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| I'm honestly impressed at how this show is able to keep on improving like this episode after episode. The change of artstyle for Louis' backstory looked fantastic and I felt really added some weight to it compared to if it had the same art style as everything else: this is partially because the more minimalist approach leaves a lot more to the imagination and probably reflects Louis' state of mind during the events, but it's also because I don't think the show's CG would have matched that intensity (and I say that as a major fan of the CG in this show). And as for Legosi, I really appreciate that we were given the strength of his convictions in full this episode, not just with Haru but with Louis as well. His decision to confess and move on, and let Haru and Louis be together, was both surprising and unsurprising: surprising because of his rage when he found out a couple of episodes ago, but unsurprising because he always tries to dismiss his desires to maintain the status quo and protect his own position. However, it's interesting and fully understandable how angry he gets when Louis basically says to sacrifice Haru to maintain society's status quo, all the while calling out Legosi for doing the same thing all the time. Legosi's made a brave decision in the face of that, to disregard the status quo and use his full strength or, in other words, to do what Louis both cannot and will not do. Whether that translates into him attacking the Shishigumi is another matter entirely, but that won't change how much I love this character writing. |
| O man, this was intense, really looking forward to the next episode! Looks like things are getting serious now |
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| The animation for Louis' backstory reminds me of those storybook cartoons/animations that I used to watch as a kid. I can't recall any titles now unfortunately. It is like how a child would draw something, very abstract and fuzzy but it's still has impact and incredibly creepy. Imagine giving a child some tools to paint or draw their experience of being sold on the black market. That's what it felt like to me. It was done incredibly well. I cannot wait for next week's episode! The lion mayor is just like most politicians that I've witnessed, they like to cover up things and they are familiar and even close with criminals at times. Louis wants to keep his history of being a black market product away from the public eye so it's also understandable why he is hesitating to help Haru. Also, that Bill and Louis scene was removed :( It might show up as a flashback in future episodes though but the chances are incredibly slim. |
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| How are people sleeping on this anime is a mystery. Epic Epic I can't wait to watch the next episode. |
| I have to say, it's refreshing to see a protagonist who doesn't take the entire series to admit their feelings to their love. The drama between Louis and Legoshi is just icing on the cake. |
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| I'll give clearer thoughts later but I really love 2 things about this adaptation : Use of different style of animations throughout and also the use of 2D animation for these goofy faces Legosi or Haru makes sometimes though I wish they used the latter more since the manga has some incredible facial expression. Anyway, in the grander scheme, it isn't too much of a waste that we never got that scene between Louis and Bill but I guess the payoff in the Shishigumi Arc will just be better or shockier than most would expect ! |
mar1217 said: Anyway, in the grander scheme, it isn't too much of a waste that we never got that scene between Louis and Bill but I guess the payoff in the Shishigumi Arc will just be better or shockier than most would expect ! Im just afraid that if we don't have the bill and louis scene, that removes the only buildup and foreshadowing we have of the end result of the shishigumi arc. Anime onlys might be like "why is this happening?? This came out of nowhere!! Plot armor!! Deus ex machina!!" And start accusing BEASTARS of things that weren't justified because that's not the case in the original manga |
ttcchen said: mar1217 said: Anyway, in the grander scheme, it isn't too much of a waste that we never got that scene between Louis and Bill but I guess the payoff in the Shishigumi Arc will just be better or shockier than most would expect ! Im just afraid that if we don't have the bill and louis scene, that removes the only buildup and foreshadowing we have of the end result of the shishigumi arc. Anime onlys might be like "why is this happening?? This came out of nowhere!! Plot armor!! Deus ex machina!!" And start accusing BEASTARS of things that weren't justified because that's not the case in the original manga I feel like theyll put it in a different part of the anime. If not, im fine with it because |
