Meri said: SquadmemberRitsu said: See, you simplify things way too much.When a show fails, they usually try to fall back on US dollars. That method worked for Trigun but it's not an option anymore. And whose fault is that? It's our fault. And if anything I think there are more people in the west today that are buying anime/merchandise then they were in 1998 when Trigun came out. Just because you want it to be more mainstream and more profitable in the west doesn't excuse you to blame the current situation on western anime fans ALONE. There are multiple sociological economical, cultural and legal reasons why anime isn't as popular in USA as it is in Japan lets say. So why do I have to write an essay about why anime is failing now? Anime used to do pretty well over here. Remember Pokemon? DBZ? Sailor Moon? That was back when liscencing companies still had money. The fall of westernised anime is due to the fact that we aren't supporting the Western industry. If you want westernised anime, buy western anime DVDs. Now that I've dealt with that I will repeat what I said in ALL CAPS: I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WESTERNISED ANIME SO DO NOT RESPOND TO ME AS IF I'M THE ONE WHO WANTS IT. Is that clear enough? You're derailing this topic by discussing unrelated matters that don't even concern you. I'll continue this argument with you on my profile |
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So why do I have to write an essay about why anime is failing now? Because you don't understand what a recession is and for some reason are just singling anime out of this economic mess we are all in. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WESTERNISED ANIME SO DO NOT RESPOND TO ME AS IF I'M THE ONE WHO WANTS IT. Isn't that the only kind of anime that can really be speculated on as "failing"? Anime in Japan seems to be comfortable in it's niche market and price range. Some studios are doing well and some studios have done poorly but that's nothing new in business as you will always have market leaders and failures. |
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| Making it sound like you're the only one who supports the anime industry... |
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| I support the anime industry wholeheartedly and I probably would have spent enough money on merchandise to equate to buying a pretty well decent car. Unfortunately over the years my expenses have died on that matter as I have priorities now such as family and everyday life expenses. I still buy on off occasions when I can afford it and if it's something I could see myself watching on more than one occasion, but buying long series such as shonen is something I'll never do again(have complete collection of DBZ etc) as one thing I've learnt through the years is that things you buy will always depreciate. Plus as for OP, you're not the first to state such thread and I doubt you will be the last...the anime industry will always be around regardless of how much people think it's a dying industry. |
OriginANIME said: Making it sound like you're the only one who supports the anime industry... As much as that sounds like bullshit, it very much seems that way given these responses. Anime_Name said: So why do I have to write an essay about why anime is failing now? Because you don't understand what a recession is and for some reason are just singling anime out of this economic mess we are all in. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WESTERNISED ANIME SO DO NOT RESPOND TO ME AS IF I'M THE ONE WHO WANTS IT. Isn't that the only kind of anime that can really be speculated on as "failing"? Anime in Japan seems to be comfortable in it's niche market and price range. Some studios are doing well and some studios have done poorly but that's nothing new in business as you will always have market leaders and failures. If they stick to what they know and just pump out moe they'll be fine. But who wants that? Yes, there have been problems in the past but in the past we could deny it. Now it's impossible. There seems to be a lot less original ideas. For example: Popular Madhouse show in 2006: Death Note Popular Madhouse show in 2010: Highschool of the Dead Popular Gainax show from 2007: Gurren Lagann Popular Gainax show from 2012: Medaka Box I rest my case |
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| This is like saying "Why gamers/movie watchers not support the industry". Most people go by the rule with "Why buy when it's free on the internet". Thing is with things such as DVDs is that DVD/Blu-ray rips are more convenient, because there's no unskipeable adds/copyright in an MKV format. Other reason would be saving money, but yeah. Also during airing time releasing fansubs is not really illegal, because its airing on TV and its free to watch. Gamers often pirate games, because they don't want to deal with having to pull out the CD everytime, but occasionally they would buy a good game. |
