Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? (light novel)
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| Such atmosphere change the instant Hestia turned divine, pretty awesome moment. Too bad Bell didn't beat that guy too much, after finally being able to feel his eyes on him. I really hope for a second season m(._.)m |
Takuan_Soho said: Have you seen the sales of the Light Novels after the animation has been released? They have been monster. As long as the story hasn't ended in the novels, this is the clearest indication that there will be a second season outside of it being an NHK show there is. I would say 80% chance. I saw, but nowadays, most rushed adaptation don't get a second seasons, so chances are low. I also fail at seeing while they adapted precisely until volume 5 if they intended to make a second season soon, too. There's a reason to do that if they don't intend to, and that's also why I'm saying that there will probably not be one. That and the fact that they made several mistakes that would render the adaptation of the next volume more.. delicate. Not impossible, far from it, but it seems like they don't care about creating those problems at all, which also make me think that it's because they don't intend to ever animate it. menel984345 said: This episode was so... predictable. Peeking part, Bell defeating the bad guy because of some new power and most of the other stuff... And does it only concern me that Hestia was supposed to be in the dungeon incognito and everyone knew she was here? It's not a new power actually. Hypersensitivity has been present in the LN AND anime since the start of the story. Remember Bell being able to sense Freiya looking at him? Yes, that's it. It's the exact same thing. It's something Bell always had, that isn't in his stats at all. Freiya noticed that ability since a while, as he started to turn toward the tower when she's looking at him from here. fatalystic said: ichii_1 said: Too bad for Ryu she can't powerup anymore cause she's guild banned :( Stat boosting/levelling up has nothing to do with the guild. The guild's where adventurers turn in magic stones for cash. She still cannot update her status. Because she's blacklisted, if her god was to try getting back in the oratorio town, she would be arrested at the gates and asked to disband her family to remove Ryu's status as an adventurer. The guild does not only change the magic stones for cash. It regulate the town, can give penalty to gods and familia who created disturbance in the town, will organise the events and manage the town as a whole, giving authorization to gods to do such and such, supervising quarrels between familia, and blacklisting offenders forcing them to lose their status, banishing them from the town. Being blacklisted by the Guild means that you cannot live openly in Oratorio. Yo ueither have to leave, or to live while being hidden. The only reason why Ryu still has her status is because Astraea isn't in town, and therefore the guild has no power to arrest her god. And Ryu will not go outside of town to search for Astraea after asking her to leave to not show her what she has become, full of hatred and a murderer. For Astraea, god who believed so much in purity and justice, that's a treachery of everything that familia believed in. Ryu knew that, and that's why she asked Astraea to leave, in order to not sadden the god she respected a lot by showing her what she'll become. ichii_1 said: [ I meant the guild goddess :( she can't perform that thing on her now. You're confusing the Guild in Danmachi and the Guild in a MMo. Guild in a MMO are the familia in Danmachi. She wans't blacklisted by her familia, but by the guild, which means impossibility to ever get back in another family as well as starting again with Astraea in Oratorio. diu613 said: Still really annoying, its absolutely no point of comparing the novel with the anime when the audience have not read the novel yet. Explaining the settings is okay, but stop whining about the difference lol ! Its an anime afterall not a bloody novel !!! Just watch it dont compare it in front of anime watchers. where they have no idea wtf are u talking about Sorry but, it's a novel adaptation, no matter how you look at it. Also, why would peoples complaining about specific part of the ADAPTATION be more annoying than peoples complaining about characters, about the plot, about the animation or anything else? You will never see me complaining about the plot or character here. Why? Because I've read the novels before, so if I had to complain, I would have done it at that time, and if I really disliked the plot, I wouldn't watch the adaptation, duh. What do you think I am, some kind of masochist? So while someone who didn't read the novel may say "gosh, Hestia is annoying" I can't say that. But I can say "Gosh, they really made Hestia annoying in the anime..." If I do that (I'm not finding HEstia especially annoying, so that's an example here), I'm complaining about the exact same thing as the first person BUT I end up doing a comparison BECAUSE I read the novel. it cannot be avoided. What you're asking for is that peoples who read the novels aren't allowed to complain, and only other can call this show "shit" as much as they want. Talk about being biased, heh? I, like anyone else, also come in this threads to say what I thought about the episode. As a matter of fact, since I've read the novels, what I thought about the episode will be linked to the adaptation of it, it can't be helped. Also, I'd like that you make a difference between obnoxious original material/adaptation