ttcchen said: mar1217 said: Anyway, in the grander scheme, it isn't too much of a waste that we never got that scene between Louis and Bill but I guess the payoff in the Shishigumi Arc will just be better or shockier than most would expect ! Im just afraid that if we don't have the bill and louis scene, that removes the only buildup and foreshadowing we have of the end result of the shishigumi arc. Anime onlys might be like "why is this happening?? This came out of nowhere!! Plot armor!! Deus ex machina!!" And start accusing BEASTARS of things that weren't justified because that's not the case in the original manga True enough, but I think it is inevitable even with the added information. Personally, I think Louis actions will still make sense even at that point since we've got his back story element out of the window and the encounters at the end with the mayor followed with Legosi which ultimately cement his last decision. |
mar1217 said: but wouldnt anime onlys wonder why and where Louis got that thing? But if they added in the scene they'd know that oh! He's always had that thing with him.ttcchen said: Im just afraid that if we don't have the bill and louis scene, that removes the only buildup and foreshadowing we have of the end result of the shishigumi arc. Anime onlys might be like "why is this happening?? This came out of nowhere!! Plot armor!! Deus ex machina!!" And start accusing BEASTARS of things that weren't justified because that's not the case in the original manga True enough, but I think it is inevitable even with the added information. Personally, I think Louis actions will still make sense even at that point since we've got his back story element out of the window and the encounters at the end with the mayor followed with Legosi which ultimately cement his last decision. |
ttcchen said: mar1217 said: but wouldnt anime onlys wonder why and where Louis got that thing? But if they added in the scene they'd know that oh! He's always had that thing with him.True enough, but I think it is inevitable even with the added information. Personally, I think Louis actions will still make sense even at that point since we've got his back story element out of the window and the encounters at the end with the mayor followed with Legosi which ultimately cement his last decision. |
Gosha32 said: ttcchen said: but wouldnt anime onlys wonder why and where Louis got that thing? But if they added in the scene they'd know that oh! He's always had that thing with him. |
| wow, what an episode.... really, really can't wait until next week! |
| Another great episode! This episode was so thrilling and even had my heart pumping, just like the manga! I really enjoyed how Louis' childhood backstory was presented with a children's book style. It really makes the show stand out. The chapter was also very touching as we see more development of Legosi and Haru's relationship. As an avid reader of the manga, I'm so hyped for more episodes. I don't want to spoil anything for people who haven't read the manga, but I'll just say that the story becomes even more suspenseful and hype! |
| After reading the Bill scene in the forums last week I'm pretty sad they didn't add it. Oh well. At least I know what "actually" happened. Still things got real dark real fast this episode. Louis comes from a much darker past than I ever would have guessed and we got frigging rapey kidnappers taking Haru, |
| Yeeeeeeesh, shit is ramping up real fast. This just keeps getting better and better. Not many shows do this good a job at keeping people on the edge of their seat, and earning it for that matter. In this series I could believe Haru dying is a possibility, and that's very good. Furry Game of Thrones is doing good for itself. A genuinely good seinen, not a shounen masquerading as seinen by throwing in pseudo-philosophy, murder, or rape or other cheap shock factors / faux mature themes, color me fucking impressed. |
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| Ah, I knew that Louis had a dark past, but they represented it really well. The way they use alternative animation is rather perfect, and at this point, I'm perfectly used to the CGI (I mean, it ain't even bad... although, seeing the good stuff reminds me that I really want Land of the Lustrious" to get another season). Man, Legosi needs to give himself more value, I mean, sure, Louis is great to be the Beastar, but pulling out that ninja move was awesome, and confessing when he really puts his mind to it. And yikes... I was expecting more murders at school, not a kidnapping. Well, I hope to see some Yakuza-like HQ beatdowns, 'cause damn, Legosi is becoming a Kiryu! |
| "You know you've reached peak quality when a doujin is better than the actual source series." (Eg. To LOVE-Ru) Just to list a couple of biases. Likes: A good story, characters, writing, romance, a good plot twist or something that breaks expectations (In a good way), 'backstory' and justice. Dislikes: Bad romance, too much fanservice, the harem genre, yuri, yaoi, and bad writing. |
| The bear in the anime must be the strongest character I guess. I just wonder how Louis put on his shirt... it was my main question during the episode. |
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| That fight between Legoshi and Louis towards the end was wack lol Also, the cliff hangers are killing me, hngghh. |
