| Well, who else is there to do their job? Shouldn't that be the more major problem, in this case? Also, Article said: Other things Miyazaki doesn't like include: Abe Administration, the Iraq War, and the iPad, for which he compared the gestures to masturbation Wut? |
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| He implied about the animation, which I believe it's true. But if we talking about the "moe" itself, it's half bullshit. Things like this will always happen. Are you going to say the endless shounens with big fanbase isn't the same bullshit as unrealistic moe ? If we had a industry with only drama, people would complain about drama. |
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| He's referring to the animation. Does he mean animation should emulate real-life and not over-exaggerate human movements, at least the ones not meant for comedy effect? |
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xJapaliicious said: He implied about the animation, which I believe it's true. But if we talking about the "moe" itself, it's half bullshit. Things like this will always happen. Are you going to say the endless shounens with big fanbase isn't the same bullshit as unrealistic moe ? If we had a industry with only drama, people would complain about drama. I don't think Miyazaki is this superficial, I think he meant the character and story being too cliche and uninteresting. |
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zetsubousei_hero said: Japanese definition of otaku is not the english interpretation of it. In all likelihood, you are not an otaku, so are not most of the anime fans outside of japan.http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-01-30/miyazaki/the-problem-with-the-anime-industry-is-it-full-of-otaku I just want my fellow otaku opinion on it whether you agree or disagree. For me I think the industry need otaku to survive. To answer the question though, maybe. Indeed otaku tends to buy a lot of anime, which finance the industry. However, they tend to buy the moe/fanservice type of anime, purchases that steer the industry toward the less intelligent direction. Overall, existence of otaku is the fundamental targeting demographics of anime, but it also is the cause of overdone fanservice being commonplace. edit: otaku in the actual industry can stay at their job because they know what otaku needs. It is the same question. |
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| Haven't read the posts here cuz ain't got no time fo dat. But gonna chime in with my thoughts anyway I think a lot of people misinterpreted what he meant to say. At least on FB they did. Dunno about here. What he, in my opinion, refers to when he used the word 'otaku' are the people who are socially awkward, do not have the urge/will to interact with real people of the real world and instead choose to spend most of their time with gal games or just watch a lot of anime in general. People who are a part of the anime industry needs creators that possess real life experience - experience with people, with how their mind works, what makes them tick etc. Understanding how other people around you react to situations in real life is instrumental in knowing what is more likely to affect them or tug at their heart strings. If all you do is isolate yourself from the real world, you won't be able to create things that are effectively appealing to a lot of people. Because you just lack the knowledge/experience to understand what they'd like. You can make mindless hentai or stories with no substance (thanks to lack of experience when it comes to situations in the world outside), but that isn't what the industry needs. That is what I got out of his comment. |
bunny_lover said: zetsubousei_hero said: Japanese definition of otaku is not the english interpretation of it. In all likelihood, you are not an otaku, so are not most of the anime fans outside of japan.http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-01-30/miyazaki/the-problem-with-the-anime-industry-is-it-full-of-otaku I just want my fellow otaku opinion on it whether you agree or disagree. For me I think the industry need otaku to survive. To answer the question though, maybe. Indeed otaku tends to buy a lot of anime, which finance the industry. However, they tend to buy the moe/fanservice type of anime, purchases that steer the industry toward the less intelligent direction. Overall, existence of otaku is the fundamental targeting demographics of anime, but it also is the cause of overdone fanservice being commonplace. edit: otaku in the actual industry can stay at their job because they know what otaku needs. It is the same question. True. It can be both a good and a bad thing. |
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| Stopped reading after he compared the gestures of a tablet to masturbation. This guy should stick to his field. |
