant help that I'm a little disbelieving at the moment, but It would be amazing for something like that to come out in the future, hopefully while I'm still semi young so I dont die while im in the game haha |
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| Cool. Sounds fun. |
| It seems interesting but I'm sad, as soon as they said "3D view", I can no longer play it. When I was young, one of my eyes got damaged and is partially blind. |
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| Even if this won't succeed, scientists are currently working on a communication device that would use all 5 sesnses. If they succeed it's only a matter of time for the VR games to be created. However I wouldn't expect it in the near future. Maybe in 20-25 years from now. |
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AntonyRedgrave said: Even if this won't succeed, scientists are currently working on a communication device that would use all 5 sesnses. If they succeed it's only a matter of time for the VR games to be created. However I wouldn't expect it in the near future. Maybe in 20-25 years from now. I'll be 40~50 then.... Hell yeah! I can't wait to play a Virtual MMO at that age! Open a shop somewhere and talking about the good old days and how I'm no longer an adventurer because an arrow hit my knee! |
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| i'd love to play call of duty with this but i'd love to play sao, alo, or better yet ggo even more |
AirStyles said: oh great another arrow in the knee jokeAntonyRedgrave said: Even if this won't succeed, scientists are currently working on a communication device that would use all 5 sesnses. If they succeed it's only a matter of time for the VR games to be created. However I wouldn't expect it in the near future. Maybe in 20-25 years from now. I'll be 40~50 then.... Hell yeah! I can't wait to play a Virtual MMO at that age! Open a shop somewhere and talking about the good old days and how I'm no longer an adventurer because an arrow hit my knee! |
ssjokg said: AirStyles said: oh great another arrow in the knee jokeAntonyRedgrave said: Even if this won't succeed, scientists are currently working on a communication device that would use all 5 sesnses. If they succeed it's only a matter of time for the VR games to be created. However I wouldn't expect it in the near future. Maybe in 20-25 years from now. I'll be 40~50 then.... Hell yeah! I can't wait to play a Virtual MMO at that age! Open a shop somewhere and talking about the good old days and how I'm no longer an adventurer because an arrow hit my knee! Errr.... The joke was meant to be me "still keeping the meme alive 20 years from now". |
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| It's not even neer Virtual Reality nerv gear from SAO but it's the begining.For some 10 years we mayt even hawe real thing. |
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| The NerveGear also puts the subject into paralysis, which could be a major problem in cases of emergency. A house fire/robbery come to mind. I'd still risk dying in a fire to get a 100% immersive VR role playing experience. A lot of development would have to be done along side the technology. Like preventing addiction, psychological trauma from being killed in the VR. How to deal with aspects such as pain, and pleasure. Adult VR content I could see being extremely controversial. |
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| I agree with Street_killer, while this may be a step towards VR, this wont be SAO style at all. However i can see this turning into What we perceive it to be in maybe 20 or so years. I'd doubt we would see it in SAO timeframe but there is the possibility what with increasing hardware capabilities that we will see it soon enough |
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Jerichow said: Oculus Rift is only the first baby-step into VR. The technology behind it will not go into what could be our variant of the Nerve Gear though. Oculus Rift is specifically there to augment the viewing experience for the player, while NG is basically like jacking into the Matrix. The found of Oculus did in fact say that he wished for gaming like jacking into the Matrix eventually. However, the Oculus is not that, but what it does is equally important. What Oculus brings instead, is the means to get VR to the world to generate interest in that kind of gaming. Once the world takes notice of this kind of technology interest in it will flare and other development companies will try to expand on this or will give Oculus the company the funds to increase production speed of the features of the Rift. I imagine Oculus will stay focused on visual VR like this, being nothing more than a visual augmentation of video gaming while another company will take up the reigns for development of the foundation of software/hardware that will be what FullDive will be made from. Oculus Rift isn't anything near VR or even a baby step towards. Oculus Rift is basically Virtual Simulation rather then Virtual Reality. The technology is completely different. When you don't physically move and can use your senses "withing" a game you have VR in this case you don't get that at all. You still require full movement and your also limited to physical area. I get everyone wants Virtual Reality but you need to also understand that these things that people are making and calling "Virtual Reality" have probably been done before and are just simulating a environment & desire for Virtual Reality. The closest examples of the technology behind "Virtual Reality" are things like Neuroprosthetics which allow you to move a physical device with your "brain". |
