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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Oh wow I get the honors of starting this discussion eh? I really like the interactions between the group and how Isayama portrays how everyone in the group has done some “evil” deeds in the past and how “saving the world” won’t wash away their sins. How Reiner owned up to killing Marco was awesome and he didn’t make any excuses either, he has easily become one of my favorite characters in this series. Well, see y’all in a month |
KanetopherMar 4, 2020 1:54 PM
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| This chapter gives me hope in a good ending after the shitshow that was 126, we finally take the time to develop the charachters. I like how Marco's last word's connected perfectly with the theme of the chapter, Isayama is truly a master to connect the dots. Also couldn't help but get flashbacks of meruem when i saw that panel of Gabi begging the corps, and i'm eager to see what wil be the next steps of her development. Looks like we still gonna get 7 more chapters to wrap up everything which is more than enough for Isayama to give us a satisfying ending ! |
| Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone. |
| Really liked the exchange between Eldians and Marleyans here, I feel like it was really needed to ease tension, but damn, Jean went savage for a second, I can't help but feel bad for all of them. Also, Mikasa's been getting a lot of gut punches lately lol This keeps getting better and better. |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
RabidFish said: why do so many facsist like this manga, godddd just drop it. it's not the chauvinist paradise porno you wanted it to be, just give up on ittt. The fascists are all gathered in Titanfolk not here. |
| Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone. |
| Ok wow.. This chapter is amazing! It fixed all the underlined issues of chp 126. We got all the interactions we needed & expected and more. It was very realistic in that people who have wronged each other won't easily unite. Easily in my top 10 chapters of AoT. 10/10 |
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RabidFish said: yea it's mostly civil here, but god damn if i have to read one more "based" opinion of a 13 yo on mangadex, i swear-- Yeah I noticed the insanely childish opinions there. Like BLOOD! GENOCIDE! Fuck the themes that the series has been building for so long! |
| welp the author did not give any good reasons to stop the genocide of Eren im worried about the message this manga will give later on "we have not talked" is the last words of Marco lol talk no jutsu will save the world |
| This chapter was a lot better than last one, so glad it's back on being good in quality again. |
| Hange's idealistic bs keeps getting on my nerves. No shit genocide is bad. But what Jean said is true. Yet she is cooperating with Marleyans without talking about what happens if Eren is stopped. Armin and his gang isn't any better. Bunch of optimistic children trying to stop Eren with talk no jutsu. |
| There's no way in hell this ends with a peaceful discussion. Either everyone on the island dies, or everyone else dies. That's the only way I can see this ending. Sad to see how many of them are siding against Eren when they should know better. |
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| This chapter was better than the previous but muh the alliance is really boring and uninteresting, hope we return soon to eren and zeke or historia . |
| I love how this chapter is a slap in the face to anyone who agrees with the Rumbling morally speaking in snk universe. I mean even Marco last words were brought as a call back. It's realistic. Ofc no logical person would agree with Eren masscaring everyone. Isayama even showed Erwin would be against the rumbling as well lel |
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deg said: welp the author did not give any good reasons to stop the genocide of Eren im worried about the message this manga will give later on "we have not talked" is the last words of Marco lol talk no jutsu will save the world What the hell? Did you read the same chapter as the rest of us? What other message do you want besides them mentioning all the chapter in many ways that even if they’re wiped out after, they must stop the genocide because it is all kinds of wrong and the fascist Yeager faction is being painted as the ‘evil’ faction. Look at the post above. |
cAbaddonMar 4, 2020 3:59 PM
| Great chapter. This is what we needed after how rushed last chapter felt. All of these character interactions and moments were necessary in order for this collaboration not to have been felt so forced and unnatural. They can’t just let bygones be bygones. Especially in this situation |
| I can't believe I've waited a whole month and this particular day for this garbage. And I've thought last chapter was bad, whooboy, 40 pages of DIALOGUES! That was "exciting"! The only one who I could have forgiven for that- NisioIsin. And Isayama is not him. First you compress 2-3 chapters into 1, and then you just info-dumping readers with everything needed to say and done in the next one? Now that's just awful writing. I've lost all hope this manga ends somehow cool and not leaves everyone dissapointed. Can't wait to hear Armin's talk-no-jutsu, but hey, if this doesn't work he always could try to kill himself like he tried in the last chapter. |
