| @Fai @Dragonage2ftw You guys sure love throwing around "direct" when we're really talking about "accuracy". Would you say "It's raining frogs" (in Romanian) is a direct translation of "It's raining cats and dogs"? I'd say no, it's a complete rewrite, but it's the same idiom for Romania, so it's completely accurate. That comment is COMPLETELY WRONG. It's retarded beyond any belief. The last part is even worse. "I support censorship", I would have laughed him out of the room if he would have told me that in real life. He adds Xenoblades Chronicles X NEAR Akiba's Trip, which are two completely differently localized games. Akiba's Trip had no problems with the text, unlike Xenoblades Chronicles X, which had fucking memes. I also love how people now use "woolseyisms" as an excuse for bad localizations: "Ted Woolsey was the primary translator for most of Square's Super Nintendo Entertainment System-era RPGs from 1991-1996. He is a polarizing figure in the video game community, even today. Depending on whom you ask, Woolsey was either an iron-fisted dictator who was convinced that American gamers were morons or a hard-pressed but nonetheless creative artisan who was the primary reason the scripts for these games weren't either rendered incomprehensible to Westerners, translated literally with little regard for accuracy, or, on the contrary, completely remolded to suit the audience or worse." Ted Woolsey as described here, WAS ACCURATE. |
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Dragonage2ftw said: Hulk Hogan destroyed Gawker in a lawsuit, and Kotaku is part of the Gawker network.To be fair, Kojima said several times that part of the reason Quiet looks the way she does is to encourage cosplay, so......... Also, what happened to Kotaku? Also: "Maybe the phrase 'erotic' wasn't really [the correct word for] what I was trying to say," Kojima said through a translator. "What I'm really trying to do is create unique characters. One of those is, of course, Quiet. She's a really unique character, I wanted to add that sexiness to her. It wasn't really supposed to be erotic, but sexy." "You're going to notice [when you play,] but there's limited dialogue with the [Metal Gear Solid 5], and for that reason we really want to show the characteristic from each character," Kojima added. "Sexy could be for guys, weapons, vehicles, it's really that characteristic." http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/6/4700386/hideo-kojima-explains-his-sexy-approach-to-metal-gear-solid-5s You can have more than one reason to design a character. |
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| @Fai Sadly it has come to the point that publishers are hesitant to publish games with female protagonists or cool innovative ideas because its not cool according to the same "focus groups". This is a great article on how focus testing for "white male teenagers" can break and cripple games What pure drivel. Games are made to cater to a lot of demographics, not only white, not only males. You're saying companies don't know their own demographics, since MOST GAMERS are YOUNG ADULTS AND MIDDLE AGED, NOT teenagers. In fact statistics are even more funny - out of ~670 games in last 7 years till 2013, only 24 had a female protagonist. The sources don't exist, besides it being The Mary Sue. So yeah people might cringe when somebody like me uses "designed for white males" term, but that does not refer about actual gaming population - that refers to the focus groups and mentalities that publishers focus their attention on, in turn turning something as fun and exciting as Overstrike into something utterly dull as Fuse. If you are making a game and do NOT resort to certain tropes or certain boring ass generic shit, then chances are publishers will reject your game. Bullshit, you're making a narrative out of a single failure which also had the comment about "12 year olds" saying "this game is for their younger brother", taking this out of context as usual, since that does not mean they only tested the game WITH teenagers...So what did they do? They tried to cater to the older populace. You do understand that THAT BROKE THEIR GAME, not FOCUSING on younger demographics AKA teenagers. but microsoft literally killed it before development began(almost killing Obsidian too) because playing morally gray and realistic people without titillation is not what market wants or whatever. Bullshit, where's your evidence for this?And while the core combat stuff was still part it, its quite clear that Overwatch is kind of "let's recoup the costs of project we stopped" kind of deal. I mean I like overwatch for what it is, but it could have been so much more. What I'm reading is impossible to attain and have it be a full game during both phases, day and night.It would be gimmicky. There's also the fact that most of his games include problematic shit and ever since the co-writer and co-director left MGS, the female characters there went a little bit...loopy and fetishized. Again the wrong use of "problematic" and claiming that there are issues with the female characters when you have