Post-Josh said: Putting aside that watching anime for free is arguably supporting the industry, because we're selfish assholes. We feel entitled to something that we cannot pay for and something that is unnecessary, despite the fact we understand that's not how the world works. But until someone stops us by legal means, we will continue to be selfish assholes and steal as much anime as we feel like. "Because it's too expensive" Would you steal Nike running shoes, because you want them and they're too expensive? No. You can whine about prices all you want, and indeed I'll whine with you, but that doesn't change the fact that are not entitled to wants that you can not afford. It is not quite like that, using illegal download/streaming sites is infinitely easier than stealing shoes from an actual shop and the likelyhood of being caught for downloads is minimal in comparison to being caught stealing from a shop. Ah i apologize i misunderstood what you were saying, you do make a good point. truth is if i could get a channel package that aired the currently airing anime in japan in the UK as well i would get that package in the blink of an eye, but there are not enough westerners that are interested in anime and doing so wouldnt make enough money to keep it self afloat. The reason i don't buy anime is because of the blu rays/DVDs costing a lot for what they are and how long you can watch them for, i also do not want to buy an anime series i dont like and generally like to see if it is good before buying it but of course seeing it removes the need to buy it afterwards. I do plan on buying a few manga series and maybe some figures or gundam model kits though. People dont feel entitled to watching it for free/downloading it, its just that they can do it. i would watch a load less anime if i couldnt stream it on websites and such. also to my understanding streaming anime that isnt licensed over here doesnt effect the industry at all, except for the fact they may gain another fan. As long as downloading and streaming is around people are going to do it, end of. The main source of money for anime of course remains in japan, peoples actions in the west do not have as much of an effect on the industry as people think, its certainly not going to fail if it loses its western audience, of course success in the west would increase income but not having the market in the west isn't going to make them fail. whether anime stops being released in the west or not the fan subbers will pretty much always exist, such is the internet. |
jimbob1141Sep 19, 2012 3:49 PM
| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
| Because I'm an opportunistic kinda guy |
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If they stick to what they know and just pump out moe they'll be fine. But who wants that? The market? Popular Madhouse show in 2006: Death Note Popular Madhouse show in 2010: Highschool of the Dead Popular Gainax show from 2007: Gurren Lagann Popular Gainax show from 2012: Medaka Box I rest my case Sorry but the court of public opinion never ends. I think you are trying to say the former anime are better than the recent ones but...meh...cherrypicking...yeah. I've had better opinions stuck to the bottom of my shoe. |
Anime_NameSep 19, 2012 3:22 PM
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| @Post-Josh Maybe it is only here, but anime where imported because french editor bought (for very cheap price) exploitation right to anime studio. It was a really bankable. Because local editor can sell without paying any royalties for each diffusion/vhs sell. With this system anime studio get 0$ from western sell. And french editor keep buying a big amount of licences, because it's cheap, and sell pretty well. So maybe with less download, french editor would buy more series. But they literally buy everything already. Maybe it is exclusive to my country (why I used fr instead of west). Or maybe it don't work exactly like that, because I don't find any reliable information about that. But I agree with the free promoting material. A lot of french editor do that today, works pretty well for them. |
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jimbob1141 said: It is not quite like that, using illegal download/streaming sites is infinitely easier than stealing shoes from an actual shop and the likelyhood of being caught for downloads is minimal in comparison to being caught stealing from a shop. The only main difference is ease of theft, you're right. There is a difference in the magnitude of the damage, but we do not know what it is. Ukko said: You guys are also confusing yourselves with theft and piracy. While I agree piracy and theft are different, this is grossly misleading. Piracy does not do nothing, as this seems to suggest. Imagine if you could copy cars. Would it destroy the industry in mere days, or weeks, you bet it would (obviously it would have a larger effect, cause their are much higher costs). Hapax said: @Post-Josh Maybe it is only here, but anime where imported because french editor bought (for very cheap price) exploitation right to anime studio. It was a really bankable. Because local editor can sell without paying any royalties for each diffusion/vhs sell. With this system anime studio get 0$ from western sell. And french editor keep buying a big amount of licences, because it's cheap, and sell pretty well. If this is the case, then indeed the industry is in a bad position. Middle men making loads of money never makes money. I'm not really sure how licenses work in N.A, so I can't say. Everything I've purchased is licensed though, I've never imported something directly from Japan. Sounds like it would be troublesome. |