cAbaddon said: deg said: welp the author did not give any good reasons to stop the genocide of Eren im worried about the message this manga will give later on "we have not talked" is the last words of Marco lol talk no jutsu will save the world What the hell? Did you read the same chapter as the rest of us? What other message do you want besides them mentioning all the chapter in many ways that even if they’re wiped out after, they must stop the genocide because it is all kinds of wrong and the fascist Yeager faction is being painted as the ‘evil’ faction. Look at the post above. calm down fanboy im talking about Hange cannot properly counter or give better reasons to help both Eldians and the rest of the World, because Jean is right that at this point if they help the rest of the world then Eldians might be the one that will taste genocide |
deg said: cAbaddon said: What the hell? Did you read the same chapter as the rest of us? What other message do you want besides them mentioning all the chapter in many ways that even if they’re wiped out after, they must stop the genocide because it is all kinds of wrong and the fascist Yeager faction is being painted as the ‘evil’ faction. Look at the post above. calm down fanboy im talking about Hange cannot properly counter or give better reasons to help both Eldians and the rest of the World, because Jean is right that at this point if they help the rest of the world then Eldians might be the one that will taste genocide Fanboy because I’m pointing you to an obvious point that anyone without an agenda can easily notice? Okay then. You’re ‘worried’ about the message of a series that has the main characters morally against the genocide even if this could mean their own extermination. Think about it. One of themes of the series has always been the cycles of war and violence and how they’ve ruined everything for 2000 years, the series cannot end with the biggest cycle of violence yet, just remember Krueger words to Grisha. |
cAbaddonMar 4, 2020 4:42 PM
| This chapter just made me dislike Hange a lot, and like Jean more than before since what he said is pretty much what has been on my mind while reading the recent chapters. I really appreciate that we finally got to see the characters together and how they feel about this, seeing their different opinions on the situation was great.... though, i'm still worried about what is going to happen next. |
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| This was a well handled chapter, especially compared to the last. Things smoothly moved on this time and fixed problems along the way. I'm glad things that needed to be said got brought up and that we actually felt the tension between the opposing characters. I'm really appreciating Gabi's development, she's managing to keep a clear mind and seems somewhat more mature compared to others now lol Looking forward to Floch just being Floch next chapter and fucking up the situation even more. |
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| this chapter fixed everything happened in chapter 126, and Jean got so many spotlights. i like how marco's last words have an impact to this. its time to get back to eren, zeke and historia. we really need them now |
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| Many can say this chapter is boring. But to me and possibly many others, this chapter has an impact with what is going on. Everyone having to talk it out seems reasonable enough. Many of these guys are at each others throats because this and that. But in the end. There is not justification in their actions. Everybody is a demon or devil. |
| Great chapter, this one was much better than the previous chapter which felt like one of the weakest chapter in attack on titan for a good while now, I think I will compare chapter 126 with chapter 59. I really like the interaction between both faction the conversation felt natural. I also told people to not jump to conclusion based on this chapter, based on Isayama records he has done this all the time, where he writes a chapter and the audience doubt his writing skills and then in future chapters he just tun it upside down and use a uno card on the readers. And I know that people will still not learn from this, and continue to underestimate Isayama writing skills, persons some how don't notice Isayama writing pattern even now. He always write in a way to make the audience believe something and then uno them in the last minute. Also love that Isayama brought up all the questions/prior discussion from all the readers and basically put it out there through the characters, this also pretty much means that Isayama is well aware of these concerns and for the persons being scared that the characters will talk no jutsu Eren, you don't need to worry as they characters even pointed out that killing Eren wont fix shit, so let us see where this goes. And I'm really liking Yelena even more! |