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PrettyColors said: Yautja said: A genuinely good seinen, not a shounen masquerading as seinen by throwing in pseudo-philosophy, murder, or rape or other cheap shock factors / faux mature themes, color me fucking impressed. I'm amused by this because Beastars is a shounen. It runs in Weekly Shonen Champion alongside Saint Seiya, Yowamushi Pedal, and Baki. It's quite ironic isn't it? A shounen is more of a seinen than most of the seinen out there. IMO, this doesn't really fit as a "shounen" at all, despite being in a shounen mag, which seems to be the deciding fact at the label. When looking at this compared to other series that epitomize the shounen genre / demographic, it sticks out very much. It's absolutely nothing like BnHA, Naruto, AOT, Bleach, etc, all of which, despite radical differences, share very similar "feels". Like how is Until Death Do Us Part a seinen, but this isn't? How is this in the same category as Fairy Tail, Blue Exorcist, Fire Force, Soul Eater, Nanatsu no Taizai, etc? How is it not with Kiseijuu, Erased, Black Lagoon, etc? I can see the overlap in the appeals to the age ranges; I'd peg this series as 16+, but to align it to shounen, a term I'd usually apply to someone 15<, seems strange. Shounen manga usually seem to appeal to the 8-18 range, whereas Seinen is 18+. The shounen genre seems to go too low to reasonably classify this as one, whereas I'd say 16, 17, 18+, the low end of the ages I'd say that are attracted to this, are all close enough to "seinen". I guess it's because of my opinion that shounen (and shoujo, seinen, and jousei) are just as much genres as they are demographics. Such manga and anime always share very similar themes, atmospheres, plot structures, etc, because they demographic they appeal to. It's seeming more and more the case that what magazine the manga is listed in is deciding which label the series get, but I hard disagree. I'd wager if this was a stand-alone anime it'd likely get a Seinen label. |
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Yautja said: PrettyColors said: I'm amused by this because Beastars is a shounen. It runs in Weekly Shonen Champion alongside Saint Seiya, Yowamushi Pedal, and Baki. It's quite ironic isn't it? A shounen is more of a seinen than most of the seinen out there. IMO, this doesn't really fit as a "shounen" at all, despite being in a shounen mag, which seems to be the deciding fact at the label. When looking at this compared to other series that epitomize the shounen genre / demographic, it sticks out very much. It's absolutely nothing like BnHA, Naruto, AOT, Bleach, etc, all of which, despite radical differences, share very similar "feels". Like how is Until Death Do Us Part a seinen, but this isn't? How is this in the same category as Fairy Tail, Blue Exorcist, Fire Force, Soul Eater, Nanatsu no Taizai, etc? How is it not with Kiseijuu, Erased, Black Lagoon, etc? I can see the overlap in the appeals to the age ranges; I'd peg this series as 16+, but to align it to shounen, a term I'd usually apply to someone 15<, seems strange. Shounen manga usually seem to appeal to the 8-18 range, whereas Seinen is 18+. The shounen genre seems to go too low to reasonably classify this as one, whereas I'd say 16, 17, 18+, the low end of the ages I'd say that are attracted to this, are all close enough to "seinen". I guess it's because of my opinion that shounen (and shoujo, seinen, and jousei) are just as much genres as they are demographics. It's seeming more and more the case that what magazine the manga is listed in is deciding which label the series get, but I hard disagree. I'd wager if this was a stand-alone anime it'd likely get a Seinen label. It actually checks a lot of shounen tropes. MC growing and motovations to do things, check. Highschool setting, check. Romance, check. Chicks with tits, check. Battles, check. Rivals/frenemies that make MC a better person, check. Comedy, check. Tragic backstory, check. I'd point out more, but that goes into spoiler territory. Its a shounen that rides the very fine line between shounen and seinen due to its mature themes. Very much like AoT and Death Note. |
ttcchen said: suuuuuuper disappointed they still didn't add in the Louis and Bill scene... sighhhhhh Manga included Louis' thoughts regarding Haru in the beginning: Legosi also wasn't holding that bottle/can in the beginning, but instead was holding a flower: it's trivial but anime made it seem as if it was Legosi pushing down the jaguar's head that's hurting him, but in the manga it's pulling his tail lol: some might wonder why wolf can win in wolf vs jaguar well in the manga Legosi thought: "I can't compete with a feline's speed... I need to restrict his movements." in the anime after Shishigumi kidnapped Haru we see their shoes that looks like this: but in the manga they have scales and studs on the tip: the three lions that kidnapped her look a bit different too: and in the manga they look like this: there're also a lot more lions in the room in the manga they also never pulled her up by her ears, just talked to her normally. in the anime they said "heard rabbits with all white furs taste the best" (or something along that line, i watched raws), but in the manga they said "our boss thinks that..." before that line. so it was the boss's idea, not theirs. boss also looks vastly different. in the manga he didn't wear glasses and has scars on his face they cut out the end of the boss and haru interaction and didn't add in some dialogues. it'll probably be in the next episode so i wont post the pictures here (now if THAT got the same treatment as the louis and bill scene... imma be pissed) also the bathtub wasn't in the manga the ones who found haru's shoes and the shishigumi card are just random students in the manga. when the mayor ripped up the shishigumi card, legosi was there to see the whole interaction in the manga when legosi punched louis... louis flew. Thanks for the effort of your post it was really interesting to see. But as a non manga reader I wasnt disappointed at all. Sure, some meaning gets lost and all, but it is not like that is really that bad. THough, your post made me want to read the manga. |