JoshSep 19, 2012 3:39 PM
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| I supported it the best I could I guess. Doesn't matter, I don't see the industry lasting another 15 years tbh. |
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| Because I spend my money on needs. Not wants. |
Post-Josh said: If this is the case, then indeed the industry is in a bad position. Middle men making loads of money never makes money. I'm not really sure how licenses work in N.A, so I can't say. Everything I've purchased is licensed though, I've never imported something directly from Japan. Sounds like it would be troublesome. I pray hope you're only talking about the "foreign" market and not the "domestic" one because I have trouble believing the anime industry in Japan would have been around for as long as it has if it were heavily dependent on "foreign" assets. I imported wasabi from Japan once. **** tasted like it's been on an airplane. |
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| Of course, that doesn't mean the industry isn't in trouble if they can't figure out the foreign market thing. It doesn't take much more than MAL to see how huge the English speaking market is. Also yuck, wasabi. -Atomsk- said: Because I spend my money on needs. Not wants. Is it okay to steal wants you can't afford? That's the question. We all prioritize. |
JoshSep 19, 2012 4:24 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| Because they don't cater to us filthy Gaijin. If studio's were to put up a site much similar to fansub's, where i would be able to pay to download and watch their currently airing stuff legally. Where i don't either wait months for sub's or pirate from sub groups, i would support the shit out of that. I don't like the idea of paying to stream where the studio's get fuck all, let alone streaming in the first place. I buy the occasional fig and BD's to support the stuff I like. Also I feel that this basically sum's up alot of the western anime industry or maybe I am just being to conceited about my own opinions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI |
| I have a preminum membership at Crunchyroll. I like to help out in anyway I can since I don't import the DVDs ( they are just to expensive and I don't feel like spending almost $70 for just 3 episodes). The only time I download fansubs is when one of the animes I want to watch isn't avaviable on Crunchyroll. That is the only time I don't feel bad because I know there is no other way of watching that anime. |
| In my case, I'm not yet college age, and I'm not allowed to have a credit card. We have no huluplus or netflix, so of course I cannot obtain a crunchyroll membership. I also can't purchase merchandise, as there isn't much available where I live, and it'd be more trouble than it's worth to get it. If I'm watching something and it's available on sites that are licensed to carry the anime, I absolutely watch it there. I guess, when I have the means to do so, I will support the industry. But for now? I can only do the best I can. |
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| What makes you think people who torrent don't support the industry and what makes you thing DVD sales is the only possible way to support the industry? |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| Humans were designed to take something for free if they easily can. We're just like that. |
| I Try To Support As Much As I Can, But I'm Just A Pre-Teen Lol And I Don't Get Money That Often And Like Hell My Mother's Gonna Pay For Me To Watch Some Anime, Sooo Yeah Lol |
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slayzzi said: Because they don't cater to us filthy Gaijin. If studio's were to put up a site much similar to fansub's, where i would be able to pay to download and watch their currently airing stuff legally. Where i don't either wait months for sub's or pirate from sub groups, i would support the shit out of that. This^ |
| I buy some anime when I can. But it's generally expensive. My favourite though is when people complain about an anime not selling well, when it's not like they bought it either. For example, my friend really liked Nichijou, but was upset it sold poorly in Japan and thus would not get a second season, so he blamed the Japanese for having bad taste. Yet it's not like he bought a single volume of the DVD/BD. |
