Is Rudy at Fault?

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what fault? the teleport disaster?? i dont read LN so I DONT KNOW the reason behind that teleport disaster but for sure both rudy and paul is not the one who did it.

if its about paul and rudy situation,what kind of question is that? its like many ppl missing the whole point,the point is basically showing but FLAWED character,a scumbag father in his previous young life cant handle his family crumbled and a DEGENERATE shut in with 0 COMMON SENSE,SOCIAL SKILLS didnt act like a normal decent person when they experiencing something like this,is this good thing,ABSOLUTELY this is what GOOD WRITING is,i mean imagine if they meet up and act like a "perfect" character,no conflict,UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER,isnt that weird?? but thankfully they dont.

Nov 1, 2021 1:05 AM

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I don't think Rudy was at fault. Paul didn't say Rudy was at fault either. Paul was just disappointed because of the expectations he had for Rudy. And Rudy was frustrated that
1. he couldn't live up to Paul's expectations.
2. He couldn't be what in his idea is "the better human" he wished he was.

None of them are at fault. But it didn't matter because things still turned out to be what they call "worse". One of them blames themselves for being the person he was and the other was frustrated because of the expectations he had. There's no fault in here but still things turned out that way. It's just like real life. Sometimes no one is at fault yet things become a disaster.

Nov 1, 2021 1:06 AM

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zerokarasu said:
what fault? the teleport disaster?? i dont read LN so I DONT KNOW the reason behind that teleport disaster but for sure both rudy and paul is not the one who did it.

if its about paul and rudy situation,what kind of question is that? its like many ppl missing the whole point,the point is basically showing but FLAWED character,a scumbag father in his previous young life cant handle his family crumbled and a DEGENERATE shut in with 0 COMMON SENSE,SOCIAL SKILLS didnt act like a normal decent person when they experiencing something like this,is this good thing,ABSOLUTELY this is what GOOD WRITING is,i mean imagine if they meet up and act like a "perfect" character,no conflict,UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER,isnt that weird?? but thankfully they dont.

this man right here is insulting people with zero social skills as if they're a disease or scum to the society.

Nov 1, 2021 1:10 AM

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TanakaTarou24 said:

zerokarasu said:
what fault? the teleport disaster?? i dont read LN so I DONT KNOW the reason behind that teleport disaster but for sure both rudy and paul is not the one who did it.

if its about paul and rudy situation,what kind of question is that? its like many ppl missing the whole point,the point is basically showing but FLAWED character,a scumbag father in his previous young life cant handle his family crumbled and a DEGENERATE shut in with 0 COMMON SENSE,SOCIAL SKILLS didnt act like a normal decent person when they experiencing something like this,is this good thing,ABSOLUTELY this is what GOOD WRITING is,i mean imagine if they meet up and act like a "perfect" character,no conflict,UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER,isnt that weird?? but thankfully they dont.

this man right here is insulting people with zero social skills as if they're a disease or scum to the society.

u quote THE WHOLE THING yet only mention one thing?? and yeah rudeus is a scum,but again why he is a scum? u will only mention one thing AGAIN?

Nov 1, 2021 1:17 AM

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Both is the only correct answer.

Nov 1, 2021 1:17 AM

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You can can blame Rudy for not informing his family about his safety. He should figure by himself, that they are worried sick about him.

Paul was too Hersh on Rudy. Rudy is still a child. Paul expected him deduce all by himself that other people also got teleported, while he was in the center of mana disaster with Eris and Ghislaine in the middle of the fkin nowhere and start searching for others. It is NOT obvious.
On top of that, Paul was not even happy to see his own son alive and well.

Overall, it was en amazing scene showing how Rudeus puts himself first and "out of sight, out of mind', while Paul treats his own son more like an employee or something.
Both of them have a lot of room for growth.

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Nov 1, 2021 1:20 AM

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zerokarasu said:

TanakaTarou24 said:

this man right here is insulting people with zero social skills as if they're a disease or scum to the society.

u quote THE WHOLE THING yet only mention one thing?? and yeah rudeus is a scum,but again why he is a scum? u will only mention one thing AGAIN?

your whole point of saying rudeus is at fault is due to lack of social skills and being a shut in and degenerate. Basically youre saying not having social skills and being a shut in is faulty through your answer. And you're calling it good writing because you think introverts with zero skills, people who couldn't communicate with people and closed themselves even if it hurts them, people who are constantly hurt by people are "faulty" characters. I quoted the entire thing and mentioned every disgusting thing you said right now in a single Statement.

