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May 6, 2021 2:57 AM

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Hrybami said:
It's one of the most annoying thing in this forum. It's about to push me to set my list private.
Probably too late, I think we all know you as the guy who hates HxH by now. lol
If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.
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Honestly one of the most stupid things I have seen. Personally I watch anything but i have seen people being shamed for only watching certain things and they have just started, this has put them off of anime forever. Honestly, just let people enjoy what they want to enjoy
May 6, 2021 3:34 AM

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Everyone is different. So expects someone will not be same as you.
May 6, 2021 4:10 AM

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To give people pause, as in they see something from you intended to make them think twice. Talking about your mean score, as you've given every anime you've completed a 10/10. I'm curious as to why.
Exactly like that xD
I feel that you cannot fully objectvely compare one anime to another since they're both so different. Coupled with how I like anime that much, I can't really decide what's bad when I FINALLY WATCH IT xD
Just because anime are different doesn't mean rating them are unfair. Ratings aren't meant to be "fully objective" either, you can objectively measure things to a specific goal sure, but whether or not that goal is relevant to anybody outside of yourself is up to you.

It's a bit weird saying you can't decide what's bad so instead you put everything as a masterpiece on equal footing with each other, that they're all the same despite acknowledging that "they're both so different". That you put your most disliked equal to your most loved.


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Lunilah said:
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Exactly like that xD
I feel that you cannot fully objectvely compare one anime to another since they're both so different. Coupled with how I like anime that much, I can't really decide what's bad when I FINALLY WATCH IT xD
Just because anime are different doesn't mean rating them are unfair. Ratings aren't meant to be "fully objective" either, you can objectively measure things to a specific goal sure, but whether or not that goal is relevant to anybody outside of yourself is up to you.

It's a bit weird saying you can't decide what's bad so instead you put everything as a masterpiece on equal footing with each other, that they're all the same despite acknowledging that "they're both so different". That you put your most disliked equal to your most loved.


Well... yeah xD
All that boils down is that yeah, it's kinda weird. I can't find myself disliking any anime no matter what. Like yes, is it on my psychology or something?

I don't know xD
May 6, 2021 6:04 AM

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It's just good for the meme, if people being unironic about it, it's just brainrot.

It's basically just like the "to be fair you have to have a very high IQ to understand" copypasta years ago.

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May 6, 2021 6:06 AM

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I had a guy leave comments on my profile criticizing my "trash tastes". I find it hilarious because telling me I have bad taste in anime, in your opinion, is not an argument.

Using it ironically is fine. This guy was not though. He was very upset that I gave WEP a 4.
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May 6, 2021 6:21 AM

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Honestly if the extent of your taste is "This show is trash and so am I" or "I like this show because it has cute girls" you probably deserve it. I wish anime fans weren't so often intellectually lazy and willing to articulate the things that make up their preferences.
May 6, 2021 6:41 AM

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It matters who you doing it to and if your giving your honest opinion. However, most people just do it for criticism and to be harsh.
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May 6, 2021 6:54 AM

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The way this is phrased, do you really expect people to say “taste shaming is an important part of the community,” or something? Nobody supports taste shaming overtly (unless it’s the animation of Berserk 2016, I will shame the hell out of anyone who thought that was good animation)
May 6, 2021 7:10 AM

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Taste-shaming is fine, and people who get shamed shouldn't be offended. There's a fine line between "your taste is shit" and "you shithole you like this piece of trash, what a dumbass". Ironically it's the people who deride you because you're 'toxic' often end up falling under the second category, ultimately piously insulting you in turn.

Taste-judge is fine, I don't have a problem with it. But admittedly I stop taste-judging for some time now, because I really don't see the point in doing so.
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May 6, 2021 7:29 AM
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Yeah and also Jojo is pretty good but don't just go around and tell people to watch it. If you really want to get your friend into Jojo, just make him gay first, so that the process of Jojofication will go smoothly

I reject my sexuality Jojo. That's a pretty shitty jojo's reference but oh well.