KiraHanashi11 said: HeavenlyUser said: Jerichow said: Oculus Rift is only the first baby-step into VR. The technology behind it will not go into what could be our variant of the Nerve Gear though. Oculus Rift is specifically there to augment the viewing experience for the player, while NG is basically like jacking into the Matrix. The found of Oculus did in fact say that he wished for gaming like jacking into the Matrix eventually. However, the Oculus is not that, but what it does is equally important. What Oculus brings instead, is the means to get VR to the world to generate interest in that kind of gaming. Once the world takes notice of this kind of technology interest in it will flare and other development companies will try to expand on this or will give Oculus the company the funds to increase production speed of the features of the Rift. I imagine Oculus will stay focused on visual VR like this, being nothing more than a visual augmentation of video gaming while another company will take up the reigns for development of the foundation of software/hardware that will be what FullDive will be made from. Oculus Rift isn't anything near VR or even a baby step towards. Oculus Rift is basically Virtual Simulation rather then Virtual Reality. The technology is completely different. When you don't physically move and can use your senses "withing" a game you have VR in this case you don't get that at all. You still require full movement and your also limited to physical area. I get everyone wants Virtual Reality but you need to also understand that these things that people are making and calling "Virtual Reality" have probably been done before and are just simulating a environment & desire for Virtual Reality. The closest examples of the technology behind "Virtual Reality" are things like Neuroprosthetics which allow you to move a physical device with your "brain". We all know that the Oculus Rift is nowhere like the NerveGear. Though, the idea of wanting to be immersed into the game is NOW out there. People need to be open-minded about this stuff. People thought the Atomic bomb, the Internet, and Touch screens were impossible. Now we have them lol. Technology is growing everyday, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone wiz in Japan, or the US is working his/her ass off to make this real. If people look for it so much how come no one at all has even looked at Emotiv EPOC? It's closer then other things and it never gets even a second glance. At the moment Emotiv is one of the only companies actually trying to bring something more towards Virtual Reality rather then just Simulation. Also the idea of being "immersed" into a game is nowhere near new at all. The military has been using similar things to help "immerse" soldiers into a real environment without actually having to be there. Virtual Reality will be one of the last things you see since the applications Virtual Reality technology has can be put to far better use in the medical field and it's also basically the medical field that is doing the work behind it. Virtual Reality is more on the medical field before the "programming" field. If people really one it then getting a degree in neuroscience and electronic engineering is your best bet. Point is people who actually are working on the early stages of the technology don't want it for video games lol. Hell better yet give me this set up and I'll make a VR game where you can move a characters arm around. |
Jerichow said: I did mention the Emotiv Epoc... But yes, I admit, the gaming industry won't create VR nearly as quickly as per say the Military or Medical fields, but most of that comes from a lack of funds than ambition. To be honest, if the gaming industry were to have the kind of funding the Army or Medical fields get, then we'd likely be a decade ahead of where we are now, if not farther. That hand device is pretty cool; I could almost see something like that being used as a base for development of nerve signal receptors a Nerve Gear would use. The big problems of course, being: 1: How to intercept the signals meant for the body from the brain reliably while preventing them from reaching the body. 2: How to do it without multimillion dollar surgery. If it's going to be done without the user moving, it will have to be done somehow by putting the user 'asleep' while the device is active. As of right now, I don't have any idea how, without the use of drugs or medications, a person can be put to sleep 'on command' in order to use something like NG. I've been debating between Mechanical Engineering and Electrical Engineering as a college course... Maybe I'll get into this and help develop Nerve Gear in the end! XD The surgery probably isn't actually that much it's just that the cords have to be connected in order for it to have the best single reception. This is baby steps so we're far from running when it comes to this technology once we find ways to pick up and amplify signals then we can start sorting out which signal is for what action and how a computer read them. My overall point being while it's still in infancy it's there but that area of technology is still very much in a academic state and lacking funding with a large need of money. Anyone who can put the money forth to improve the technology is almost 100% sure to increase their fortune without a doubt once the technology becomes widely available but until then there isn't much profit it in. I didn't see emotive mentions so if you did my bad then I must have missed it. |
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