Shocku_ said: i love the anime the only reason i was disappoint was cause of the bill and louis scenettcchen said: suuuuuuper disappointed they still didn't add in the Louis and Bill scene... sighhhhhh Manga included Louis' thoughts regarding Haru in the beginning: Legosi also wasn't holding that bottle/can in the beginning, but instead was holding a flower: it's trivial but anime made it seem as if it was Legosi pushing down the jaguar's head that's hurting him, but in the manga it's pulling his tail lol: some might wonder why wolf can win in wolf vs jaguar well in the manga Legosi thought: "I can't compete with a feline's speed... I need to restrict his movements." in the anime after Shishigumi kidnapped Haru we see their shoes that looks like this: but in the manga they have scales and studs on the tip: the three lions that kidnapped her look a bit different too: and in the manga they look like this: there're also a lot more lions in the room in the manga they also never pulled her up by her ears, just talked to her normally. in the anime they said "heard rabbits with all white furs taste the best" (or something along that line, i watched raws), but in the manga they said "our boss thinks that..." before that line. so it was the boss's idea, not theirs. boss also looks vastly different. in the manga he didn't wear glasses and has scars on his face they cut out the end of the boss and haru interaction and didn't add in some dialogues. it'll probably be in the next episode so i wont post the pictures here (now if THAT got the same treatment as the louis and bill scene... imma be pissed) also the bathtub wasn't in the manga the ones who found haru's shoes and the shishigumi card are just random students in the manga. when the mayor ripped up the shishigumi card, legosi was there to see the whole interaction in the manga when legosi punched louis... louis flew. Thanks for the effort of your post it was really interesting to see. But as a non manga reader I wasnt disappointed at all. Sure, some meaning gets lost and all, but it is not like that is really that bad. THough, your post made me want to read the manga. that scene is just perfectly 10/10 imo |
Gosha32 said: Yautja said: It's quite ironic isn't it? A shounen is more of a seinen than most of the seinen out there. IMO, this doesn't really fit as a "shounen" at all, despite being in a shounen mag, which seems to be the deciding fact at the label. When looking at this compared to other series that epitomize the shounen genre / demographic, it sticks out very much. It's absolutely nothing like BnHA, Naruto, AOT, Bleach, etc, all of which, despite radical differences, share very similar "feels". Like how is Until Death Do Us Part a seinen, but this isn't? How is this in the same category as Fairy Tail, Blue Exorcist, Fire Force, Soul Eater, Nanatsu no Taizai, etc? How is it not with Kiseijuu, Erased, Black Lagoon, etc? I can see the overlap in the appeals to the age ranges; I'd peg this series as 16+, but to align it to shounen, a term I'd usually apply to someone 15<, seems strange. Shounen manga usually seem to appeal to the 8-18 range, whereas Seinen is 18+. The shounen genre seems to go too low to reasonably classify this as one, whereas I'd say 16, 17, 18+, the low end of the ages I'd say that are attracted to this, are all close enough to "seinen". I guess it's because of my opinion that shounen (and shoujo, seinen, and jousei) are just as much genres as they are demographics. It's seeming more and more the case that what magazine the manga is listed in is deciding which label the series get, but I hard disagree. I'd wager if this was a stand-alone anime it'd likely get a Seinen label. It actually checks a lot of shounen tropes. MC growing and motovations to do things, check. Highschool setting, check. Romance, check. Chicks with tits, check. Battles, check. Rivals/frenemies that make MC a better person, check. Comedy, check. Tragic backstory, check. I'd point out more, but that goes into spoiler territory. Its a shounen that rides the very fine line between shounen and seinen due to its mature themes. Very much like AoT and Death Note. MC growing and being motivated is literally something any story based series has to do so that's an out, highschool setting is used across the board, both shoujo, seinen, shounen and jousei and series that don't fall into any of those use them, so that's also out. Romance is a genre in it of itself, so that's out. Tits. Really? Battles is action IE, a genre, and in both Shounen and Seinen, so that's out. Rivals and frenemies is a really shakey one, especially when it's lacking the Bakugo, Sasuke level characterization. Louis is really not anything like that kind of character and I couldn't even think of whom you were referring to for a while. Comedy is also a genre. Tragic backstory, again, is not a shounen specific, but it is an extremely common and specific trope, so fine, I'll tentatively agree to that one, even though tons of Seinen, Shoujo, Jousei and manga that aren't any of those use it. You hit like 1 out of 8, and that 1 is kind of pushing it. |