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May 6, 2021 7:51 AM

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I think taste shaming is bad. But in the end it doesn't matter what I think, taste shaming is gone happen nonetheless. Internet anonymity is a breeding ground for taste shaming. All I can do is take precautions, that all.
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May 6, 2021 9:00 AM

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Boys think their taste is superior

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May 6, 2021 9:14 AM
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Everyone thinks their taste is the best, that's just a part of human nature.
Also, people judge others for their taste, simply because if something is popular, it is far more likely that other animes would follow said anime's footsteps and would just copy the exact same gimmick. If most animes feel the same, and certain people dislike said gimmicks, they'd begin judging others for their tastes, as obviously, they are one of the reasons as to why said "bad" animes keep on popping up instead of something new.
May 6, 2021 9:33 AM

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It's dumb. I don't think people should have their taste in anime used against them in a negative way


When someone is claiming that Naruto is the best anime in the world, they should DEFINITELY have their taste used against them in a negative way. And they should be mocked.
May 6, 2021 10:28 AM

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DmonHiro said:
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It's dumb. I don't think people should have their taste in anime used against them in a negative way


When someone is claiming that Naruto is the best anime in the world, they should DEFINITELY have their taste used against them in a negative way. And they should be mocked.
Or you could you know act like an adult and tell them some examples of what you find to be better anime or just ignore them.... or you can just be you and act like a 12 year old. "they should DEFINITELY have their taste used against them in a negative way. And they should be mocked." lmao this is the funniest thing I read today! I hope you were being sarcastic.
May 6, 2021 10:34 AM
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Discussions like that are funny if done ironically or as a joke (like deliberately asking people to roast your taste in anime), not if taken seriously. It's not like other people's taste in anime affects me.
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May 6, 2021 10:40 AM

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Too many people with superiorty complex.
May 6, 2021 10:42 AM

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i think its fine to call someone's taste bad, that would be your opinion on their taste.
with that said it probably won't changed anything so it is kind of useless i guess.
May 6, 2021 11:20 AM

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It should be banned on MAL and other otaku spaces. If you think anyone in the anime or broader otaku community deserves to be shamed for what anime/otaku content they enjoy, then you can hardly be called a fan and clearly don't belong within the culture. It amazes me people don't take it more seriously. Unfortunately I think many of the types that propagate these toxic judgmental, narrow-minded attitudes worm their way in to positions of power like the snakes they are.
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May 6, 2021 11:30 AM

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I proudly display my love for Noragami and Erased, which are usually considered subpar, and no amount of taste-shaming is going to make me change how much I like those shows. In the same way that I hate Toradora, but completely understand why some people love it. And that's fine by me.

So I'd say I'm almost immune to taste-shaming. It might sting for a bit, but I won't pretend to not like something that I like or vice-versa just to look "cooler". It would be pretty boring if everybody liked the same things.
May 6, 2021 11:55 AM
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I think we as a community are paying too much attention to the 'fire' that is taste-shaming and not enough to what's fueling it. And that is 'reviewers' both on YT and most egregiously, here on MAL. There are FAR too many elitist, self-important, pompous asses giving voice to this horrible shaming practice.

Someone watches an anime and for reasons they can't articulate, didn't like it. They read/watch one of these elitist reviews (that are in themselves, poorly written in so much as they lack the vocabulary of film making) and it gives that person an easy way to copy/paste an argument against that anime that is solely based on just shaming it or an entire sub-genre (i.e., shounen). To be fair, that's a lot easier than learning film-making but it does lead to a whole lot of taste-shaming that wouldn't otherwise exist.

There's a particular YT-based, Anime reviewing Man who has done more to perpetuate taste shaming than any other one person and it's a damn shame he isn't using his voice for more constructive discussion. That's not to lessen the effect certain ubiquitous, serial reviewers here have on spreading the shaming phenomenon.

