How do you feel about violence against male characters in anime by female characters for mostly minor reasons?
| I'm slightly with you on this but your going about this all wrong. Recently I saw a topic about the most overused gag that you are sick of and at the time I didn't have an answer for it but since you brought it up in here maybe that could be my answer. I saw someone bring up that it's a tsundere thing, every girl does it even the cute little moe ones. But in some animes they do this gag 3-4 times in one episode. It turns more into a sigh than a laugh by it's overusement. That's the real problem. |
HibbingtonMar 3, 2014 2:37 PM
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| Wow more insecure boys on MAL. 99 times out of 100 it's light hearted slapstick humour not systematic physical and mental abuse. Get over it. |
| i get wat ur saying but honestly u jst had to avoid these shows then. watching Familiar of Zero made me realize this. |
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kokoroanime said: Look, I understand it's supposed to be played for comedy and laughes. But that've been pissing me off. All a female does is to beat a male character for smaller stuffs. it's all "abuse is okay with it female on male" and anyone who watched it didn't do anything to them. Hey, I'll tell you what, If I was a male anime character and I saw her naked or bumped into hey by accident and attacked me. I will damn well attack her back, because I was NOT tolerate with that anymore and I don't care if I hit a girl. Attack her back can certainly solve that. I hope you don't practice this IRL. Much as I think pimps are the most despicable creatures on earth, I heard one utter the truest statement I've ever heard on dealing with women: if you have to resort to physicality, you've already admitted defeat. Second, if you're still adamant about it, I wish you luck in Court and as Bubba's newest bitch. |
Jackrabb1t said: It does get old after awhile. Like in the Familiar of Zero series. Grow a pair already, Saito, and stand up for yourself. Louise is what, 12? We're talking about the same girl that creates explosions when she tries to do magic, right? |
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| It's easy, if it bothers you, stop of watching that kind of anime. |
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| Tsunderes are cute. Anyway, I don't understand aggressive people like you. There's no point in hitting back unless the other person would keep attacking until you're injured. In fact I find it cowardly to do so. |
| If you generalize, you're wrong. |
| We're talking about the same girl that creates explosions when she tries to do magic, right? Nvortex said: Jackrabb1t said: It does get old after awhile. Like in the Familiar of Zero series. Grow a pair already, Saito, and stand up for yourself. Louise is what, 12? We're talking about the same girl that creates explosions when she tries to do magic, right? That's the one. Saito and Louise are both such obnoxious characters. The overall story and occasional moment of badassery make the anime tolerable though. |
insan3Spectre said: It always amuses me how pissed off some people get over this. Same here. Do you remember Red Keys's long winded rants, lol. Nice avatar btw, certainly better than the last one. |
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| This thread seems awfully familiar... |
| I think it's funny Finishing Baka Test and having Love Hina as a favorite manga... I find it hilarious lol. |
| One reaction I'd like to see would be that when the tsundere starts hitting the male character (in case they know each other well already, and the female isn't currently naked), he would simply hug her. Could possibly even render a tsundere speechless for a few seconds. If you're gonna "retaliate", at least have some style. Might be followed by an even worse beating, but well worth it. ;) |
| If you generalize, you're wrong. |
Jackrabb1t said: It does get old after awhile. Like in the Familiar of Zero series. Grow a pair already, Saito, and stand up for yourself. Louise is what, 12? http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/8223cc86c48d28df984f98f3c33c7f911257734305_full.jpg This part was pretty hilarious, though. |
Proust said: I heard one utter the truest statement I've ever heard on dealing with people: if you have to resort to physicality, you've already admitted defeat. Works that way too. I guess. |
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| It's one thing to put it in there as slapstick humor, which is what the writers do most of the time. Sad, but not worth complaining about despite my aggressive posts about it. If it keeps happening multiple times in the same episode for multiple episodes, it's probably time to drop the series because the writers were too lazy to come up with something else, unless you think that kind of stuff is funny. It's another to have characters in the show see it and cheer it on with a straight face. That's where shit goes down hard. If it happens even once in a glorified manner, that is totally not okay. |
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| Don't watch shitty anime = solution. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Violence where nobody gets hurt in the end is just funny. Male on male, Female on female, Male on female, Female on male, it doesn't matter. Male on female violence just tends to remind people of serious RL issues, that's why it's usually avoided. |
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Shiratori99 said: But the other way around is just as serious.Male on female violence just tends to remind people of serious RL issues, that's why it's usually avoided. |
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gamer2710 said: Shiratori99 said: But the other way around is just as serious.Male on female violence just tends to remind people of serious RL issues, that's why it's usually avoided. And happens way less often, hence it's irrelevant for the average viewer, since he's likely not even aware of it. General anime is for entertainment and doesn't have the standard of informing its viewers about fringe societal issues. |
