Hunter x Hunter (2011) in the top 6

judals said:
And that's wrong because?
Here I go: It's definitely the greatest shonen ever. It's one of the greatest ANIME ever, and Togashi is a genius for making a masterpiece, out of a battle shonen no less.

somebody_else said:

And now you sound like a fanboy. Is it bad? No! Is it wrong? No! Does you opinion have at least the slightest value? If you can't see it in the critics way then definitely no! ;)

somebody_else said:

Sorry, my bad, said it in a wrong way. I just meant that CA as it is the last story have much much more weight on the judgment then anything else. GI can be considered downfall only if CA is much much better. If its not then you don't really need to talk about GI.

YucchinZoldyick said:

It's okay. And I'd have to agree that CA arc seems to have so much weight for judgment, considering(as what I've heard) HxH got in top 10 during the said arc. Not to mention, some people freaking out over it. Also GI, being better than CA or not is a matter of preference, really. I'm curious though, what's the usual complaint about GI?(too lazy to browse other threads lol)

kanno_ said:
What I mean to say is that... Gon is also a stupid character to some extent. He understands dating/getting seduced/etc doesn't mean much.

Also,

"HxH is not for you because it's complex and dark."

"You don't like HxH because you prefer stupid male lead."

"Your favorite anime is full of cliches meanwhile HxH doesn't have one, so original."

Etc.

It's always been like this. As if only selected few people who have good taste would love the flawless HxH.

DrizzyXP said:
It existed with Ki in Dragon Ball and Reiki in Yu Yu Hakusho. Yes, I know it's more complex, but it's not the point. It isn't original, that's what I'm getting at.

Revolutionary by definition is something that will change other things. I'm pretty sure no other Shounen that comes out of Jump will follow the same formula with the energy as HxH left behind. Simply because it takes a lot of thinking to understand it. They will use a simple power system like the one in Dragon Ball or the one in Bleach.

Oh please do explain how he's not cliché, and how is asspull transformation wasn't cliché either.

DrizzyXP said:
It existed with Ki in Dragon Ball and Reiki in Yu Yu Hakusho. Yes, I know it's more complex, but it's not the point. It isn't original, that's what I'm getting at.

Revolutionary by definition is something that will change other things. I'm pretty sure no other Shounen that comes out of Jump will follow the same formula with the energy as HxH left behind. Simply because it takes a lot of thinking to understand it. They will use a simple power system like the one in Dragon Ball or the one in Bleach.

Oh please do explain how he's not cliché, and how is asspull transformation wasn't cliché either.

judals said:

Some really shallow stuff.
Genthru not being a top-tier, being a psychopath, the arc bothering to have training, and stuff like that.

somebody_else said:

Well... for me, until GI HxH was something that was obeying some rules and logic. Starting with GI it was like a fantasy - we can come up with anything as long as it doesn't deny main HxH's principals. It started to lose its realism. Actually it wasn't too real from the start with its "they all died, so there is more barbecue for us", but it was GI that started to ruin the logic itself with introduction of "we can pull any trick with nen". Also there is Genthru that, as everybody says is not a top tier, nonetheless causes too much trouble for everyone. We see bunch of people that were able to go through the hunters exam and learn nen, that are supposed to be prepared for death long time ago are now behaving like useless, powerless scaredy cats. Those were the main for me.

DrizzyXP said:

Gon is the happy go-lucky main character that hardly changes at all.

DrizzyXP said:
It's not revolutionary if it's not going to stick with future Shounen.

judals said:
That's because you can pull any trick with Nen.

Which part was illogical, specifically? Because I felt GI augmented the realism of the show.

somebody_else said:

I must disagree with this statement. Anyway you can't use it as some kind of argument because you never know what will happen in the future.


You misunderstood. It wasn't illogical. It ruined a small world of ours and created something without limits.

Oh and what do you see as revolutionary in their powers? Like introduction to classes? It was revolutionary... somewhere in the middle of 80's in some board game... And there is that "specialist" class, that can be anything you need for a plot. How convenient...

judals said:
I'm not referring to "classes" since surely they were not integrated to begin with.


I don't get what you mean by "without limits", if you mean its imagination/versatility isn't limited the I agree, but if you mean that the power isn't... "Conservative" or it's not very realistic within the established boundaries, then I'd disagree.

noonealive said:
I'm not sure how you can think of Gon as a cliche MC after watching the Hunter Exam, the thoughts he had and the actions he did makes you kind of think he...is...umm crazy.

somebody_else said:

I mean exactly its imagination/versatility isn't limited and it is bad. Limitless world is the feature of any fantasy. The more laws you bring to your invented world the harder it becomes to move through it, the harder is to come up with something interesting.

You know, with all the money, ideas and development, there are only a few movies that are authentically good, staying in the world of our realities and being completely fictional. Most of the good movies are based on real stories or go beyond the rules of our world. That is because it is really hard to invent a good story carrying the heavy burden of reality, but if you can, then it will pay itself greatly.

Having a limitless world is not a great thing. At all. You can still make something good of it, but for me it is a cheap and easy way.

Having a limitless world is not a great thing. At all. You can still make something good of it, but for me it is a cheap and easy way.

noonealive said:
I'm not sure how you can think of Gon as a cliche MC after watching the Hunter Exam, the thoughts he had and the actions he did makes you kind of think he...is...umm crazy.

YucchinZoldyick said:

Well... for me, until GI HxH was something that was obeying some rules and logic. Starting with GI it was like a fantasy - we can come up with anything as long as it doesn't deny main HxH's principals. It started to lose its realism. Actually it wasn't too real from the start with its "they all died, so there is more barbecue for us", but it was GI that started to ruin the logic itself with introduction of "we can pull any trick with nen". Also there is Genthru that, as everybody says is not a top tier, nonetheless causes too much trouble for everyone. We see bunch of people that were able to go through the hunters exam and learn nen, that are supposed to be prepared for death long time ago are now behaving like useless, powerless scaredy cats. Those were the main for me.

