For those left relatively or completely unimpressed by this offering and believe it detracts from the original seasons...
| I would suggest just viewing it very much as a side story which is its own entity. In actuality, only the first two seasons of Higurashi + Nekogoroshi-hen (the season 1 special/bonus episode) constitute the main story. In addition to those, only the middle three episodes of the Rei OVA from 2009 can really be viewed and play as a proper sequel to the main story. That's 50 episodes if you just include the first two seasons, 51 if you include the special, and 54 if you include the three episode middle main arc Rei was comprised of. That's really all. I was also quite underwhelmed by many aspects of Gou, but really, after finishing the epic that was Higurashi Kai a few years ago, I can't be the only one who just logically expected everything which followed to be no more than an anti-climax and underwhelming by its very nature that it's just basically an add-on which doesn't need to exist yet is just a fun creative/intellectual exercise or mindless fanfic-esque and parody-style time wasting fluff just for the sake of spending time with the characters. If you view it from the perspective that the original story is over and these are just alternate universe/shard add-ons for the purpose of exploring fun hypotheticals with our gang then it won't bother you as much or really serve to "detract" from anything. To me, Outbreak/Kaku is a 7, Rei is a 6, Gou is a 5, and Kira is a 4 (although I have to say I actually think I personally enjoyed Kira more than Gou), but ultimately all are - in direction, ingenuity, and dramatic weight - leagues beneath the main tale for which only those first two seasons are essential viewing, but they could never take anything away from or tarnish it retroactively. They're more like something possibly fun to turn on as an extra because you're fans of the characters, world, & lore, but without the same level of intense investment required and more like popcorn viewing or an after dinner coffee compared to filet mignon. Expecting them to exceed their function was probably a doomed prospect from the start. |
WatchTillTandavaMar 19, 2021 1:27 PM
| Personally I don't really even consider this as Higurashi, as much as I see this as prequel for Umineko. And I am quite worried, albeit hopeful, about Sotsu. Also whats all this hate for Kira. Kira was... very interesting, every episode was interesting (tho for different reasons) I quite liked it even when it had nothing to do with anything. |
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| I'm just so, so sad. I can't even be mad about how much I hated Gou. It literally annihilated Higurashi and it's legacy for me. The original concept and hopeful message of the series got nuked just because Satoko don't want to study, it's so stupid... I can't even. |
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Hulio said: Personally I don't really even consider this as Higurashi, as much as I see this as prequel for Umineko. And I am quite worried, albeit hopeful, about Sotsu. I believe you and possibly some others here, of those I've made it clear to, are well aware of my feelings for Higurashi. It's the last anime I extended a full 10/10 to (and that was almost two years ago now), but because it's already such an epic sprawling work which contains a little bit of everything (and because I disagree vehemently with those who deride the quality of the Studio Deen iteration and really adore the art, direction, storytelling & pacing, etc.), I really didn't think a remake or reboot offered anything beneficial and didn't plan to watch it initially. When I found it was in actuality only a soft reboot but moreso a sequel which could serve as another kind of add-on/standalone/spinoff type season, my interest was officially piqued and I reversed my position, planned to watch and indeed did and saw it through to completion, but even then, all the while I was thinking in the back of my mind that I would rather have seen an Umineko reboot. I love Higurashi. I'm glad I watched the Umineko anime, but it was obviously very rushed and mishandled. It's possible after reading the Umineko visual novel or manga, I may still end up loving and preferring Higurashi over it, but even still, I don't comprehend the decision-making behind wanting to add on/redo/reinterpret Higurashi when the first two seasons were such a landmark achievement, success, and amazing as they are while they leave an aborted Umineko to rot. One was already completed conclusively and successfully and now they have to keep adding on random material. The other has a wealth of source material they leave unused and a barely half-finished anime adaptation left to rot and fall into obscurity. I will also watch Higurashi Sotsu at my leisure, but my hopes are not high unfortunately, as they honestly weren't for Gou, as they weren't for Kira before it, as they weren't for...etc. That's because there's really nowhere to go but into superfluous extra content after you've already completed a story so thoroughly. Hulio said: Also whats all this hate for Kira. Kira was... very interesting, every episode was interesting (tho for different reasons) I quite liked it even when it had nothing to do with anything. Well, I did mention that despite actually giving it a one point lower rating, I actually enjoyed it more than Gou. Believe it or not, I used to have Kira set at even a point lower than that - a dismal 3/10, but bumped it up in the past year after going through the entire series again, if even just for the last episode. I don't actually hate Kira. Even outside of the Higurashi-verse, I don't think I can honestly say I've hated any anime I completed. It's just that when I rate something, I try to compare it in both directions on the higher and lower end of the numerical scale. If I rate something a 4, it's because I look at the 5s and 6s I've given and come to the conclusion that I can't in good conscience assert that it was of equal quality to those. That doesn't always correspond to my more fluid personal likes. I can rate something a 5 (like Gou) or 6, for example, and actually like it less than something I've given a 4, because personal enjoyment is only one of the factors. I feel the need to create this large gulf in the ratings, because, forgetting the 5s and 6s for a minute, when I look at the first two Higurashi seasons I rated a 10/10, I genuinely do believe the gap is just that large or even larger between those and something like Kira just in terms of sheer scope and fundamentally what it has to offer. One is a grand epic which weaves a dense narrative that inspires every possible emotion within you on the journey and the other is an entertaining romp and cute and fun what-if, but again it's like comparing cheese and crackers to a steak dinner. In many ways I don't even think a 6 point disparity is enough to adequately portray the difference in standing. |
WatchTillTandavaMar 19, 2021 4:55 PM
Lyev said: I'm just so, so sad. I can't even be mad about how much I hated Gou. It literally annihilated Higurashi and it's legacy for me. The original concept and hopeful message of the series got nuked just because Satoko don't want to study, it's so stupid... I can't even. Just try treating it as another shard fragment. Even Satoko herself, in the last episode of Gou, referenced everything which transpired in other parallel universes of the kakera as not really meaningfully occurring from the all-seeing cosmic eye and detached observer perspective. That these other universes, after being abandoned by the only ones with the ability to step outside of them and into another, can just be cast aside like bad dreams as after choosing not to go down a certain route, it's all just theoretical and the reality you've chosen and arrived at is your sole true reality. I could get up and leave my house now and alter the course of my day and potentially week/month/year/life, but by not doing that, I consign it to the murky world of theory and unrealized alternatives. Rika and Hanyuu discussed something similar in the main arc of Rei - That by making the choices she did, the other worlds had become mere dreams and the world arrived at driven by her decisions the only true reality which means anything now. I treat the main series and the OVAs and add-on seasons with the same mindset in how I distinguish them. The main story, our Hinamizawa, is in season one, Kai, and part of Rei. Everything else is a zany thought exercise into one of the trillions of possible simultaneously occurring realities of what's going on in the other shards. Between the art style, pacing, and the way several main characters - notably Rena, Keiichi, and Mion - were overly simplified and thinned out in their characterization to focus the spotlight on Rika and Satoko, they truly didn't feel like "our" familiar characters in many respects but more like alternate shard denizens anyway. |