yet to prove any of your claims.The downside is that Kotaku is owned by gawker so chances are at best(the option i hope), they will be sold out to some other media group and survive. For what it did to the gaming industry, it should die with Gawker.Things are not looking good and sadly the problematic side of internet is not helping matters, harassing the kotaku journalists and urging them to kill themselves and stuff and basically worshiping Hulk Hogan(ignoring the fact that he is no better than gawker themselves and is a known racist, which is hilariously main reason he is even suing gawker over sex tape - since that tape contained him going wildly racist and got him fired from wwe) I see no death threats, stop making up narratives.They deserve this as much as Gawker does, just for different reasons. |
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yhunata said: You'll never get it.So, uhhh, yeah. Still waiting on that answer. By the way, all this... Talk about white males reminds me of this. #Cuckstep for life. |
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| Are you guys joking? The PSP script is infinitely worse than it's more direct PSOne translation. Square took all the impact that carried through the simple dialogue and turned it into dribbled fluff. PSOne said: Miluda Folles: Who do you think we are!? We're not animals! We're human, just like you! There's no difference other than our families! You ever been hungry? With only soup to eat for months? Why do we have to suffer? Because you nobles deprive us of our right to live! Algus Sadalfas: Human? Hmph, ridiculous! From the minute you were born you had to obey us! From the second you were born you were our animals! Miluda Folles: Says who!? That's nonsense! Who decided all this?! Algus Sadalfas: It is the Will of Heaven! Miluda Folles: Heaven? God would never say such things! In his eyes, all are equal! He'd never let this happen! Never! Algus Sadalfas: Animals have no God! Miluda Folles: !!! It ends there because Miluda gets fucking rekt, and the silence adds to that ultra fucking burn. In the War of the Lions translation though: PSP said: Felt like I was watching a overly long, drawn out slapfight between two morons in a ladies club. Also the change from "god" to "gods". Gross.Milleuda: How can you nobles live as you do and yet hold your heads so high? Weare not chattel! We are humans, no less than you! What flaw do you hold there to be in us? That we were born between a different set of walls? Do you know what it means to hunger? To sup for months on naught but broth of bean? Why must we be made to starve that you might grow fat? You call us thieves, but it is you who steal from us the right to live! Argath: You, no less human than we? Ha! Now there's a beastly thought. You've been less than we from the moment your baseborn father fell upon your mother in whatever gutter saw you sired! You've been chattel since you came into the world drenched in common blood! Milleuda: By whose decree!? Who decides such foul and absurd things? Argath: 'Tis heaven's will! Milleuda: Heaven's will? You would pin your bigotry on the gods? No god would fain forgive such sin, much less embrace it! All men are equal in the eyes of the gods! Argath: Men, yes. But the gods have no eyes for chattel. Milleuda: You speak of devils, not gods! Delita: Ramza, is this woman truly our enemy? |
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TR-8RCaim said: http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/6/4700386/hideo-kojima-explains-his-sexy-approach-to-metal-gear-solid-5s You can have more than one reason to design a character. Im more pissed off that in today's apparently progressive world that he would have to explain himself at all. This isn't the Victorian age of sexual repression. I thought sexuality and outwardness was supposed to be celebrated yet the SJW have him explain himself like she should have been wearing an Islamic body cover. Its also his character, his world, his choice in the matter. If anyone doesn't like it they should seek out something else. You don't censor or control art you ignore what you don't like and seek out what you do. SJW are literal society cancer. |
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TR-8RCaim said: Are you guys joking? The PSP script is infinitely worse than it's more direct PSOne translation. Square took all the impact that carried through the simple dialogue and turned it into dribbled fluff. PSOne said: Miluda Folles: Who do you think we are!? We're not animals! We're human, just like you! There's no difference other than our families! You ever been hungry? With only soup to eat for months? Why do we have to suffer? Because you nobles deprive us of our right to live! Algus Sadalfas: Human? Hmph, ridiculous! From the minute you were born you had to obey us! From the second you were born you were our animals! Miluda Folles: Says who!? That's nonsense! Who decided all this?! Algus Sadalfas: It is the Will of Heaven! Miluda Folles: Heaven? God would never say such things! In his eyes, all are equal! He'd never let this happen! Never! Algus