I went to school for three years to learn film-making and I can say without hyperbole that 90% of the reviews you read and watch are useless. Learning what objectively makes for good story-telling, editing, cinematography, etc., and how to properly articulate it, takes a lot of work and study, and even then it's not easy to do.

All this isn't to say that all reviews and reviewers are terrible, it's just that any that pretend to be anything but the opinion of an amateur should be taken as highly suspect. They're easy to spot; they all start with a lot of flowery exposition and pseudo-story telling used to mask their lack of actual knowledge and that this is just an ameture's opinion. They also make liberal use of the word 'sucks' and never back up their opinion with examples. And of course, there's the inevitable shaming.

Bottom line, understand that almost all the reviews you read/watch are pretty much useless when it comes to actually saying how technically 'good' or 'bad' a particular series/movie is (and even then something can be technically good but just not jibe with you). The only sure way to know if you're going to like something is to watch it for yourself! Stop using poorly made reviews to give voice to your opinion especially if the basis of those reviews are just thinly veiled attempts to shame those who would like something the reviewer deems 'lesser'.

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Arcanumus said:
I think we as a community are paying too much attention to the 'fire' that is taste-shaming and not enough to what's fueling it. And that is 'reviewers' both on YT and most egregiously, here on MAL. There are FAR too many elitist, self-important, pompous asses giving voice to this horrible shaming practice.

Someone watches an anime and for reasons they can't articulate, didn't like it. They read/watch one of these elitist reviews (that are in themselves, poorly written in so much as they lack the vocabulary of film making) and it gives that person an easy way to copy/paste an argument against that anime that is solely based on just shaming it or an entire sub-genre (i.e., shounen). To be fair, that's a lot easier than learning film-making but it does lead to a whole lot of taste-shaming that wouldn't otherwise exist.

There's a particular YT-based, Anime reviewing Man who has done more to perpetuate taste shaming than any other one person and it's a damn shame he isn't using his voice for more constructive discussion. That's not to lessen the effect certain ubiquitous, serial reviewers here have on spreading the shaming phenomenon.

I went to school for three years to learn film-making and I can say without hyperbole that 90% of the reviews you read and watch are useless. Learning what objectively makes for good story-telling, editing, cinematography, etc., and how to properly articulate it, takes a lot of work and study, and even then it's not easy to do.

All this isn't to say that all reviews and reviewers are terrible, it's just that any that pretend to be anything but the opinion of an amateur should be taken as highly suspect. They're easy to spot; they all start with a lot of flowery exposition and pseudo-story telling used to mask their lack of actual knowledge and that this is just an ameture's opinion. They also make liberal use of the word 'sucks' and never back up their opinion with examples. And of course, there's the inevitable shaming.

Bottom line, understand that almost all the reviews you read/watch are pretty much useless when it comes to actually saying how technically 'good' or 'bad' a particular series/movie is (and even then something can be technically good but just not jibe with you). The only sure way to know if you're going to like something is to watch it for yourself! Stop using poorly made reviews to give voice to your opinion especially if the basis of those reviews are just thinly veiled attempts to shame those who would like something the reviewer deems 'lesser'.



Disagree. Technical excellence comes in many forms, and many of these are easily noticeable. Sakuga is one of the best examples of this.

Go, right now, and read the reviews on Spriggan on MAL. Most of them will mention that the animation quality in Spriggan is really good but that the story sucks.

The opinion that Spriggan had good animation but poor story is as objectively valid, in my opinion, as any opinion could be on any anime, or even any movie in general.

Reviews are useful because most reviewers only talk about what they know about. Most people can notice good animation when they see it, so I trust reviewers when they say that an anime has high production values. Likewise, most people can recognize a bad story (like Spriggan's) when they see one, so I trust them on that too.

