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Mar 18, 2024 8:43 AM
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I was looking through my edgy images folder and came across this one. Do you agree with what's written here?

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Mar 18, 2024 8:49 AM
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Sounds more like a convenient excuse to stay low :P including myself

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Mar 18, 2024 8:57 AM
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Self-improvement is an awful trend that sparked from years of SNS outlets becoming more mainstream. Just be yourself and stay away from posting something frequently on SNS.
Mar 18, 2024 9:05 AM
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kicking myself for replyng to bait but...no? There's a completely unreasonable level of self hatred and general contempt towards others in the original post. This just reads as someone feeling cheated out of the live they think they should have had.
Mar 18, 2024 9:05 AM
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If you (as in anyone) don't want to improve yourself (and your life) at all, that's just pathetic.
Mar 18, 2024 9:12 AM
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Height, face, and sex are the 3 factors that determine your treatment your entire life so it is genetical predertimination on what your fate will be. If you are a man who spun low height, you are playing on the highest difficulty confirming getting bullied for life and being a inkwell. Self improvement has its limits. Just like dbdr who is a gymcel despite trying to looksmax, and even is very fit. Is self improvement a meme? Getting fit is not, but trying to not be short and ugly is.
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Mar 18, 2024 9:22 AM
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i feel its a spectrum and not black and white alone so self improvement is important but not on severe or extreme cases of genetic shits like it said
Mar 18, 2024 9:23 AM
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I disagree with this person. Self-improvement is real, quitting drugs or bad habits isn't genetic nor is it the 'natural flow of life, nor falling into such habits is. Playing sports for 'fun' is self-improvement even if the person doesn't view it as such, sports improve health, looks, and self-esteem, and help with weight management, no one lost their weight 'naturally' they all made a decision and a plan to do so.

this c*&# is just a pitiful excuse of a human being, but what did you expect? this was posted on 4chan after all.
"Beautiful people are not always good, but good people are always beautiful." ~ Ali ibn Abi Talib
Mar 18, 2024 10:36 AM
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Here's lil quote from wiki - Personal development or self-improvement consists of activities that develop a person's capabilities and potential, build human capital, facilitate employability, enhance quality of life, and facilitate the realization of dreams and aspirations.

Aswell as Self improvment is highly related to Education and helps with:
Knowledge, Awareness, Learning skills, improving health, helping with career etc.

Sometimes there's posibilities that the business/working place will seek out on their own for their potential future employee by organising and visiting such places like Universities or organising conferences.


Improvment is mainly related with work, quality of that work, quality of your sanity and health.
It ain't that much related with relationship, it might even not being related at all.
Someone who posted it on 4chan just was butthurted that he couldn't find a girlfriend by himself and rantes that bs.

Mar 18, 2024 10:54 AM

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More like one giant grift of self improvement books and seminars and video series etc

You should be who you want to be and do what you want to do. Well unless it causes too many problems for others in a direct way then dont like go around being a serial killer or something but you get what i mean.
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Mar 18, 2024 11:02 AM
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I agree it is a meme in terms of it being a hackneyed sentiment pushed and accepted on social media without any real thought as to what it actually means. Emphasis on self-improvement is associated with the toxic positivity of social media. In short, this is a social media movement or trend where positive aphorism and attitudes are promoted to an aggrandizing idea that ignores the validity of negative emotions as well as the circumstances from which those emotions may arise.

In short, you cannot simply tell people with depression to not be depressed. And feeling sad occasionally is natural because the world can really suck at times.

At the same time, I do think self-improvement or the desire to be better is a perfectly natural and healthy sentiment to embrace.
Mar 18, 2024 11:56 AM

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Self improvement can be fun though.

I like my new exercise routine I do. Not super strict but the idea is to push myself. Not bulking obviously but I'm toning myself.

Also a calorie counter app too since it will help me math.

Trying to make myself sexy again.



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Mar 18, 2024 12:28 PM

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Ejrodiew said:
I was looking through my edgy images folder

What else do you have in there?

I'm just gonna ignore the image you posted to write how I perceived this trend. The self-improvement hype started off as a good thing. Working out, studying more, spending less time on social media, etc. But then it became this toxic movement of making fun of people who don't have a well trained body, don't have lots of money and work a regular 9 to 5. I still get TikToks that are like "Huh? You wanna go to collage just to end up working as some little bitch for a boss who doesn't give a fuck about you? You ain't no man." and that is really unfortunate.

If you're not happy with your life as it is, you should aspire to improve it. You want to be more fit? Go to the gym. You want better grades? Study more and properly. You want a partner? Go and meet people. If you have to do multiple things in order to achieve one thing, then that's how it is. Good things are not easy to get.
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PeripheralVision said:
In short, this is a social media movement or trend where positive aphorism and attitudes are promoted to an aggrandizing idea that ignores the validity of negative emotions as well as the circumstances from which those emotions may arise.
Not just social media, also irl expressing a bad mood quickly leads to getting labeled as a grouch.
I don't mind people being in a good mood, but I dislike omnipresent positivity fanaticism.
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Mar 18, 2024 1:59 PM

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What else do you have in there?