| despite all people disagreeing I agree with Eren plan even If my most favourite anime character all time levi who disagree with it Hanji like rest of them are fools for not thinking paradis future like Eren. If all of them end dying I am talking about Hanji and all those who oppose Eren I honestly can t say anythingelse other than you guys seal your own fate and I can t feel sympathy for you guys even If it levi who dies. I am still supporting Eren plan I am not sway by trivial morals if it for greater good Heck at this point I don t care who lives or dies anymore. Most of them shortsight or jerkass or not thinking this through. give Jean cookie point for being only one who actually think for paradis future Hanji really annoy me this chapter. her lets be friend attitude and up stupid moral compass makes her stupid and causing me nausea. I honestly don t like direction how story is heading now. So Eren is potray as bad guy and scapegoat just because he wants to protect people he care about? Hanji saying they were able to talk without killing each other ironics that because Eren being so call big bad there were able to do that or not this situation will never happen. Eren might have went too far but like jean said they push him too this and force his hand. Levi should think about this what will happen If Eren is stop and what will happen to paradis future? Levi is the type who pragramatic and priotiose logic over feelings. If oppose Eren I need big reason why. Immoral? He should know Eren reason Everyone besides Eren and Jean from paradis side turn numbskull on me. I am dissapoint with SNK manga I am not liking direction of this manga now. |
SubaruHoshinaMar 4, 2020 8:36 PM
Tanjiro_Kanao_30 said: despite all people disagreeing I agree with Eren plan even If my most favourite anime character all time levi disagree with it Hanji like rest of them are fools for not thinking paradis future like Eren. If all of them end dying I am talking about Hanji and all those who oppose Eren I honestly can t say anythingelse other than you guys seal your own fate and I can t feel sympathy for you guys even If it levi who dies. I still supporting Eren plan I am not sway by trivial morals if it for greater good Heck at this point I don t care who lives or dies anymore. Most of them shortsight or jerkass or not thinking this through. give Jean cookie point for being only one who actually think for paradis future Hanji really annoy me this chapter. her lets be friend attitude and up stupid moral compass makes her stupid and causing me nausea. I honestly don t like direction how story is heading now. So Eren is potray as bad guy and scapegoat just because he wants to protect people he care about? Hanji saying they were able to talk without killing each other ironics that because Eren being so call big bad there were able to do that or not this situation will never happen. Eren might have went too far but like jean said they push him too this and force his hand. I am dissapoint with SNK manga i am not liking direction of this manga now. I'm reading your post here, but I'm not seeing any reason in this post showing why you are disappointed in this manga? Is it simple because some of the characters don't have the same views as you? If you haven't notice is the point is that there is no good vs evil, there are multiple faction with each faction/person sharing different views and opinion. The fanbase is also split up as well, based off your comments you are on Yeager faction side and that is fine. But the series would be a a lot shallow and a lot less realistic if everyone share your view point. So I'm not getting why you are disappointed with snk manga, because Isayama is simple showing the readers all the options to stop Eren and also bringing up all the questions and discussions that has been going on in all these forums. people see the characters mention "Trying to talk it out with Eren" And starts to panic that snk is going the happy fairy tale happily ever after ending route, just because the author is laying out one of many options, not to mention Yelena pointing out all the flaws in both faction and even saying she is different from Hanji group because she isn't interested in saving the world like them. You guys need to think deeply and ask yourself would talk no jutsu fix anything if they were to change Eren mind? And I'm pretty sure if you think about it, you will know that talk no jutsu wont change anything, so it is obvious this isn't the solution. You guys also need to keep in mind that they still have a tiny hope that they can change Eren mind because its their friend that they have known for years now, it would be unrealistic that none of the characters brought up the possibility of maybe talking to Eren to change his mind and Annie even pointed it out and knew that Killing Eren is the last option for them. So you have to think outside the box here and read between the lines. |
keragammingMar 4, 2020 8:54 PM
| Loved the personification of Hange and Jean's debate in terms of Anti-Rumbling and Pro-Rumbling factions within the fandom. Also loved the fact that they haven't forgotten the atrocities of each other. Seems like there will be a form of battle in the harbor, and Armin and the ones who are left will confront Eren from the blimp they get from Kiyomi and we finally get Eren's POV. |