Sadalfas: Animals have no God! Miluda Folles: !!! It ends there because Miluda gets fucking rekt, and the silence adds to that ultra fucking burn. In the War of the Lions translation though: PSP said: Felt like I was watching a overly long, drawn out slapfight between two morons in a ladies club. Also the change from "god" to "gods". Gross.Milleuda: How can you nobles live as you do and yet hold your heads so high? Weare not chattel! We are humans, no less than you! What flaw do you hold there to be in us? That we were born between a different set of walls? Do you know what it means to hunger? To sup for months on naught but broth of bean? Why must we be made to starve that you might grow fat? You call us thieves, but it is you who steal from us the right to live! Argath: You, no less human than we? Ha! Now there's a beastly thought. You've been less than we from the moment your baseborn father fell upon your mother in whatever gutter saw you sired! You've been chattel since you came into the world drenched in common blood! Milleuda: By whose decree!? Who decides such foul and absurd things? Argath: 'Tis heaven's will! Milleuda: Heaven's will? You would pin your bigotry on the gods? No god would fain forgive such sin, much less embrace it! All men are equal in the eyes of the gods! Argath: Men, yes. But the gods have no eyes for chattel. Milleuda: You speak of devils, not gods! Delita: Ramza, is this woman truly our enemy? While I agree that the change from "God" to "gods" was unnecessary, I must say I rather enjoyed the WotL scripts. I felt that it carried the same weight and gravitas as the original while still feeling like it was in its own world. Also, in no reality does freakin' Algus rek or burn anyone. |
AllenNoah said: While I agree that the change from "God" to "gods" was unnecessary, I must say I rather enjoyed the WotL scripts. I felt that it carried the same weight and gravitas as the original while still feeling like it was in its own world. Also, in no reality does freakin' Algus rek or burn anyone. WOTL retranslation genuinely felt having an actual flavor, an identity that was lost via previous more direct translation. IT were also a lot more poetic having those kind of prose scenes in cutscenes that look like out of a play. As someone put it - WOTL is very Shakespearean and that actually improves the game for me. The translators did not have to do it, did not have to "translate" The actual flavor and just use direct translation, but they went multiple steps further making it into an actual western narrative that flows together instead of a translation of a foreign one. |
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AllenNoah said: He fucking silenced a peasant using his words. He gets hit shit rekt later on but for that one moment, that one dialogue, I can confidently say that Algus did a serious burn.Also, in no reality does freakin' Algus rek or burn anyone. |
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Fai said: That isn't the actual story though or how things actually went.AllenNoah said: While I agree that the change from "God" to "gods" was unnecessary, I must say I rather enjoyed the WotL scripts. I felt that it carried the same weight and gravitas as the original while still feeling like it was in its own world. Also, in no reality does freakin' Algus rek or burn anyone. WOTL retranslation genuinely felt having an actual flavor, an identity that was lost via previous more direct translation. IT were also a lot more poetic having those kind of prose scenes in cutscenes that look like out of a play. As someone put it - WOTL is very Shakespearean and that actually improves the game for me. The translators did not have to do it, did not have to "translate" The actual flavor and just use direct translation, but they went multiple steps further making it into an actual western narrative that flows together instead of a translation of a foreign one. |
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Fai said: It's schizophrenic dialogue bordering between current English and archaic 19th century vocabulary. AllenNoah said: While I agree that the change from "God" to "gods" was unnecessary, I must say I rather enjoyed the WotL scripts. I felt that it carried the same weight and gravitas as the original while still feeling like it was in its own world. Also, in no reality does freakin' Algus rek or burn anyone. WOTL retranslation genuinely felt having an actual flavor, an identity that was lost via previous more direct translation. IT were also a lot more poetic having those kind of prose scenes in cutscenes that look like out of a play. As someone put it - WOTL is very Shakespearean and that actually improves the game for me. The translators did not have to do it, did not have to "translate" The actual flavor and just use direct translation, but they went multiple steps further making it into an actual western narrative that flows together instead of a translation of a foreign one. If you actually tried studying Shakespeare, you'd know that War of the Lions' script is nothing like it. |