WatchTillTandavaMar 19, 2021 4:48 PM
| @WatchTillTandava Yeah our feelings for Higurashi are more or less mutual. Personally I gave this GOU a 3/10. What comes to Umineko Reboot.. yeeeah. I don't think Passione would have done justice for Umineko. Also that Kira remark wasn't that much directed at you, my bad. But I've seen lately more people mentioning it. What comes to ratings, I guess the way you do makes sense, personally I just go overall 'enjoyement' first and production values second. I find it a bit peculiar to rate something higher which you like less than something else. Looking at my scores, I gave Kira a 9, same as Kai, I really must have liked it back in the day xD |
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Hulio said: Also that Kira remark wasn't that much directed at you, my bad. But I've seen lately more people mentioning it. What comes to ratings, I guess the way you do makes sense, personally I just go overall 'enjoyement' first and production values second. I find it a bit peculiar to rate something higher which you like less than something else. Looking at my scores, I gave Kira a 9, same as Kai, I really must have liked it back in the day xD No no, I wasn't annoyed at all. I just always enjoy seizing upon the opportunity to better explain my position. Production values are a factor, but to me the production values of Kira were actually better than Gou's - I was not fond at all of the art style put out by Passione studio for this season and to a lesser extent, the animation. Whereas by contrast, I think Kira's was closer to the original two seasons in quality (closer to Kai, but not quite at the same level) and I prefer it. No, I think the reason I assigned the higher rating to something I actually enjoyed less in this case is less about production values, since Gou's are worse to me, and more about the scope and ambition of the story they attempted to portray. I can appreciate something like Kira for what it is, but a lot of pure parody and comedy material just is automatically, not always but often for my tastes, just more shallow and not reaching for the same heights or depth, so it occupies a position of more disposable entertainment, even if better executed from a technical perspective than something with loftier aspirations which failed hard. Kira's the kind of content I would likely never watch save for the fact that it's additional content for a pre-existing story/series I'm already familiar with and invested in. I don't watch many pure comedies or pure parodies. I enjoyed it more because up until Gou, all of the characters still felt closer to the original characters of the first two seasons. This (Gou) felt more like what it was - a spinoff or add-on quite a few years later coming on as an afterthought and with the characters very Flanderized/exaggerated, dumbed down, and boiled down to only their most superficial and visible, stereotypical iconic traits. (Note - this goes for Keiichi and Mion too, but especially Rena, which breaks my heart...). |
WatchTillTandavaMar 20, 2021 8:19 AM
| That's something good about Higurashi. This is just one of the possible endings. Hou's outbreak along with Matsuris and Kizuna's respective version of Miotsukushi provide their own endings. So adding Gou which is Matsubiriyashi we have at least 4 endings to choose from. Kira's character designs are my favourite alongside Alchemists. they had some really good episodes too. I personally loved the one with little Rika. Added some more nice characterisation to both her and Hanyuu. I was expecting the episode focusing on Keichii choosing either Rena, Mion or Shion to end in a bloodbath, but was surprisingly wholesome? |
ChargecoulombMar 20, 2021 10:47 AM
| I pretty much refuse to include it in discussions about the OG. No amount of interviews will change how R07 handled it. Can we please go back to the times when people were calling Umineko Ep6+ bad? Because those are fucking masterpieces compared to this drivel. |
| Can you explain what aspect of Gou is "mindless fanfic-esque and parody-style time wasting fluff"? I can understand why some would dislike the "intellectual exercise" that is the first cour of Gou, but what's being parodied? |
Rinkusan said: at this point it feels like the people overly critical of Gou are just reaching, especially when they make claims like that. I remember when people on MAL were raging at the animation, calling it god-awful, despite looking better than the majority of other shows airing in the season (speaking in regards to the second half of Gou/Winter 2021). I was only watching 30 airing shows, so not quite everything, but Gou looked pretty nice in comparison to a lot, and far better than DEEN lol.Can you explain what aspect of Gou is "mindless fanfic-esque and parody-style time wasting fluff"? I can understand why some would dislike the "intellectual exercise" that is the first cour of Gou, but what's being parodied? |
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Vell- said: Rinkusan said: Can you explain what aspect of Gou is "mindless fanfic-esque and parody-style time wasting fluff"? I can understand why some would dislike the "intellectual exercise" that is the first cour of Gou, but what's being parodied? There are two major factors that can make this particular entry feel like a parody of the original at times: The portrayal of the climatic scenes in the mystery arcs and the portrayal of satoko as a villian. Which are less an issue of the ideas themselves, but rather how the anime executed them. This is going to be long because I will try to be as detailed as possible. To me the first redflag for what direction this anime would try to adapt its story with already appeared as early as episode 1, where in the very end we get a shot of rika looking over the garbage hill facing the camera with her "looper eyes". It came very much out of nowhere and didnt seem to have any narrative purpose or purpose grounded in subtext behind showing us this at the time they did aside from already hinting at this not being what the marketing mislead us to think this anime was going to be, which would only be directly confirmed in the very first scene of episode 2 already anyway. It felt like a "crowd pleaser" moment meant to draw out a very specific reaction from the viewer more than anything else, which is something that every director wants to go for obviously but if its this blatantly transparent that thats all the shot was for, then it quickly loses its intended effect. This show would later proof itself that it wants to go for such moments and prioritize them more than telling a story with proper integrity. There is lack of experience in directing proper tension and horror that bleeds through from passiones scenes. Im not bashing the overall competency of Gous director here I dont know anything about his other works, I just intend to say that he is simply unexperienced in this particular field and the producer should have been more careful with the casting, though what I believe is that they didnt seem to care too much either way and just hired the people that would be the cheapest to make this anime with. Back to the directing of the remade scenes: The director tries to mask his inexperience by resorting to long established horror tropes, such as having the characters in a supposedly "spooky" dialogue looking down and hide their eyes with shadows to make them appear more scary. This is most notable with the uso da scene and it was hard for me to take it seriously because the tension just wasnt there due to how transparent the inexperience of the director was in overusing this technique for most of the dialogue. Gous direction lacks subtetly, I think that word summerizes these issues pretty well. If a scene is trying way too hard to appear