| The stories can be a bit dumb and generic especially if you watched/read more than 2 other shounen series but if you like it even though you know all the cliches and plot twists, you do you and he does his |
| Only the cliches one are bad (or thats what other people say). I like a lot of shounens.. I mean I do. I even like Bnha. So... You like what you like. Dont force yourself to not watch something you want to just to please other people. Its your time, not theirs. |
Kuma said: again, anime and novel has no demographic on it's own... however, how the producer treated it can showing at least what audience they expected to gain profit for... and it's your assumption that they can't recive such as psycho pass, which mainly based your own observation, meainwhile, the publisher it self doesn't see it... not to mention lot of legetimate shounen has more questionable content that psycho pass ever be.... even inside shounen jump series it sefl, currently 2 about human get hunted survival when the other one can get pretty gory (i mean, the recent chapter, MC attack his enemeis with theri cut-off hand while defending using the enemy sliced food and head)... has psycho pass ever moking trump? well, shounen jump has 2 series mocking him literaly.... Again, stick to the original question. If you can't respond to OP's query then don't bother derailing the topic into something else please. And Psycho Pass was released back in 2012. Who was even Trump back then? Don't argue for the sake of arguing man. |
| Man... I've always wanted to post in a thread like this. I do think the shounen genre has its problems at times (moreso with anime like Toei's soulless and molasses-paced adaptations of one or more popular franchises that I'm not going to name), but overall the genre isn't bad. I feel society's grown really cynical lately (well actually for a large number of years) and it's annoyed me for a long time. I like mature stuff just as much as the next guy, but I also like to read/watch something that has that child-like purity to them... Well even then, there's still a line, and if it's crossed, then I become pretty salty (Fairy Tail or Air Gear for example). But I don't think that entire genres/demographics of media are subject to the "one bad apple spoils the bunch" phrase! except reality television and romances |
Kuma said: still though its always safe to assume that no relationship will ever start or be shown in yugiohKreatorX said: ... Dude, stick to the original question. You are simply defending shounen when the OP asks what is bad about shounen of today. Technicalities can take a backseat. It is going off-topic with respect to the discussion. As someone pointed out, If I wanted to be technical then you need to consider the source material. Psycho Pass is a tv show aimed at mature audiences. However, its manga is aimed at shounen while the Light novel is aimed at seinen. So does that make Psycho Pass anime aimed at shounen?. This is going very off-topic from the discussion, but if a teen today watches the content of Psycho Pass, I don't expect the teen to immediately understand the overall backdrop/themes clearly and will be something who will just think of it as a cool show with impressive guns, plot twists with blood and gore, purely riding on the shock-factor. again, anime and novel has no demographic on it's own... however, how the producer treated it can showing at least what audience they expected to gain profit for... and it's your assumption that they can't recive such as psycho pass, which mainly based your own observation, meainwhile, the publisher it self doesn't see it... not to mention lot of legetimate shounen has more questionable content that psycho pass ever be.... even inside shounen jump series it sefl, currently 2 about human get hunted survival when the other one can get pretty gory (i mean, the recent chapter, MC attack his enemeis with theri cut-off hand while defending using the enemy sliced food and head)... has psycho pass ever moking trump? well, shounen jump has 2 series mocking him literaly.... KawaiiPotato1412 said: I'm only talking about shonen that people say are pure shonen with shonen traits (eg the Big 3, Fairy Tail). Not the whole genre in general. The only pure shonen anime I fully love (only for now) is HeroAca. what is shounen traits even? can you make tratis based on series like shigatsu wa kimi no uso, azumanga daioh, death note, to love ru, shengeki no kyojin, etc? guulaash said: at least some shounens are distancing from romance or loveshit cliches, thats why yugioh is still my thing yugioh literay has lot shipping character tho.... |