| I'm starting to. Previously it was because 1: I was broke. Literally no money. I don't like asking my mom for money either. 2:Before i learned to buy online i had to scout places for Anime. Most of them didn't have something i liked, were shut down, or plain out $50+ box sets i could never afford or want to spend so much on a series i've never seen. Plus, certain series you just don't want to pay for. They just weren't good enough to fork over money for. Now, it's just that i have to prioritize. I recently bought my first laptop, so now that that's done with i plan to spend the rest of the money i earn on things i want, rather than need, since i don't really need anything right now. Anime + that Halloween store that just opened up are my first targets. I still have a long Anime wish list on Amazon to go through. It's like movies. If we didn't like it when we saw it, or if it does not look interesting, we won't buy the DVD. The difference with that is that movies have theaters where it is common for people to go and watch something new with friends, food, and have an experience, while most Anime for us western fans can only be watched online if we want to see the new stuff. To support the company that way you need a legal site, and not all of them stream what you wish to see. That's where fansubs come in. |
VyudaliSep 19, 2012 8:11 PM
| I'm not trying to say that torrenting is evil. As long as I have a justified reason, I'm happy to torrent any series. In fact, licensors base what shows they pick up by the popularity of the fansubs. And I do understand that I'm not the only one who supports the industry. I would hope that anyone in the right mind would act that way. I just hate it how people exploit the system to get what they want without paying a cent. In theory, it's actually a really great way to gain popularity. It's just unfortunate that people seem to think that it's an open invitation to get things for free |
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| Because the 4chan hivemind told me that streaming is evil and torrenting is good. |
SquadmemberRitsu said: Don't make the money argument. The money argument is very valid.If someone does not have money to buy a brand new licensed series then the anime company is not getting money from that individual period. Just like that anime company was never going to get money from you just because you download a out of print or unlicensed fansubbed anime. So however much in print licensed anime that person downloads or regardless of how much out print or fansubbed unlicensed anime you download is irrelevant to that anime company's profit margin. So you should get the notion out of your that every anime download equals a lost sale. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing. Chances are if you are buying cheap then that means it is used, sold at a closeout store,on sale or clearance which means the retailer is losing money. This does not support the industry,so it is just the same as doing nothing. |
Anime_Name said: Popular Madhouse show in 2006: Death Note Popular Madhouse show in 2010: Highschool of the Dead Popular Gainax show from 2007: Gurren Lagann Popular Gainax show from 2012: Medaka Box I rest my case Sorry but the court of public opinion never ends. I think you are trying to say the former anime are better than the recent ones but...meh...cherrypicking...yeah. I've had better opinions stuck to the bottom of my shoe. No I'm not trying to say that they're better. Death Note is a bold series that could have easily failed. The entire series is made up of people talking but Madhouse made it interesting enough to make it popular. It's popular because of the work they put in Highschool of the Dead is an exploitation anime that is filled with selling points. Guns, tits, zombies and more tits. They didn't have to go the extra mile for the fans because they knew that they would eat it up no matter what with traits like that Gurren Lagann, like most things from Gainax, is very ambitious. Whether you like their shows or not, you can't deny their ambition. Sure, they almost always put their passion ahead of what's logical but they are really ballsy. And it pays off. Look at Evangelion for God's Sake. I personally think it's a pretty average series overall (Rebuild Movies aside) but you can tell that the creators like what they made regardless of anyone else's opinion. Medaka Box, unlike most things from Gainax is boring. It's not ambitious at all. I didn't really like Panty and Stocking but that's because it was stupid. But it seemed like the sort of dumb show that Gainax would make. Medaka Box is filled with cliches. Hell, even the signature Gainax fan service is boring. I could tell pretty early on that Gainax didn't care. It's the only show I've watched of theirs that's bad for reasons other than it being overly ambitious Honestly, I don't even like the two shows I mentioned all that much. I used them as examples because I thought that an 'intellectual' such as yourself would be able to put two and two together. But here I am explaining things about shows I don't have any passion for. What's next? Do you want me to talk about why I think Kanamemo is better than Yuruyuri? |
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| I because I don't rewatch anything ever.. not movies, not TV series, not anime... except for porn... can never get enough of porn |