Nov 1, 2021 1:34 AM

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I think The fact that Rudy unconsciously didn't consider them being teleported too was because he was from a word where communication was instant so he didn't understand things like that could happen so suddenly and silently also he doesn't think of Paul as his father he thinks of him as Paul. Paul's expectation s of Rudy are too much considering his age and that's because Rudy didn't act like a child from the beginning so Paul's unconscious imagination of him is somewhat wrong

Nov 1, 2021 1:42 AM

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TanakaTarou24 said:

zerokarasu said:

u quote THE WHOLE THING yet only mention one thing?? and yeah rudeus is a scum,but again why he is a scum? u will only mention one thing AGAIN?

your whole point of saying rudeus is at fault is due to lack of social skills and being a shut in and degenerate. Basically youre saying not having social skills and being a shut in is faulty through your answer. And you're calling it good writing because you think introverts with zero skills, people who couldn't communicate with people and closed themselves even if it hurts them, people who are constantly hurt by people are "faulty" characters. I quoted the entire thing and mentioned every disgusting thing you said right now in a single Statement.

is that it?? oh GO READ ONCE AGAIN,ofc u need to MENTION thing that u only care for ur DUMB argument right?? AGAIN.

READ>> "a DEGENERATE shut in with 0 COMMON SENSE,SOCIAL SKILLS didnt act like a normal decent person"

still dont understand?? maybe turn on ur brain for once,because once is fine,but u did it TWICE and even trying to ignored some of it is just dumb.

Nov 1, 2021 1:44 AM

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Rudy, as an adult has some fault of fooling around a bit too much. However, Paul doesn't know he's mentally an adult, and Paul has an unrealisticaly high expectations of child Rudy. Both are at fault, but Paul more. Paul is under a lot of stress though, so while it was wrong of him to lash out in such manner, it's realistic he's done so.

You all need to watch Nami.

Nov 1, 2021 1:46 AM

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zerokarasu said:

TanakaTarou24 said:

your whole point of saying rudeus is at fault is due to lack of social skills and being a shut in and degenerate. Basically youre saying not having social skills and being a shut in is faulty through your answer. And you're calling it good writing because you think introverts with zero skills, people who couldn't communicate with people and closed themselves even if it hurts them, people who are constantly hurt by people are "faulty" characters. I quoted the entire thing and mentioned every disgusting thing you said right now in a single Statement.

is that it?? oh GO READ ONCE AGAIN,ofc u need to MENTION thing that u only care for ur DUMB argument right?? AGAIN.

READ>> "a DEGENERATE shut in with 0 COMMON SENSE,SOCIAL SKILLS didnt act like a normal decent person"

still dont understand?? maybe turn on ur brain for once,because once is fine,but u did it TWICE and even trying to ignored some of it is just dumb.

not just once but twice you put out your disgusting idea of what you feel is a decent person and the audacity to defend that bullshit creeps me down to the bone

Nov 1, 2021 1:51 AM

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What was it? 1.5 years without trying to get in touch even once? 10/10 writing right there. And I don't wanna hear the "His Dad told him not to message him for 5 years" lame excuse, there's been a monstrous scale disaster, all promises are out the window at that point, anybody with brains would realize that.

"Hurr hurr, he's been caught up in sorts of trouble, he hasn't had the time" LOL, just stop. You telling me in the whole entire 1.5 years, he hasn't had any downtime to think a little and to try and get in touch? Once again, 10/10 writing.

"However, it is a fact that Rudy did not consider that others were teleported"

This is just his Dad being a virtue signaling clown and desperately trying to guilt trip Rudy though, that's all that is. I wouldn't give a shit either.

I don't have a brain
I not realize that
Until there was chapter / episode that told Roxy coming to village

And after see a lot of YouTuber, they also don't realize until that scene

And rudy not watching mushoku tensei season 2 EP 2

Well most people don't have brain I think

Nov 1, 2021 1:57 AM

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TanakaTarou24 said:

zerokarasu said:

is that it?? oh GO READ ONCE AGAIN,ofc u need to MENTION thing that u only care for ur DUMB argument right?? AGAIN.

READ>> "a DEGENERATE shut in with 0 COMMON SENSE,SOCIAL SKILLS didnt act like a normal decent person"

still dont understand?? maybe turn on ur brain for once,because once is fine,but u did it TWICE and even trying to ignored some of it is just dumb.

not just once but twice you put out your disgusting idea of what you feel is a decent person and the audacity to defend that bullshit creeps me down to the bone

yeah u r either didnt watch this anime or just plain dumb,yeah it is creep me down to the bone with someone picking 1 words and try to talk shit then when confronted with the actual fact u make excuses that isnt even there to begin with "idea of what a decent person" LMAO u have a real problem,even with a CAPS,u still cant read,or cant think,maybe both.