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Yautja said: Gosha32 said: It actually checks a lot of shounen tropes. MC growing and motovations to do things, check. Highschool setting, check. Romance, check. Chicks with tits, check. Battles, check. Rivals/frenemies that make MC a better person, check. Comedy, check. Tragic backstory, check. I'd point out more, but that goes into spoiler territory. Its a shounen that rides the very fine line between shounen and seinen due to its mature themes. Very much like AoT and Death Note. MC growing and being motivated is literally something any story based series has to do so that's an out, highschool setting is used across the board, both shoujo, seinen, shounen and jousei and series that don't fall into any of those use them, so that's also out. Romance is a genre in it of itself, so that's out. Tits. Really? Battles is action IE, a genre, and in both Shounen and Seinen, so that's out. Rivals and frenemies is a really shakey one, especially when it's lacking the Bakugo, Sasuke level characterization. Louis is really not anything like that kind of character and I couldn't even think of whom you were referring to for a while. Comedy is also a genre. Tragic backstory, again, is not a shounen specific, but it is an extremely common and specific trope, so fine, I'll tentatively agree to that one, even though tons of Seinen, Shoujo, Jousei and manga that aren't any of those use it. You hit like 1 out of 8, and that 1 is kind of pushing it. I meant the specific tropes of that genre in shounen. The trope of MC growing from sorta pathetic to a bad ass. The trope of highschool as a typical shounen setting being as characters are mostly high schoolers. The trope of a love interest and love rival with an overwhelmingly dense charcater. Juno prolly has the biggest tits as featured in episode 8. And a shounen series usually has a character with big tits. The trope of gag comedy in shounen. Louis and legosi actually does have that naruto/sasuke thing going. One lives in the shadows, ones lives in the light. One having a tragic past and working towards trying to forget it, one trying to hold somethign back. But yeah. If ye feel shounen is more of a genre than a demographic, then i suppose thats yer interpretation. This is my interpretation of how beastars is very much shounen due to the fact that it hits a lot of shounen tropes. |
Gosha32 said: Yautja said: MC growing and being motivated is literally something any story based series has to do so that's an out, highschool setting is used across the board, both shoujo, seinen, shounen and jousei and series that don't fall into any of those use them, so that's also out. Romance is a genre in it of itself, so that's out. Tits. Really? Battles is action IE, a genre, and in both Shounen and Seinen, so that's out. Rivals and frenemies is a really shakey one, especially when it's lacking the Bakugo, Sasuke level characterization. Louis is really not anything like that kind of character and I couldn't even think of whom you were referring to for a while. Comedy is also a genre. Tragic backstory, again, is not a shounen specific, but it is an extremely common and specific trope, so fine, I'll tentatively agree to that one, even though tons of Seinen, Shoujo, Jousei and manga that aren't any of those use it. You hit like 1 out of 8, and that 1 is kind of pushing it. I meant the specific tropes of that genre in shounen. The trope of MC growing from sorta pathetic to a bad ass. The trope of highschool as a typical shounen setting being as characters are mostly high schoolers. The trope of a love interest and love rival with an overwhelmingly dense charcater. Juno prolly has the biggest tits as featured in episode 8. And a shounen series usually has a character with big tits. The trope of gag comedy in shounen. Louis and legosi actually does have that naruto/sasuke thing going. One lives in the shadows, ones lives in the light. One having a tragic past and working towards trying to forget it, one trying to hold somethign back. But yeah. If ye feel shounen is more of a genre than a demographic, then i suppose thats yer interpretation. This is my interpretation of how beastars is very much shounen due to the fact that it hits a lot of shounen tropes. Again, none of those are really shounen specific. "MC growing and motovations to do things, check" / "MC growing from sorta pathetic to a bad ass", happens in a lot of manga and isn't a shounen specific. It also happens a shit ton in Seinen; Parasyte, Erased, Black Lagoon, remember? And Legoshi isn't really "sora pathetic". Character growth, or going from loser to hero is literally the hero's journey, something most certainly not a shounen trope. The school setting happens everywhere and isn't a shounen trope. It's a Japanese trope. Just looking at the most popular Shounen, maybe a third of them have a school setting whereas all of them have action. That doesn't make action or school settings a "shounen trope", they just tend to follow. Sort of like how romance tends school settings or drama. It doesn't make drama or schools a "romance" trope. Just like how almost all slice of life have a school setting, doesn't make schools an SoL trope or vice versa. That's just romance, not a shounen trope. Anyways, look at the most popular shounen, almost none of them have that. That's what happens when you cross romance and shounen, not just a consequence of shounen. And Legoshi isn't