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TR-8RCaim said: AllenNoah said: He fucking silenced a peasant using his words. He gets hit shit rekt later on but for that one moment, that one dialogue, I can confidently say that Algus did a serious burn.Also, in no reality does freakin' Algus rek or burn anyone. I've seen you in Fates topics. You of all people should know there comes a time where you realize that no amount of words are going to get through to a person. This was one of those times. Just because you have nothing to say to a person doesn't mean you have nothing to say on an issue. |
| @post 57, on phone and fuck quoting that mass of words 1. Reason isn't limited by anything, cause as you grow you learn to reason more things in a different way. Common sense is born from your environment and all the actions in said environment, so in a way it is limited by your culture 2. You can't condone one culture based on your own, that is a great amount of bullshit. That is more or less saying "your culture isn't right, ours is". Although I am against rape culture, I can't condone it cause if I was born into it I would think it's normal. 3.anything and everything is offensive to someone. 4. Wanting something to be within limits of not being offensive is not "propaganda". Its a common sense. Your common sense, so it is propaganda because you want us to believe it is right. 5. Characters can be sexual without being designed in a way to titillate to male viewers sexual arousal. Its a problem because it treats women as objects to lust after, which IS part of real world rape culture - assumption that women are "asking" for it just because they look certain way. This makes my brain hurt, it's only a problem because stupid fucks can't disassociate fiction and reality. If people could tell the difference there wouldn't be a problem. I'm pretty sure I saw some double standards reading through this thread but not 100%. Tl;dr Don't say shit about anything when it wasn't meant for your culture to begin with, Ofc your gonna say it's wrong or whatnot. Also virtual=/=reality and stop pushing your own views onto others, only the complete idiots will believe you |
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TR-8RCaim said: AllenNoah said: He fucking silenced a peasant using his words. He gets hit shit rekt later on but for that one moment, that one dialogue, I can confidently say that Algus did a serious burn.Also, in no reality does freakin' Algus rek or burn anyone. I just read that, I needed burn cream to heal that burn |
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AllenNoah said: You said he didn't burn anyone. I disagreed, I said he burned and I gave my reason for believing so. It's called discussion.TR-8RCaim said: He fucking silenced a peasant using his words. He gets hit shit rekt later on but for that one moment, that one dialogue, I can confidently say that Algus did a serious burn. I've seen you in Fates topics. You of all people should know there comes a time where you realize that no amount of words are going to get through to a person. This was one of those times. Just because you have nothing to say to a person doesn't mean you have nothing to say on an issue. Why are you so assblasted now? Is this too complex for you? howe bout noww? am i too simpel for u? Thanks for saying something that meant nothing. |
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TR-8RCaim said: AllenNoah said: You said he didn't burn anyone. I disagreed, I said he burned and I gave my reason for believing so. It's called discussion.I've seen you in Fates topics. You of all people should know there comes a time where you realize that no amount of words are going to get through to a person. This was one of those times. Just because you have nothing to say to a person doesn't mean you have nothing to say on an issue. Why are you so assblasted now? Is this too complex for you? All I did was give my reason for her staying silent and why it doesn't mean she was burned. I believe that's called "discussion." Did I blow your mind yet? I mean by that logic, every time a racist used a slur would be considered an epic burn rather than the ramblings of an ignorant bigot, which is what Algus was. It's not even up to interpretation, that's his character. |
AllenNoah said: Except you didn't. To paraphrase, you just said "He didn't burn anyone" without providing any support for it. That's it. Nothing else. Then after I disagreed with you, you go full on assblast for god knows what reason. At least try before you start shit dude.All I did was give my reason for her staying silent and why it doesn't mean she was burned. I believe that's called "discussion." Did I blow your mind yet? I mean by that logic, every time a racist used a slur would be considered an epic burn rather than the ramblings of an ignorant bigot, which is what Algus was. It's not even up to interpretation, that's his character. Also no, it was a burn because Milleuda couldn't think of a rebuttal. That's how insults work. |