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BAmario said: Kuma said: no deathnote conan and hata kenjirou dont count does conan, death note, anything by kenjirou hata is like that as well? yeah, like you, with GTO, and jojo.... why they aren't count when they also one of most popular shounen out there? VanVeleca said: The stories can be a bit dumb and generic especially if you watched/read more than 2 other shounen series but if you like it even though you know all the cliches and plot twists, you do you and he does his does azumanga daioh, ranma 1/2, mitsudomoe, sumire 16, akb 49, rokudou no onnatachi, pretty face, dr stone, Ao no Excorcist, and AHo girl is dumb, generic, and cliche as hell? KreatorX said: Kuma said: again, anime and novel has no demographic on it's own... however, how the producer treated it can showing at least what audience they expected to gain profit for... and it's your assumption that they can't recive such as psycho pass, which mainly based your own observation, meainwhile, the publisher it self doesn't see it... not to mention lot of legetimate shounen has more questionable content that psycho pass ever be.... even inside shounen jump series it sefl, currently 2 about human get hunted survival when the other one can get pretty gory (i mean, the recent chapter, MC attack his enemeis with theri cut-off hand while defending using the enemy sliced food and head)... has psycho pass ever moking trump? well, shounen jump has 2 series mocking him literaly.... Again, stick to the original question. If you can't respond to OP's query then don't bother derailing the topic into something else please. And Psycho Pass was released back in 2012. Who was even Trump back then? Don't argue for the sake of arguing man. it's not arguing for the sake argument, it's just has really wierd perception of shounen since yourself (like most people i quote) doesn't aware some of your favorite in shounen range as well then you use it againt's shounen in general and looking down the whole demographic.... it's even more ironic when your favorite literaly flooded by shounen as well despite you looking down on the demographic... like cromartie high school, danshi koukousei no nichijou, trigun ad tsukihime... |
KumaMay 24, 2018 6:23 PM
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: it's not arguing for the sake argument, it's just has really wierd perception of shounen since yourself (like most people i quote) doesn't aware some of your favorite in shounen range as well then you use it againt's shounen in general.... *Facepalm* Not arguing for the sake of arguing? Do I need to babysit you in English? What part of "What is so bad about shounen" has to do with my favourites? If I say majority of shonen tends to get stale for me, does that mean that applies to some my favourites as well? Stop dealing with absolutes and don't try too hard to derail the topic elsewhere. Stick to the topic as mentioned before. |
KreatorXMay 24, 2018 6:26 PM
KreatorX said: Kuma said: it's not arguing for the sake argument, it's just has really wierd perception of shounen since yourself (like most people i quote) doesn't aware some of your favorite in shounen range as well then you use it againt's shounen in general.... *Facepalm* Not arguing for the sake of arguing? Do I need to babysit you in English? What part of "What is so bad about shounen" has to do with my favourites? If I say majority of shonen tends to get stale for me, does that mean that applies to some my favourites as well? Stop dealing with absolutes and don't try too hard to derail the topic elsewhere. Stick to the topic = "What is so bad about shounen". some? more than half your favorite is shounen... how do you say most shounen is stale for you when your favorite is mostly shounen? that is not match.... Kuma said: it's even more ironic when your favorite literaly flooded by shounen as well despite you looking down on the demographic... like cromartie high school, danshi koukousei no nichijou, trigun ad tsukihime... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| LMFAO, please do yourself a favour and stop trying argue for no reason. You are selectively choosing what I say and making up your own interpretations of it. "Favourites literaly flooded by shonen". Where is the flood? My favourites have nothing to do with the question being asked. Plus, these were shows that I enjoyed years back when I was a teenager. I won't deny that I enjoyed them back then. If you are going to be so damn nitpicky, then Trigun Maximum manga is aimed at seinen. What does this piece of information have to do with the topic being discussed at hand? Jack-shit. :) Continuing in a similar fashion, Out of all my favourites, by your definitions, 5 are shounen. The rest are seinen. What does this piece of information have to do with the topic with discussed at hand? Nothing. Just to clear it out even further since you seem to interpret whatever I say on your own, nowhere did I claim that shounen sucks. I have merely stated factors that plague shounen of today. I don't deal with absolutes. When I say I tend to skip shonen/shoujo, it is simply because I have grown out of its appeal. Mature audience = mature content. Does it automatically imply all of shounen themed content sucks? Lol. |
KreatorXMay 24, 2018 6:49 PM