a "dense character". Tits are not a shounen trope... Jesus Christ. Again, that's an anime and Japanese in general thing. Comedy is a fucking genre, not a shounen trope. Gag comedy is again, a Japanese thing. There's plenty of gag comedy in, shocker, comedy series, be it Seinen like OPM, or SoL like Kobayashi-san. Really? Louis and Legoshi are like Naruto and Sasuke. Now that is a hot take. I wonder how many fans of either series think that's even remotely true. You're being extremely abstract and stretching things real damn far. And either one of them could fall into that characterization. You're basically saying rivals are a shounen trope. And as far as I can tell, neither of them are going evil, they're not antithetical to each other yet best friends, they don't have a love hate relationship like Bakugo & Deku, like Sasuke & Naruto, like Natsu & Grey, etc. You literally also just argued Shounen was a genre, a genre is a category based on a set of characteristics, IE, listing a bunch of tropes and claiming they're what makes it a shounen is literally arguing shounen is a genre. None of what you said had anything to do with demographics. This is what I get for talking to someone who made a dummy account to upvote an anime... |
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Yautja said: Gosha32 said: I meant the specific tropes of that genre in shounen. The trope of MC growing from sorta pathetic to a bad ass. The trope of highschool as a typical shounen setting being as characters are mostly high schoolers. The trope of a love interest and love rival with an overwhelmingly dense charcater. Juno prolly has the biggest tits as featured in episode 8. And a shounen series usually has a character with big tits. The trope of gag comedy in shounen. Louis and legosi actually does have that naruto/sasuke thing going. One lives in the shadows, ones lives in the light. One having a tragic past and working towards trying to forget it, one trying to hold somethign back. But yeah. If ye feel shounen is more of a genre than a demographic, then i suppose thats yer interpretation. This is my interpretation of how beastars is very much shounen due to the fact that it hits a lot of shounen tropes. Again, none of those are really shounen specific. "MC growing and motovations to do things, check" / "MC growing from sorta pathetic to a bad ass", happens in a lot of manga and isn't a shounen specific. It also happens a shit ton in Seinen; Parasyte, Erased, Black Lagoon, remember? And Legoshi isn't really "sora pathetic". Character growth, or going from loser to hero is literally the hero's journey, something most certainly not a shounen trope. The school setting happens everywhere and isn't a shounen trope. It's a Japanese trope. Just looking at the most popular Shounen, maybe a third of them have a school setting whereas all of them have action. That doesn't make action or school settings a "shounen trope", they just tend to follow. Sort of like how romance tends school settings or drama. It doesn't make drama or schools a "romance" trope. Just like how almost all slice of life have a school setting, doesn't make schools an SoL trope or vice versa. That's just romance, not a shounen trope. Anyways, look at the most popular shounen, almost none of them have that. That's what happens when you cross romance and shounen, not just a consequence of shounen. And Legoshi isn't a "dense character". Tits are not a shounen trope... Jesus Christ. Again, that's an anime and Japanese in general thing. Comedy is a fucking genre, not a shounen trope. Gag comedy is again, a Japanese thing. There's plenty of gag comedy in, shocker, comedy series, be it Seinen like OPM, or SoL like Kobayashi-san. Really? Louis and Legoshi are like Naruto and Sasuke. Now that is a hot take. I wonder how many fans of either series think that's even remotely true. You're being extremely abstract and stretching things real damn far. And either one of them could fall into that characterization. You're basically saying rivals are a shounen trope. And as far as I can tell, neither of them are going evil, they're not antithetical to each other yet best friends, they don't have a love hate relationship like Bakugo & Deku, like Sasuke & Naruto, like Natsu & Grey, etc. You literally also just argued Shounen was a genre, a genre is a category based on a set of characteristics, IE, listing a bunch of tropes and claiming they're what makes it a shounen is literally arguing shounen is a genre. None of what you said had anything to do with demographics. This is what I get for talking to someone who made a dummy account to upvote an anime... I never said shounen was a genre. Ye said ye consoder shounen as a genre. And no. This is not a dummy. I made this account so i can talk about beastars. Cuz just reading the comments made me want to engage more in the discussion. Anyways. We are getting off topic here so lets leave it at that. I just think beastars is shounen as it gets, ye think its seinen. I respect yer opinion, and i was just saying my piece. But yeah. Ive read the manga and i still stand by the rival thingy. |