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TR-8RCaim said: Dragonage2ftw said: Hulk Hogan destroyed Gawker in a lawsuit, and Kotaku is part of the Gawker network.To be fair, Kojima said several times that part of the reason Quiet looks the way she does is to encourage cosplay, so......... Also, what happened to Kotaku? You can have more than one reason to design a character. Thanks, and I know. I said it was PART of the reason she was designed the way she is. |
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| Two words about direct translations. Yes, most of the time they are terribad. But not just because they read like shit. It's mainly because they are inaccurate. Literal translations will often completely twist the original meaning, and rarely manage to convey the tone of the sentence properly. That's why they suck. However, rewriting everything completely, spamming memes, making up retarded jokes, and using Shakespearean style just because, even if none of that was present in the Japanese script, twists the original meaning even more than an awful literal translation. There's one difference though - literal translation is still a translation (although a bad one). Total rewrite is not. But the main issue here, is that you are talking as if there were only two possible options. Either "All your base are belong to us" or "RAWR, pickles!". And that's the biggest bullshit here. Because neither of those should be even considered an option. Even by fan-translators, not to mention commercial ones. It's possible to make an accurate translation that will convey the original meaning, tone, mood, and many little nuances, and at the same time will be written in proper English that reads well. It's not easy, but an official localization company who has resources to get decent translators and skilled writers as editors, should be able to do this. Translations can be done right (I only know both JP and ENG versions of some visual novels, but I'm pretty sure you could find some decently translated jRPGs and other games as well). And they should be done right. Especially if people are supposed to pay for them. Saying that random garbage, that looks like it was written by 15 years old fanfic writer, is better than borderline unreadable literal translation makes absolutely no sense. It can be arguable which one is worse really (one reads better, the other is more accurate), but both are so bad it's not even worth discussing. |
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Pabloc said: That aside, answer me one question. Do you disregard Quiet's characterization and actions, and see only her sexual characteristics? Do you objectify her? Do you see her as nothing more than fanservice, merely a sex object to lust after? Yes or no? :P No, I never once said that Quiet was JUST fanservice. Her character isn't good though, but then again the writing of the game itself isn't good, so she's not that bad comparatively. |
TR-8RCaim said: Vanisher said: Then if you understood what the game was about, you wouldn't be complaining about "fanservice". You would have understood that Quiet isn't just "fanservice". She was designed to be a character that could transcend feelings beyond the simple tool of words. She was designed to be a someone who could communicate through appearance and actions. She loved Snake, so she did shit like showering, posing, and dressing provocatively in front of Snake to communicate that idea. If she was in a soldier's uniform, not many of those expressions would have been able to be achieved. Are you kidding me? I played the game there was no need to write any of that I know what's the game is about. None of that justifies fanservice either, we know she loves him without any of that. also lol fanservice Define fanservice If this game really was fanservice, Quiet would have had a happy ending. The only thing in this game that I would say is fanservice is the birthday easter egg. Have we regressed so far in artistic thought that anything remotely sexual in a game is instantly unfavorable and considered "fanservice"? Yeah I'm sure Konami's producer went to the art team and told them "Hey let's do slut poses for her during idle animations in the helicopter to convey her love... also whenever you can make the camera aim at her boob or her ass because you know... love" Once again you are full of shit, you can't possibly believe what you wrote yourself. You clearly know what I mean by fanservice don't play dumb. |
| @Vanisher When will you actually present an argument though? You're complaining about non-issues. |
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Vanisher said: Yeah I'm sure Konami's producer went to the art team and told them "Hey let's do slut poses for her during idle animations in the helicopter to convey her love... also whenever you can make the camera aim at her boob or her ass because you know... love"  So what? is fan service off the table, to be banned? perhaps we can make her wear a veil. you've already admitted the writing for the game isn't so good and shes on par character wise with everyone else in the game. So the fan service isn't taking away from her characterization seen as she has as little as everyone else including the main character. So the fan service isn't taking anything away from the game, so whats the problem if the games designer wanted it that way or some people like it? its not adding anything its not taking anything away its just there. Maybe people who don't like it should just ignore it instead of complaining like they want it taken away from everyone. If its really so meaningless, its meaningless to take it out or complain about it. |