tense and uncomfortable, it only achieves the opposite and becomes funny instead. This stays true for most of how gou is executed. One scene that stuck out really badly to me where I started to truly feel this anime isnt going to be able to turn things around for me anymore in terms of its presentation is the mion ladder scene in the second arc (I think in this particular arc its safe to say that it was mion and not shion like in the original, not that it would matter to my argument either way though). The decision to have it take place in daylight was already the first mistake, other than being harmful to the atmosphere itself, it was bad in context of the competency of their own production as well because they couldnt mask their lack of care for the animation with the darkness. The way they tried to portray mion shaking the ladder looked hilariously like they had seperate layers for her arms, torso and head and simply had a rumble effect applied to each individually and it looked like youtube poop levels of quality animation that I was simply baffled at. When they showed keiichi on the ladder shaking it was equally hilarious because of how unrealistically the ladder with his body on it was moving to look like someone moved its layer around with a cursor in ms paint. Those kind of things are the problems I had with the question arcs in terms of their presentation. Admittedly much of these production issues ceased to be a problem once the satoko arc came along and it seemed clear to me that that particular half of the story is what they wanted to focus their talent on. But it is a pretty irredeemable problem to me when an entire half your anime is done like this, no matter how much the second half changes in quality. Moving onto the portrayal of satoko as a villain, what makes that whole endevour seem like a parody is just how much the narrative tries to hammer the point home that yes she is crazy now and how much ryukishi wants us to think that she will develop into lambdadelta one way or another. We are given not nearly enough information and perspectives to have that transition into that personality be believable with the motive we are given. With all the time Satoko and Rika actually spend in the academy, we were shown so incredibly little. We never got rikas perspective of the events, we brought in random characters that have nothing to do with anything to arbitrarily keep the conflict moving by making satoko misunderstand rika through her friends actions. That whole prison cell deal was all layers of an unexcusable plot device no matter how much the academy had prior been presented to be a shithole of a place because there is no way something like that could possibly legally operate at that time in japan which the writing seemed to have noticed too as it was just as easily forgotten about right after as quickly as it was introduced (Or maybe something like this was possible to be legal, Im not exactly sure, I would like to believe thats not the case though but if there is information out there that could justify this scene to be a thing Im all for hearing it). Satokos evil monologues feel nothing short of comical, how much ryukishi tries to either make it clear that she is turning into lambda or just setting up another layer of red herring for that by keep making her say "certain" over and over again. It all comes down to lack of subtlety. This kind of portrayal of an undeniably morally black villian can work in other stories very well like in jojo where its comical nature is complementary to the tone of the series overall. With higurashi though, a series that had aimed to seriously portray and explore social political issues among other things, this kind of villian feels heavily misplaced. Satoko could have had this development and given her background it is believable for her to develop in this direction to some degree, but it could have been executed in a way that is so much more in line with what ryukishi is capable of in his other stories. Appreciate the elaboration; don't mind the details whatsoever. I'll likewise do my best to respond in detail paragraph-by-paragraph. >To me the first redflag for what direction this anime would try... I personally thought that shot was fantastic, though I agree that without the context of future episodes, at the time, that shot would seem like a superficial crowd-pleasing "omg it's a sequel!" moment, which still imo wouldn't make it a bad shot per se. But, if you put that shot in the context of the whole anime, it does more than hype the audience; it's a foreboding visual cue with underlying implications of "breaking the meta" and the gradual descent into insanity. Basically, when you see those eyes, you know shit's about to go down. When you see those eyes, you know the person's breaking character and the third wall. When you see those eyes, you know the person's losing or already has lost their mind. All of this pays off, especially at the end of Nekodamashi-hen. >There is lack of experience in directing proper tension and horror... >Back to the directing of the remade scenes... I personally thought the complete opposite, only because these scenes are NOT true remakes. There were so many small details scattered throughout the first cour that either paid off in the second cour or will likely pay off in Sotsu. For a newcomer watching Gou's Usoda scene, I 100% agree that it wouldn't be all that terrifying, and this scene's tension on a superficial, visual level doesn't even come close to the Usoda scene in the original Higrasuhi. But for a returning viewer who knows exactly how the Usoda scene was played out originally, this was terrifying because of the few pieces of added dialogue near the end that have very dark implications. The point of having Rena's eyes not visible at that point in the scene was to build up to the signature "Usoda!" where her eyes are finally shown; this, of course, has been done many times before as you said, and I can understand why this would ruin the scene for you compared to the original where it was more abrupt and unsettling, with Rena's fullly-displayed face changing in a single camera cut. That's why I recommend that you do NOT view these as "remade scenes" because they, along with this entire anime, are not remakes. >Gous direction lacks subtetly... I really think it's the complete opposite; the first cour has a TON of subtlety to the point where the entire thing is a mystery game between Ryukishi and the viewers. Right; for sure, I agree that trying too hard at being horrifying to a certain point pushes you into the realm of comedy. But I see what the director's doing in the first cour the other way around; the direction throughout the first cour has been all about the mystery and NOT trying too hard to be visually horrifying. Rather, they're sweeping some of those horrifying elements from the original under the rug among other things for one simple reason: to make us feel like "something is off" and keep us on our toes. Maybe it could be argued that the first cour's too subtle with the information it feeds you, but I don't see how the first cour isn't being subtle enough. >One scene that stuck out really badly >Those kind of things are the problems I had with the question arcs Oh for sure, I agree the Mion ladder scene was animated weirdly. Every other scene though, from what I recall, was either 'okay' or, especially in the second cour as you pointed out, excellently animated. All of that aside, I really enjoyed the first cour not because of the superficial horror/tension or the animation; I absolutely loved it because it's a well-crafted mystery. And Ryukishi is clearly giving the audience a TON of respect given how subtle the details are (and also - more obviously - the fact that he regularly talks about his "sharp fans" in interviews). >Moving onto the portrayal of satoko as a villain If the anime were hammering home her insanity just for the sake of showing us how insane she is, I would agree with you. The thing is, every "scene of insanity" that was shown in Satokowashi-hen had a purpose beyond something as simple as "hey, look at this crazy girl; she's crazy amirite?", whether it's to help us empathize with her feelings of anguish and betrayal, or to show the failed efforts she's made to come to an understanding with Rika, or to show us the viewers how determination and a wholesome