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| So their exam involve taking on a Depth 8 beast but there are also other rules that goes with the task. They also raised the stakes of the exam with party being disbanded for the losers. Yikes. Noel's reaction is natural given what Leon proposed. Alma sure knows how to make an entrance lol. Guess we're getting the conclusion of that fight/exam next time. |
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Turns out friendship is the real enemy all along.One of the few instances where childhood friendship dynamic exploited in such a cleverly vile way. |
| Genuinely felt horrible for Leon and the Winged Knights because Noel thoroughly broke them mentally. Having them turn on one another to bridge the skill gap was brilliant but cruel considering how close everyone in that group is. Like Keim stabbing Leon was so hard to watch. It really sucks it had to be them that Blue Beyond fight against for the right to form a clan. Wish it would’ve been a group of bad guys, but at the end of the day that’s kinda what separates this story from the other dark fantasies. Noel is morally grey and willing to do whatever to accomplish his goals. Even things we as the audience might hate. Leon was so nice dude was literally apologising to Noel after Noel disrespected Leon and his party multiple times last week and even today. He’s too noble for the sort of games Noel likes to play 💔 hopefully there’s some way that at least some of the winged knight members could be incorporated into blue beyond so their careers aren’t totally cooked. Hard to believe next week’s the finale man where tf did this season go?! |
Marinate1016Dec 9, 2024 11:25 AM
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| Honestly, I don't think this could have gone much better. As soon as the reading mind things came I knew was gonna be some speed-force brain type thing. Noel honestly didn't do much. The party didn't have to become a clan NOW and... yeah. Leader doesn't want to kill, mate wants leader to trust so much that can evade an AOE SUPER MOVE. They messed up the moment they accepted this challenge. I'm on leader's side, his mates are bloody mental and I'm disappointed because I thought Keim or whatever was cool. Like what he says makes some sense, and being hurt makes sense, but dude... |
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Reply to tarfeef101
kinda felt like Leon's group deteriorated a bit too quickly, guess that's just a side effect of how they want to pace the show. went from tight knit group to totally discordant in a couple minutes. that conversation could've lasted a couple more minutes to give it more progression, maybe had a "you were blinded by your strength to hold your own that you didn't realize your companions were being hurt" aspect to it or something, didn't feel quite earned as depicted IMO
| @tarfeef101 yeah it was really dumb and doesn't make sense. One dude being mentally hurt makes sense but otherwise... Leon only didn't want to kill them... They are mad at Leon when they are literally doing the same thing of trusting Noel more than each other... It doesn't really make sense and I don't blame Noel for this collapse, yeah he didn't have to do it and could have just beat the beast, but he also didn't really do anything. All the collapse is on Winged Knights. |
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| Man, Noel really is a bad@$$ - that psychological trick he pulled on the other team really shows that he's been trained to a fair-thee-well by Overdeath. |
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| Noel san is not joking he is too clever it was a good ep |
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| Love the way Noel can manipulate things to his own benefit so easily. I was trying to think of how Blue Beyond would come ahead in this situation but Noel brought up a good point. If there is one talented member and 3 duds then the talented guy will carry the duds like baggage until they cant be carried anymore and then the party fell apart. |
| The point is that all his party mates are already at peak, and Leon can still grow, so he doesn't care about the rest of the party, there's no point in taking a bunch of average joes for the quantity, especially since buffing a lot of dudes, I suppose, isn't that easy, so you only need to take the tops of the ladder. Besides, all these tertiary characters are purely figurants against the background of Noel, and are only needed to emphasise the rigidity and steadfastness of him. I mean, their future is not so important, these characters will be forgotten by morning, except that the lively elf girl could be kept for contrast and then punished by all the canons of hentai, but this title is not about that. |
| Great episode, he's absolutely mindbreaker, he was controllling their enemy's mind, thinking out of the box from the beginning. |
| Stollen still as vicious as ever; not sure where he's going with this but I really can't root for the guy because he's so underhanded. I seriously don't like this MC, and honestly I don't see any redeeming qualities in him. |
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i love it! Thats the best anime i've ever seen i can't wait for the next episode bc end of the 11th was so exciting!