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Vanisher said: You can't possibly believe what you wrote yourself. Not when literally everything you said about her in this thread is how she "screams fanservice all over the place", how it's "cheaper to just have more Quiet fanservice scenes", how she does "slut poses" and how you notice camera focusing on her boobs and ass - all of that is 100% focused on her sexuality. And whenever anyone says that there's more to her character and actions than just pure fanservice, you dismiss it as "full of shit". You clearly know what I mean by objectifying (virtual) women and seeing them as sex objects, don't play dumb. :PNo, I never once said that Quiet was JUST fanservice. Her character isn't good though, but then again the writing of the game itself isn't good, so she's not that bad comparatively. That aside, the fact the there is some fanservice in MGS doesn't really mean anything. Even if Quiet was all about fanservice, that's not necessarily a bad thing. As long as it works in the game world, it's fine. People provided plenty of decent excuses for this particular case of fanservice, and you said it yourself that her character is on par with others writing-wise, so fanservice apparently didn't do any harm. You don't need special justification for it - heck, it actually can't have one by definition (otherwise it turns into a vital element of the plot/gameplay, not fnaservice). A solid excuse is more than enough. You'd personally prefer to see different features than fanservice? Well, too bad the producers don't always share your vision, and they are making their games how [i]they[i/] see fit. :P |
Vanisher said: Yeah I'm sure Konami's producer went to the art team and told them "Hey let's do slut poses for her during idle animations in the helicopter to convey her love... also whenever you can make the camera aim at her boob or her ass because you know... love" Who the fuck cares? Like seriously, why does this stuff even cross your mind when you play a game? |
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Pabloc said: You don't need special justification for it - heck, it actually can't have one by definition (otherwise it turns into a vital element of the plot/gameplay, not fnaservice). A solid excuse is more than enough. And that's exactly why fanservice is bad, there's no justification for it, no reason for it to exist other than pleasing people that want shallow content for fap material. But at least you are the only one in this thread who is willing to read what others say and use your brain on it. |
| @Vanisher there's no justification for it, no reason for it to exist other than pleasing people that want shallow content for fap material. You just gave a justification.Besides, there are more than one. The primary one remains: "It's fiction, anything goes in fiction." |
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Vanisher said: shallow content for fap material. The best kind of content. |
Vanisher said: Yes, you also don't need justification for a story, or characters, or settings, or writing, or voices in a game either so why don't we remove those elements as well?Pabloc said: You don't need special justification for it - heck, it actually can't have one by definition (otherwise it turns into a vital element of the plot/gameplay, not fnaservice). A solid excuse is more than enough. And that's exactly why fanservice is bad, there's no justification for it, no reason for it to exist other than pleasing people that want shallow content for fap material. But at least you are the only one in this thread who is willing to read what others say and use your brain on it. Do you know how fucking ridiculous you sound? Are you another of those edgy "I only play mature games for mature gamers such as myself" kind of people? Because you sound like one. Gratuitous sexual content has been in media for centuries, millenniums even, and they have all helped in elevating art and how it works today. Getting all pissy because you're allergic to titties shows just how sad you are. Also, sexual content added for the only and explicit reason of servicing fans and nothing else is fanservice. Sexual content added as a means to accentuate the writing and characters is not fanservice. Even if the quality of the writing itself is poor, that still doesn't mean it's fanservice either way. Vanisher said: Did you fucking read what I said? Yeah I'm sure Konami's producer went to the art team and told them "Hey let's do slut poses for her during idle animations in the helicopter to convey her love... also whenever you can make the camera