desire to maintain your friendships got warped into an abusive "the ends justify the means" mindset. I personally don't think any more interactions were needed to be shown to explain Satoko's descent into madness because that's the point of Satokowashi-hen. Rika's perspective doesn't need to be shown in an arc that's all about Satoko as the protagonist and her motives, and Rika's judgemental, elitist friends are VERY relevant because they are a big part of what makes St. Lucia hell for her, whether it's making fun of her manner of speaking to basically "stealing Rika away" from Satoko's perspective. As for the probably-illegal underground prison they have in St. Lucia, I'm pretty sure it's not legal, but based on a bit of research I just did, St. Lucia is an elite Christian school rolling in rich-people money remotely located in the mountains during the 1980s, which apparently was when the government was very hands-off about the prevalent bullying issue and high suicide rates associated with school bullying. So considering how the stuck-up, over-competitive, and bully-enabling environment of 1980s Japan schools matches up with what we see in Gou's St. Lucia (with the added power disparity from swimming in elite-class money), my guess is that the heads of St. Lucia are powerful enough to sweep anything they want under the rug, whether it's the bullying, their morally questionable classroom hierarchy, or their prison system reserved for those who dare to hurt the daughter of [insert rich guy here]. I think what I've already said responds to the rest of your post, but let me know if there's something I missed. |
| @Vell- Pretty much agree with every word here! Well said Vell- said: Just saying as a fun fact, that this specific scene was done a lot differently in the Manga, a lot better. The location was Rikas&Satoko's house and it overall made a lot more sense.One scene that stuck out really badly to me where I started to truly feel this anime isnt going to be able to turn things around for me anymore in terms of its presentation is the mion ladder scene in the second arc. |
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Hulio said: I really wonder who, and how much, changed the original script made by R07.@Vell- Pretty much agree with every word here! Well said Vell- said: Just saying as a fun fact, that this specific scene was done a lot differently in the Manga, a lot better. The location was Rikas&Satoko's house and it overall made a lot more sense.One scene that stuck out really badly to me where I started to truly feel this anime isnt going to be able to turn things around for me anymore in terms of its presentation is the mion ladder scene in the second arc. The anime director or the mangaka? If both did, who did it worse? So far from what people say it seems like the manga is the better version. |
ssjokg said: From what I remember from the newest interview, Ryukishi was saying something alike trusting the animation staff with the script and screenplay. "Supervising" it, but not really interfering, as by his words "I don't know much about animation things".I really wonder who, and how much, changed the original script made by R07. The anime director or the mangaka? If both did, who did it worse? So far from what people say it seems like the manga is the better version. Basically he was only adamant on certain things like X saying Y at situation Z etc. I don't know how fleshed out the skeleton of his script was, but it seems like the animation staff was given free hands to "alter" it for their needs. |
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Hulio said: ssjokg said: From what I remember from the newest interview, Ryukishi was saying something alike trusting the animation staff with the script and screenplay. "Supervising" it, but not really interfering, as by his words "I don't know much about animation things".I really wonder who, and how much, changed the original script made by R07. The anime director or the mangaka? If both did, who did it worse? So far from what people say it seems like the manga is the better version. Basically he was only adamant on certain things like X saying Y at situation Z etc. I don't know how fleshed out the skeleton of his script was, but it seems like the animation staff was given free hands to "alter" it for their needs. Yeah...it seems like a repeat of Fate/Extra Last Encore to me. Cant wait for R07 to explain shit not made into the anime in some blog. |
| Satoko doesn't really exist anymore as a character at this point, everything that defined her such as her brother, Shion, her relationship with Rika, her understanding of people suffering and her tendency to endure pain instead of asking for help (which should have been solved in Mina, but whatever) has either been forgotten or twisted horribly. You can't have a character who spent 8 novels obsessed with her brother's return just go "Cya Big Brudder, I don't care about you anymore" out of nowhere. It's clear the story was written backward with the goal of having Satoko turn into Lambda, but since you are trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, you need to either pretend a lot of characterization doesn't exist (Such as Shion, who is connected to St.Lucia and who would be protective of her boyfriend's sister) or just throw it away (Bye Bye Comatoshi) Well, you could say a lot of this about Gou really. You want to redeem Takano? Pretend she didn't kill and vivisect alive Rika's mother and don't even mention it either so you can have her give up and pretend the worst thing was /planning/ a bunch of murders. Nevermind that in the original her sins were one of the reasons she felt like she just couldn't stop. |
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SparkleDuck said: Rinkusan said: at this point it feels like the people overly critical of Gou are just reaching, especially when they make claims like that. I remember when people on MAL were raging at the animation, calling it god-awful, despite looking better than the majority of other shows airing in the season (speaking in regards to the second half of Gou/Winter 2021). I was only watching 30 airing shows, so not quite everything, but Gou looked pretty nice in comparison to a lot, and far better than DEEN lol.Can you explain what aspect of Gou is "mindless fanfic-esque and parody-style time wasting fluff"? I can understand why some would dislike the "intellectual exercise" that is the first cour of Gou, but what's being parodied? I don't want to over-generalize; at least from my perspective, I've only seen 3 people so far who are actually reaching. The OP never did elaborate, so you could be right, but I'd personally rather give benefit of the doubt. For sure, I think Gou's animation, while not perfect, was decent in the first cour (and way better in the second cour); I suspect a good chunk of the disappointment stems from Gou not delivering the same style of horror that the original brought to the table. |
>Fair, the shot itself and why... Considering how the looper eyes of Gou and the cat eyes of the original that you mentioned are visual metaphors for breaking the 3rd wall and losing your grip on reality respectively, I don't see how there's no subtext with the former but subtext with the latter. The looper eyes aren't just there to say "hey, something's wrong with this character". Much like how the cat eyes appear to signify Keiichi losing his grip on reality, the looper eyes appear to signify the wall-breaking mental deterioration and soul-corrupting human desensitization associated with having the power to live in loops. I'm not quite sure what you mean here when you say the looper eyes don't have any in-universe implications whereas the cat eyes do. Imo the looper eyes add a lot to the third wall-breaking; namely the "supernatural insanity" and inhumanity that comes from essentially being a demigod. You can certainly have Rika's third wall-break scenes and Satoko's insanity scenes without the looper eyes much like you can portray Keiichi's warped reality without the cat eyes, but it wouldn't have as much of an emotional impact if you took either away. >The other times these eyes were shown I can recall in the question arcs... I personally really like how they used the looper eye metaphor. The eyes if anything add to that scene where Rika throws in the towel. If you take the glowing eyes