keragamming said: Tanjiro_Kanao_30 said: despite all people disagreeing I agree with Eren plan even If my most favourite anime character all time levi disagree with it Hanji like rest of them are fools for not thinking paradis future like Eren. If all of them end dying I am talking about Hanji and all those who oppose Eren I honestly can t say anythingelse other than you guys seal your own fate and I can t feel sympathy for you guys even If it levi who dies. I still supporting Eren plan I am not sway by trivial morals if it for greater good Heck at this point I don t care who lives or dies anymore. Most of them shortsight or jerkass or not thinking this through. give Jean cookie point for being only one who actually think for paradis future Hanji really annoy me this chapter. her lets be friend attitude and up stupid moral compass makes her stupid and causing me nausea. I honestly don t like direction how story is heading now. So Eren is potray as bad guy and scapegoat just because he wants to protect people he care about? Hanji saying they were able to talk without killing each other ironics that because Eren being so call big bad there were able to do that or not this situation will never happen. Eren might have went too far but like jean said they push him too this and force his hand. I am dissapoint with SNK manga i am not liking direction of this manga now. I'm reading your post here, but I'm not seeing any reason in this post showing why you are disappointed in this manga? Is it simple because some of the characters don't have the same views as you? If you haven't notice is the point is that there is no good vs evil, there are multiple faction with each faction/person sharing different views and opinion. The fanbase is also split up as well, based off your comments you are on Yeager faction side and that is fine. But the series would be a a lot shallow and a lot less realistic if everyone share your view point. So I'm not getting why you are disappointed with snk manga, because Isayama is simple showing the readers all the options to stop Eren and also bringing up all the questions and discussions that has been going on in all these forums. people see the characters mention "Trying to talk it out with Eren" And starts to panic that snk is going the happy fairy tale happily ever after ending route, just because the author is laying out one of many options, not to mention Yelena pointing out all the flaws in both faction and even saying she is different from Hanji group because she isn't interested in saving the world like them. You guys need to think deeply and ask yourself would talk no jutsu fix anything if they were to change Eren mind? And I'm pretty sure if you think about it, you will know that talk no jutsu wont change anything, so it is obvious this isn't the solution. You guys also need to keep in mind that they still have a tiny hope that they can change Eren mind because its their friend that they have known for years now, it would be unrealistic that none of the characters brought up the possibility of maybe talking to Eren to change his mind and Annie even pointed it out and knew that Killing Eren is the last option for them. So you have to think outside the box here and read between the lines. Why I am dissapointed? because they gonna turn Eren into ping pong ball of hatred like lelouch from code geass despite all atrocities and crimes are started by Marley and even current eldians having nothing to do with eldian ancestors crimes. Sins of ancestors isn t fault of descedant. So all faults is gonna get bash on Eren who himself is victim of all this as well It simple if your grand father is rapist and mass murder doesn t make you a bad guy. Marley and Rest of world should pay for their crimes for that mentality but now suddenly Eren is gonna be focus on all their crimes. I know that I am seeing different point of views and I understand how they feel and I get it But they didn t reconsider Eren decision and what neccesary and what is vital to their survivals. Genocide is wrong sure. But what force Eren into this role? They all should think and why Eren did all that. If they end like Code geass I be extremely dissapointed and angry Eren Isn t blame for half problem in the series. Marley and rest of world should also be paid for their crimes. The direction seems to heading Eren alone will end up being scapegoats of all their crimes and atrocities. Which one again is bullshit just like what happen to Lelouch. All those shit Marley and rest world did will be focus on Eren. Which once again is absolutely stupid. |
SubaruHoshinaMar 4, 2020 9:10 PM