comparison like you can see on the Fate forum "OMG, he moved his little finger instead of his index, that adaptation is shit !!!!11One!" (almost not even exaggerating here) which is complaining about every single detail for the sake of complaining imo, and what was done there. If you can't see any difference, that's sad. I don't want to continue this discussion further in that thread since that's not the place, but you should think twice before complaining about that next time. Jonesy974 said: You're complaining, but he's been THE go-to guy this entire season for explanations and events that were in the LN and left out of the anime. The large majority of viewers here are very thankful and interested in his insight every week. Thank you for your kind words. Fireego said: Also, thanks Zefyris for explaining shit we don't get. (^_^) You're welcome x) |
ZefyrisJun 20, 2015 5:05 AM
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| A cliffhanger. Well that is expected; the next episode will be the last. Ryu-san is a really nice person and we finally found out more about her and why she stopped going to the dungeon. Hestia used her divine power, but wasn't it said that gods don't have powers on 'Earth'? |
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I saw, but nowadays, most rushed adaptation don't get a second seasons, so chances are low. I also fail at seeing while they adapted precisely until volume 5 if they intended to make a second season soon, too. There's a reason to do that if they don't intend to, and that's also why I'm saying that there will probably not be one. That and the fact that they made several mistakes that would render the adaptation of the next volume more.. delicate. Not impossible, far from it, but it seems like they don't care about creating those problems at all, which also make me think that it's because they don't intend to ever animate it. What do you think about SAO? I think SAO Anime is more rushed than Danmachi and they still get the season 2... |
hattyo said: IIRC, SAO adapted 4 volumes in 24 episodes. Danmachi adapted 5 volume n 13, while focusing on fan service and useless events just because Hestia was in it (so when they choose what to keep, high priority was given to the things that should have been removed in priority) What do you think about SAO? I think SAO Anime is more rushed than Danmachi and they still get the season 2... While SAO volumes are A BIT bigger than danmachi volumes 1 to 4 (volume of danmachi is bigger than the average volume of SAO by quite a bit however), danmachi was far more rushed than SAO ever was. If you want numbers, SAO adapted AFAIK 1330 pages of content in 24 episodes. That's 55 p/episodes which actually means that SAO had a better page/episode ratio than almost every single other LN adaptation out there. Complaining about it being rushed is like spitting in the face of all the fan of other LN series which got adapted with absolutely awful ratios in comparison. Danmachi adapted 1600 pages of content for 13 episodes. That's 125p/episodes. And this, WHILE giving priority to keep fan service over the remaining content. Now, THAT'S awfully rushed. You cannot even start to compare those two 's situaiton. SAO is among the adaptation of LN with the best ratio out there, danmachi is among the most awful ( there's worse though, some have above 150 like KyouHora season 2, and I think Mahou sensou was too?). |
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| Fanservice for the first part. Decent enough. Bell gets the time of his life thanks to Hermes. Rrrrrrromance! Divine powers for the win, Hestia! Looked pretty sick! Now bow down to her! Cliffhanger for next last episode. Giant skull incoming. Might be connected to Hestia since she did release her divine power. |
| Hestia release her divine powers, she couldnt do it earlier :? |
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CreamZi said: Fanservice for the first part. Decent enough. Bell gets the time of his life thanks to Hermes. Rrrrrrromance! Divine powers for the win, Hestia! Looked pretty sick! Now bow down to her! Cliffhanger for next last episode. Giant skull incoming. Might be connected to Hestia since she did release her divine power. Nisx said: Hestia release her divine powers, she couldnt do it earlier :? Answer was post 31 : "Actually, she didn't release her power. This is a burst of "Might of Heaven" (神威 in japanese) ( Or "God authority" if you it better that way). Every god has it as a natural aura. In the anime, it was completely skipped, so obviously you don't know that, but in the LN, it's often talked about. That's the main reason for why in danmachi, you can recognise if someone is a god or not by his sheer "presence" and "authority" (think of it like an absolute charisma emanating from them, overwhelming for mortals). Usually, gods are just radiating a little of it. When they entered the dungeon, Hestia and Hermes made sure that they completely cut it off to avoid being detected by the dungeon. What hestia did was simply a burst of it, suddenly releasing 神威 to convince the mortals to obey her. She didn't use her divine power. If she did, that would be back to the heaven afterwards and forever for Hestia, end of danmachi as a story. They exaggerated it clearly in the anime. Shin'i (神威) is something that's completely natural from gods in danmachi~ As a mater of fact, when Bell reunited with Hestia on the 18th floor, he asked her why she was "different from usual". That's because gods usually release an aura of "God Authority" at all time, whereas she wasn't in the dungeon. What Hestia did there was just stopping restraining it, and maybe releasing more than usual on this, but that's about it." -> Shin'i doesn't untie a rope, nor does this force people to obey either. When she was abducted, she couldn't say anything, as they were restraining any sound for her, too. So in the end, that wasn't a option. |