DrizzyXP said:
It's not revolutionary if it's not going to stick with future Shounen.

Gon is the happy go-lucky main character that hardly changes at all. That's cliché, he's almost a copy of Kid Goku, just a bit smarter.

Kreemy said:
He hasn't displayed those traits since Pitou/Kite.

"Hardy changes at all" is inaccurate post GI

judals said:

No. Just no.
Human imagination is never limited, ideas don't have any boundaries.
If what you claim is true about the world being hard to move through, how come HxH has the most number of rules yet is the most flexible?
...
So you have yet to give examples of what felt "unrealistic" to you.

YucchinZoldyick said:
Also, what do you mean by, "can pull any tricks with nen"? Can you give me an example of that in GI?

YucchinZoldyick said:
Oh yeah, about Genthru. I think there weren't many hunters/nen-users playing inside the game that were strong enough to fight against Genthru's nen ability. If there's any, they just didn't care(e.g Hisoka; Phantom Troupe). Or I'm wrong? Since I only watched the '99 OVA of GI.

somebody_else said:

That is exactly what I was complaining at. Hundreds of hunters were just a meat even though they should be professionals.

somebody_else said:

Actually it does not have any rules. Whenever you need it you can pull something out of your sleeve, that is why it is so flexible. There can't be unrealistic things. You know, you can't distribute poison with a high temperature bomb. It is simple and obvious, the poison will just burn out, but in HxH you can invent an answer on the go. Whatever you need, whenever you need.

And you can't invent something that does not obeys any logic. It is just impossible. Even if you say a contradiction, like we are descending by going up, in the limitless world you can invent something that will explain it. There is a short film "The Death and Return of Superman" available on youtube. Firstly, as I had never read comics before, I thought it is some kind of parody for something I don't understand, but then I did some research about superman comics and found out that the film is telling us a true story. I think it is the best example of the "limitless" world.

Logic only matters in a world that have boundaries. Like you can't do that and that, so what will you do now? But if anything is good then how can you even break a logic?


Everything, every card and the game itself were created with nen. Flying? Teleporting? Resurection? Anything is possible.

That is exactly what I was complaining at. Hundreds of hunters were just a meat even though they should be professionals.

When the world seems limitless because the author invented a plot device and a system that makes many bizarre things seem functional and realistic, that's just damn god writing.
HxH isn't based on a real story, it's a fiction, fiction usually tends to be better at imaginative things while not as good in realistic themes and problems.
But an author can take a fictional story and make it seem realistic, which kind of perfects it by combining the best of the two aspects.

Kreemy said:
He hasn't displayed those traits since Pitou/Kite.

"Hardy changes at all" is inaccurate post GI

DrizzyXP said:


One arc. How much do you want to bet middle of DC arc he's the same Gon as usual?

tsudecimo said:

Not caring for your safety/life to achieve something/Reckless behavior is pretty generic, and Goku-like.

Sapewloth said:
Why did this turn into another is HxH overrated argument?

noonealive said:


Stealing Ponzu's card, thinking of using Kurapika and leorio as bait for hisoka's badge, using another guy as bait to get the badge.....Yeah nothing like Goku..

judals said:
You have again failed to provide an example, and to distinguish between my comparisons. Now I'm starting to believe that "illogical" part is just something you could not comprehend.

judals said:
What do you mean on the go?
And what's wrong with inventing answer?
Does the answer make sense? If so, why not?
It's like you're against having imaginative things explained in an intelligent, realistic way.

judals said:
You're contradicting yourself.

judals said:
hunter x hunter does have boundaries such that nothing seems like an asspull/breaks the established rules, but the extent to which it can reach out while staying logical is very wide.

judals said:
The example you gave about descending vs going up is the worst possible thing to defend your case. Since the idea of it is about perspective rather than logic. And is very much logical within our world, let alone in fiction.

jreginald said:
[spoiler]
Actually, Gon is a lot like Goku. I quoted a guy that listed almost all similarities between the two in this thread.

But they're also pretty different, like the examples you posted above.

TheVoidMaster said:
One of the best series I have ever seen. Well deserved.

somebody_else said:

And considering your profile you've seen the whole 7... ;)

insan3Spectre said:


One of the best series I have seen and well deserved.

IntroverTurtle said:
Not one of the best series I have seen and it isn't well deserved.


Well it matters how high is "one of the best".

cronosteso23 said:
Hunter x Hunter 2020 (HxH Dark Continent??) will be #1 XD

somebody_else said:

God... How many times I need to say you. There is no illogical parts, because the logic itself was destructed and widened by immeasurable length. Anything in this world is logical.


With "on the go" I mean easily. There is nothing wrong with inventing an answer, it is obvious that you need to invent answers if you are inventing a story lol. But if the answer can be given easily then there is no point to watch the story. It is not interesting and I can just close my eyes and dream about it, unless I'm too lazy for that...


Where exactly?


What rules are you talking about exactly?


Chill.. It was just an example. I was talking about physical matters. Like going down the stairs and find yourself upstairs. Not about something abstract, and what matters is the fact you understood it.

Sapewloth said:
Makes sense. （ ´_⊃｀）

johnyjohny said:
Quit the hyping. Even you Chimera fans know it is going to the top 60 eventually. I kind of hate still why 90's version is so much lower rated in comparison to the 2011 version. Does the chimera arc really justifies giving it a 0.44+? I don't think so. People should have realist HxH was that good from the beginning. But i think we all agree in a means of time that older anime are just at a disadvantage these days. People need to be more realistic.