Gosha32 said: Yautja said: Again, none of those are really shounen specific. "MC growing and motovations to do things, check" / "MC growing from sorta pathetic to a bad ass", happens in a lot of manga and isn't a shounen specific. It also happens a shit ton in Seinen; Parasyte, Erased, Black Lagoon, remember? And Legoshi isn't really "sora pathetic". Character growth, or going from loser to hero is literally the hero's journey, something most certainly not a shounen trope. The school setting happens everywhere and isn't a shounen trope. It's a Japanese trope. Just looking at the most popular Shounen, maybe a third of them have a school setting whereas all of them have action. That doesn't make action or school settings a "shounen trope", they just tend to follow. Sort of like how romance tends school settings or drama. It doesn't make drama or schools a "romance" trope. Just like how almost all slice of life have a school setting, doesn't make schools an SoL trope or vice versa. That's just romance, not a shounen trope. Anyways, look at the most popular shounen, almost none of them have that. That's what happens when you cross romance and shounen, not just a consequence of shounen. And Legoshi isn't a "dense character". Tits are not a shounen trope... Jesus Christ. Again, that's an anime and Japanese in general thing. Comedy is a fucking genre, not a shounen trope. Gag comedy is again, a Japanese thing. There's plenty of gag comedy in, shocker, comedy series, be it Seinen like OPM, or SoL like Kobayashi-san. Really? Louis and Legoshi are like Naruto and Sasuke. Now that is a hot take. I wonder how many fans of either series think that's even remotely true. You're being extremely abstract and stretching things real damn far. And either one of them could fall into that characterization. You're basically saying rivals are a shounen trope. And as far as I can tell, neither of them are going evil, they're not antithetical to each other yet best friends, they don't have a love hate relationship like Bakugo & Deku, like Sasuke & Naruto, like Natsu & Grey, etc. You literally also just argued Shounen was a genre, a genre is a category based on a set of characteristics, IE, listing a bunch of tropes and claiming they're what makes it a shounen is literally arguing shounen is a genre. None of what you said had anything to do with demographics. This is what I get for talking to someone who made a dummy account to upvote an anime... I never said shounen was a genre. Ye said ye consoder shounen as a genre. And no. This is not a dummy. I made this account so i can talk about beastars. Cuz just reading the comments made me want to engage more in the discussion. Anyways. We are getting off topic here so lets leave it at that. I just think beastars is shounen as it gets, ye think its seinen. I respect yer opinion, and i was just saying my piece. But yeah. Ive read the manga and i still stand by the rival thingy. I know you didn't say that, but that's effectively what you did. A genre is a category based on collection of characteristics, and similarities in subject matter, form, etc. Listing a bunch of tropes, regardless of whether or not they're accurate, is you describing Shounen as a genre. List trope X, Y, Z and saying they all appear in Shounen, is describing Shounen as a genre. You're literally agreeing with me unless you disagree about what makes a genre, a genre. Not saying you're a liar or that doesn't happen, but I don't really believe that. Especially not when this website is in the middle of a dummy account epidemic, how old the account is, how old the manga is, how old the anime is. Fair nuff, but I've also begun to check out the manga, and looking at the top shounen manga on MAL, as well as your explanations, it really doesn't fit; it's nothing like any of the highest rated shounen. The only clear reason to label it as such as far as I'm concerned is that it's published in a Shounen mag. |
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Yautja said: Gosha32 said: I never said shounen was a genre. Ye said ye consoder shounen as a genre. And no. This is not a dummy. I made this account so i can talk about beastars. Cuz just reading the comments made me want to engage more in the discussion. Anyways. We are getting off topic here so lets leave it at that. I just think beastars is shounen as it gets, ye think its seinen. I respect yer opinion, and i was just saying my piece. But yeah. Ive read the manga and i still stand by the rival thingy. I know you didn't say that, but that's effectively what you did. A genre is a category based on collection of characteristics, and similarities in subject matter, form, etc. Listing a bunch of tropes, regardless of whether or not they're accurate, is you describing Shounen as a genre. List trope X, Y, Z and saying they all appear in Shounen, is describing Shounen as a genre. You're literally agreeing with me unless you disagree about what makes a genre, a genre. Not saying you're a liar or that doesn't happen, but I don't really believe that. Especially not when this website is in the middle of a dummy account epidemic, how old the account is, how old the manga is, how old the anime is. Fair nuff, but I've also begun to check out the manga, and looking at the top shounen manga on MAL, as well as your explanations, it really doesn't fit; it's nothing like any of the highest rated shounen. The only clear reason to label it as such as far as I'm concerned is that it's published in a Shounen mag. Thats fair. I mean, i only did create this account a couple days ago. Who knows if im gonna continue using this after beastars is done. Im not the sorts to engage in discussion on anime i enjoy anyways. But with how beastars is, it made me want to jump in. A show that got me obsessed with every part of its world building, characters and drama (and i dont like drama and romance as a genre). I enjoy seeing how people react to things ive read in the manga. So yeah. Also, i wouldnt really compare it with the highest rated shounen here. Its like night and day. If ever, id prolly compare it to the promised neverland. But yeah. The next episode will be awesome! |