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| This anime is a trainwreck. Unless there's a season two, there's no way they can pack everything they need to into this final episode. I've never read the LN, but I'm assuming this is pretty rushed. Originally I was a little skeptical of this anime, then I found myself liking, and now I'm highly skeptical of it again. Not sure what path it's taking, but it really seems like they're going to try and fit way too much into the last episode. What a shame. Oh, and we're going to have random, jealous adventures as antagonists this late in the game? No. What about that chick that's been watching Bell? Are we just simply going to ignore her, or is her plan and downfall all going to happen in the final episode? If so, holy crap, what a disaster anime. |
KreltarJun 20, 2015 9:48 AM
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| If I had to guess, I'd say that this earthquake at the end is due to Hestia using her power. They did say that Divines didn't had the right to enter the dungeon. In any case, IT'S A SPOOKY SCARY SKELETON!!! QUICK, THANK MR SKELTAL!! That flashback of his grandpa was freaking hilarious. I think it's the combo of the 'Rrrrrrromance!!'' and the painful ''OJISAAAAANN!!''. It was really a painful scream. Poor Bell innocence. But that bath scene was hawt ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Aiz body... Hnnnng. |
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It was actually done even in the anime. First time is as soon as first episode at 11:44. Look at Bell's reaction. Bell the first time could not pinpoint where that sight was coming from, but was still able to perceive that someone was looking at him with more than peaceful intention. And afterwards, he was able to pinpoint it every time. That's why he was able to pint point that adventurer's place by his hostile sight on him. I honestly cannot remember if the anime did the reminding occurrence of this or stopped after the first one, so can't tell you where are the others and if they are here as well in the anime. But at the very least, the first one is there. And I can confirm you that at the very least in the LN, every time after the first time, Bell was looking at the tower when Freiya was there looking at him. |
ZefyrisJun 20, 2015 11:12 AM
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Farabeuf said: Aiz checking out her body odour was hilarious. I loled so hard :D I love Hestia but indeed she should behave less...childish. She is a kamisama so... |
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Orulyon said: Farabeuf said: Aiz checking out her body odour was hilarious. I loled so hard :D I love Hestia but indeed she should behave less...childish. She is a kamisama so... She seemingly acting as if she's part of his harm already. LOL |
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GreenSnow said: TheHonestThief said: I agree that the other characters at this juncture don't matter too much, but they're still interesting. Those amazon twins are amusing (hell, most of these characters are amusing. Lete included. I want to see more from Ryu, Hermes, the entire familia that initially fucked over Bell (can't recall name). The world is underdeveloped, but we're still getting enough to make me wonder and find it cool. I wouldn't mind seeing more of the adventurers and their various attitudes on being an adventurer. I want to see a large-scale familia journey through the dungeons. Show me more specific quests inside the dungeons. But don't show me this stuff with Bell! His blushing, extreme kindness, soft-spoken, naivety is not something I want to see, even remotely. The rest of the main cast aren't bad. Welf is a character I actually really like at this juncture. This show has awesome fight choreography, but having Bell as the focus of most of that is infuriating. I would like Aiz were her interactions not with Bell. Having her essentially as the powerful ditz could be great, but when paired with Bell it feels like I am watching children. Come on, bell may not be an overpowered badass gary-stue for self-inserting but that doesn't mean that he is a bad character(his "OPness" is only saving time and not letting his grow come to a halt ). Despite his unreal quirks, his flaws, problems, and limits, how he confronts them and grows emotionally makes him more human than say 90% of the MC's of the las 10 years (not that this feat is that impressive anyway but it accounts to something for me). Aiz as a character in the anime is not developed at all, she's the main character of Sword oratoria (LN that happens parallel to danmachi) which has a manga adaptation, where you could see her struggles, personallity and interactions with others(Don't think we'll get an adaptation of that). More human? No. Not at all, really. He's had a single instance of emotional growth where he essentially says "I'm done being a pussy", fights the Minotaur in an incredible fight, but still retains the EXACT same B-type personality just with more combat capabilities. I am saying he's a bad character, and is single handedly killing this anime for me. I can't really comment on Aiz as I am unaware of any source for her. She hardly counts as a main character for me. |