KreatorX said: LMFAO, please do yourself a favour and stop trying argue for no reason. You are selectively choosing what I say and making up your own interpretations of it. "Favourites literaly flooded by shonen". Where is the flood? My favourites have nothing to do with the question being asked. Plus, these were shows that I enjoyed years back when I was a teenager. I won't deny that I enjoyed them back then. If you are going to be so damn nitpicky, then Trigun Maximum manga is aimed at seinen. What does this piece of information have to do with the topic being discussed at hand? Jack-shit. :) Continuing in a similar fashion, Out of all my favourites, by your definitions, 5 are shounen. The rest are seinen. What does this piece of information have to do with the topic with discussed at hand? Nothing. Just to clear it out even further since you seem to interpret whatever I say on your own, nowhere did I claim that shounen sucks. I have merely stated factors that plague shounen of today. I don't deal with absolutes. When I say I tend to skip shonen/shoujo, it is simply because I have grown out of its appeal. Mature audience = mature content. Does it automatically imply all of shounen themed content sucks? Lol. sorry, did you just call trigun a seinen series depite published by shounen captain? seriously, how denial are you? no, it has everything with the topic... DKNN just released 3 years ago, the manga only complited 2 years ago... your definition of shounen is the one that extreamly nitpicking and generalized... it's kind of funny when you try to impose they are seinen when i already pointing out how the rest is probably fit with shounen demographic as well... considering the only legetimate seinen in your favorite is DMC by young animal which is actually an otaku gravure idol magazine (it's not even young animal arashi), and freesia by ikki which the one the actual seinen specialized in seinen magazine for specialized seinen magazine... now you tell me again you are getting out of shounen? your denial have no limit huh? |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: KreatorX said: LMFAO, please do yourself a favour and stop trying argue for no reason. You are selectively choosing what I say and making up your own interpretations of it. "Favourites literaly flooded by shonen". Where is the flood? My favourites have nothing to do with the question being asked. Plus, these were shows that I enjoyed years back when I was a teenager. I won't deny that I enjoyed them back then. If you are going to be so damn nitpicky, then Trigun Maximum manga is aimed at seinen. What does this piece of information have to do with the topic being discussed at hand? Jack-shit. :) Continuing in a similar fashion, Out of all my favourites, by your definitions, 5 are shounen. The rest are seinen. What does this piece of information have to do with the topic with discussed at hand? Nothing. Just to clear it out even further since you seem to interpret whatever I say on your own, nowhere did I claim that shounen sucks. I have merely stated factors that plague shounen of today. I don't deal with absolutes. When I say I tend to skip shonen/shoujo, it is simply because I have grown out of its appeal. Mature audience = mature content. Does it automatically imply all of shounen themed content sucks? Lol. sorry, did you just call trigun a seinen series depite published by shounen captain? seriously, how denial are you? no, it has everything with the topic... DKNN just released 3 years ago, the manga only complited 2 years ago... your definition of shounen is the one that extreamly nitpicking and generalized... it's kind of funny when you try to impose they are seinen when i already pointing out how the rest is probably fit with shounen demographic as well... considering the only legetimate seinen in your favorite is DMC by young animeal which is actually an otaku gravure idol magazine, and freesia by ikki which the one the actual seinen specialized in seinen magazine for specialized seinen magazine... now you tell me again you are getting out of shounen? your denial have no limit huh? Omg. Are you really daft? You are interpreting whatever the heck you want. My definitions of shounen are not nitpicky, sorry to burst your bubble. And for your kind information, Trigun Maximum is not published in Shounen Captain. Danshi Kokosei NN, I have only seen the anime and that was bloody 6 years ago. Please stop this nonsense. It is getting hilarious. Congratulations on reducing this topic into something completely different. I haven't event said shounen sucks and you are stupidly assuming that I am saying EVERYTHING shonen is bad. Wtf? Do you understand english? |
KreatorXMay 24, 2018 7:32 PM
KreatorX said: Kuma said: sorry, did you just call trigun a seinen series depite published by shounen captain? seriously, how denial are you? no, it has everything with the topic... DKNN just released 3 years ago, the manga only complited 2 years ago... your definition of shounen is the one that extreamly nitpicking and generalized... it's kind of funny when you try to impose they are seinen when i already pointing out how the rest is probably fit with shounen demographic as well... considering the only legetimate seinen in your favorite is DMC by young animeal which is actually an otaku gravure idol magazine, and freesia by ikki which the one the actual seinen specialized in seinen magazine for specialized seinen magazine... now you tell me again you are getting out of shounen? your denial have no limit huh? Omg. Are you really daft? You are interpreting whatever the you want. My definitions of shounen are not nitpicky, sorry to burst your