zerotitan said: Tanjiro_Kanao_30 said: despite all people disagreeing I agree with Eren plan even If my most favourite anime character all time levi disagree with it Hanji like rest of them are fools for not thinking paradis future like Eren. If all of them end dying I am talking about Hanji and all those who oppose Eren I honestly can t say anythingelse other than you guys seal your own fate and I can t feel sympathy for you guys even If it levi who dies. I still supporting Eren plan I am not sway by trivial morals if it for greater good Heck at this point I don t care who lives or dies anymore. Most of them shortsight or jerkass or not thinking this through. give Jean cookie point for being only one who actually think for paradis future Hanji really annoy me this chapter. her lets be friend attitude and up stupid moral compass makes her stupid and causing me nausea. I honestly don t like direction how story is heading now. So Eren is potray as bad guy and scapegoat just because he wants to protect people he care about? Hanji saying they were able to talk without killing each other ironics that because Eren being so call big bad there were able to do that or not this situation will never happen. Eren might have went too far but like jean said they push him too this and force his hand. I am dissapoint with SNK manga i am not liking direction of this manga now. Come on, give your disappointment a rest for a bit, you don't know how it is gonna end yet. They have specifically said that Eren had to do what he is doing because they couldn't think of anything else and they were running out of time, so they are not seeing Eren as some evil monster, Jean had already brought out the possibility that even if Eren is stopped somehow it can cause the imminent destruction of paradise which Eren is trying to stop, Mikasa said that killing Eren isn't the only way out, anyways even if they try to kill him, it is almost impossible to do so, Eren is so god damn op right now. We are supposed to get a bittersweet ending. Having faith in the author for a little more after he delivered time and again won't hurt. You are right I guess we will see. But I am not impress so far. |
| Jean's questions made a lot of sense. Even if the alliance is able to stop eren (by killing or by talk-no-jutsuing) the hatred world has for Paradis won't go away. They will react and strike back - like hange said maybe in a few months or a few years. The pursuit to answer to that question is what is making AOT's recent chapters soo good. Hope to see a satisfying ending to this series. |
RabidFish said: deg said: calm down fanboy im talking about Hange cannot properly counter or give better reasons to help both Eldians and the rest of the World, because Jean is right that at this point if they help the rest of the world then Eldians might be the one that will taste genocide One of the major themes os AoT has been decisions, doing what's right and ultimately knowing that there's no way to know whether you made the right decision until after you've taken action (or decided to not take action). Jean is right, yes, but he's still going to do what he thinks is right, even if it goes against logic or his own gut. Just learn to fucking read already, geez, it's not classic russian literature, people. lol this is so obvious, major theme is to make decisions lol decision making is every part of stories right? cAbaddon said: deg said: calm down fanboy im talking about Hange cannot properly counter or give better reasons to help both Eldians and the rest of the World, because Jean is right that at this point if they help the rest of the world then Eldians might be the one that will taste genocide Fanboy because I’m pointing you to an obvious point that anyone without an agenda can easily notice? Okay then. You’re ‘worried’ about the message of a series that has the main characters morally against the genocide even if this could mean their own extermination. Think about it. One of themes of the series has always been the cycles of war and violence and how they’ve ruined everything for 2000 years, the series cannot end with the biggest cycle of violence yet, just remember Krueger words to Grisha. thats the thing the cycle of hatred/violence can be solve only by genocide of one side? that is the message? or the message is utilitarianism that is the greatest good for the greatest number? so since Eldians are the minority then they should just sacrifice themselves? its no different than what Zeke wants too with how Hange responded to Jean so im looking for a solution that can save both sides (Eldians side and the rest of the World side) maybe Armin can say a better talk no jutsu than Hange in upcoming chapters.... |
Tanjiro_Kanao_30 said: keragamming said: I'm reading your post here, but I'm not seeing any reason in this post showing why you are disappointed in this manga? Is it simple because some of the characters don't have the same views as you? If you haven't notice is the point is that there is no good vs evil, there are multiple faction with each faction/person sharing different views and opinion. The fanbase is also split up as well, based off your comments you are on Yeager faction side and that is fine. But the series would be a a lot shallow and a lot less realistic if everyone share your view point. So I'm not getting why you are disappointed with snk manga, because Isayama is simple showing the readers all the options to stop Eren and also bringing up all the questions and discussions that has been going on in all these forums. people see the characters mention "Trying to talk it out with Eren" And starts to panic that snk is going the happy fairy tale happily ever after ending route, just because the author is laying out one of many options, not to mention Yelena pointing out all the flaws in both faction and even saying she is different from Hanji group because she isn't