Nobody would ever bother reading reviews if they were completely devoid of useful information. People read reviews because they give useful information.
May 6, 2021 12:41 PM
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My taste is better than everyone, so everyone has bad taste for me.
Lol says the guy who considers ReZero the best anime. Peak humor.
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May 6, 2021 12:52 PM

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cchigu said:
Okeanix said:
My taste is better than everyone, so everyone has bad taste for me.
Lol says the guy who considers ReZero the best anime. Peak humor.

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Also yes Re:Zero is the best anime.
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May 6, 2021 1:18 PM

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It just depend what the specific people is trying to say. If they claim they just casually enjoy Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen, or just the battle shounen cliche childish tropes, but know they aren't anything special, taste-shaming that person is just dumb. However, what happens most of the times in here are that not only those people really think those anime are better than others with far superior storytelling, they are trying to impose their taste as the "objective truth". The amount of fanboys that I've seen not being self-aware of the blatant flaws of those show are shocking. And when we see them winning AOTY, you know something is wrong with those people and the community in general.
May 6, 2021 1:22 PM

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To be honest these days everyone is stereotyping the people based on what they are watching and even when they dont know the anime if the fanbase is bad they dont like it. Everyone has their own taste we shouldnt argument about which one is the best or not.
May 6, 2021 3:29 PM
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why argue about taste when everything about the anime community is subjective?
May 6, 2021 3:31 PM
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whatever don't listen to other people they're too insecure about themselves, if you like it you like it and if it's not constructive just don't listen
May 6, 2021 6:21 PM

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I hate when I see someone sharing their "Top 10" and the comment section is full of "Not valid", "trash taste", etc...

I understand some stuff like when an old man be watching anime sexualizing loli, or someone watching stuff glorifying rape or shit like that. That's weird and I wouldn't give a shit if people talking trash about u.
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May 6, 2021 6:24 PM

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listen if you like anime at all you're already a loser. what is the point of taste-shaming people if you're already a loser?? let people enjoy their isekai crap man it isn't bothering you
May 6, 2021 6:43 PM
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It's toxic asf i really hate anime elitists elitists are cringe and you should like anime that you really like not anime they told you to like
May 6, 2021 8:49 PM
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I don't really like fans who mock people and call them "triggered" when they get talk about representation or sexual violence in anime, and then turn around and cry about being "taste shamed" when someone calls them an incel or misogynist because of the shows they watch. Who's triggered now?

Funnily enough, people absolutely do TOTALLY define themselves by the shows they watch, and wear their anime-fan-identity as a badge of honor, but then act like no one knows the first thing about them at the first sign of mockery over it. People even call themselves shounentards, just like fujoshi. Well, it was you in the first place who exposed that your identity is an absolute vacuum that you filled in with the shit you buy and watch for lack of any other important interests and personality traits. If you define yourself that way, and make a public display of it, you live with it. Like if you're going to fill your signature and profile with pictures of basically naked anime girls, what kind of world do you think we live in where you're entitled to nothing but praise and compliments for it? Get real. This isn't an appendage you were born with. This isn't some double standard. You choose what shit to watch. You choose what shit to plaster all over your profile and what shit to say in your posts and reviews. You can be criticized for it.

Basically, if you feel like you're being "taste shamed," maybe you should ask yourself why you care so much if someone "shames" your taste in the first place. Is it really such a big deal to be made fun of over your anime taste that we have to tack on a term like "shaming?" Being called a shounentard is not really comparable to being called, say, a slut. It's just your hobby... or isn't it?

On the other hand, ya, I agree, just insulting someone is not a substitute for thoughtful criticism or argument, if that's the register of the conversation; and it's ridiculous to, the minute someone starts arguing with you on MAL, go to their profile, see that they liked MHA or something, and call them a shounentard off rip because of one stupid meaningless detail like that.
May 6, 2021 8:58 PM

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Everyone is different and sometimes I shame people but it’s 100 percent jokes. I didn’t know people actually bully people for the show they watch.
May 6, 2021 10:43 PM

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The way I see it, any huge exposure to anime is good for anime as a whole. Even though I don't like Demon Slayer that much, I still am happy that it has accomplished so much and hope it shows what anime can become.
May 6, 2021 11:20 PM
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Anime is entertainment so as long you find enjoyment in it, other people's opinions don't have to matter.
May 6, 2021 11:49 PM
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It's cowardly to run from a fight but if a dude attacks you for your taste there's just no point in arguing man. If you know you know, but there's this dude that REALLY loves this CERTAIN anime and if you gave certain anime anything less than a 10/10, he's going to flame you hard for it. Still can't tell if he's trolling or not. Please just be trolling.