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jimbob1141 said: The reason i don't buy anime is because of the blu rays/DVDs costing a lot for what they are and how long you can watch them for Wait, you say that when you live in the UK, one of the cheapest places in the world for licensed anime DVDs? Is 10 hours of entertainment for £8* really too much for you to afford? Second hand you can pick up 4 episode single DVDs for as little as a pound or less. Sure, second hand purchases only help the industry in a very indirect, roundabout way but they still do, and it is still legal. If you insist on buying stuff new then there is plenty of stuff which can be bought for under a pound per episode, and you can build up a collection at around 50p per episode if you are prepared to wait and watch out for deals. I don't see why people aren't prepared to spend about £2 per hour on entertainment from anime, yet they'll happily spend £7 or £8 per hour for cinema tickets, £25 per hour for west end shows or £50 per hour for concerts (excluding travel costs). Sure going to those things is a bit more of an experience, but is it really worth that much more? Plus of course that's assuming you only watch it once. Even manga typically comes out at around the same price/hour as the cinema tickets. (*price I paid for eureka seven part 2) |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
ezikialrage said: SquadmemberRitsu said: Don't make the money argument. The money argument is very valid.If someone does not have money to buy a brand new licensed series then the anime company is not getting money from that individual period. Just like that anime company was never going to get money from you just because you download a out of print or unlicensed fansubbed anime. So however much in print licensed anime that person downloads or regardless of how much out print or fansubbed unlicensed anime you download is irrelevant to that anime company's profit margin. So you should get the notion out of your that every anime download equals a lost sale. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing. Chances are if you are buying cheap then that means it is used, sold at a closeout store,on sale or clearance which means the retailer is losing money. This does not support the industry,so it is just the same as doing nothing. That's not the money excuse I'm talking about. I'm talking about the people who whine about prices when they don't buy anything. Plus, I never buy used because I don't where you can buy used. That's the sort of argument you'd use for games but where can you buy anime used? |
SeibaaHomuSep 20, 2012 12:17 AM
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SquadmemberRitsu said: ezikialrage said: SquadmemberRitsu said: Don't make the money argument. The money argument is very valid.If someone does not have money to buy a brand new licensed series then the anime company is not getting money from that individual period. Just like that anime company was never going to get money from you just because you download a out of print or unlicensed fansubbed anime. So however much in print licensed anime that person downloads or regardless of how much out print or fansubbed unlicensed anime you download is irrelevant to that anime company's profit margin. So you should get the notion out of your that every anime download equals a lost sale. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing. Chances are if you are buying cheap then that means it is used, sold at a closeout store,on sale or clearance which means the retailer is losing money. This does not support the industry,so it is just the same as doing nothing. That's not the money excuse I'm talking about. I'm talking about the people who whine about prices when they don't buy anything. Plus, I never buy used because I don't where you can buy used. That's the sort of argument you'd use for games but where can you buy anime used? Online,pawnshops,used video stores, occasionally a thrift store, and movie rental places selling old stock. In my town there are stories called Vintage Stock and there is a used video and book store where you can sell or trade your anime,manga, regular books and movies for cash or store credit. |
ezikialrage said: SquadmemberRitsu said: ezikialrage said: SquadmemberRitsu said: Don't make the money argument. The money argument is very valid.If someone does not have money to buy a brand new licensed series then the anime company is not getting money from that individual period. Just like that anime company was never going to get money from you just because you download a out of print or unlicensed fansubbed anime. So however much in print licensed anime that person downloads or regardless of how much out print or fansubbed unlicensed anime you download is irrelevant to that anime company's profit margin. So you should get the notion out of your that every anime download equals a lost sale. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing. Chances are if you are buying cheap then that means it is used, sold at a closeout store,on sale or clearance which means the retailer is losing money. This does not support the industry,so it is just the same as doing nothing. That's not the money excuse I'm talking about. I'm talking about the people who whine about prices when they don't buy anything. Plus, I never buy used because I don't where you can buy used. That's the sort of argument you'd use for games but where can you buy anime used? Online,pawnshops,used video stores, occasionally a thrift store, and movie rental places selling old stock. In my town there are stories called Vintage Stock and there is a used video and book store where you can sell or trade your anime,manga, regular books and movies for cash or store credit. It's still not exactly a widespread method. It's kind of like torrenting but paying to get a hard copy. I'm pretty sure that no one even cares about hard copies of anything anymore. At least you won't have a download limit. Which reminds me, I've got to see if that pawn shop has Eva Platinum. It's out of print so there's no other way to get a hard copy |