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Forgetfulness said: Largething said: I know there were a couple anime that were considered more "serious" in the past like 2 years such asZalis said: To anyone who thinks that otaku/moe anime is ruining the industry by crowding out other types of anime, I ask you this: how many legitimate releases of serious/mature/psychological/horror/whatever have you purchased? How many very good ones have been made recently? This is a two-way thing. You can't just pin the blame on the audience when interesting ideas get shot down before they reach the drawing board because they're not commercially viable enough. It's valid to put the industry's feet to the fire. Anyway. Quality knows no genre. This dichotomy of "cutesy garbage vs serious mature shows" is stupid because some of the best anime of the 80s was undeniably pretty cutesy, and plenty of dark, serious shows pander to sensibilities no deeper than a harem show does. That's what the problem is: commercial pandering with nothing else going on creatively. Miyazaki has a point, but I question the idea that his one-dimensional Jesus-like female protagonists are somehow deeper than an anime that happens to have exploitation elements. Steins;Gate, Fate/Zero, Psycho-Pass, Madoka Magica there are undoubtedly more, but I haven't seen them so I can't make a judgement on them I don't think that exactly need to be serious, but we had many great names this last 4 years: Steins;Gate Fate/Zero Psycho-Pass Madoka Magica Durarara!! Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Shinsekai Yori Hataraku Maou-sama! Ore no Seishun LoveCome wa Machigatteiru Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki Hyouka not forgetting that I don't remember everything I also like the fact we have many "bad animes", because we can discern the good ones after this fact. |
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xJapaliicious said: I don't think that exactly need to be serious, but we had many great names this last 4 years: I think that serious is meant approximately as 'with actual meaning', in this case, so: Steins;Gate - moelite, SF dramaschlock Fate/Zero - i'll give you this Psycho-Pass - superficially quote me harder Madoka Magica - too condensed Durarara!! Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Shinsekai Yori Hataraku Maou-sama!- derivative as anything Ore no Seishun LoveCome wa Machigatteiru - barely Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki - haven't seen Hyouka - cutesy moe "not forgetting that I don't remember everything" - because there isn't much to remember! dohohohoho. (I jest.) But clearly, the masterpiece sect would gladly take that list to the furnace. xJapaliicious said: Well good thing the government screws up all the time, that way we can at least tell when they're doing things right!I also like the fact we have many "bad animes", because we can discern the good ones after this fact. |
Ckan said: Steins;Gate - moelite, SF dramaschlock Stopped there. I had to laugh |
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| He is completely right. Even most of the "better" and popular series in the past years were riddled with dumb tropes (Steins;Gate, F/Z and all the other stuff from T/M and Key) whereas series like Hyougo Mono or Kyousogiga barely find an audience. xJapaliicious said: Ckan said: Steins;Gate - moelite, SF dramaschlock Stopped there. I had to laugh Feyris-nyan, Makise being a 2channer, Okabe being a chuunis elfinsert, blatant Akibahara wanking, etc. It IS full of otaku tropes. |
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Nidhoeggr said: I doubt you understood half of the theory.xJapaliicious said: Ckan said: Steins;Gate - moelite, SF dramaschlock Stopped there. I had to laugh Feyris-nyan, Makise being a 2channer, Okabe being a chuunis elfinsert, blatant Akibahara wanking, etc. It IS full of otaku tropes. |
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xJapaliicious said: Forget that I ever took you seriously. Ad hominem strongk.Nidhoeggr said: I doubt you understood half of the theory.xJapaliicious said: Ckan said: Steins;Gate - moelite, SF dramaschlock Stopped there. I had to laugh Feyris-nyan, Makise being a 2channer, Okabe being a chuunis elfinsert, blatant Akibahara wanking, etc. It IS full of otaku tropes. |
xJapaliicious said: Nidhoeggr said: I doubt you understood half of the theory.xJapaliicious said: Ckan said: Steins;Gate - moelite, SF dramaschlock Stopped there. I had to laugh Feyris-nyan, Makise being a 2channer, Okabe being a chuunis elfinsert, blatant Akibahara wanking, etc. It IS full of otaku tropes. He's got shit taste, that's why he quoted exactly that in his post sign. |
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xJapaliicious said: Nidhoeggr said: I doubt you understood half of the theory.xJapaliicious said: Ckan said: Steins;Gate - moelite, SF dramaschlock Stopped there. I had to laugh Feyris-nyan, Makise being a 2channer, Okabe being a chuunis elfinsert, blatant Akibahara wanking, etc. It IS full of otaku tropes. Of what? Of the dumb timetravel bullshit? Sure... stick to your harem and ecchi tropes, complete with traps, otaku references that are oh-so-witty and a loser protagonist you can relate to. I prefer good series. I have yet to find a recent LN/VN that is on par with actual literature in quality. If the industry evolves around otakus quality will degrade even further as the vicious cycle of dependence continues. CkanForget said: that I ever took you seriously. Ad hominem strongk. If I liked most modern LN/VN I'd resort to ad hominem as well - it's hard to rationalize liking them :P |