away, you take away the person who's actually speaking to Keiichi because it's not Rika the kind and adorable Nippa-girl; it's Rika the tormented goddess trapped in her own hell. And the thing with the comment about Satoko is that the director ABSOLUTELY did let Satoko tell you through body language, whether it's the fake freakout in Tataridamashi-hen, her tame demeanor in the Akasaka scene, or her straight-up staring at Rika behind her back right after the loop where she disemboweled Rika. Imo the climactic revelation in Nekodamashi-hen was great because it's a classic case of showing-not-telling, using a symbolically-meaningful, recurring visual metaphor from the first cour as the trigger. The thing about "shattering familiarity" is that that's NOT the point of Gou. Gou is a sequel; the viewers already understand Hinamizawa Syndrome and have already experienced the loose grip on reality alongside its victims in the original anime. I don't see a reason to convey the exact same grip on reality and retread the exact same steps, ESPECIALLY when Gou is trying to explore an ENTIRELY different theme and an ENTIRELY different form of insanity using an entirely different brand of horror, all while - most importantly - staying focused on keeping the mystery as engaging as possible. >I understand the presence of subtle details... For sure, I absolutely agree that some of the first-cour scenes had the potential to be more tense and horrifying. However, I don't agree with the idea that those scenes needed or even should have been as horrifying as the respective scene in the original because Gou is exploring an entirely different theme and an entirely different type of insanity from the original. >What the original story did was build an expansive world Oh I absolutely agree; Gou does very little world building compared to the original. But that's because it's the same world as the one in the original. And considering what the narrative is actually about, there's very little need to expand on much more than what we already know about the world of Higurashi. Take an anime with excellent and super-thorough world-building like, for example, My Hero Academia. It explores so much about the world, from how the hero society operates to how heroes are trained to how the hero-villain dynamic works to roughly how the hero society came to be. But the point is that it explores all of these things because these are all RELEVANT to the overarching narrative of Deku's journey. Having this same level of in-depth worldbuilding in Higurashi Gou would DERAIL the narrative rather than help it; we don't need to spend a lot of time understanding the minute details of St. Lucia's school system beyond what we've been given. All we need to know are the aspects of St. Lucia that are furthering Satoko's descent into insanity. As for the Umineko-pandering point, I have to really disagree because a LOT of what Satoko's done makes sense given what we know about her from the original and the first cour of Gou. She values her friendship with Rika and the gang, and a core part of their friendship is the competitive rivalry dynamic and the whole "do whatever it takes to win" attitude (remember Mion's comments toward Keiichi when they were playing a tournament at the store?). It makes a ton of sense for both of these things to warp into the abusive "ends justify the means" mindset Satoko has for achieving her perfect world via a messed-up game against Rika (remember Satoko opening up to Rika about wanting to keep up with her and struggle together with her before the chandelier drop?). And to top it all off, her abusive tendencies make a ton of sense when you remember that she's a victim of abuse herself; after all, victims of abuse often become abusers themselves, and Satoko's possessive nature in Satokowashi-hen is almost identical to Teppei's. EDIT: Sorry, I just realized how much space this whole reply takes up on the screen in part because of how big the quote is, so I decided to just substitute the whole quote with ellipses like what you did. |
| Higurashi Rei was awsome imo. Outbreak was meh. I liked Kira. Gou is a 4/10 to me. |
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>What I meant with no subtext... But that's what I'm disputing; there's more to those eyes than just "I have time-looping superpowers". To simplify what I was saying earlier, those eyes reflect Rika/Satoko's mental deterioration and gradual loss of humanity as mortal beings with godlike powers. They don't just pop up when the third wall breaks; they pop up when their sanity and humanity reach a breaking point due to the double-edged sword of living in loops. And you only become aware of this as the series continues rather than at the very start. It seems like the disappoint for this visual metaphor stems from the looper eyes not being a clue to the mystery. I agree; the looper eyes are not a major clue to help solve the mystery unlike the cat eyes of the original. That doesn't make them any less artistically meaningful - especially for the character-based narrative Gou is unraveling - though. To me, the climactic Satoko scene at the end of Nekodamashi-hen was handled super-well because that's THE climactic bombshell scene. That is the point where Ryukishi gives you the answer. That is the point where Rika It's not hand-holding because there's no need to be subtle when the point is to make the revelation as emotionally impactful as possible. You wouldn't have detective Blanc from Knives Out be subtle and dance around the plot twist revelation at the end, would you? >I wasnt arguing that gou... Imo this was a more satisfying mystery than the original which spent more time on building up the horror scenes and developing the main cast than actually setting up the "who's the culprit" mystery. It's why I think the OG is a wonderful horror anime, but Gou is a top-tier mystery anime. What exactly about the clues of the first cour were "shallow and less intricate" to you? >As I have said... The anime only dedicated like a single minute of dialogue to the WTC universe. I agree that tying the whole WTC universe together wasn't necessary, but I don't see how the script is even remotely centered on pandering to fans of the WTC universe when the only thing in this anime that can be even remotely seen as pandering is that subtle piece of 1-minute dialogue. Eau's intervention is technically a deus ex machina by-definition, but I don't see anything contrived about it since it adds to the abuse-of-power theme and Satoko's "ends justify the means" corruption. It's about as deus ex machina as Hanyuu intervening in Rika's tragic fate. There's clearly more mystery to be explored with Eau as a character beyond just her godly, inhumane disposition, which I'm looking forward to seeing in Sotsu. If you're referring to Satoko's "Certainty" dialogue, I don't see that as Umineko-pandering at all because it directly mirrors Rika's frequent monologuing with respect to "Miracles" both in Gou and the original. It highlights the very different perspectives both have when it comes to tackling the concept of fate, and it adds to the fact that Satoko and Rika can't see eye to eye (the same conflict that started Satoko's descent into madness in the first place). |
| Honestly Higurashi Gou is a Danganronpa V3 case all over again, you love it or you hate it. I really enjoyed Gou, specially Satoko, so this season was a 9/10 for me. But i can understand that this season can make people rage. |
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| The same can be said of any sequel, and Gou is clearly a sequel (as opposed to a chapter 2) given how long Higurashi's been around and how the anime had a definitive conclusion. I see Gou as them taking the Higurashi universe and having fun with it. I enjoy seeing Rika and Satako in a different, more negative light and thought their character development was natural and true to the original. I also enjoyed the extra gore and craziness and thought the first half despite being a retread was different enough to be worth a watch. The biggest problem is that the lengths Satako will go through to punish Rika are so over the top that you can only laugh at it. Teppei's redemption arc was also a no-sell; but both of those things are entertaining, just in a different way to the original. I don't mind the Umineko stuff as long as it remains in the background. If the climax is Satako and Rika have to set aside their differences and team up to fight the witch from Umineko, that would be stupid. |