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May 7, 2021 1:10 AM
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"arguments"

very, very illogical and unsound arguments. Every time I go on this forum and see it, a single braincell occupies a restroom for a couple of minutes and just shits everywhere.

Drinking game, guys. Every time somebody says "shit taste", take a small shot. Every time somebody calls out somebody for "I shouldn't have expected anything better from a ___ PFP", it's chugging time, bastard.
Want a tiny bit of a challenge? if they call you out for shit taste, you ask why, and they can't answer you why so they reply with more shit talking, take out your strongest vodka and take two shots. Go around doing this to multiple people.

(protip. If somebody can't explain how/why, then they probably refuse to admit that they have no reason, or don't understand nearly as much as they think they do.)
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zieek said:
Actually makes for funny fake argument between two friends.
If this argument is take seriously you gotta pity the fools actually involved.
Not to say that there aren't people out there who do only watch particular anime and or completely deny others. I mean I know a person who absolutely refuses to watch SCI-FI.
I kinda refuse to watch any Mechas, I mean they just seem reaaaalllyyy boring
May 7, 2021 5:35 AM
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if its a joke then its okay from time to time

but mostly its dumb
May 7, 2021 9:50 AM

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It is what it is tbf, at the course of your time in this degenerate hole, you'd come across ppl that will either align to what you like, or wont. That's just really the end all and be all of all things. You know, at the end of it all, it really depends on you if you'll let it go and accept it or go on a keyboard crusade to protecc what you feel like.

But then again, nothing really matters if you just try to protecc it because ummmm... what you really say on the internet doesnt really amount to something.
May 7, 2021 10:29 AM

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its stupid but someones gonna go and say something like that so it's best to just ignore it

May 7, 2021 2:03 PM

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I'll say that stuff with my friends in like a joke argument but I don't really say that stuff outside of our circle. Everyone has different taste and not everyone will enjoy what you enjoy but that shouldn't matter. You shouldn't say that stuff to anyone except My Hero fans
May 7, 2021 3:39 PM
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Everyone has their own tastes. It's really not right to shame people for liking certain shows. I might judge people or make assumptions on their age or general knowledge of anime based on their favorite anime, but I don't think those opinions should be voiced with hostility.
May 7, 2021 5:42 PM

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It’s pretty stupid in my opinion.
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Who cares... you kids focus on the dumbest shit. Try working out or finding a meaningful hobby instead of obsessing about what people say about your anime taste on the internet. There literally can't be anything more petty.

"Meaningful hobby" is subjective. It's easy to sit there and say how stupid this is to worry about when you don't have as much of a connection to it as someone else.
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I've always thought that people should focus more on what they enjoy rather than what is "objectively the best." That's why I respect anyone for liking any certain show.
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I kinda refuse to watch any Mechas, I mean they just seem reaaaalllyyy boring

Now THIS is something I would make fun on you for. Dismissing an entire genre because it "seems boring" is exactly what should be mocked.
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PandoraTheCretin said:
I kinda refuse to watch any Mechas, I mean they just seem reaaaalllyyy boring

Now THIS is something I would make fun on you for. Dismissing an entire genre because it "seems boring" is exactly what should be mocked.
I mean its not that I hate them or anything, they just really dont appeal to me. I do wanna watch some mechas like Gurren Laggan and Eva and stuff, but I just never got around to doing so. Maybe I would actually like it if I gave it a try, but yeah
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