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| The fact the authors base characters on an archetype just shows shitty writing. The same applies for all other 'dere' based characters. |
JD2411 said: The fact the authors base characters on an archetype just shows shitty writing. The same applies for all other 'dere' based characters. There can only be so many kinds of personalities. As long as there is sufficient character development I don't mind it. |
Ryugen said: Every dere character is the epitome of lazy writing as the author was too lazy to create a personality. Borrowing aspects from archetypes isn't bad or wrong at all but when the character is the definition of an archetype (Taiga, Yuno) it shows atrocious creativity on the author's part. This is reflected in the quality of the show (Toradora, Mirai Nikki)JD2411 said: The fact the authors base characters on an archetype just shows shitty writing. The same applies for all other 'dere' based characters. There can only be so many kinds of personalities. As long as there is sufficient character development I don't mind it. |
Ryugen said: JD2411 said: The fact the authors base characters on an archetype just shows shitty writing. The same applies for all other 'dere' based characters. There can only be so many kinds of personalities. As long as there is sufficient character development I don't mind it. The "dere" types only reflect a tiny part of the personality, there are still countless other variables. |
| If you generalize, you're wrong. |
JD2411 said: This is reflected in the quality of the show (Toradora, Mirai Nikki) Except Taiga was more than just a typical tsundere, who had a lot of complexity and development. |
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JD2411 said: The fact the authors base characters on an archetype just shows shitty writing. The same applies for all other 'dere' based characters. Just because a character starts out like this doesn't mean the writing is shit. Shiratori99 said: gamer2710 said: And happens way less often, hence it's irrelevant for the average viewer, since he's likely not even aware of it. General anime is for entertainment and doesn't have the standard of informing its viewers about fringe societal issues.Shiratori99 said: But the other way around is just as serious.Male on female violence just tends to remind people of serious RL issues, that's why it's usually avoided. That statement comes off as judgmental, as if anime writers think the viewers are dumb. Entertainment and shows about the issues of society aren't mutually exclusive. It's sad to think that "general anime" can be labeled as such. |
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sedmelluq said: The majority of characters are there only for the purpose of moving the plot forward. To say it's a minority is adsurdRyugen said: JD2411 said: The fact the authors base characters on an archetype just shows shitty writing. The same applies for all other 'dere' based characters. There can only be so many kinds of personalities. As long as there is sufficient character development I don't mind it. The "dere" types only reflect a tiny part of the personality, there are still countless other variables. Examples Mirai Nikki Toradora Shows that utilise dere characters do so only to further the plot meaning their dere attributes are the most important part of the show |
tsudecimo said: JD2411 said: This is reflected in the quality of the show (Toradora, Mirai Nikki) Except Taiga was more than just a typical tsundere, who had a lot of complexity and development. Not that much more though. I disagree with JD though, there are dere characters who don't fit in one of the usual categories. |
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kokoroanime said: Hey, I'll tell you what, If I was a male anime character and I saw her naked or bumped into hey by accident and attacked me. I will damn well attack her back, because I was NOT tolerate with that anymore and I don't care if I hit a girl. Attack her back can certainly solve that. I like the way you think. Whenever I see a woman beating a man because of accidental perversion, I always get pissed off, and I hope for the male character to call her out on her bullshit and beat her to a bloody pulp. Unfortunately, that never happens. |
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tsudecimo said: Toradora was a cliché ridden, otaku pandering mess that literally stole the MC of ClannadJD2411 said: This is reflected in the quality of the show (Toradora, Mirai Nikki) Except Taiga was more than just a typical tsundere, who had a lot of complexity and development. |
Ryugen said: Jackrabb1t said: It does get old after awhile. Like in the Familiar of Zero series. Grow a pair already, Saito, and stand up for yourself. Louise is what, 12? http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/8223cc86c48d28df984f98f3c33c7f911257734305_full.jpg This part was pretty hilarious, though. Yeah, there were a couple instances that were just... classic. :P |
JD2411 said: The majority of characters are there only for the purpose of moving the plot forward. To say it's a minority is adsurd Is this one of your troll moments? Toradora is a character driven anime, so no shit the characters move the plot forward. The show could have been done in a single episode if Taiga stopped being a tsundere bitch Yeah because real people just change in a very short period of time, while ignoring their problems, conflicts and the foundation of their personality. Not to mention that Toradora is a romance story, so no if Taiga had all her character development in the first episode, the anime wouldn't have been done in one episode. |
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JD2411 said: tsudecimo said: Toradora was a cliché ridden, otaku pandering mess that literally stole the MC of ClannadJD2411 said: This is reflected in the quality of the show (Toradora, Mirai Nikki) Except Taiga was more than just a typical tsundere, who had a lot of complexity and development. Yeah, you are trolling. I'm not gonna be one of those who keep replying to your obvious troll posts. |