The world may never know.­­­­­
Mar 18, 2024 4:54 PM

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This was among the most painful things I ever read.
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Mar 18, 2024 5:01 PM
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Yes, despite what many ignorant people with wishful thinking want to believe.

Scott Alexander, the author of Astral Codex Ten (formerly Slate Star Codex) wrote about this issue:
https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/you-dont-hate-polyamory-you-hate

Advice is disproportionately written by defective people. Healthy people perform naturally and effortlessly. You walk so gracefully that a million man-hours into bipedal robots fail to match your skill. But if some stroke patient or precocious one-year-old asked your secret, you would just say “I put one foot in front of the other.”

If you want good advice about how to walk, ask someone with cerebral palsy. They experience walking as a constant battle to overcome their natural constitution, and so accumulate tips and tricks throughout their lives. Or ask a physical therapist who works with these people and studies them. Just don’t ask someone you see walking especially briskly down the street.


There are enough dysfunctional people in this world. Look at ThatAnimeSnob, for example (this is not a joke, he is just a textbook example). The reason is not that such people simply do not want to, they simply can't. There are many factors in our lives that influence us and which are simply out of our control. Every experienced sports coach would tell you that it is shocking how little time some athletes need to grow muscles, every math college professor would tell you that some (many!) students are simply unable to learn math no matter how hard they try because they are simply not smart enough. Some people are just not made to enjoy this life.
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I lost brain cells while reading this sad post.
"Genetic dead end socially outcasted low status loser" - what kind of incel talk is this.


Overall, I'm pretty happy with myself and don't feel the constant need to better myself. There are just specific things I want to learn or improve.
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Think about the type of people who use 4chan lol even if he is baiting he is definitely self projecting
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Nihilism and self pity is more of a meme than striving to improve and be happy. You will inevitably be a burden on yourself and others of you buy into this line of thinking.
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PeripheralVision said:
I agree it is a meme in terms of it being a hackneyed sentiment pushed and accepted on social media without any real thought as to what it actually means. Emphasis on self-improvement is associated with the toxic positivity of social media. In short, this is a social media movement or trend where positive aphorism and attitudes are promoted to an aggrandizing idea that ignores the validity of negative emotions as well as the circumstances from which those emotions may arise.

In short, you cannot simply tell people with depression to not be depressed. And feeling sad occasionally is natural because the world can really suck at times.

At the same time, I do think self-improvement or the desire to be better is a perfectly natural and healthy sentiment to embrace.

I'm kind of not allowed to say or feel anything negative around one friend and she will downplay any actual worries I have and just say all the wrong things.
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PeripheralVision said:
I agree it is a meme in terms of it being a hackneyed sentiment pushed and accepted on social media without any real thought as to what it actually means. Emphasis on self-improvement is associated with the toxic positivity of social media. In short, this is a social media movement or trend where positive aphorism and attitudes are promoted to an aggrandizing idea that ignores the validity of negative emotions as well as the circumstances from which those emotions may arise.

In short, you cannot simply tell people with depression to not be depressed. And feeling sad occasionally is natural because the world can really suck at times.

At the same time, I do think self-improvement or the desire to be better is a perfectly natural and healthy sentiment to embrace.

I'm kind of not allowed to say or feel anything negative around one friend and she will downplay any actual worries I have and just say all the wrong things.
traed said:
I'm kind of not allowed to say or feel anything negative around one friend and she will downplay any actual worries I have and just say all the wrong things


That sucks, though I am amused that she apparently says all the wrong things, as if she was going down the bad route in a visual novel. I think people can define friends a tad bit more loosely than ourselves. I call this "fair weather friendship" personally. It sucks, but it is just something to deal with, mainly by lowering my expectations.

Zarutaku said:
Not just social media, also irl expressing a bad mood quickly leads to getting labeled as a grouch.
I don't mind people being in a good mood, but I dislike omnipresent positivity fanaticism.


My pet peeve is when someone is crying and the response is "do not cry". Mister Rogers explains it best.

“People have said “Don’t cry” to other people for years and years, and all it has ever meant is “I’m too uncomfortable when you show your feelings: don’t cry.” I’d rather have them say, “Go ahead and cry. I’m here to be with you.”


My other pet peeve is the generic nature of these adages means that they are applied without regards to the situations or the people within them. I see it as a part of the larger "hustle" culture people have where influencers flex at how wealthy they are from following these ten easy steps or the breakfast routine of Warren Buffett (Note his name is not Buffet, so why go to him for breakfast?).