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kyle8998 said: Bell held his own against invisible guy! Yup, deus ex machina, the sign of bad/lazy writing and the go-to for most anime. You can't beat me, because anything you do I'll spontaneously gain a power to counter! One episode left of Dungeons and Idiots. |
menel984345 said: Also, if Bell had this power from the beginning, him getting beaten up just doesn't make sense. It's not like he's conscious of it and has the need to use it against an invisible man before. We saw that sensitivity accross the volumes rise in accuracy, but he never had to use it in a fight. The helm of invisibility is a creation of Asufi, who doesn't like the fact that that helm's existence will go public due to this, so you can expect that Bell never heard about any way to become invisible before. He got hit in the head too, actually making it harder to think properly. This is actually pretty logical in the way it's done. He starts to get used to the situation and the attacks after a while, calming down and concentrating, where his sensitivity is at long last kicking in as a logical result. It's more difficult to understand that in the anime since, as almost all anime, you're losing the mental situation of characters in a visual media like that. Sokah said: kyle8998 said: Bell held his own against invisible guy! Yup, deus ex machina, the sign of bad/lazy writing and the go-to for most anime. You can't beat me, because anything you do I'll spontaneously gain a power to counter! One episode left of Dungeons and Idiots. Read the second paragraph of post # 106. Peoples those days, so quick in looking down on everything rather than asking or READING (since it was already explained on the thread and even quoted right before your post by menel). What's the need to look down at things like that ? Take the time to read the explanation and you'll notice that this title's plot is, in fact, quite solid and logical. Rather than a deus ex machina, this was foreshadowed multiple time and the first time is right in the first episode/novel. That's the exact contrary of a deus ex machina~ |
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Relinquish022 said: Was it just me,or did the animation in this episode feel a bit...Off? Not only the animation. Face in the background, that ridiculous skull guy in the end, and so on... The budget of that episode clearly felt quite lower in everything. Hopefully this means more budget for the last episode, which indeed, if they want to do it properly, would probably require as much budget as several normal episodes together. They're probably going to avoid spending that much, but hopefully it'll still turn out good. |
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| Oh my, did she brought wrath of Hades on them and on current floor with using of her divine powers? You can say this was nothing new but mind me, this was no simple aura as she clearly dropped down her tail-holders. She NEVER did that in the city. I fear their paradise is gonna be destroyed and her family disbanded. Other than than that... Much tits. Very fanservice. |
Mich666Jun 20, 2015 5:42 PM
GreenSnow said: TheHonestThief said: More human? No. Not at all, really. He's had a single instance of emotional growth where he essentially says "I'm done being a pussy", fights the Minotaur in an incredible fight, but still retains the EXACT same B-type personality just with more combat capabilities. I am saying he's a bad character, and is single handedly killing this anime for me. I can't really comment on Aiz as I am unaware of any source for her. She hardly counts as a main character for me. Seems like you missed(ignored) everything that happened prior to the minotaur fight then. Since the very first episode he has been growing, first faced with frustration and self-loathing because of his weakness (both physical an mental) he became desperate to change himself and recklessly put his live in massive danger, then made a vow with the resolve to risk his life constantly to archive his goals. Since then every fight has contributed to him building more confidence , while facing really dangerous situations he's victim of his own fear and doubts and even so he's overcome those feelings constantly improving. The minotaur scene is more than a badass fight, it shows that his resolve is more than “i want to be strong so that I can be with aiz”, and it has to do with whole “adventure” deal. It also was right after facing the apparent impossibility of reaching his goal, a thought later erased from his mind. If those are not examples of emotional growth the I don't know what they are. He's a character that has flaws and actually grows, nowadays that's strange. His “beta” personality is only shown with his interactions with others and for comedic relief, is not even that important in the first place(for now at least) and nothing to make a fuss about, but I get it if you can't tolerate it. There's plenty of room for his character to improve, but what has been done so far has been pretty decent. Maybe the anime hasn't done the best job possible to portray his growth(comparing it to that of the manga/LN) but I think that it has shown enough for you to connect the dots. I didn't miss or ignore it, I just lessened the amount of words used in the explanation. He didn't want to be so weak anymore. The fight was just the representation of that decision. It wasn't steady emotional growth; in the first episode they established the weak character and said character's dissatisfaction with being weak. Fighting the minotaur for the second time was just their way of showing the audience the true