| Louis's past, hmm. Whoa, Legosi confessed fast. Haru's reaction was interesting. Creepy lions inspecting Haru. The fight between Legosi and Louis was quite intense. |
| I think after all that haru will never choose legosi.... hmm she is a bitch after all |
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| So Louis-senpai has a past like that, and he is still haunted by it. To make things worse he is almost there so his life is also being targeted. Legoshi understands him better than most, and wants to come to terms with his own feelings towards Haru to be able to protect him. But he doesn't know it all, so he has no way to know that Louis-senpai was trying to convince himself while saying those things. That mayor still has those documents, and I guess that exposing from where he came could ruin everything he worked so hard for. But this is sad, will he really be able to make a difference in this world if he isn't able to take action? Maybe eventually, if he perseveres, after all things won't change suddenly. But Haru needs to be saved now. I hated those lions, and I don't know how Legoshi is going to save her by himself, but I'm definitely on the edge of my seat until the next episode. Legoshi was also really cool trying to confess, and telling Louis-senpai that he would take Haru for himself by the way. |
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| Go Legoshi! be a hero for Haru! I know this is very hard for Louis but the situation is complicated and someone needs to go for the push, if only they team-up, they can resolve the situation, but its not that easy because of relationships involved and of course the deeper matter of the border between herbivores and carnivores! 5/5. |
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FabriF said: Could someone confirm if they have adapted that specific scene that was cut from last episode's? It should happen in next episode or in two episodes |
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| Yeah, Louis deserves some punchings from Legoshi. It's Haru's life we're talking about. |
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| Things just got too serious this time >_> Feel bad for Haru... she's very terrified :( Damn, does Lois really care for Haru? Cuz he's showing completely the oposite! I mean, isn't he part of the Shishigumi too? And the mayor is destroying the evidence of those gangs like he doesn't care at all for his student who's been kidnapped. The heck!? Other than that, it was a very good episode! |
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| Absolutely loved the way how Louis's past was portrayed with that abstract animation. As well as with Haru's dream sequence a couple of episodes ago, I'm really loving this kind of decisions Orange has been making so far. Another great episode. Things took a darker turn this time with Haru being kidnapped by creepy lions but at least, Legoshi is aware of the situation and plans to go rescue her (alongside Louis, most likely). Really excited for the next episode! |
ttcchen said: suuuuuuper disappointed they still didn't add in the Louis and Bill scene... sighhhhhh Manga included Louis' thoughts regarding Haru in the beginning: Legosi also wasn't holding that bottle/can in the beginning, but instead was holding a flower: it's trivial but anime made it seem as if it was Legosi pushing down the jaguar's head that's hurting him, but in the manga it's pulling his tail lol: some might wonder why wolf can win in wolf vs jaguar well in the manga Legosi thought: "I can't compete with a feline's speed... I need to restrict his movements." in the anime after Shishigumi kidnapped Haru we see their shoes that looks like this: but in the manga they have scales and studs on the tip: the three lions that kidnapped her look a bit different too: and in the manga they look like this: there're also a lot more lions in the room in the manga they also never pulled her up by her ears, just talked to her normally. in the anime they said "heard rabbits with all white furs taste the best" (or something along that line, i watched raws), but in the manga they said "our boss thinks that..." before that line. so it was the boss's idea, not theirs. boss also looks vastly different. in the manga he didn't wear glasses and has scars on his face they cut out the end of the boss and haru interaction and didn't add in some dialogues. it'll probably be in the next episode so i wont post the pictures here (now if THAT got the same treatment as the louis and bill scene... imma be pissed) also the bathtub wasn't in the manga the ones who found haru's shoes and the shishigumi card are just random students in the manga. when the mayor ripped up the shishigumi card, legosi was there to see the whole interaction in the manga when legosi punched louis... louis flew. thank you so much for adding all these comparisons! I wanted to go back and read the manga for them but here you are <3 |
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