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>What you describe... Right; we know from the OG of the mental burden living in loops can have on the user. But the OG implies that the mental burden comes from watching your loved ones die and failing over and over again. Gou explores a very different kind of insanity from living in loops; one of obsession, abuse, and lust for control/dominance. All of that aside, I wasn't saying that the idea of mental deterioration wasn't already understood; what wasn't already understood was what the eyes actually represent, symbolize, and foreshadow beyond just breaking the third wall (which is what the common first-impression in episode 1 for those eyes would be). You learn the more subtle meaning behind the eyes later in Satokowashi-hen. Sure, it's an artistic choice that doesn't affect our ability to solve the mystery, but to me, it was a great visual metaphor with a meaningfully shocking payoff and a specific feeling of dread attached to it. If you thought that the looper eyes were jarring to look at prior to the reveal, I can see why the climactic reveal would also be jarring; I personally loved the visual metaphor, which is why I was blown away with the reveal. It's hard imo to convey something as abstract as having godlike powers at the expense of your humanity without breaking the show-don't-tell rule, but I think Gou did a pretty good job of doing just that, with the wide-eyed, iris-glowing, "supernatural" expression of insanity helping to convey that kind of corruption. >Satoko making a stupid mistake... I mean, it was foreshadowed in both the first episode and the opening. I can see why something so small would be a "stupid mistake" from the audience's perspective after she got away with so many other things in the previous arcs, but from Satoko's perspective, it makes sense for her insane desire to not lose specifically to Rika to trigger a memory of her straight-up losing to Rika at her own game (and by proxy potentially this game of fate). I don't think having the mystery set up from Rika's point of view would make the mystery any better (imo worse if anything) because the point of the first-cour mystery is for US, the "sharp viewers", to figure out the culprit. I agree that there aren't smaller mysteries that come together and tie into the greater mystery, but that's because those smaller mysteries in the OG were mainly part of the massive worldbuilding. There's no need to retread the same mystery of the Sonozaki family when the mystery is, as you said, why Rika's returned to June of 1983. Hindsight is 20-20; I don't agree that there was only one possible solution throughout the first cour. >I might be too focused... I want to see what Sotsu has in store for this aspect of the narrative, but sure, I can understand the annoyance of what I believe you're saying is Satoko's demeanor being too parallel to Umineko's Lambadelta. To me, it's not an unambiguously-forced connection to another work so much as it's an on-character portrayal of her innocent values being warped into something inhuman. |
Lyev said: I'm just so, so sad. I can't even be mad about how much I hated Gou. It literally annihilated Higurashi and it's legacy for me. The original concept and hopeful message of the series got nuked just because Satoko don't want to study, it's so stupid... I can't even. Exactly. It was a really unnecessary sequel that not only added nothing but took positives from the series away. |
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powerfactor said: Satoko goes from feeling bad for hurting some rich bitch from Rika's groupies to killing Rika without any build up. Looking at Rika from outside the window with clouded eyes isnt build up."Satoko was corrupted by the power of loops" completely misses the point. She had already fallen before that. Satoko's "corruption" happened when she decided to kill Rika, in her very first loop, way before she watched Rika's fragments. She didn't even knew if looping would actually work when she made that decision. It was a true murder-suicide. She may have been desensitized by watching Rika's fragments. It would have been nice for the show to put some focus on that if the writer/director wanted that to be a plot point. It could have been interesting to see Satoko's changing reactions used as a form of storytelling. Maybe it could have built up to her deadpan farewell to Satoshi. Another wasted opportunity. And gotta love the new strawman that was pulled above. Studying is the easy solution to Satoko's problem. But instead of that she decides to watch Rika's struggle for 100 years and then trap Rika for all eternity and keep killing Rika, herself and her friends and fellow villagers. It isnt the motive but it is easily the EASIEST means to solve her issues with Rika. But no, lets be a psycho lil bitch with looper powers with no proper steps. |
ssjokg said: powerfactor said: Satoko goes from feeling bad for hurting some rich bitch from Rika's groupies to killing Rika without any build up. Looking at Rika from outside the window with clouded eyes isnt build up."Satoko was corrupted by the power of loops" completely misses the point. She had already fallen before that. Satoko's "corruption" happened when she decided to kill Rika, in her very first loop, way before she watched Rika's fragments. She didn't even knew if looping would actually work when she made that decision. It was a true murder-suicide. She may have been desensitized by watching Rika's fragments. It would have been nice for the show to put some focus on that if the writer/director wanted that to be a plot point. It could have been interesting to see Satoko's changing reactions used as a form of storytelling. Maybe it could have built up to her deadpan farewell to Satoshi. Another wasted opportunity. And gotta love the new strawman that was pulled above. Studying is the easy solution to Satoko's problem. But instead of that she decides to watch Rika's struggle for 100 years and then trap Rika for all eternity and keep killing Rika, herself and her friends and fellow villagers. It isnt the motive but it is easily the EASIEST means to solve her issues with Rika. But no, lets be a psycho lil bitch with looper powers with no proper steps. Not at all; she went from her vow to share Rika's dream to an uncomfortable hell where everything about her is rejected to - from her perspective - Rika's outright betrayal and abandonment of Satoko. And even after the chandelier scene, there was plenty of build-up through heart-to-heart dialogue and looping before her ultimate decision to break Rika's mind. Absolutely; just looking at Rika from outside the window with clouded eyes isn't build-up. But everything else is. How is it that after all this time, you still don't know what a straw man is? In the most dumbed-down definition I can possibly give, it's literally just putting words in someone else's mouth as a way of dodging what they're saying and giving the false impression that you "owned" someone's argument when really you just "owned" something you made up. Studying would go DIRECTLY against Satoko's wish rather than help it considering it's EVERYTHING about St. Lucia that's hell to her, from the high-class cutthroat atmosphere to the snobby rich girls who see her as disgusting to Rika becoming an entirely different person to being entirely abandoned. |