bubble. And for you kind information, Trigun Maximum is not published in Shounen Captain. Please stop this nonsense. It is getting hilarious. Congratulations on reducing this topic into something completely different. I haven't event said shounen sucks and you are stupidly assuming that I am saying EVERYTHING shonen is bad. Wtf? Do you understand english? do we have to do this again? you imply that shounen is immature and childish KreatorX said: Over time as you grow up it starts to quickly loose its sheen. Power ups, tits, ass, busty women, "friends are everything", nearly predictable plots and etc, it frankly gets tiring with the formulaic combination. I'll admit that it is foolish to claim that shounen as a whole is trash but as others have pointed out, it's just that there is way too much of "bad" shounen as compared to "good" shounen. If someone says shounen is trash, doesn't mean that shows like Death Note are equally trash. and imply the mayority of shounen is stale and not for your age anymore... then you spread the generalitation even further and implly something like that is exception while it isn't.... despite lot of them still on your favorite? really? how do you can say mayority out of it is bad when mayority also filled your favorite? also called trigun maximum seinen because published in young king ours (which IIRC also aimed towards late teen as welll) while the publisher it self called shounen gashousha, because you know, they specialized at boys.... well, it is technically seinen, not as seinen as Ikki, or afternoon, or morning tho.. |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: and imply the mayority of shounen is stale and not for your age anymore... then you spread the generalitation even further and implly something like that is exception while it isn't.... despite lot of them still on your favorite? really? how do you can say mayority out of it is bad when mayority also filled your favorite? So what do you want me to do? Remove them from my favourites? Fucking brilliant! Do you honestly think that I rewatch my favourites every day? I favourite-rated them because I enjoyed them in the past. What the actual fuck does this have to do with the topic the OP asked? Perhaps you need to read this in bold " I'll admit that it is foolish to claim that shounen as a whole is trash but as others have pointed out, it's just that there is way too much of "bad" shounen as compared to "good" shounen. " "do we have to do this again? you imply that shounen is immature and childish" Bullshit. You are just trying to pick a fight here. Improve your English comprehension skills please. You are trying too hard. Just too hard. Either contribute something to the topic or just quit it. I mean, what the actual fuck did this conversation turn into. Just because I liked LoGH which was aired 20 years ago and then you were quick enough to point out that LoGH was serialized as a shonen manga despite being based off a series of novels? I thought you decided something was aimed at shonen/seinen based on the source material, wasn't it? Simply brilliant man. :) |
KreatorXMay 24, 2018 7:51 PM
KreatorX said: Kuma said: and imply the mayority of shounen is stale and not for your age anymore... then you spread the generalitation even further and implly something like that is exception while it isn't.... despite lot of them still on your favorite? really? how do you can say mayority out of it is bad when mayority also filled your favorite? So what do you want me to do? Remove them from my favourites? Fucking brilliant! Perhaps you need to read this in bold I'll admit that it is foolish to claim that shounen as a whole is trash but as others have pointed out, it's just that there is way too much of "bad" shounen as compared to "good" shounen. it's just that there is way too much of "bad" shounen as compared to "good" shounen. from where do you get that figure? have you watch/read that many shounen? have you try to compare it to other demographic? why it still dominate your favorite? KreatorX said: "do we have to do this again? you imply that shounen is immature and childish" Bullshit. You are just trying to pick a fight here. You are trying too hard. Just too hard. Either contribute something to the topic or just quit it. hey, i contribute, by rebute people who like OP friends like you... who discredited the demographic solely using generalization and enforce your "i am growing mature already" to denounce them.... KreatorX said: I mean, what the actual fuck did this conversation turn into. Just because I liked LoGH which was aired 20 years ago and then you were quick enough to point out that LoGH was serialized as a shonen manga despite being based off a series of novels? I thought you decided something was aimed at shonen/seinen based on the source material, wasn't it? Simply brilliant man. :) and again, that's what publisher treated it LoGH popular for which mean their main aduience... anime has no such a thing (except they actually done fandom sampling like what done with lot of anime like Love live, idolmaster, gundam, ETC)... also for fun, the first manga was in shounen captain, then moved to chara (a BL magazine).. the most recent remake is done in young jump magazine just started in 2016.... |