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SquadmemberRitsu said: Anime_Name said: Popular Madhouse show in 2006: Death Note Popular Madhouse show in 2010: Highschool of the Dead Popular Gainax show from 2007: Gurren Lagann Popular Gainax show from 2012: Medaka Box I rest my case Sorry but the court of public opinion never ends. I think you are trying to say the former anime are better than the recent ones but...meh...cherrypicking...yeah. I've had better opinions stuck to the bottom of my shoe. No I'm not trying to say that they're better. Death Note is a bold series that could have easily failed. The entire series is made up of people talking but Madhouse made it interesting enough to make it popular. It's popular because of the work they put in Highschool of the Dead is an exploitation anime that is filled with selling points. Guns, tits, zombies and more tits. They didn't have to go the extra mile for the fans because they knew that they would eat it up no matter what with traits like that Gurren Lagann, like most things from Gainax, is very ambitious. Whether you like their shows or not, you can't deny their ambition. Sure, they almost always put their passion ahead of what's logical but they are really ballsy. And it pays off. Look at Evangelion for God's Sake. I personally think it's a pretty average series overall (Rebuild Movies aside) but you can tell that the creators like what they made regardless of anyone else's opinion. Medaka Box, unlike most things from Gainax is boring. It's not ambitious at all. I didn't really like Panty and Stocking but that's because it was stupid. But it seemed like the sort of dumb show that Gainax would make. Medaka Box is filled with cliches. Hell, even the signature Gainax fan service is boring. I could tell pretty early on that Gainax didn't care. It's the only show I've watched of theirs that's bad for reasons other than it being overly ambitious Honestly, I don't even like the two shows I mentioned all that much. I used them as examples because I thought that an 'intellectual' such as yourself would be able to put two and two together. But here I am explaining things about shows I don't have any passion for. What's next? Do you want me to talk about why I think Kanamemo is better than Yuruyuri? Uh,you make it seem like Gainax or Madhouse themselves made all those series.3 out of 4 of them are adaptations.Death Note,Medaka Box & Highschool of the Dead are those 3 series (MB & HotD aren't even complete adaptations).The only one made from scratch is Gurren Lagann. |
| My Devianart Oh & Space Brothers is still the best anime ever,in my opinion.Even when competing with Attack on Titan. |
| @Jeddy017 Yes. I am fully aware of that. What I'm trying to say is that they don't try to challenge themselves anymore. They seem to pick things that are easy to make some quick bucks off of. The animation looks pretty awful in Medaka Box. It doesn't have the same enthusiasm as most Gainax shows do. I'm kind of pissed of that the NisioIsin and Gainax combination didn't work. I've never read the manga, but when I hear names like that attached to a show I expect more than something made for a quick buck. With Death Note, Madhouse had to adapt a manga that was pretty much talking the entire time and make it interesting enough to bring in a large audience. They took a risk and it paid off big time Highschool of the Dead was a guaranteed seller. They could have adapted it poorly and it would have sold just as much. It already has a whole heap of selling points. Madhouse just needed to add in boob physics. Unlike Medaka Box, the animation is nice. But don't tell me that they didn't do it for the money. If you adapted a book about tits and zombies, people would flock like sheep to see the movie. Neither studios have lost their touch. But they have to find some way to fund their multi million dollar films. I will admit that despite the crappy shows, their movies are generally still good. But that's an entirely different topic |
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| I'm from Austria, there is practically nothing available, but I try to buy things from anime I like (For example I bought The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya, Angel Beats and the first season of K-On!). Besides the fact that there really isn't much I can choose from, buying anime is quite expensive and I'm just a 16-year old student who has to buy stuff like that with his own money. |