| @Alimeggie_ Agreed, this was one of the best episodes I've seen this season for the seasonals I'm watching. Noel and his 2 teammates are now operating like a well-oiled machine whereas the veteran group Winged Knights collapsed from suddenly not trusting each other which is thanks to Noel's mind games. My only complaint (not really) is that there is only one episode remaining and I'm curious to see who else Noel will incorporate into his group as there's still that guy in prison plus I'm wondering if anyone from Winged Knights will join. |
| Noel had them in the palm of his hand from the beginning. He played that party and have them break. Blue Beyond had a great strategy to fight the Dantalion. |
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tarfeef101 said: kinda felt like Leon's group deteriorated a bit too quickly, guess that's just a side effect of how they want to pace the show. went from tight knit group to totally discordant in a couple minutes. that conversation could've lasted a couple more minutes to give it more progression, maybe had a "you were blinded by your strength to hold your own that you didn't realize your companions were being hurt" aspect to it or something, didn't feel quite earned as depicted IMO Yes, you’re right. This pacing works as well, given the 12-episode limit. It gets the point across efficiently. While I see the appeal of dedicating 5-7 minutes to showing their teamwork and camaraderie breaking down, I find the current pacing serviceable. The issue with Leon is that the "right thing" is solely based on his perspective. He refuses to consider what the "right thing" might mean for others. |
elkensteyin said: Man, Noel really is a bad@$$ - that psychological trick he pulled on the other team really shows that he's been trained to a fair-thee-well by Overdeath. I don’t think it was a trick. It felt like a pure, well-made, and carefully calculated observation. Leon is devoted to doing the "right thing." That principle works in theory, but in the chaos of real life and frontline combat, the "right thing" can differ for each person. Life is relative. Failing to consider others' perspectives and account for them when making decisions for the entire group shows a lack of effective leadership. |
Kol0w said: I like this episode but I don't understand why everyone in Leon's group suddenly now while they're already in the test, tell everyone else about what Noel said to each of them. Don't know why keim felt the need to stab Leon either, unless that will be explained the next episode. Noel’s observation about Leon was sharp and truthful—Leon will always act to preserve what he believes is the "right thing," regardless of others' views. Deep down, Leon’s party members knew this about him. That’s why Noel’s words hit so hard—they forced them to confront a truth they were already aware of. Feeling guilty, they discussed it among themselves, not because they thought Noel was wrong, but because they wanted to believe he was. It’s human nature to cling to comforting lies rather than face harsh realities, even when those truths are undeniable. |
Alfredo-Sauce said: @Alimeggie_ Agreed, this was one of the best episodes I've seen this season for the seasonals I'm watching. Noel and his 2 teammates are now operating like a well-oiled machine whereas the veteran group Winged Knights collapsed from suddenly not trusting each other which is thanks to Noel's mind games. My only complaint (not really) is that there is only one episode remaining and I'm curious to see who else Noel will incorporate into his group as there's still that guy in prison plus I'm wondering if anyone from Winged Knights will join. I believe they will answer your questions in a second season, and like many others, I’d love to see it continue. However, we have to be cautious when hoping for sequels these days, as many have ended up disappointing with poor adaptations that ruined the story. |
Reply to amf85
Forcing the losing group to disband is good for raising the stakes of the anime but doesn't make any sense for the actual world in the show. We know they need to defeat this upcoming big bad, but they also need lots of groups to continue to take on monsters everywhere else. Needlessly breaking a talented group doesn't make any sense.
It's much the same as organizations where in order to advance in the ranks you have to duel to the death, which is a farking terrible idea that will result in an organization with no people in it.
Some ideas sound cool only until you actually think about it.
Also agree with others here in the thread, Leon's party fell apart in a way that felt forced and unnatural. Leon's plan made sense and was clearly the better option for their team, but they treated it as him betraying them.
Finally, the Dantelion seemed incredibly weak to Noel's particular strategist specialization (hyper fast thought), which makes me think the Guild dude rigged this contest in Noel's favor.
It's much the same as organizations where in order to advance in the ranks you have to duel to the death, which is a farking terrible idea that will result in an organization with no people in it.
Some ideas sound cool only until you actually think about it.
Also agree with others here in the thread, Leon's party fell apart in a way that felt forced and unnatural. Leon's plan made sense and was clearly the better option for their team, but they treated it as him betraying them.
Finally, the Dantelion seemed incredibly weak to Noel's particular strategist specialization (hyper fast thought), which makes me think the Guild dude rigged this contest in Noel's favor.
| @amf85 Yeah I thought this too. It doesn't make any sense for them to be angry at him to ask for help at an enemy they can't really beat. Not only that, but they really didn't think through their plan to deal with this monster at all which is weird. No strategy or anything until they're already losing |
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| I like the episode, but damn! We will only know the aftermath of the test in the finale. They'll probably include the Winged Knights in Leon's clan. It needs a season 2. |
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Reply to amf85
Forcing the losing group to disband is good for raising the stakes of the anime but doesn't make any sense for the actual world in the show. We know they need to defeat this upcoming big bad, but they also need lots of groups to continue to take on monsters everywhere else. Needlessly breaking a talented group doesn't make any sense.
It's much the same as organizations where in order to advance in the ranks you have to duel to the death, which is a farking terrible idea that will result in an organization with no people in it.