aim at her boob or her ass because you know... love" Once again you are full of shit, you can't possibly believe what you wrote yourself. You clearly know what I mean by fanservice don't play dumb. Let me ask this, have you ever had a girlfriend? Girls do provocative poses as a means of flirting and that's what Quiet does when you reach a max bond with her. Because, I'll say it again, Quiet loves Snake and her only means of communicating with him is through actions. Since you play as Snake, through his lens, through his experience in the narrative, you're going to have perform interactive sequences that display Snake's infatuation with Quiet. It's why most of the "fanservice" scenes take place in first-person. It's why one of the methods of increasing Quiet's bond is staring at her. Once again, you're showing how hopelessly close-minded you are. |
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Narmy said: Vanisher said: Yeah I'm sure Konami's producer went to the art team and told them "Hey let's do slut poses for her during idle animations in the helicopter to convey her love... also whenever you can make the camera aim at her boob or her ass because you know... love" Who the fuck cares? Like seriously, why does this stuff even cross your mind when you play a game? Anything can cross anyone's mind at any given time. |
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Immahnoob said: @Vanisher there's no justification for it, no reason for it to exist other than pleasing people that want shallow content for fap material. "It's fiction, anything goes in fiction." I guess people should stop being mad about Uncanny Avengers and Avengers issue 200, then......... /sarcasm. |
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Dragonage2ftw said: The creators have every right to do whatever they want with their own creations, their reasons for doing so matter though.I guess people should stop being mad about Uncanny Avengers and Avengers issue 200, then......... /sarcasm. And the fans have every right to react in any manner, but their reasons matter too, Dragonage. It's too bad you don't understand that. |
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Immahnoob said: Dragonage2ftw said: The creators have every right to do whatever they want with their own creations, their reasons for doing so matter though.I guess people should stop being mad about Uncanny Avengers and Avengers issue 200, then......... /sarcasm. And the fans have every right to react in any manner, but their reasons matter too, Dragonage. It's too bad you don't understand that. That contradicts what you just said. |
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Dragonage2ftw said: No it doesn't. Immahnoob said: The creators have every right to do whatever they want with their own creations, their reasons for doing so matter though. And the fans have every right to react in any manner, but their reasons matter too, Dragonage. It's too bad you don't understand that. That contradicts what you just said. Ninty can go out of their way and say "We sold our company for 1$.", and that's their reason and all, they have every right too. But that doesn't mean I can't criticize them for being retarded. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Vanisher said: Ultimately, pretty much all kinds of entertainment are meant to please people. That's the point. Even the most gimdark, deadly-serious, thought-provoking works are meant to amuse their target audience one way or the other. And for SJWs, this is indeed problematic. They firmly believe that creative fictional works must be somehow "justified". And for them, "It's fun", "Audience wants it" or "Author wanted to make it like this" are not valid justifications. Which is as full of crap as it gets.And that's exactly why fanservice is bad, there's no justification for it, no reason for it to exist other than pleasing people that want shallow content for fap material. Fanservice itself is neither good nor bad. It's perfectly neutral, just like every other element of games. Only it's usage can be good or bad (which is true for every other element as well). Also, is mere SFW fanservice enough to be considered a fap material for you? Damn, you must be horny as fuck if even something so extremely tame is making you fap. :P Also, you just reached a whole new level as a misogynistic-white-male-rapist-pig for not only treating Quiet as a sex object, but also a fap material. XD Dragonage2ftw said: Yes, it can. But if you knew how to read, you would have noticed that the question was "why?". And it's an interesting question indeed. :PNarmy said: Who the fuck cares? Like seriously, why does this stuff even cross your mind when you play a game? Anything can cross anyone's mind at any given time. As for your Avengers "sarcasm" - you don't get the concept of freedom, do you? Anything goes in fiction. Anything can be criticized (≠ banned/censored). And criticism can be discussed and debunked. That's how it works. Or at least how it should work in a civilized, free country. |
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