Rinkusan said: ssjokg said: Satoko goes from feeling bad for hurting some rich bitch from Rika's groupies to killing Rika without any build up. Looking at Rika from outside the window with clouded eyes isnt build up. And gotta love the new strawman that was pulled above. Studying is the easy solution to Satoko's problem. But instead of that she decides to watch Rika's struggle for 100 years and then trap Rika for all eternity and keep killing Rika, herself and her friends and fellow villagers. It isnt the motive but it is easily the EASIEST means to solve her issues with Rika. But no, lets be a psycho lil bitch with looper powers with no proper steps. Not at all; she went from her vow to share Rika's dream to an uncomfortable hell where everything about her is rejected to - from her perspective - Rika's outright betrayal and abandonment of Satoko. And even after the chandelier scene, there was plenty of build-up through heart-to-heart dialogue and looping before her ultimate decision to break Rika's mind. Absolutely; just looking at Rika from outside the window with clouded eyes isn't build-up. But everything else is. How is it that after all this time, you still don't know what a straw man is? In the most dumbed-down definition I can possibly give, it's literally just putting words in someone else's mouth as a way of dodging what they're saying and giving the false impression that you "owned" someone's argument when really you just "owned" something you made up. Studying would go DIRECTLY against Satoko's wish rather than help it considering it's EVERYTHING about St. Lucia that's hell to her, from the high-class cutthroat atmosphere to the snobby rich girls who see her as disgusting to Rika becoming an entirely different person to being entirely abandoned. Hi and welcome to another circlejerk where you intentionally miss the point. Satoko's build up from the prime fragment up to the chandelier scene is non existent. There is nothing there to justify her transition from a bratty girl that has the ability to be worried about people she considers obstacles to gleeful murderer. So ignoring our issues with Satoko by focusing on "studying" isn't a strawman? Crazy how the world works. Also, Satoko was very willing to study with Rika. That's what she tried in the first loop which you ignore. So immediately jumping from that to killing, harassing and bullying Rika and even killing herself and then mind breaking her is bad writing no matter how you look at it. A broken promise shouldn't warrant such a reaction especially when Satoko was willing to a) give up on following Rika and b) try to study a few episodes ago. But sure lets ignore all that and justify Satoko using a mental trauma that is actually absent for the entirety of Gou. |
ssjokg said: Rinkusan said: Not at all; she went from her vow to share Rika's dream to an uncomfortable hell where everything about her is rejected to - from her perspective - Rika's outright betrayal and abandonment of Satoko. And even after the chandelier scene, there was plenty of build-up through heart-to-heart dialogue and looping before her ultimate decision to break Rika's mind. Absolutely; just looking at Rika from outside the window with clouded eyes isn't build-up. But everything else is. How is it that after all this time, you still don't know what a straw man is? In the most dumbed-down definition I can possibly give, it's literally just putting words in someone else's mouth as a way of dodging what they're saying and giving the false impression that you "owned" someone's argument when really you just "owned" something you made up. Studying would go DIRECTLY against Satoko's wish rather than help it considering it's EVERYTHING about St. Lucia that's hell to her, from the high-class cutthroat atmosphere to the snobby rich girls who see her as disgusting to Rika becoming an entirely different person to being entirely abandoned. Hi and welcome to another circlejerk where you intentionally miss the point. Satoko's build up from the prime fragment up to the chandelier scene is non existent. There is nothing there to justify her transition from a bratty girl that has the ability to be worried about people she considers obstacles to gleeful murderer. So ignoring our issues with Satoko by focusing on "studying" isn't a strawman? Crazy how the world works. Also, Satoko was very willing to study with Rika. That's what she tried in the first loop which you ignore. So immediately jumping from that to killing, harassing and bullying Rika and even killing herself and then mind breaking her is bad writing no matter how you look at it. A broken promise shouldn't warrant such a reaction especially when Satoko was willing to a) give up on following Rika and b) try to study a few episodes ago. But sure lets ignore all that and justify Satoko using a mental trauma that is actually absent for the entirety of Gou. Hi and welcome to another flame war where you double down with tu quoque's for the nth time. It's a shame; I literally just commented on how hopeful I was that this back and forth was finally over given that you were totally down with avoiding me like the plague after failing to gaslight me. I thought there was PLENTY of build up from the beginning of Satokowashi-hen to the chandelier scene, with plenty of things to justify her transition from a mischievous, carefree, and determined little girl who values her friends to an obsessed, mentally insane abuser with abandonment issues. But by all means, explain your claim that there was no build-up. Or are you just ignoring the specific details I pointed out both in the last reply and previous threads for the nth time? Yep. It's not a straw man. As vague as your reply was, you were calling out BakaDood's comment where he ACCURATELY states that people like yourself believe that "studying" is the core cause of Satoko's insanity. He disagrees and points out another cause (which, for the record, I somewhat disagree with because even though I agree the looper powers facilitated her descent into madness, it was her torn relationship with Rika and being inferior in the eyes of both Rika and the whole of St. Lucia that actually caused the descent in the first place). It's impossible to strawman someone when they're accurately representing your claim. It's like you completely ignored my reply. Thanks for pointing out Satoko's willingness to study with Rika, which helps MY argument against your shallow and vague "it's bad writing" comment. Going from being willing to study with Rika to wanting to break her willpower makes a TON of sense when you factor in the details presented in Satokowashi-hen that I just pointed out in the previous reply as well as previous threads because "studying" isn't actually the thing that's driving her completely insane. A broken promise shouldn't warrant such a reaction from any of us, but it MAKES SENSE that it spurred that kind of reaction from Satoko, someone we've already established has a ton of abandonment issues and also - less relevantly - someone whom we've established in previous threads that you straight-up do not understand given that to this day, you still stand by your inaccurate denial of how Satoko sees the worlds she abandons both before and, more hilariously, AFTER episode 24. Also, jeez why are you still doubling down on this stupid straw man that I or anyone else is trying to "justify Satoko" at all? |
| I wonder what are all those details that justfy her development to a psychopath. You go on and on about them but never mention them. What kind of detail makes the transition from brat to psychopath justified. Amazing how strawma works. Only when it is in your favor. Yes nobody understands Satoko. Not even Ryuukishi it seems Only you. You can't argue that she has those issues when the series never makes them an issue. They don't exist in Gou. Seeing people as Npcs and undesirable worlds as trash is something a psychopath would do but I guess Satoko still isn't one. Justifying Satoko's development and morally justifying her are two different things. Not sure if you cant comprehend something so simple or you are trying to strawman the hell out of it. So... waiting for those details now. |