Some ideas sound cool only until you actually think about it.
Also agree with others here in the thread, Leon's party fell apart in a way that felt forced and unnatural. Leon's plan made sense and was clearly the better option for their team, but they treated it as him betraying them.
Finally, the Dantelion seemed incredibly weak to Noel's particular strategist specialization (hyper fast thought), which makes me think the Guild dude rigged this contest in Noel's favor.
It's much the same as organizations where in order to advance in the ranks you have to duel to the death, which is a farking terrible idea that will result in an organization with no people in it.
Some ideas sound cool only until you actually think about it.
Also agree with others here in the thread, Leon's party fell apart in a way that felt forced and unnatural. Leon's plan made sense and was clearly the better option for their team, but they treated it as him betraying them.
Finally, the Dantelion seemed incredibly weak to Noel's particular strategist specialization (hyper fast thought), which makes me think the Guild dude rigged this contest in Noel's favor.
| @amf85 Let me explain about Episode 11: |
| The special clan qualification test between Blue Beyond and Winged Knights to defeat a Dantalion, for the victor will see their clan be formed and the loser their party disbanded, under the witness of guildmaster Harold Jenkins, the fight is on between the leaderships of Leon and Noel. Between fellow Seekers, this is a fight that determines progress or regression. Noel starting the test off...with having lunch with Alma and Koga, after quite the psychological betrayal of the members turning against Leon, but this is different than those who came before it, and even with the plan concocted alongside Harold, it won't be easy triumphing over a group who is loyal to their rightful talented leader. The Winged Knights having first dips against the cursed monkey dantalion, but Blue Beyond is just waiting for the right moment to strike when the time is right. But compared to the ajatar that made them a household name, the dantalion tests their resolve, and by choosing to join forces, Leon becomes the betrayal like what Noel planned just to save everyone's face. If anything, this is NOT the right move he has to right at the moment, and acting on it only meant that he betrayed the trust of the rest, leaving Noel and the rest to catch up and continue the work to defeat the chimp. What goes around, comes around. Noel's psychological warning out of compassion in the midst of intimidation does the trick, but the trickery is the mastery. |
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Reply to Liental
Marinate1016 said:
Genuinely felt horrible for Leon and the Winged Knights because Noel thoroughly broke them mentally. Having them turn on one another to bridge the skill gap was brilliant but cruel considering how close everyone in that group is. Like Keim stabbing Leon was so hard to watch. It really sucks it had to be them that Blue Beyond fight against for the right to form a clan.
Wish it would’ve been a group of bad guys, but at the end of the day that’s kinda what separates this story from the other dark fantasies. Noel is morally grey and willing to do whatever to accomplish his goals. Even things we as the audience might hate.
Leon was so nice dude was literally apologising to Noel after Noel disrespected Leon and his party multiple times last week and even today. He’s too noble for the sort of games Noel likes to play 💔 hopefully there’s some way that at least some of the winged knight members could be incorporated into blue beyond so their careers aren’t totally cooked.
Hard to believe next week’s the finale man where tf did this season go?!
Genuinely felt horrible for Leon and the Winged Knights because Noel thoroughly broke them mentally. Having them turn on one another to bridge the skill gap was brilliant but cruel considering how close everyone in that group is. Like Keim stabbing Leon was so hard to watch. It really sucks it had to be them that Blue Beyond fight against for the right to form a clan.
Wish it would’ve been a group of bad guys, but at the end of the day that’s kinda what separates this story from the other dark fantasies. Noel is morally grey and willing to do whatever to accomplish his goals. Even things we as the audience might hate.
Leon was so nice dude was literally apologising to Noel after Noel disrespected Leon and his party multiple times last week and even today. He’s too noble for the sort of games Noel likes to play 💔 hopefully there’s some way that at least some of the winged knight members could be incorporated into blue beyond so their careers aren’t totally cooked.
Hard to believe next week’s the finale man where tf did this season go?!
I hope you know, it was always going to be the Winged Knights that Noel would target. He wanted Leon in his party and when it comes to things that he wants he will use any methods at his disposal which reminds me of Griffith. That's why he sent in a fake guild letter to all the members of the Winged Knights that he forged from the guild sending a genuine one to him. To create the whole situation to force Winged Knights into this trial so they could be forced into disbanding their party while also leaving all the members mentally satisfied in leaving one another as they see each other's ugly side exposed to sully the precious relationships they had with one another.
To fully target Leon in making his own party betray him to get Leon to fall into despair which afterwards he will on his knees for Noel to invite him into Blue Beyond. With the whole rank up of Noel to be a strategist too, this is all premeditated. With him being able to see future events. Which is why even Alma calls Noel out for being vile when he talks about how he is going to get Leon into Blue Beyond in the previous ep.