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Aylaine said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: I like Miyazaki. I do too, but that doesn't mean he's always right. Anime has grown a lot since his heyday in my opinion, for better or worse depending who you ask. All things degrade over time as ideas run out, technical aspects increase, etc in my opinion. It's happened to a few media types already. That's what I feel is holding the industry back at times. How many interesting concepts/stories have been shot down because they wouldn't turn in enough money? I used to be an avid PC gamer, and video games have hit the same block. If it doesn't produce enough money, it's likely never going to be made. In it's place will be something similar to what's been made already, albeit a different plot mechanic or storyline element thrown in. There are exceptions of course, but most of the time I feel that is how things end up. Isn't that part of what he said? I'm confused regarding to the relevance of my quote to your post. Anyway, I find it likeable that he criticizes anime from otakus for otakus and also that he seems to dislike the IPad. But I don't think that things in the 80's were much different from what you've described. Only back then money was made mostly with TV ratings and not BD sales, so the series were longer and aimed at broader audiences and generally had different requirements for success compared to most modern Late-night shows. Because of the developments from TV to Latenight anime some genres/styles have almost died out, but overall the variety has increased a lot because the output has increased a lot. So while I'm not happy with the number of Otaku pandering series coming out each season, I can't honestly say the variety modern anime offers has declined because of it. |
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| Steins;Gate was damn entertaining and enjoyable, but denying that it's filled to the brim with stuff pandering to Otakus is just showing hard denial... |
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| Miyazaki is a douche. |
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dblbch said: Miyazaki is a douche. He only speaks the harsh truth. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Steins;Gate was damn entertaining and enjoyable, but denying that it's filled to the brim with stuff pandering to Otakus is just showing hard denial... ^ This. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: I didn't denied, but stating those are the strong points of the anime is a flaw.Steins;Gate was damn entertaining and enjoyable, but denying that it's filled to the brim with stuff pandering to Otakus is just showing hard denial... |
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xJapaliicious said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: I didn't denied, but stating those are the strong points of the anime is a flaw.Steins;Gate was damn entertaining and enjoyable, but denying that it's filled to the brim with stuff pandering to Otakus is just showing hard denial... Maybe not, but I'd say it's a big part of why the series is so widely popular compared to other sci-fi anime that have less or no pandering to those audiences. In Japan AND in the west. And just by saying that they are not the strong points of the anime you don't deny that it could have been better without it, which is what the others were implying, I think. |
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Hoppy said: A genocide on otaku and moe would destroy anime itself, wipe out close to 40% of the current LN market and slightly affect the manga market but not destroy it (since Moe doesn't make a high percentage of manga). And that is supposed to be a bad thing? With the quality of most modern anime and LN: Go ahead, get rid of all the shit! i'd rather watch only three excellent anime than 40 bad ones per season and nobody except lonely virgins needs imouto/harem/ecchi LNs. Higashi_no_Kaze said: Maybe not, but I'd say it's a big part of why the series is so widely popular compared to other sci-fi anime that have less or no pandering to those audiences. In Japan AND in the west. And just by saying that they are not the strong points of the anime you don't deny that it could have been better without it, which is what the others were implying, I think. Exactly. |
NidhoeggrJan 31, 2014 9:48 AM