ssjokg said: I wonder what are all those details that justfy her development to a psychopath. You go on and on about them but never mention them. What kind of detail makes the transition from brat to psychopath justified. Amazing how strawma works. Only when it is in your favor. Yes nobody understands Satoko. Not even Ryuukishi it seems Only you. You can't argue that she has those issues when the series never makes them an issue. They don't exist in Gou. Seeing people as Npcs and undesirable worlds as trash is something a psychopath would do but I guess Satoko still isn't one. Justifying Satoko's development and morally justifying her are two different things. Not sure if you cant comprehend something so simple or you are trying to strawman the hell out of it. So... waiting for those details now. It's like you completely forgot one of our older discussions where I argued that Satoko ISN'T a psychopath (the one where I played along with your blatant red herring). What details am I supposed to share if Satoko being a psychopath is an opinion I do NOT have? Unless you're idiotically confusing insanity with psychopathy, in which case, I pointed out the MANY events in Satokowashi-hen in one of my replies to you in the other thread to explain her warped transition (did the pre-chandelier talk, the talk before the truck scene, the talk with young Rika prior to the 2nd betrayal, and literally the last few minutes of episode 24 not ring a bell to you?). Pretty sure I referenced even more in our old conversations, but these are what I remember off the top of my head. And considering you're so active in these forums, I doubt you didn't see my essays-long conversation with a guy named Vell in another thread where we share each others' interpretations of the events in Gou, one of which involves episode 1 where the rivalry dynamic is a core part of Rika and Satoko's friendship (along with the other group members). Speaking of which, you could learn a thing or two from the guy since he knows how to argue and disagree in GOOD faith unlike you and your posse of disingenuous egomaniacs. Ah of course, because anything that's a strawman is a strawman purely because I said so. It totally has nothing to do with the textbook definition of the term that I copy-pasted and even dumbed down for you, and you're totally not throwing the word around in desperation without understanding what the term meant. No; I personally think that I and quite a handful of people lurking in these forums - you not included - understand Satoko as a character. Though I'm by no means claiming my interpretation or anyone's interpretation is the absolute truth; rather, I'm just bringing up the stupid hill you're dying on regarding how Satoko sees the worlds she abandons because episode 24 directly shits on your original claim in the other thread, yet you're still doubling down like a child pretending he understands stuff in general. It's fine that you had a different interpretation of Satoko's perspective; it's not fine that you tried to gaslight me for having a different interpretation, and it's cathartic to see your interpretation (and by proxy you, since that's how personally you're taking all of this) fall flat on your face thanks to Satoko's episode-24 dialogue. Correct; "seeing people as npcs and undesirable worlds as trash" is very characteristic of a psychopath. Good thing there're multiple criteria that make someone an actual clinically-diagnosed psychopath, and valuing your friends directly contradicts one of them. Looks like hasty generalization is another fallacy I can add to the ssj list. You did strawman me with the accusation that I was morally defending Satoko in the previous thread, and the way you worded your sentence here implied you were accusing me of doing just that again (that's what "justifying Satoko", as vaguely worded as you made it, means). Since we already established that you're just throwing words around as a desperate "no u" middle finger without fully understanding what certain words like "strawman" actually mean, I'm guessing this was just a simple honest grammar mistake, which for the record is perfectly reasonable and understandable to me and literally anyone else who isn't a Grammar Nazi. But we both know it's not fine for your fragile ego. So... waiting for you to dodge my "details" and the rest of my post like you have been for the past few weeks. |
| 5 paragraphs of completely dodging the current argument. You could have written not even half of it to explain why I am wrong NOW but no, you would rather unleash a text wall diarrhea of completely irrelevant bullshit. In these 10 hours you had I expected some detail I and others actually missed but no. Another worthless triggered post of nothing. You have nothing to say all you want is to circlejerk with people that dislike Gou. |
| Anybody can argue about character personalities and such until the end of time itself, but it doesnt change the simple fact that Satoko loops for the reason of breaking Rika not just to keep her from going to St Lucia, but to stop her from leaving Hinamaizawa at all. Rika loops to not die. I posted this before but, Satoko is not Insane. That was never the case. A insane or mad person is not cognisant of the nature of their actions. Satoko is, shes fully fits the definiton of a psychopath. Which is what I think Ryuukishi intends. |
ssjokg said: 5 paragraphs of completely dodging the current argument. You could have written not even half of it to explain why I am wrong NOW but no, you would rather unleash a text wall diarrhea of completely irrelevant bullshit. In these 10 hours you had I expected some detail I and others actually missed but no. Another worthless triggered post of nothing. You have nothing to say all you want is to circlejerk with people that dislike Gou. My guy, those "5 paragraphs" are DIRECTLY responding to each of your 5 comments in your reply. Not my fault you have the attention span of a goldfish. Like always, I gave plenty of detail - way more than most people usually put the effort to share. But of course you're desperately trying to avoid my comments (hell, you're still blatantly not quoting me). Another lazy dodge from sjw-okg. Of all the lies you've said, this is the most hilarious. Even you admitted that I write walls of text, so clearly I have the opposite of "nothing to say". Also, I love how you keep screwing up your insults; you probably meant to say that all I want to do is circlejerk with people who LIKE Gou. |
| "There are a lot of details" isnt a reply to my question of what these details are. Also still dodging the actual argument, ad hominem(my man just call me an asshole or a piece of shit, use insults that actually make sense, what are those twitter-sjw bs), strawman and repeat of every single of your paragraphs. Just because you write entire essays doesnt mean you say anything constructive. No, no, I mean circlejerk. There is no way you would keep this pointless back and forth if you didnt like it. You must be really getting off in pointless arguments while not actually saying anything. Even now you are mad that I didnt quote you as if the notification system doesn't exist, you attention seeking crusader. You just want to bask in the fake glory of this self righteous crusade you have been on for 3 fucking threads. Give us the details you claim that exist that make Satoko only insane(because that is somehow good writing, excusing any random action as insane with no build up). Give us the details that make her capable of using at will memory powers. Give us the details that make any part of this mess good. Or you can go back at "The details are there" and keep on writing 1000 word essays about irrelevant bullshit just to make us look bad. Nobody gives a shit if we look bad. Not us, not all the other users here lurking; Only you and jaw. Now you can either be "better than us" and actually say something that matters or keep up this charade. If it is the same old shit I wont even bother replying here or in any future replies from you. So think about it carefully. Your call. |
Hulio said: I personally found the first half of the first episode utterly disgusting, sexualizing Rika, that was utterly awful. The outcome of the episode turning back on Keiichi was hilarious though. I would have enjoyed the 2nd episode quite a lot, the parody was great, but Hanyuu gave me a HUGE headache. The episode I enjoyed the most was the 4th.Also whats all this hate for Kira. Kira was... very interesting, every episode was interesting (tho for different reasons) I quite liked it even when it had nothing to do with anything. |
rafaelfserafim said: yeah it was the complete sexualization of anything that turned me off completely.Hulio said: I personally found the first half of the first episode utterly disgusting, sexualizing Rika, that was utterly awful. The outcome of the episode turning back on Keiichi was hilarious though. I would have enjoyed the 2nd episode quite a lot, the parody was great, but Hanyuu gave me a HUGE headache. The episode I enjoyed the most was the 4th.Also whats all this hate for Kira. Kira was... very interesting, every episode was interesting (tho for different reasons) I quite liked it even when it had nothing to do with anything. I usually don't give a shit about that stuff but Higurashi used to only have suggestive framing, not gravure idol porn. |
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