KumaMay 24, 2018 7:55 PM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: KreatorX said: So what do you want me to do? Remove them from my favourites? Fucking brilliant! Perhaps you need to read this in bold I'll admit that it is foolish to claim that shounen as a whole is trash but as others have pointed out, it's just that there is way too much of "bad" shounen as compared to "good" shounen. it's just that there is way too much of "bad" shounen as compared to "good" shounen. from where do you get that figure? have you watch/read that many shounen? have you try to compare it to other demographic? why it still dominate your favorite? KreatorX said: "do we have to do this again? you imply that shounen is immature and childish" Bullshit. You are just trying to pick a fight here. You are trying too hard. Just too hard. Either contribute something to the topic or just quit it. hey, i contribute, by rebute people who like OP friends like you... who discredited the demographic solely using generalization and enforce your "i am growing mature already" to denounce them.... You haven't contributed ANYWHERE in this topic. You only defended shounen. I pointed out what is wrong with the trend of any average shounen out there today. My favourites have nothing to do with this discussion (if they exist in my favourites, then they were that good to me). That is why I said you are trying too hard to pick-apart something I haven't even said. Read this slowly and carefully : I don't deal in absolutes . My views on shounen are based on my anime list and the manga I have read so far. You are twisting my words into something else. Improve your English comprehension. |
KreatorXMay 24, 2018 7:59 PM
KreatorX said: Kuma said: it's just that there is way too much of "bad" shounen as compared to "good" shounen. from where do you get that figure? have you watch/read that many shounen? have you try to compare it to other demographic? why it still dominate your favorite? hey, i contribute, by rebute people who like OP friends like you... who discredited the demographic solely using generalization and enforce your "i am growing mature already" to denounce them.... You haven't contributed ANYWHERE in this topic. You only defended shounen. I pointed out what is wrong with the trend of any average shounen out there today. My views on shounen are based on my anime list and the manga I have read so far. You are twisting my words into something else. Improve your English comprehension. well, this series about OP questioning "is it wrong to liking shounen" as defense... what is average shounen today? how do you can come to such conclusion? how do you can take the generelization of a bunch of shounen demographic series in range from yotsubato to detective conan to Shuumatsu no harem to yakusoku no neverland? sorry if my english is bad... i just wondering how you can come in such conclusing, based on prejudice with no basis, that not even has a little of self awareness... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: KreatorX said: You haven't contributed ANYWHERE in this topic. You only defended shounen. I pointed out what is wrong with the trend of any average shounen out there today. My views on shounen are based on my anime list and the manga I have read so far. You are twisting my words into something else. Improve your English comprehension. well, this series about OP questioning "is it wrong to liking shounen" as defense... what is average shounen today? how do you can come to such conclusion? how do you can take the generelization of a bunch of shounen demographic series in range from yotsubato to detective conan to Shuumatsu no harem to yakusoku no neverland? sorry if my english is bad... i just wondering how you can come in such conclusing, based on prejudice with no basis, that not even has a little of self awareness... No little self awareness? Prejudice with no basis? Wtf? I just wrote above that my views on shounen are based on my anime and manga experiences so far. Did you not read it or what? It would definitely be classified as zero-self awareness and prejudice with no basis ONLY if all shows were just Plan-to-watch and I am giving my opinions out of thin air. OP asks what is so bad about shonen. I told him what was bad. I even told one line which you CLEARLY did not read is : if you like shounen so much, why bother letting others change your opinion of it ? Did that make sense to you? It is understandable that your English is bad, as I have been trying to explain one thing over and over again. I can't blame you for that. If that is the case then no point continuing this discussion. It will only cause useless misunderstanding and meaningless arguments for no reason. |
KreatorXMay 24, 2018 8:08 PM