extent of his willingness to change his weakness. This trait was established in episode 1. Bell hasn't changed that much. Character inter-relations and dialogue are far to large of an aspect to dismiss. Hestia's crush is comedic relief, Bell's spineless personality (when not fighting) is simply obnoxious. It's also in part the way his development is handled. Take this episode. Bell is a skilled fighter, we know that. Yet he had to get his ass handed to him for a few minutes until he could prove as much. That's a common way to demonstrate a power-up (essentially, regardless of if the power existed), but it's overplayed and just serves as a cheap trick to not make characters seem over-powered. I can't think of a single aspect surrounding Bell that I actually like from this show. If you can accept that I just dislike him than I guess we've said all that needs to be said. I know and understand the character, I just dislike him with a vehement passion. |
CamTheThiefJun 20, 2015 9:20 PM
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Hirokasama said: I'm a little disappointed, in the LN Ryuu is a heavenly beauty.  |
Zefyris said: Take the time to read the explanation and you'll notice that this title's plot is, in fact, quite solid and logical. This episode's thread is the first one I've followed, so I'm sorry if this has been answered before somewhere else. I have 2 questions for you: 1. Since SAO was brought up anyway and you mentioned that the ratio was much better there, I also feel like everything was better explained in terms of characters' motivation, i.e. they are trapped in the game, they have to get through the levels to get out. However I feel there's something important missing from Danmachi adaptation if not the LN itself. What are the characters' motivation for going into Dungeon as adventurers? It seems so much like a game(like SAO, in fact), but it's not as if they were trapped there and had no choice. Yet the risk of fatal injuries is just as high and similarly there is no 'respawn'. So what's the point? Even if you were to say, oh there could be random monster attacks and people wanted to defend against them and hence level up to get stronger, then a Shingeki no Kyoujin system would be much more believable, i.e. have some kind of standing army with different organizational branches, while majority of the people just lived their daily lives in the safety of the town. 2. Not sure if this has been explained somewhere, but I really don't get what is the role of the gods. It seems like the norm is to cultivate a strong familia, but I don't get what is in it for the gods? It's like in Noragami it's very clear that without enough believers, the gods powers will decrease and eventually he/she will disappear. But it seems like here they could still lead a normal life by themselves. Also you said that activating their divine power will send them back to heaven. What I don't get is, what's so bad about that? o.o |
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| [quote=Zefyris] menel984345 said: Rather than a deus ex machina, this was foreshadowed multiple time and the first time is right in the first episode/novel. That's the exact contrary of a deus ex machina~ *facepalm* foreshadowing deus ex machina isn't the opposite of deus ex machina. Please look up what the meaning of foreshadowing is, because you don't understand it. Telling someone you're going to punch them in the face and then punching them in the face isn't the opposite of punching them in the face. It's bad writing and a lot of anime does it because most anime is written for 12-year-olds so they get away with it. It's still bad writing. |
LaughingGold said: Sword princess or a goddess hmmmm? Big boobed loli was badass in this episode and we got to see her divine power a bit. The cliffhanger at the end is killing me. Next episode needs bell being the badass that he is, killing some big monster, and getting hestia. Don't forget the elf, the supporter and every other female ever shown, heck, probably even Loki. Every woman is interested in him, no woman has prior attachments, standard completely unbelievable harem situation. |
Sokah said: LaughingGold said: Sword princess or a goddess hmmmm? Big boobed loli was badass in this episode and we got to see her divine power a bit. The cliffhanger at the end is killing me. Next episode needs bell being the badass that he is, killing some big monster, and getting hestia. Don't forget the elf, the supporter and every other female ever shown, heck, probably even Loki. Every woman is interested in him, no woman has prior attachments, standard completely unbelievable harem situation. You speak as if tagging 'harem' with 'completely unbelievable' is not redundant. So what's the point of this post? Telling people what they already know? If you don't like it then don't watch it. Simpur. because most anime is written for 12-year-olds I was going to explain what he meant when he said opposite of deus ex machina but then I saw that you wrote this and thought why waste my time -.- |