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shintai88 said: kuuderes_shadow said: jimbob1141 said: The reason i don't buy anime is because of the blu rays/DVDs costing a lot for what they are and how long you can watch them for Wait, you say that when you live in the UK, one of the cheapest places in the world for licensed anime DVDs? Is 10 hours of entertainment for £8* really too much for you to afford? Second hand you can pick up 4 episode single DVDs for as little as a pound or less. Sure, second hand purchases only help the industry in a very indirect, roundabout way but they still do, and it is still legal. If you insist on buying stuff new then there is plenty of stuff which can be bought for under a pound per episode, and you can build up a collection at around 50p per episode if you are prepared to wait and watch out for deals. I don't see why people aren't prepared to spend about £2 per hour on entertainment from anime, yet they'll happily spend £7 or £8 per hour for cinema tickets, £25 per hour for west end shows or £50 per hour for concerts (excluding travel costs). Sure going to those things is a bit more of an experience, but is it really worth that much more? Plus of course that's assuming you only watch it once. Even manga typically comes out at around the same price/hour as the cinema tickets. (*price I paid for eureka seven part 2) XD, I'm not even prepared to spend £3 on lunch let alone on the Cinema, its not that I don't see value it in, I just don't see the value of it being priced as such. Even when it comes to beer and stuff I rarely touch it, and even then I would buy the cheapest availible. as for Concerts and stuff, I don't go to any since I have no bands I like or am crazy about. I go to anime conventions, but I look for the free way in, which is to volunteer to get a free pass, and free goods. Also licensed Anime Dvd's aren't that cheap, considering how many you have to buy to complete a series. I know there are stuff thats on sale. But overall it doesn't meet my requirements due to its being dual audio in english and japanese, the sub qualities are just bad. Its not like I don't support the industry, Its just the industry needs to support it self first, and maybe create a better image for itself. Even though the fan bases are growing all over the world for anime and manga, politicians around the world see it as a bad influence due to Japan's own politicians view on it. I will support the works I like in my own way as long as I can get the stuff I want for a price I deem of value. Are you kidding me? You live in the UK for God Sake! The anime over there is dirt cheap. I'm stuck here paying $100 for pink boxes of moe. You have the opportunity to support your hobby in a cheap and effective way and you turn it down? Also you say you don't support the industry and then you talk about 'bad subtitle quality'. You can say a lot of things about western released but one thing they do not have is bad subtitles. The fansub for Madoka Magica that I watched literally created plotholes in the shoddy way that it translated some parts near the end. I used to hate the ending. I watch it on DVD and it instantly becomes one of my favourite endings ever. Same with the dub version. If you try to say that subtitle quality is your excuse, your just in denial. Plus just because it's dual language doesn't mean that the subtitle qualities are bad. Even so, most anime DVDs released now seem to be sub only. In Australia, we have Oreimo, Gosick, Higurashi Kai, Welcome to Irabu's Office, Black Rock Shooter, Usagi Drop, Tora Dora and a lot more. What's your excuse for not buying them? Either way, that has to be one of the most ignorant arguments I've ever heard But who are you gonna trust more? A group of weeaboos living in a basement with limited knowledge of the Japanese language? Or a group of professional translators who are qualified for their job, know the language fluently and are paid for their work? |
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kuuderes_shadow said: jimbob1141 said: The reason i don't buy anime is because of the blu rays/DVDs costing a lot for what they are and how long you can watch them for Wait, you say that when you live in the UK, one of the cheapest places in the world for licensed anime DVDs? Is 10 hours of entertainment for £8* really too much for you to afford? Second hand you can pick up 4 episode single DVDs for as little as a pound or less. Sure, second hand purchases only help the industry in a very indirect, roundabout way but they still do, and it is still legal. If you insist on buying stuff new then there is plenty of stuff which can be bought for under a pound per episode, and you can build up a collection at around 50p per episode if you are prepared to wait and watch out for deals. I don't see why people aren't prepared to spend about £2 per hour on entertainment from anime, yet they'll happily spend £7 or £8 per hour for cinema tickets, £25 per hour for west end shows or £50 per hour for concerts (excluding travel costs). Sure going to those things is a bit more of an experience, but is it really worth that much more? Plus of course that's assuming you only watch it once. Even manga typically comes out at around the same price/hour as