While I do think a key part of overall success is within our grasp, a key part of this is defining success broadly. For me, I may not get into MIT, but I can certainly go to another prestigious doctorate program in my field. I don't consider myself a failure for not attending MIT or Stanford; I might not have done everything I wanted to the way that I wanted to, but I still have a good life.

After all, you can do everything right and still "lose". That is not weakness, that is life. This optimistic can-do attitude has a purpose, but like with anything, stupid people take it too far, shove it in our faces as if to brag, and we are left with a message that vilifies vulnerability, weakness, and failure, the type of things people do not show on social media until after they conquered it in some feel-good Instagram story.

I understand wanting to feel in complete control of our lives, but I see much of it as an actual scam of perpetually chasing the bag.
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Well, I do believe that the ability to get a partner isn’t purely dependent on one’s genetics. It can be to a certain extent, depending on what specific qualities the person is lacking, but generally speaking, it’s really not that set in stone. If the goal is to just find a partner, and not the absolute ideal partner, then you wouldn’t need to check every box. 

“No high schooler ever had to self improve to get a girlfriend, he just existed” 
I would have to disagree with that. There are plenty of high schoolers who aim to improve themselves and got girlfriends due of their improvements. 
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PeripheralVision said:
That sucks, though I am amused that she apparently says all the wrong things, as if she was going down the bad route in a visual novel. I think people can define friends a tad bit more loosely than ourselves. I call this "fair weather friendship" personally. It sucks, but it is just something to deal with, mainly by lowering my expectations.

Well not literally all just feels that way. For example she might just say a bad possibility but try to paint it as good and i will get blamed if i feel upset over something she said and her sometimes threatening to leave me. Sometime it is putdowns. Sometimes id get accused of causing bad things to happen to me just for having any negative thoughts and emotions though she is doing this one less now. At least she more recently occasionally apologizes saying she is hard on me since she is hard on herself when she used to only very rarely apologize. She likes self improvement. She seems more receptive when she herself is wanting to feel better from me over something so fair-weather friendship isnt even right term, id think and wasnt always like that. i don't really have anyone close anymore.
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Mar 19, 2024 6:54 AM
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I'm not coddling weak pathetic bottom-feeders who says the system is rigged and wants the world to cater them, be it incels, femcels, or black racists.
Mar 19, 2024 7:11 AM

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So many sad individuals just want to blackpill others so they won't feel alone.
Mar 19, 2024 10:34 AM

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There isn't shit you need to do to deserve something in life

Everything I do is because that's the only way, I can't see myself doing anything else
Mar 20, 2024 12:53 AM
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But moral of the story is that. I would probably say I don't agree that much with that picture as much. In short I would answer to it "seems pretty self-righteous narcissistic tunneled asshole view"


man.. I wrote such long monologue.... but Im answering to random threads.... to a point I don't even know what I'm typing anymore... cuz I havent slept... so whatever deleted that long text and kept only in a nutshell quote.
Mar 20, 2024 2:48 AM

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Is real you can change ur life. But keep in mind some people may fail in life no matter h9w hard they try. Life is hard as hell. There some really fucked up bad situation people here in this world. Try it alot before giving up.
Mar 21, 2024 11:12 AM

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I agree, bcs i don't need another genetic dead end joining my gf searching competition just because they start gaining some muscles.
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Mar 21, 2024 11:41 AM

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Some of the things he say hold him a point, but I disagree with the "it's over" mindset.

Mar 21, 2024 12:42 PM
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That 4chin screencap is 90% correct.
For most people, getting a gf/wife/kids/social life comes naturally. They didn't have to self-improve, they just took action and got results.

The other 10% of missing truth, is that self-improvement can help, sometimes. Sometimes it's just hopeless and trying to improve is a waste of life.
The bigger question is, are you trying to self-improve because of your desire to accomplish something in life? Or because of the need to fulfill the societal norms?

Personally, I stopped trying to self-improve to be a social person. I don't see the point. Being around people has never been pleasant or enjoyable to me ever since the beginning of high school. Before that, sure I had friends and I enjoyed visiting them to play games together. But since high school, something has shifted inside me. I started noticing the facades that people put up, their manipulation tactics, their lack of honesty. I stopped enjoying being around people. I didn't enjoy talking to anyone, going out together, eating together, being together in the same room. I can never imagine living with someone else, or even worse - having kids. I would go crazy.

Did I try self-improving, therapies, forcing myself to be social? Yes. Has it changed anything in my life? No. I still didn't enjoy being around people no matter how much time or effort I put into it. What's even the fucking point? I asked myself this in my early to mid 20s. And since then, I stopped caring. I've grown extremely comfortable being with my own thoughts. I welcome living my entire life in solitude and dying alone. I don't care about conforming to societal rules or expectations. Fuck society.
Mar 21, 2024 1:50 PM

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The 4chan post in the OP honestly just comes off as projection to me.
Take care of yourself

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