Nov 1, 2021 1:59 AM

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Piromysl said:
You can can blame Rudy for not informing his family about his safety. He should figure by himself, that they are worried sick about him.

Paul was too Hersh on Rudy. Rudy is still a child. Paul expected him deduce all by himself that other people also got teleported, while he was in the center of mana disaster with Eris and Ghislaine in the middle of the fkin nowhere and start searching for others. It is NOT obvious.
On top of that, Paul was not even happy to see his own son alive and well.

Overall, it was en amazing scene showing how Rudeus puts himself first and "out of sight, out of mind', while Paul treats his own son more like an employee or something.
Both of them have a lot of room for growth.

I don't know but is there any chance he can write it?
Mostly of his journey was in disguise
And in demon continent he not doing it

But when arrived at millis he wanna do it

Paul himself never go to demon continent

Is there relation about how far and separate is human - demon continent with why Rudy not priorities to send mail or something?

As far as I know there was no messenger or Gmail in that world

Nov 1, 2021 2:03 AM

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I like Rudeus, he's my favourite character in the story but I blame him.

If this father-son reunion had happened 1.5 months after the teleport cataclism I would understand Rudy but 1.5 years?
C'mon we're talking Rudeus here, the half man, half child scheming guy!

Damn, Rudeus, the first thing I'd do meeting my father in that situation would be asking about my family, not boasting about adventures, that's so twelve years oldish!

Nov 1, 2021 2:04 AM

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Yohanlie23 said:

Piromysl said:
You can can blame Rudy for not informing his family about his safety. He should figure by himself, that they are worried sick about him.

Paul was too Hersh on Rudy. Rudy is still a child. Paul expected him deduce all by himself that other people also got teleported, while he was in the center of mana disaster with Eris and Ghislaine in the middle of the fkin nowhere and start searching for others. It is NOT obvious.
On top of that, Paul was not even happy to see his own son alive and well.

Overall, it was en amazing scene showing how Rudeus puts himself first and "out of sight, out of mind', while Paul treats his own son more like an employee or something.
Both of them have a lot of room for growth.

I don't know but is there any chance he can write it?
Mostly of his journey was in disguise
And in demon continent he not doing it

But when arrived at millis he wanna do it

Paul himself never go to demon continent

Is there relation about how far and separate is human - demon continent with why Rudy not priorities to send mail or something?

As far as I know there was no messenger or Gmail in that world

ppl think this mushoku tensei world have internet so "rudeus should just tell his parents" u know that rudeus,who keep thinking perverted stuff,in the middle of nowhere with eris have to do everything "perfectly" while missing the point of this drama is showing this 2 flawed character who is a father and son.

Nov 1, 2021 2:07 AM

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No one is at fault,Rudy is still too young to know what to do so care for the currently closest one is logical for him

Same for Paul,he think Rudy could care more for his family but didnt consider Rudy ages

Both of them are at the same time at fault and none are at fault at the same time

Nov 1, 2021 2:11 AM

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zerokarasu said:

Yohanlie23 said:

I don't know but is there any chance he can write it?
Mostly of his journey was in disguise
And in demon continent he not doing it

But when arrived at millis he wanna do it

Paul himself never go to demon continent

Is there relation about how far and separate is human - demon continent with why Rudy not priorities to send mail or something?

As far as I know there was no messenger or Gmail in that world

ppl think this mushoku tensei world have internet so "rudeus should just tell his parents" u know that rudeus,who keep thinking perverted stuff,in the middle of nowhere with eris have to do everything "perfectly" while missing the point of this drama is showing this 2 flawed character who is a father and son.

I don't know if only me or it's really easy to send mail on there

Let the letter alone
Everyone see how hard to cross from demon continent to human?
Even Rudy must going through illegal path

Even Roxy never send her parents mail

From what I know

When people going to demon continent = gone, bye

I mean, there will be hard to communicate

And I never see human in demon continent ...

Nov 1, 2021 2:17 AM

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zerokarasu said:

Yohanlie23 said:

I don't know but is there any chance he can write it?
Mostly of his journey was in disguise
And in demon continent he not doing it

But when arrived at millis he wanna do it

Paul himself never go to demon continent

Is there relation about how far and separate is human - demon continent with why Rudy not priorities to send mail or something?