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| It's slapstick humor but its shitty slapstick humor.. You see it so many times it does get on your nerves and how women react to the dumbest crap ever.. Tsunderes are mostly crap with the lone exception of Rin Tohsaka.. Taiga was average but then in the end of the series she still assaults Ryuuji for obviously no reason which makes me wonder why try to develop someone when they do the same shit.. That moment left a sour taste in my mouth regardless of it being humor(shit) or not.. Louise and Saito are both idiots.. Louise abused the shit out of him but I don't feel sorry for Saito because he pretty much can't keep his manhood tucked in around other women after he claims Louise is his love.. Reading the light novels calms me down seeing as how they're actually decent and their relationship isn't based on abuse.. And when other characters let it happen and egg it on its stupidity at its finest.. |
JD2411 said: Clearly we didn't watch the same show, then. It might have been laying on a drama a little too much for my taste, but nevertheless, the writing was solid. It was the characters who made the show (well except for a couple of minor ones) because they were actually well-developed as opposed to well-exposed. The show made real progress.Toradora was a cliché ridden, otaku pandering mess that literally stole the MC of Clannad Sorry guys, but if you wanted a popcorn post this time, you're out of luck. :/ |
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Lord_Sandwich said: kokoroanime said: Hey, I'll tell you what, If I was a male anime character and I saw her naked or bumped into hey by accident and attacked me. I will damn well attack her back, because I was NOT tolerate with that anymore and I don't care if I hit a girl. Attack her back can certainly solve that. I like the way you think. Whenever I see a woman beating a man because of accidental perversion, I always get pissed off, and I hope for the male character to call her out on her bullshit and beat her to a bloody pulp. Unfortunately, that never happens. It happens in the rape doujinshi. |
gamer2710 said: Look at my review on it for further informationJD2411 said: Clearly we didn't watch the same show, then. It might have been laying on a drama a little too much for my taste, but nevertheless, the writing was solid. It was the characters who made the show (well except for a couple of minor ones) because they were actually well-developed as opposed to well-exposed. The show made real progress.Toradora was a cliché ridden, otaku pandering mess that literally stole the MC of Clannad I understand that it can be difficult to accept the truth but alas |
tsudecimo said: Implying tsundere characters are realisticThe show could have been done in a single episode if Taiga stopped being a tsundere bitch Yeah because real people just change in a very short period of time, while ignoring their problems, conflicts and the foundation of their personality. Not to mention that Toradora is a romance story, so no if Taiga had all her character development in the first episode, the anime wouldn't have been done in one episode. |
gamer2710 said: That statement comes off as judgmental, as if anime writers think the viewers are dumb. Entertainment and shows about the issues of society aren't mutually exclusive. It's sad to think that "general anime" can be labeled as such. The writers care if their message gets across or not. When they think that people won't laugh, but get a bad feeling instead when showing men beating women in a scene that's supposed to be funny, ofc they won't use it. Being assaulted by women on the other hand is not a concern for the vast majority of men in the world including anime viewers. As I said, violence without consequences is funny in general, that's why it's used in comics and anime. Even serious anime use it to lighten up the mood. Nothing wrong with that, since it's comical and not meant to be taken serious. |
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insan3Spectre said: Dumb comedy is really nothing to complain about, but I have to think that there would be far more complaining if females were beaten for comedy.It always amuses me how pissed off some people get over this. |
| I wouldn't mind if creators would be more loose with their female characters. They all seem so stiff and overly untouchable. Most of them have zero sense of humour. |
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tsudecimo said: insan3Spectre said: It always amuses me how pissed off some people get over this. Same here. Do you remember Red Keys's long winded rants, lol. Nice avatar btw, certainly better than the last one. I think Red_Keys is one of the users I was probably thinking of. The one you linked me? It isn't showing up on my laptop. Just on my PS3. Lame. |
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| I agree. The amount of submissive men in anime is really annoying and ruins a lot of shows that could be great. |
Slyr3do0n said: insan3Spectre said: Dumb comedy is really nothing to complain about, but I have to think that there would be far more complaining if females were beaten for comedy.It always amuses me how pissed off some people get over this. I don't know if you've ever played Muv-Luv extra. But both the male and female leads hit each other for comedic effect, I wonder how people would react to that? |
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TheGrandSage23 said: Tsunderes are mostly crap with the lone exception of Rin Tohsaka.. This. Keilis said: I wouldn't mind if creators would be more loose with their female characters. They all seem so stiff and overly untouchable. Most of them have zero sense of humour. And this. |
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| There's also plenty of male on male and female on female slapstick violence in anime, but apparently people don't have a problem with that. |
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| I think they do this in anime because Japanese men are masochists and enjoy it. |
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