the cinema tickets. (*price I paid for eureka seven part 2) Full metal alchemist brotherhood costs around £60 or so to buy on DVD and that is the only thing i have ever really seen in a shop that i know i like or want to watch. I wouldnt say thats comparable to a concert, definitely not for me anyway, my love of music far surpasses my interest in anime :D and as you say it is more of an experience. cinema i generally don't like paying for and only go when theres a fair few friends going or if there is a film i really want to see and im not sure if spending £25 an hour for west end shows was aimed directly at me or not but i would absolutely not spend that much on west end shows, ive never bought a west end show because all i liked i have watched on TV (just how anime is in japan) and £25 for an hour is very expensive, something being expensive doesnt change because its anime or if its western expensive is expensive. I have to admit other shows i have seen in the stores arent all that expensive, but they just dont have things that i would want to watch. Theyre not particularly expensive but not particularly cheap either, of course it depends on what it is. And i just wanna say concerts aren't £50 per hour they are far longer than that and most tickets if the band isnt really big or playing a big venue can be picked up for £20-£30 I only discovered anime because it was free, i would never have gone into a shop and seen death note and bought it (was the first thing i watched :P) the people who don't support are most likely people who wouldn't pay for it if they had to, so in that aspect they are not losing sales, just gaining fans. |
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SquadmemberRitsu said: In Australia, we have Oreimo, Gosick, Higurashi Kai, Welcome to Irabu's Office, Black Rock Shooter, Usagi Drop, Tora Dora and a lot more. What's your excuse for not buying them? The selection in the UK is not very large at all. In fact, none of those are available on DVD in the UK. You can watch Gosick and Usagi Drop legally online here, though. I would probably spend more money on anime if more stuff that I really like got released here. I pay for a CR subscription, but the only anime I've ever bought is The Tatami Galaxy, because that's the only series that I really love that's been released here. |
im not sure if spending £25 an hour for west end shows was aimed directly at me or not but i would absolutely not spend that much on west end shows I was just throwing out examples. Not saying that you actually do any of them. But still, in this country watching anime is a pretty cheap hobby in terms of cost/time spent. On the flipside, as TotalPotato said, we don't get anywhere near as much stuff licensed as other parts of the world, largely BECAUSE it is so cheap. |
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ZetaZaku said: But you know, sometimes the subtitles are closer to the dub track than the original. At least I encountered some bad official subs. That never happens. Besides, Dubs today are much more faithful anyway. They're just an altered version of the translated script to match the lip flaps. Dubtitles are more or less unheard of in this day and age anyway. The translated versions of Ghibli Movies make a lot of changes but they've always had proper subtitles ever since there was some controversy over Princess Mononoke using dubtitles. I once put on subtitles while watching a DBZ DVD when I was younger and I was confused why there were swear words in the subtitles. I watch dubs and subs so I can tell when that every single DVD I've bought with a dual language feature has subtitles that have a separate translation from the dub. Using Madoka Magica as an example again, there was a humourous change in the dub script which made one of the characters sound homophobic. I watched it subbed and she didn't come off as homophobic at all. |
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TotalPotato said: SquadmemberRitsu said: In Australia, we have Oreimo, Gosick, Higurashi Kai, Welcome to Irabu's Office, Black Rock Shooter, Usagi Drop, Tora Dora and a lot more. What's your excuse for not buying them? The selection in the UK is not very large at all. In fact, none of those are available on DVD in the UK. You can watch Gosick and Usagi Drop legally online here, though. I would probably spend more money on anime if more stuff that I really like got released here. I pay for a CR subscription, but the only anime I've ever bought is The Tatami Galaxy, because that's the only series that I really love that's been released here. I am very much aware of your limited selection. I was just trying to make a point. You guys do get pretty cheap anime compared to us. Even if the selection is bad. Although I hear that you guys don't even have DBZ. Meanwhile in Australia, there's too much DBZ crap being released. |
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SquadmemberRitsu said: Although I hear that you guys don't even have DBZ. Meanwhile in Australia, there's too much DBZ crap being released. First part of DBZ came out in July, so yes we do have that now. |
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