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DarcyD said: This show and it's plot holes and its random monsters and Bunny brat's constant ex-machina powers piss me off. He doesn't really work for half of the shit he got this entire season. Glad it's almost over. Hestia is so NOT bestia. And if Aiz wasn't so creepy I'd like her the most. There isn't a single ex machina power. And there is no plot holes, either. Feel free to ask for anything you think is deus ex machina or plot holes if you want. I probably already answered in a thread before, so probably won't even need to do more than copy pasting it to you~ Mich666 said: You can say this was nothing new but mind me, this was no simple aura as she clearly dropped down her tail-holders. She NEVER did that in the city.I fear their paradise is gonna be destroyed and her family disbanded That's because they over exaggerated this one in the anime, and never cared to talk about it in the city even though it's always talked about in the LN. In the anime, they only cared about making Hestia a moe target for the audience, and her god status is nothing more than an hindrance. As such, conversations where Hesita actually act more like a god than a girl in love are made "cuter" on purpose. For example, in the original material, the first conversation with Lili that she has clearly let feel in the LN that she's judging Lili as a god. In the anime, it just let you feel that Lili is a love rival for Hestia (that conversation is indeed supposed to go for that afterwards, but that actually surprise Lili, since it's like you were talking to a god judging you for your actions, and the next moment you're facing a jealous girl in love). So no, she didn't use anything that she didn't had the right to use. Hermes himself actually says it "Since Hestia started to use Shin'i". Shin'i is what I explained above. It's not a god power, it's simply their divine aura of authority. Sokah said: Zefyris said: Rather than a deus ex machina, this was foreshadowed multiple time and the first time is right in the first episode/novel. That's the exact contrary of a deus ex machina~ *facepalm* foreshadowing deus ex machina isn't the opposite of deus ex machina. Please look up what the meaning of foreshadowing is, because you don't understand it. Telling someone you're going to punch them in the face and then punching them in the face isn't the opposite of punching them in the face. It's bad writing and a lot of anime does it because most anime is written for 12-year-olds so they get away with it. It's still bad writing. telling many times since the start of the story that X can use Y power, having X using Y power again and again more precisely accross the volume, and then having X using Y power 5 volumes after the start again is the exact opposed of deus ex machina. I was using that word, you may not even have been born yet, so you should stop here with the definition. It's good writing actually, because it's putting a trial on the character that the character manage to overcome without exterior help and with only using what he already had as its disposition. I wish all anime were as good on this than what happened here. You're just refusing to admit that you didn't pay enough attention to understand what happened here. That sensibility is the only talent Bell has outside of what is given by his adventurer status, and it has always been the case since the start of the series. Sokah said: Don't forget the elf, the supporter and every other female ever shown, heck, probably even Loki. Every woman is interested in him, no woman has prior attachments, standard completely unbelievable harem situation. Most women are not. Up to volume 5, on characters that we see regularily around bell, there is : Naza is interested in Miach, Asufi is interested in Hermes, Mikoto is interested in Takemikaduchi, Chigusa is interested in Ouka, Hephaistios is interested in someone else but won't say who as it's a true spoiler, Loki is only interested in women, Tione is interested in Finne, Lefiya that we saw again this episode is interested in Ais (so same sex love again), Tiona doesn't seem to be really interested in anyone so far, and so are Riveria, Mia, Anya, Runoa and Misha. Just because the anime choose to lower the presence of some of those characters doesn't change that they're recurring characters around Bell. Without adding characters that we saw only once or twice, there's already 14. On Bell's side, on confirmed there is Hestia (because he gave her a family), Freiya (because of his soul color), Syr (because of Freiya, most probably), Lili (because he was a hero to her, to not enter into details). So 4 confirmed. On suspicious there is Ais (but mostly interested in his stats growth rather than in him. She admitted to herself that anyone not as strong as her cannot be her companion, so it's not going to develop any time soon), Eina (most probably her motherly side being active here with Bell behaving like a child around her, I don't think this one will ever lead to any proper romantic feeling), and Ryu (who probably mainly consider him as a worthy to be a companion and a friend rather than having romantic feelings, for what I see of her behaviour. She allows him to touch her hand, which is truly rare for an elf, and a proof that Bell is truly someone she trust, but doesn't seem to be in love). So 3. That make 7, and 7 important characters indeed, even by adding the suspicious ones. But like I said, I'm not sure that some of the suspicious ones are really having feelings for him right now. This is harem story, but that's hardly as important as you make it sounds. YEs those 7 are among the characters we saw the most (although like I said, part of this is due to lots of scenes being suppressed from the anime version), but since we're following Bell, if they have feeling for him, isn't it logical that we see them more often that all the others that aren't interested? ~ Also, among the 4 confirmed, there's syr, who may just be a consequence of Freiya and therefore shouldn't be counted as a "confirmed" but rather as a special case. |
ZefyrisJun 21, 2015 3:33 AM