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Good point, I agree.xJapaliicious said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: I didn't denied, but stating those are the strong points of the anime is a flaw.Steins;Gate was damn entertaining and enjoyable, but denying that it's filled to the brim with stuff pandering to Otakus is just showing hard denial... Maybe not, but I'd say it's a big part of why the series is so widely popular compared to other sci-fi anime that have less or no pandering to those audiences. In Japan AND in the west. And just by saying that they are not the strong points of the anime you don't deny that it could have been better without it, which is what the others were implying, I think. |
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Battlechili1 said: I'll be the first to say that these two things are not inherently bad.Less anime about highschool and less anime about cute girls doing cute things please. The issue is a mix of unadventurous studios, a difficult market environment, and an increase in 'incestuous' and self-referential stories, coupled with a heavy reliance on adapting said more of said works. Essentially, a level of 'decay' in the industry that has become to a detrimental degree, set in its ways. |
Ckan said: Battlechili1 said: I'll be the first to say that these two things are not inherently bad.Less anime about highschool and less anime about cute girls doing cute things please. The issue is a mix of unadventurous studios, a difficult market environment, and an increase in 'incestuous' and self-referential stories, coupled with a heavy reliance on adapting said more of said works. Essentially, a level of 'decay' in the industry that has become to a detrimental degree, set in its ways. I think I big factor is that the average episode count has gone down since the transition to Late-Night anime and along with that came the development that a lot of anime are really only intended as advertisements/previews for the LN or manga or game they are adapting. It's pretty rare to see a 13 or even 26 episodes series being a really completed adaption of anything (Anime originals are a different story). That's what makes F/Z or SSY stand out (amongst other factors). And I also think it is connected to the complainsts of many people that certain genres are taking over and others are disappearing. For some rom-com, s-o-l or gag anime it just doesn't matter that much if the adaption is cut off after 13 episodes, but if that happens for more plot-orientated genres it results in a complete fail more often than not (think Zetman or Code:Breaker for example). |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Definitely. Between reliance on BD sales and the constant 1-2 cour adaptions of preexisting works, means there's just a huge increase in the appeal of adapting the popular, often unfinished and trope-heavy fan-appealing works.I think I big factor is that the average episode count has gone down since the transition to Late-Night anime and along with that came the development that a lot of anime are really only intended as advertisements/previews for the LN or manga or game they are adapting. It's pretty rare to see a 13 or even 26 episodes series being a really completed adaption of anything (Anime originals are a different story). That's what makes F/Z or SSY stand out (amongst other factors). And I also think it is connected to the complainsts of many people that certain genres are taking over and others are disappearing. For some rom-com, s-o-l or gag anime it just doesn't matter that much if the adaption is cut off after 13 episodes, but if that happens for more plot-orientated genres it results in a complete fail more often than not (think Zetman or Code:Breaker for example). On the other hand, I feel that Zetman was always a hard adaptation to make, given the nature of its 'mature' content. |
| well now i know why all of his anime movies suck ass this guy churns out the worst product like a yugo factory in soviet union. this guy is lucky that we otakus exist to buy his garbage and make him a millionaire (well, the lesser otakus do at least, ive only bought berserk) this guy is a traitor to the anime industry-otaku complex. guy talks about observing 3d people and then goes on to make bogus ass 2d films with pansy characters, and lame story lines for 5-year-old kids. what a joke |
| I'm still trying to understand how he connected iPads to gestures of masturbation. |