KreatorX said: Kuma said: well, this series about OP questioning "is it wrong to liking shounen" as defense... what is average shounen today? how do you can come to such conclusion? how do you can take the generelization of a bunch of shounen demographic series in range from yotsubato to detective conan to Shuumatsu no harem to yakusoku no neverland? sorry if my english is bad... i just wondering how you can come in such conclusing, based on prejudice with no basis, that not even has a little of self awareness... No little self awareness? Prejudice with no basis? Wtf? I just wrote above that my views on shounen are based on my anime and manga experiences so far. Did you not read it or what. again, has your experience really enough to do generalization on shounen? has you experience cover such a wide range demographic? i already give you example some of shounen series that at least, sold better than bleach before it got axed and still very not like bleach or other hot blooded battle series.... KreatorX said: OP asks what is so bad about shonen. I told him what was bad. I even told one line which you CLEARLY did not read is : if you like shounen so much, why bother letting others change your opinion of it ? Did that make sense to you? It is understandable that your English is bad, as I have been trying to explain one thing over and over again. ehh. my view of shounen is not change and i don't even try to change others... it's mainly easy entertainemtn with easy access out of their series demographic for me.... i am not even adhore shounen series that much (considering even my graph saying my favorite demographic is seinen)... i just bothered by you making generalization that look like based of such a nitpicking series you watch and complitely ignore lot other shounen which some of them even placed in your favorite... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| When you say "again, has your experience really enough to do generalization on shounen? has you experience cover such a wide range demographic?" , it certainly doesn't. I have a busy life. I take frequent long breaks from anime and then catch up on all the shows that finished airing in good quality. That is why I emphasized on the sentence I don't deal in absolutes. There will always be shounen that are good and bad, same goes for seinen. My viewing experience favors seinen more than shounen now. Kuma said: ehh. my view of shounen is not change and i don't even try to change others... it's mainly easy entertainemtn with easy access out of their series demographic for me.... i am not even adhore shounen series that much (considering even my graph saying my favorite demographic is seinen)... i just bothered by you making generalization that look like based of such a nitpicking series you watch and complitely ignore lot other shounen which some of them even placed in your favorite... This is a misunderstanding. You did not go through my first post properly. I had addressed that line if you like shounen so much, why bother letting others change your opinion of it ? to the OP who asked the question. Why would I tell it to you when you did not even ask for it? I have only 12-13 items in my favourite and I am not ignoring them. Some of them are few shounen from my anime/manga list that I liked back as a teenager. Which is yet again why I said my favourites have nothing to do with the question OP asked. Have a good day. |
KreatorXMay 24, 2018 8:22 PM
KreatorX said: Kuma said: ehh. my view of shounen is not change and i don't even try to change others... it's mainly easy entertainemtn with easy access out of their series demographic for me.... i am not even adhore shounen series that much (considering even my graph saying my favorite demographic is seinen)... i just bothered by you making generalization that look like based of such a nitpicking series you watch and complitely ignore lot other shounen which some of them even placed in your favorite... This is a misunderstanding. You did not go through my first post properly. I had addressed that line if you like shounen so much, why bother letting others change your opinion of it ? to the OP who asked the question. Why would I tell it to you when you did not even ask for it? I have only 12-13 items in my favourite and I am not ignoring them. Some of them are few shounen from my anime/manga list that I liked back as a teenager. Which is yet again why I said my favourites have nothing to do with the question OP asked. Have a good day. oh i tough it was for me? sorry for take it too personally... so, do you still liking them or not? and again, it has to do with your opinion on shounen demographic.... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| @ Kuma : No, I sadly do not enjoy them as much as I did before. Have become more and more choosy with what I want to watch. @ comedylover : I agree with what you said but I have addressed those points earlier. I will repeat that I don't deal in absolutes. :) So far I haven't had a problem of coming across stuff that disappoints me these days, this is simply because I have become more selective in what I appreciate. These days I tend to binge stuff and ask in no-spoiler sections in reddit as to whether the said story has been resolved or not. A simple yes/no to that question seems to get the job done. |
KreatorXMay 24, 2018 8:41 PM