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| Episode that does not deserve so much honor, because there is not much if we want to be impartial. Narration would not say confusing, but varied it. In a table spread, the authors, it is as if they had tried to give us a taste of all the dishes without satiate us with any of them, this is the impression I got modestly. The clash was the event most magnetizing, but graphically it was also the least cared. But not only that part was affected by a decline in the quality of the drawings. The cliffhanger is interesting, I expect an upcoming episode much more engaging in terms of the action. Plot still outstanding, where we want to go? Hestia hits, when the play begins. |
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kuity said: Zefyris said: Take the time to read the explanation and you'll notice that this title's plot is, in fact, quite solid and logical. This episode's thread is the first one I've followed, so I'm sorry if this has been answered before somewhere else. I have 2 questions for you: 1. Since SAO was brought up anyway and you mentioned that the ratio was much better there, I also feel like everything was better explained in terms of characters' motivation, i.e. they are trapped in the game, they have to get through the levels to get out. However I feel there's something important missing from Danmachi adaptation if not the LN itself. What are the characters' motivation for going into Dungeon as adventurers? It seems so much like a game(like SAO, in fact), but it's not as if they were trapped there and had no choice. Yet the risk of fatal injuries is just as high and similarly there is no 'respawn'. So what's the point? Even if you were to say, oh there could be random monster attacks and people wanted to defend against them and hence level up to get stronger, then a Shingeki no Kyoujin system would be much more believable, i.e. have some kind of standing army with different organizational branches, while majority of the people just lived their daily lives in the safety of the town. Peoples have, like IRL, different motivations for doing the same thing, but one of the most common is gaining money. Lot of peoples who become adventurers where already trained as warriors/fighters/smith/and so on before coming in Oratorio, and came here because it's the best place to earn money from the monsters drop, and by very far. For example, Takemikaduchi familia are all orphans that were living in an orphanage under Takemikaduchi and Tsukuyomi in a country called "far east". There are far more orphans back in the far east, Takemikaduchi just came here with the few of them that were the best at his fighting and ninjutsu training he gave them (Since takemikaduchi is something like a god of battle in Danmachi, he trained those who wished to learn since they were little). Problem that made them come here is that the orphanage doesn't have enough money to survive at all. So they're here to progress and gain more and mroe money, sending it back to the orphanage until there's enough so that the crisis can be avoided. Lili is the same. Born in the Soma familia, therefore she was part of the Soma familia without a choice. And needs ton of money to escape from it (when I say tons, it would be more than enough to buy an estate with it and there would still be money left), the best choice is the dungeon, again. Other adventurers from the Soma familia, as you saw, do it for money, but because a huge amount of money will allow them to drink Soma's alcohol. Bell in comparison came for very childish reasons. He was raised by his adoptive grandpa, who kept talking and providing him fairy tales about heroes, so he want to be one by becoming an adventurer. Also, while not being very sure of what this is, his grandpa also said that he should go for a harem, so he's goign for it by trying to have girls failing in love to him after saving them. Well, until he encountered Ais in a exact reverse of what he believed in and no longer think of this as a priority :p. Right now, he only wants to catch up to her. Some peoples, like the smiths, come for a very good reason as well. By becoming level 2, you get as an adventurer skills that can only be acquired by levelling up. For smiths, they will get among other choices at level 2 the "smith" skill. Which boost on a supernatural level what they can do as smith. Without that skill, they were smith. With it, they're "high smith". That's the very reason Welf asked to be part of Bell's group btw. Lots of magical weapons can only be done with the appropriate skills. For example, the Maken can only be done with a skill (Crozzo has a specific one that he could get for Crozzo's maken earleir than level 2 but it comes from his blood, special case), and lots of other things too. For example, Asufi can craft lots of powerful magical object (like that invisibility helm you saw this episode) because of a rare skill. And so on. So for smith, being in an Oratorio familia means getting rare ingredients as well as getting skills that will open new possibilities in their work. Those new possibilities usually sell for tons of money compared to the normal ones, too. Same for potion brewers for example, like Naza from the Miah familia(an interesting character who was unfortunately almost completely deleted from the anime, even though she's often seen in the LN, and ahs quite an interesting past and personality). Some peoples surely came here for more power. It has been established that while anyone can receive an adventurer status from gods even outside of Oratorio, it is extremely difficult to raise from level outside of the