As far as I know there was no messenger or Gmail in that world

ppl think this mushoku tensei world have internet so "rudeus should just tell his parents" u know that rudeus,who keep thinking perverted stuff,in the middle of nowhere with eris have to do everything "perfectly" while missing the point of this drama is showing this 2 flawed character who is a father and son.

Oh, another generic Isekai have it
They don't have concept about how hard to communicate

Some of it using some telephone ball

Telephone telepathy

Or teleport

Some character can fly (like Roswall in re zero)

So it's easy for them to send some text

Nov 1, 2021 2:23 AM

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Yohanlie23 said:

zerokarasu said:

ppl think this mushoku tensei world have internet so "rudeus should just tell his parents" u know that rudeus,who keep thinking perverted stuff,in the middle of nowhere with eris have to do everything "perfectly" while missing the point of this drama is showing this 2 flawed character who is a father and son.

Oh, another generic Isekai have it
They don't have concept about how hard to communicate

Some of it using some telephone ball

Telephone telepathy

Or teleport

Some character can fly (like Roswall in re zero)

So it's easy for them to send some text

well there is mail,main from paul to rudeus about he sent him away?? the problem is where rudeus is,he is a kid who didnt fully learn how this isekai world works YET,get transported FAR AWAY to some demon land with a real brat eris,knowing his personality,his problem make thing even worse and the problem here ppl EXPECTING HIM LIKE A NORMAL 1 DIMENSIONAL GARY STU MC,but HE IS NOT.

meanwhile on the other side,paul is no better,the different is he is a scum but the opposite side of it,rudy is the loner/no social/no friends degenerate,paul is the alpha chad popular scum,he socialize works with other but still have his own problem,when this disaster happened,all he think is drunk,depression and blaming rudy becaue "HE SUPPOSED TO BE GENIUS" but he is not.

Nov 1, 2021 2:35 AM

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I guess with Rudy's mom gone Paul is back to his former scum character

Nov 1, 2021 2:36 AM

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Technically Paul actually did nothing wrong except for shame the hell out of Rudy.
Both of the guys have different perspectives.
Paul thinks that Rudy was just chillin having a nice time (and Rudy, did make it seem that way)
And Rudy's defense was. "I have alot on my plate and those problems just didn't come to mind."
Obviously Paul shouldn't have acted that way, but even if Rudy isn't in the wrong, he's not even close to being in the right.
Of course Rudy probably wouldn't be able to do much, but I think it's the kind of situation that both of them just need to get over and start working together to solve the problems that they have.

I don't think there's an actual solid side to who's fault it is, which is why I think this episode was so good.

But eh, I feel like going with Rudy for the moment, most people are probably just going to go with Paul because "I fEeL bAD FoR ruDY"

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Nov 1, 2021 2:49 AM

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Rudy is not to blame, its a fact you cannot save everyone and he decided in the beginning Eris was his priority. Similar to how Paul said he wouldn’t look for him, they are choosing the best route they see. Rudy was dropped off in a foreign land and made his way across multiple nations without losing his soul like Paul. Could care less how old you are mentally, that’s overwhelming for anyone and unlike Paul, Rudy did not crumble and forged ahead.

Yeah he may be to blame for not contacting his family yet family contact in that kind of situation could break you mentally if say, you find out they are all dead or worse. You may just give up and “exist” at that point. Its a hard call yet you cannot save anyone if you’re dead yourself, self preservation first and then help the world. For example, I participate in competitive shooting and that was one shocking thing I found out rubbing shoulders with some high tier military people. They will straight up deny family calls while deployed as they have enough to worry about, I see Rudy’s case as a similar situation, his fault was doing it subconsciously and I can’t blame him for it.

Expecting your 12yo to do everything proper while you are a complete scumbag is called being a hypocrite and I fear for how Norn is going to turn out thinking that’s “normal” for a good person. Man I was rooting for Rudy when he smashed Pauls face in.100% expect Paul to have knocked another women up along the way too. If I was Rudy, Id cut ties and peace out. Im not going to take the blame when I made the best of a crappy situation and can still hold my head high at the end of the day. You cannot save everyone and if you try, you die. Also, how the hell does the mailing system work there? If a letter can travel that fast across nations, personnel transport would be just as fast and there would’ve been a faster rescue response. “So many people died while you were goofing off” nothing but a guilt trip because Rudy made the best of it while Paul tried, failed and lost his soul.

If you take anything away from this, take this:
Its not selfish to put your well-being first, even above family. Trying to save everyone is how everyone dies, you help as many people as you can and Id say Rudy has helped out many people in his travels.

Nov 1, 2021 2:50 AM

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