BAmario said: Kuma said: they don't count because death note and conan don't have dense main characters and both have one story to tell that doesnt drag on. In deathnote's case it focused on the main characters without relying on shonen tropes and fanservice, and Conan has been delivering extremely meticulous and well-crafted cases since its beginning, if it drags on anywhere you can skip the filler which is also not that bad. Conan anime is literally right next to the manga it just needs like 10 more episodes to catch up, that's why fillers are increasing in it. Hata kenjirou works like Hayate no Gotoku is special in a sense that the audience are the ones who wanted romance not Hayate. Unlike other main characters Hayate realized that some girls have feelings for him and told them outright that he isn't looking for a relationship because of his job, and stayed true to that sense, that's why Hayate should be viewed from the light that the MC doesn't want a relationship not CAN't get one.why they aren't count when they also one of most popular shounen out there? does azumanga daioh, ranma 1/2, mitsudomoe, sumire 16, akb 49, rokudou no onnatachi, pretty face, dr stone, Ao no Excorcist, and AHo girl is dumb, generic, and cliche as hell? it's not arguing for the sake argument, it's just has really wierd perception of shounen since yourself (like most people i quote) doesn't aware some of your favorite in shounen range as well then you use it againt's shounen in general and looking down the whole demographic.... it's even more ironic when your favorite literaly flooded by shounen as well despite you looking down on the demographic... like cromartie high school, danshi koukousei no nichijou, trigun ad tsukihime... it still shounen tho, and one of most popular at that.... no matter how you describe it... they are also an icon of shounen.... |
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BAmario said: Kuma said: that's true they are shonen, Im not saying they aren't dont get me wrong, I said in my original quote that not all shonen have these characteristics, I know there are exceptions, and these happen to be some of them(the good ones).it still shounen tho, and one of most popular at that.... no matter how you describe it... they are also an icon of shounen.... how are they exceptions? there is tons of them out there who isn't like that including most of your favorites? |
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Kuma said: KreatorX said: ... Dude, stick to the original question. You are simply defending shounen when the OP asks what is bad about shounen of today. Technicalities can take a backseat. It is going off-topic with respect to the discussion. As someone pointed out, If I wanted to be technical then you need to consider the source material. Psycho Pass is a tv show aimed at mature audiences. However, its manga is aimed at shounen while the Light novel is aimed at seinen. So does that make Psycho Pass anime aimed at shounen?. This is going very off-topic from the discussion, but if a teen today watches the content of Psycho Pass, I don't expect the teen to immediately understand the overall backdrop/themes clearly and will be something who will just think of it as a cool show with impressive guns, plot twists with blood and gore, purely riding on the shock-factor. again, anime and novel has no demographic on it's own... however, how the producer treated it can showing at least what audience they expected to gain profit for... and it's your assumption that they can't recive such as psycho pass, which mainly based your own observation, meainwhile, the publisher it self doesn't see it... not to mention lot of legetimate shounen has more questionable content that psycho pass ever be.... even inside shounen jump series it sefl, currently 2 about human get hunted survival when the other one can get pretty gory (i mean, the recent chapter, MC attack his enemeis with theri cut-off hand while defending using the enemy sliced food and head)... has psycho pass ever moking trump? well, shounen jump has 2 series mocking him literaly.... KawaiiPotato1412 said: I'm only talking about shonen that people say are pure shonen with shonen traits (eg the Big 3, Fairy Tail). Not the whole genre in general. The only pure shonen anime I fully love (only for now) is HeroAca. what is shounen traits even? can you make tratis based on series like shigatsu wa kimi no uso, azumanga daioh, death note, to love ru, shengeki no kyojin, etc? guulaash said: at least some shounens are distancing from romance or loveshit cliches, thats why yugioh is still my thing yugioh literay has lot shipping character tho.... Are you talking about the shonen genre or the whole shonen demographic itself? |
| Shounen anime is my favourite, too. I think it gets a bad rap due to all the tropes it employs, which some people see as 'cheesy' or 'lazy', and also it gets called 'normie' due to the popularity of shounen i.e. OPM, DBZ. Like anyone should give a shit about being normie. |