dungeon, simply due to the lack of powerful enemies to hunt down. So if as a fighter, mage, or whatever, you desire for higher capacities, coming here is a given. Ryu came for a complete other reason. She was disliking the fact that her own kind was racist toward anyone who's not elf. So after leaving her own kind, she came to Oratorio, which is the best place in the word to have all the race actually living together without refusing the other races. There, she was highly disappointed with herself by discovering that she could not bear the fact of being touched by another race. Her who always disliked those things from her own kind, discovered with sadness that she wasn't able to stop herself from acting just the same. kuity said: 2. Not sure if this has been explained somewhere, but I really don't get what is the role of the gods. It seems like the norm is to cultivate a strong familia, but I don't get what is in it for the gods? It's like in Noragami it's very clear that without enough believers, the gods powers will decrease and eventually he/she will disappear. But it seems like here they could still lead a normal life by themselves. Also you said that activating their divine power will send them back to heaven. What I don't get is, what's so bad about that? o.o The gods came to earth for a very simple reason : they lived for thousand of years and were absolutely bored of their heavenly life. So they devised a new game, which consist in coming to earth, sealing their own power completely, only allowed to pass contract with mortals and giving them status. That status starts from zero and will move forward with "family myths" IE, what the family does. Not all gods went the same way. Some simply searched to have a stronger familia so that they have the money to do whatever they want again and live in debauchery. Some wanted power, and made their own familia rise at the head of a country (Like the warmonger god Ares in the country close to Oratorio, called Rakia). Some took in mortals that where aspiring for the same "jobs" as they are the god of, like Hephaistios and Goibniu with Smitth, and so on. Some are ok with being poor and strugle, too, like Takemikaduchi who built an orphanage as said above,r ather than trying to go for power of money. For gods, the life as a powerless being on earth is full of interesting new experience. That's also why they're so interested in anything out of ordinary, like they would for Bell's skill, and like they are for Bell's speed to reach level 2. So, what's in for gods? Not being bored for as long as they can continue that game. That's why there is so many of them who has come down. Using their power meaning being permanently banned from earth. So back to boredom. And also, it has been hinted that it's a way to escape from some task (like dealing with the mortals' souls after their death for example) they'll have to do if in Heaven. They're pushing all the work a god has to do and all the boredom to those in heaven and are having unlimited fun times with new experiences every day. |
ZefyrisJun 21, 2015 3:46 AM
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| We need two different Series Discussions for this series: 1 - Danmachi for LN readers 2 - Danmachi for anime viewers who haven't read and never will read the LNs I'm in group 2 and from my p.o.v. this series has been ordinary at best. |
| ^ Strictly speaking that is not correct. Because I fall in the category of an anime viewer who might be interested to pick up the LN if I think it will be worth the time. @Zefyris I see, I must say it's quite a good thought experiment, of flipping the premise of what is a 'real world' and what is a 'game world'. Takes it one step further than SAO because the 'game world' IS the 'real world' here. Thanks for the detailed explanation. Stuff makes more sense now. |
| There's two kinds of people you can't win an argument against: One - Too dumb to tell right from wrong. Two - Too stubborn to admit they are wrong. |
| Wow.... uhhh. I'm not usually a fan of the fanservice... but in this show, the way it was handled... How the girls weren't screaming or upset, they were just like, "Oh hey! You surprised us! Come on in though" That was kinda refreshing. The dark back story of elf girl was super obvious. it was horrible, but we all saw it coming a mile away. And i really dont think Hestia needed to release her aura thing there... Bell could have easily taken that guy once he was visible. |
| Be sure to message me if you quoted me and want me to respond! Just give me a link to the forum, because usually I leave my comment, then leave the forum. |
| Can't believe its the last episode next week T___T |
| Seeing all the LN comparisons make this anime look horrid. Regardless, this was a predictable episode. Need to read the LN. |
| When Ryu was saying "Let me tell you a story" with all those weapons buried in the ground it kinda give me FFX vibes. Kinda. I knew Hermes was the one who set that up although his intention's aren't as sinister as I thought. Thought he'd be working for the silver-haired Goddess who's obsessed with Bell. Bell learns fast...but is that a result of his ability/skill or is he just that good? I wanted Bell to wreck that guys shit though. He almost had him too if the fight went on, just mount him and starting smashing his face in. But that'd never happen with Bell lol. Hestia looked pretty intimidating when she was in Godmode/Kaioken although her going into Kaioken was probably what attracted the Skull monster. Gotta be why gods aren't allowed in the dungeon. |
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