Why is everyone gay in BL/GL?
Reply to -YaoiBoy-
I don't think it's anything complicated :p some stories focus on one couple and others focus on multiple ones. Some stories have more straight characters and/or couples and some less (or none). Some stories are more on a serious side and romance is often secondary, while others are just outright silly and full of smut. Just like with any other media. But I admit that such a thought crossed my mind a couple of times. I was like "it feels so strange that all of them just happen to be gay". Not that I mind it, or that it's impossible (multiple people already pointed out why it's entirely possible and even realistic), but I guess in certain stories I wanted a more realistic justification in particular :) because not all BL is a slice of life. If it's some grand fantasy story or sci-fi with big worlds, you can't help but wonder "Why is every guy I meet gay? Why am I so lucky?" :p Although, I guess it mostly concerns love interests in visual novels, so it also makes sense. I don't know, I guess it all comes down to the suspension of disbelief, and you just roll with it. Overall, I don't really care and fine with whatever, as long as I'm able to like it.
There is definitely profound and deep storytelling to be found, but it's mostly in visual novels and manga :) not that they lack gay action either lol but still :p and sometimes you're 20+ hours in and suddenly the first sex scene happens, and you're like "oh...right, I'm playing a BL game" lol
I'm pretty sure Sakura and Shaoran are still my favorite couple, so I guess that assumption works in practice even for people who aren't directly involved in straight relationships :p
Always a good thing for smutty manga :p
It most likely has something to do with the need for target audience (straight females) to have the "official" ability to self-insert if they want :) I don't feel like it happens "usually", at least from my experience, but it's not like I always pay attention to someone declaring they're gay lol it probably heavily depends on a number of factors: the story itself (simple slice of life or something grander), the author (male or female, personal preferences), the year of publication (older vs newer) etc.
Piromysl said:
People do not watch those things for profound and deep storytelling, but in order to see gay action.
People do not watch those things for profound and deep storytelling, but in order to see gay action.
There is definitely profound and deep storytelling to be found, but it's mostly in visual novels and manga :) not that they lack gay action either lol but still :p and sometimes you're 20+ hours in and suddenly the first sex scene happens, and you're like "oh...right, I'm playing a BL game" lol
Lucifrost said:
@SuperAdventure
I believe the assumption on OP's part is that BL fans enjoy both straight and gay relationships. It's not an unthinkable idea, given that the majority enjoy straight relationships.
@SuperAdventure
I believe the assumption on OP's part is that BL fans enjoy both straight and gay relationships. It's not an unthinkable idea, given that the majority enjoy straight relationships.
I'm pretty sure Sakura and Shaoran are still my favorite couple, so I guess that assumption works in practice even for people who aren't directly involved in straight relationships :p
Old_School_Akira said:
Because we want to see multiple gays f*ck. It’s more fun that way.
Because we want to see multiple gays f*ck. It’s more fun that way.
Always a good thing for smutty manga :p
traed said:
They usually aren't explicitly stated as homosexual. While I havent seen a lot of BL it seems like a lot of it instead of implying gay implies a fluid sexuality based on romantic feelings or because one character looks enough like a girl.
They usually aren't explicitly stated as homosexual. While I havent seen a lot of BL it seems like a lot of it instead of implying gay implies a fluid sexuality based on romantic feelings or because one character looks enough like a girl.
It most likely has something to do with the need for target audience (straight females) to have the "official" ability to self-insert if they want :) I don't feel like it happens "usually", at least from my experience, but it's not like I always pay attention to someone declaring they're gay lol it probably heavily depends on a number of factors: the story itself (simple slice of life or something grander), the author (male or female, personal preferences), the year of publication (older vs newer) etc.
-YaoiBoy- said: If it's some grand fantasy story or sci-fi with big worlds, you can't help but wonder "Why is every guy I meet gay? Why am I so lucky?" :p I'd find that easier to believe in a fantasy. After thinking about it, though, I probably wouldn't enjoy a setting with just 1 sex. |
Lucifrost4 hours ago
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traed said: Not sure who really are the target audience and I question the notion of target audiences. Usually authors are just writing for themselves id think. When I looked into BL and yuri audiences it seems close to even between the sexes. Though i found better documentation for yuri than I could for BL. Many mangaka are anonymous where you dont really have confirmation of their gender and especially not their sexuality. Yeah, but in certain works one of the guys can be like "I'm gay for this other guy, so that you can watch us do naughty things, but I still like girls! It's fine, reader, we didn't forget about you! You can self-insert!" lol Making a couple of those weird remarks as if "apologizing" for being gay to the audience, without actually calling himself bisexual :) it's strange. As if saying "Sorry for being gay for this one guy, dear girl who reads this story, but it's for your enjoyment, and I can still be with you! So, feel free to self-insert" :p And it's not like the target audience that the author has in mind can't be different from the actual target audience in practice :) I can still enjoy any BL work that I'm able to like, regardless of who the author is, even if I'm not "supposed" to enjoy it. I guess it's the same for shoujo and similar genres. And I do want to believe that most authors write for themselves, but if they still need to fit into a certain mold to sell their works in certain places...I don't know :) Lucifrost said: I'd find that easier to believe in a fantasy. After thinking about it, though, I probably wouldn't enjoy a setting with just 1 sex. I guess :) it's fantasy after all. I haven't encountered a setting with just 1 sex yet, so it's hard to say. Considering that I usually like having female characters in BL works (special shoutout to Yuri from Camp Buddy!), while a lot of people often complain about it...I don't know. Depends on what they'd do with it, I guess :) I mean, if we're talking about BL specifically and it's an erotica-focused work with only guys existing in that setting/world...can I really say no to that? :p |
| "Why does a Show focusing on gay love tries to feature as much gay characters as possible? Well, that's a good question. I think you're right. BL/GL are actually just isekai in disguise.....whatever that means...xD |
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-YaoiBoy- said: Yeah, but in certain works one of the guys can be like "I'm gay for this other guy, so that you can watch us do naughty things, but I still like girls! It's fine, reader, we didn't forget about you! You can self-insert!" lol Making a couple of those weird remarks as if "apologizing" for being gay to the audience, without actually calling himself bisexual :) it's strange. As if saying "Sorry for being gay for this one guy, dear girl who reads this story, but it's for your enjoyment, and I can still be with you! So, feel free to self-insert" :p And it's not like the target audience that the author has in mind can't be different from the actual target audience in practice :) I can still enjoy any BL work that I'm able to like, regardless of who the author is, even if I'm not "supposed" to enjoy it. I guess it's the same for shoujo and similar genres. And I do want to believe that most authors write for themselves, but if they still need to fit into a certain mold to sell their works in certain places...I don't know :) Yes, editors have a tendency to try to push certain things based on what fans want, themselves included lol Though it varies depending who their editor is if they even have one. |
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| Oh this is bringing up memories. Many years ago, this exact same topic was sparked in a long time heated battle over LGBTQ values across Webtoon. Since at this time, it was outrageous and bizarre to release titles featuring same sex characters. Personally I have no problem with it, it's always cool to explore new segments of this industry I have read a few of these titles (and one show) and I just see the majority cast of gay characters as appeal to readers/watchers. There is a sort of Business model, if a reader gets into a series with a cast of "gay" characters, it makes them feel more comfortable, secure, safe, etc. Where on the other hand, if it was only a single couple being gay, it would make the comic feel out of place. On a deeper note, the gay community was and is still seen "profitable," so why not create comics that cater more to them? Gay people Pay |
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