KawaiiPotato1412 said: Kuma said: again, anime and novel has no demographic on it's own... however, how the producer treated it can showing at least what audience they expected to gain profit for... and it's your assumption that they can't recive such as psycho pass, which mainly based your own observation, meainwhile, the publisher it self doesn't see it... not to mention lot of legetimate shounen has more questionable content that psycho pass ever be.... even inside shounen jump series it sefl, currently 2 about human get hunted survival when the other one can get pretty gory (i mean, the recent chapter, MC attack his enemeis with theri cut-off hand while defending using the enemy sliced food and head)... has psycho pass ever moking trump? well, shounen jump has 2 series mocking him literaly.... what is shounen traits even? can you make tratis based on series like shigatsu wa kimi no uso, azumanga daioh, death note, to love ru, shengeki no kyojin, etc? yugioh literay has lot shipping character tho.... Are you talking about the shonen genre or the whole shonen demographic itself? what is shounen genre even? what i know is only shounen demographic.... |
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| It is the fan base that make them look worse. |
| Because it has the same formula where the plot could be predicted easly. Best example of the worst shounen so far was Fairy Tail, it started out great then author use same formula with Natsu get defeated, yada2 bullshit nakama power, win and repeat. And all those story we barely got time for both Natsu and Who's the bitch again that exist only for fanservice? Oh don't forget the Mary Stu Erza. Also one shounen i picked recently was Owari no Seraph, at first glance i never thought this was shounen until i realise how garbage the formula was, the MC was Cry baby with "special power" but when he released his power the story gone like nope you're still a shit. Not to mention how many cringefest around and 1 dimensional side characters. Then you got Black Clover... No thanks |
genesic123 said: They dont give a shit about story,they are made to drag out instead of having a proper beginning ,middle and end. Shonen jump killed proper battle manga and anime. jump will end a series if author demand to do so... slam dunk, kochikame, koroko no basuke, bakuman, and most recently, ansatsu kyoshitsu is ended by author wish.... |
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genesic123 said: Kuma said: jump will end a series if author demand to do so... slam dunk, kochikame, koroko no basuke, bakuman, and most recently, ansatsu kyoshitsu is ended by author wish.... They will end only when they have overstayed their welcome(money).There may be exceptions but now they are few and far in between now. what? all of them was one of prime sell of jump during it's time... it's not exception... even recently, saiki kusou ended dispite currently airing it anime... it alwasy has been like that... if author demand it, or reader demand it, it will ended... however if author didn't want it end, neither the reader, they will continue... as simple as that.... |
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genesic123 said: Kuma said: what? all of them was one of prime sell of jump during it's time... it's not exception... even recently, saiki kusou ended dispite currently airing it anime... it alwasy has been like that... if author demand it, or reader demand it, it will ended... however if author didn't want it end, neither the reader, they will continue... as simple as that.... There used to be anime oriented shonen that had proper plots,now they dont exist and are just advertisments for the source material.Even the "complete" shonen now are mediocore and forgetable at best. Shonen Jump is Cancer can you give example for your argument? because shounen jump literaly still few of magazine who can pull pumping lot of sequel.... |
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| Only, edgy people hate shounen. Shounen is life, shounen is lov |
| Only snobs dislike battle shonen and mahou shoujo. |
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| People hate what's popular and shounen's popular. I would never watch ONLY shounen but i do prefer it to most genres |
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| look, i think that the age that is made for, made the show a little worst, like u practically can't show deads, u can't show that deep messages, and the typical things about the fight shounen, a lot of another things, but that are my top 2 worst things |
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| hes just another person with "narrow tastebuds" who cant see the good in each genre, unless if he has some few shounens he does like |
| Sonic X is basically an isekai |
| The bad thing about it are that it's predictable AF, lot of troupes and cliches, most of them follows a formula and they are simple. The good things are that most of them have cool concepts and lot of battles. Of course, you can find some shounen with solid plot, interesting characters and that are not predictable. But they are the less. I think that you could call the genre a Jack of all trades but master of none, they are "warm" and never go too deep at anything. That lack of depth makes it hard, at least to me, to give a special place. Again, some break the rules and take it a bit further than most shounen. |
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| Not again this "Lets blame people who criticize battle shounen's shortcomings on hating all the shounen!" topic... |
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