You shouldn't hate the player, hate the game you lost. I respect Noel he's clearly cut from a different cloth in every way. With the characters expressing it in their words and actions. He has bigger ambitions, bigger drive yet is stuck with the weakest class that isn't able to be a frontman of a party. Which he wasn't like at all as a kid, weak and lacked confidence until Overdeath changed him. We haven't met any other talker but you can assume there is no other talker like Noel currently. While you may not like Noel's actions you can't argue that he's one of the most competent seekers you'll meet in this world and so long you don't cross him, or get in his way. You can have a friendly relationship with Noel. Noel still has a heart for how he was comforting Walter at the bar and also seeing him off with his favorite whiskey. While also making a frown lamenting Walter just wasn't cut out for the seeker life but still has talent. Which goes with how Noel states I reflect what people give to me and I reflect 10x more to the people that betray me.
| @Liental "so long you don't cross him, or get in his way. You can have a friendly relationship with Noel" Isn't this the exact opposite of what happened here though? The Winged Knights were minding their own business and would have been happy yet Noel destroyed all that for the sake of his ambition. |
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| this episode is banger !! |
| While the betrayal was a major focus of the episode, Noel's plan still hinged on the fact that the other party wouldn't be able to beat the enemy, while their "inferior" (at least from an all-round perspective) party can best the monster through their specific strengths which makes the enemy of choice seem very rigged as others have already suggested. That also means that Noel's intentions regarding the betrayal will be clearer after the battle. The set-up was nice for the betrayal, but the team turned on Leon way too quickly. It was surprising to see how all 3 simultaneously considered it a betrayal the moment Leon suggested working with the other party. Especially the elf and the wolf's reactions. Since that part of the episode was so critical, I wish they'd have spent more time for it. |
Liental said: Marinate1016 said: Genuinely felt horrible for Leon and the Winged Knights because Noel thoroughly broke them mentally. Having them turn on one another to bridge the skill gap was brilliant but cruel considering how close everyone in that group is. Like Keim stabbing Leon was so hard to watch. It really sucks it had to be them that Blue Beyond fight against for the right to form a clan. Wish it would’ve been a group of bad guys, but at the end of the day that’s kinda what separates this story from the other dark fantasies. Noel is morally grey and willing to do whatever to accomplish his goals. Even things we as the audience might hate. Leon was so nice dude was literally apologising to Noel after Noel disrespected Leon and his party multiple times last week and even today. He’s too noble for the sort of games Noel likes to play 💔 hopefully there’s some way that at least some of the winged knight members could be incorporated into blue beyond so their careers aren’t totally cooked. Hard to believe next week’s the finale man where tf did this season go?! I hope you know, it was always going to be the Winged Knights that Noel would target. He wanted Leon in his party and when it comes to things that he wants he will use any methods at his disposal which reminds me of Griffith. That's why he sent in a fake guild letter to all the members of the Winged Knights that he forged from the guild sending a genuine one to him. To create the whole situation to force Winged Knights into this trial so they could be forced into disbanding their party while also leaving all the members mentally satisfied in leaving one another as they see each other's ugly side exposed to sully the precious relationships they had with one another. To fully target Leon in making his own party betray him to get Leon to fall into despair which afterwards he will on his knees for Noel to invite him into Blue Beyond. With the whole rank up of Noel to be a strategist too, this is all premeditated. With him being able to see future events. Which is why even Alma calls Noel out for being vile when he talks about how he is going to get Leon into Blue Beyond in the previous ep. You shouldn't hate the player, hate the game you lost. I respect Noel he's clearly cut from a different cloth in every way. With the characters expressing it in their words and actions. He has bigger ambitions, bigger drive yet is stuck with the weakest class that isn't able to be a frontman of a party. Which he wasn't like at all as a kid, weak and lacked confidence until Overdeath changed him. We haven't met any other talker but you can assume there is no other talker like Noel currently. While you may not like Noel's actions you can't argue that he's one of the most competent seekers you'll meet in this world and so long you don't cross him, or get in his way. You can have a friendly relationship with Noel. Noel still has a heart for how he was comforting Walter at the bar and also seeing him off with his favorite whiskey. While also making a frown lamenting Walter just wasn't cut out for the seeker life but still has talent. Which goes with how Noel states I reflect what people give to me and I reflect 10x more to the people that betray me. Not reading allat ngl but yea like I said it’s messed up how Noel does shit but it does make him interesting and separates this series from others |
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| This show has been entertaining to the end, and with this fight, It seems he will have his clan. But dang... ending the fight before they finish off the beast, anime does this too many times 😅 Although I'll be back next week for me. |
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| Leon did nothing wrong his party is tripping |
| a good episode as always, the handling was very good |
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| Why did leon had to be the sus character SMH |
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