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yhunata said: I'm still trying to understand how he connected iPads to gestures of masturbation. Don't sweat the details, the important thing here is that he dislikes IPads and I do too so we're buddies now. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Ckan said: Battlechili1 said: I'll be the first to say that these two things are not inherently bad.Less anime about highschool and less anime about cute girls doing cute things please. The issue is a mix of unadventurous studios, a difficult market environment, and an increase in 'incestuous' and self-referential stories, coupled with a heavy reliance on adapting said more of said works. Essentially, a level of 'decay' in the industry that has become to a detrimental degree, set in its ways. I think I big factor is that the average episode count has gone down since the transition to Late-Night anime and along with that came the development that a lot of anime are really only intended as advertisements/previews for the LN or manga or game they are adapting. It's pretty rare to see a 13 or even 26 episodes series being a really completed adaption of anything (Anime originals are a different story). That's what makes F/Z or SSY stand out (amongst other factors). And I also think it is connected to the complainsts of many people that certain genres are taking over and others are disappearing. For some rom-com, s-o-l or gag anime it just doesn't matter that much if the adaption is cut off after 13 episodes, but if that happens for more plot-orientated genres it results in a complete fail more often than not (think Zetman or Code:Breaker for example). Fate/Zero was adapted from the novels. |
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yhunata said: I'm still trying to understand how he connected iPads to gestures of masturbation. if youve watched any of his movies, youd know that similia and metaphors arent his strong suit, as it all carries into his narrative devices |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: I used to hate Ipads until I got around to playing around with one.yhunata said: I'm still trying to understand how he connected iPads to gestures of masturbation. Don't sweat the details, the important thing here is that he dislikes IPads and I do too so we're buddies now. If you know what I mean. sherlock5545 said: He never said they weren't...Fate/Zero was adapted from the novels. |
sherlock5545 said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: Ckan said: Battlechili1 said: I'll be the first to say that these two things are not inherently bad.Less anime about highschool and less anime about cute girls doing cute things please. The issue is a mix of unadventurous studios, a difficult market environment, and an increase in 'incestuous' and self-referential stories, coupled with a heavy reliance on adapting said more of said works. Essentially, a level of 'decay' in the industry that has become to a detrimental degree, set in its ways. I think I big factor is that the average episode count has gone down since the transition to Late-Night anime and along with that came the development that a lot of anime are really only intended as advertisements/previews for the LN or manga or game they are adapting. It's pretty rare to see a 13 or even 26 episodes series being a really completed adaption of anything (Anime originals are a different story). That's what makes F/Z or SSY stand out (amongst other factors). And I also think it is connected to the complainsts of many people that certain genres are taking over and others are disappearing. For some rom-com, s-o-l or gag anime it just doesn't matter that much if the adaption is cut off after 13 episodes, but if that happens for more plot-orientated genres it results in a complete fail more often than not (think Zetman or Code:Breaker for example). Fate/Zero was adapted from the novels. I didn't mean to say it was original, I meant to say that it's a completed adaption. Novels usually get that courtesy, unlike LN or manga adaptions (SSY was also adapted from a novel). |
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| My bad, but the way you wrote that implied they were, as you transitioned from anime originals to Fate/Zero and Shinsekai. |
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| It's about getting cash. |
| Miyazaki is a hater lol... But in all honesty, it's understandable that you need to get to know people if you want to write. However I still like my animes and I don't really care about what he thinks. |
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sherlock5545 said: My bad, but the way you wrote that implied they were, as you transitioned from anime originals to Fate/Zero and Shinsekai. No Problem, I saw where the misunderstanding came from when I reread my post after your reply. |
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xJapaliicious said: I don't think that exactly need to be serious, but we had many great names this last 4 years: Steins;Gate Fate/Zero Psycho-Pass Madoka Magica Durarara!! Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Shinsekai Yori Hataraku Maou-sama! Ore no Seishun LoveCome wa Machigatteiru Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki Hyouka not forgetting that I don't remember everything I also like the fact we have many "bad animes", because we can discern the good ones after this fact. These are exactly the bad stuff. They only appear good to the nerds who have developed a tunnel vision towards anime and are missing the forest from the trees, so to speak. They are not good shows for normal people. Wolf Kids (and maybe FMAB in a way) is an exception, but it hardly stands up to the classic anime film. |
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