interested in saving the world like them. You guys need to think deeply and ask yourself would talk no jutsu fix anything if they were to change Eren mind? And I'm pretty sure if you think about it, you will know that talk no jutsu wont change anything, so it is obvious this isn't the solution. You guys also need to keep in mind that they still have a tiny hope that they can change Eren mind because its their friend that they have known for years now, it would be unrealistic that none of the characters brought up the possibility of maybe talking to Eren to change his mind and Annie even pointed it out and knew that Killing Eren is the last option for them. So you have to think outside the box here and read between the lines. Why I am dissapointed? because they gonna turn Eren into ping pong ball of hatred like lelouch from code geass despite all atrocities and crimes are started by Marley and even current eldians having nothing to do with eldian ncestors crimes. Sins of ancestors isn t fault of descedant. So all faults is gonna get bash on Eren who himself is victim of all this as well It simple if your grand father is rapist and mass murder doesn t make you a bad guy. Marley and Rest of world should pay for their crimes but now suddenly Eren is gonna be focus on all their crimes. I know that I am seeing different point of views and I understand how they feel and I get it But they didn t reconsider Eren decision and what neccesary and what is vital to the survivals. Genocide is wrong sure. But what force Eren into this role? They all should think and why Eren did all that. If think end like Code geass I be extremely dissapointed and angry Eren Isn t blame for half problem in the series. Marley and rest of world should also be paid for their crimes. The direction seems to heading Eren alone will end being scapegoats of all their crimes and atrocities. Which one again is bullshit just like what happen to Lelouch. The problem here is and just to point out, this is not just you but many comments I'm seeing all over the net. Persons are saying the manga is shit or is bad simple because a group of characters share an opinion that they think should not be. I could understand only if the entire cast of characters share this opinion, it would mean the author is sending a message to the viewers that this is the only view point they should have, the thing is there are different faction to the point where each person can lean towards one of them, I've said it already you seem to lean towards Yeager faction. Which ultimately meaning the author isn't trying to say one way is better than the other, he is basically pointing out all the bad/flaws in all these view points and is giving the viewers to choose their side, that is the here. So I think it would be fair for you to criticize the characters that share that view point instead of the entire series, since its not being bias at all and is simple being realistic as possible. Hence why the fanbase is so split. @deg "so im looking for a solution that can save both sides (Eldians side and the rest of the World side)" And this is why this manga is interesting, because there is no clear conclusion to fix this. Compare to Naruto or most series where you know if they kill the bad guy then that is it the world is saved the end, in attack on titan even killing Eren wont stop anything. The thing is though, I'm pretty sure the rumbling is going to kill many people. Think about it, the wall titans has been teased for years, they are now finally released and they are stopped somehow without killing a lot of people? Anybody not even a author knows that would be anti climatic and will disappoint many people and since I've read Isayama latest interview, he said he wants to leave an big impact on the audience and for him inflicting pain to his readers is what he is looking for, so ever since I've read that interview I knew basically majority of the cast and probably a good chunk of people will die including Eren. Basically we are getting a bittersweet ending, and the happy part will probably be related to the final panel. |
keragammingMar 4, 2020 9:24 PM
keragamming said: Tanjiro_Kanao_30 said: Why I am dissapointed? because they gonna turn Eren into ping pong ball of hatred like lelouch from code geass despite all atrocities and crimes are started by Marley and even current eldians having nothing to do with eldian ncestors crimes. Sins of ancestors isn t fault of descedant. So all faults is gonna get bash on Eren who himself is victim of all this as well It simple if your grand father is rapist and mass murder doesn t make you a bad guy. Marley and Rest of world should pay for their crimes but now suddenly Eren is gonna be focus on all their crimes. I know that I am seeing different point of views and I understand how they feel and I get it But they didn t reconsider Eren decision and what neccesary and what is vital to the survivals. Genocide is wrong sure. But what force Eren into this role? They all should think and why Eren did all that. If think end like Code geass I be extremely dissapointed and angry Eren Isn t blame for half problem in the series. Marley and rest of world should also be paid for their crimes. The direction seems to heading Eren alone will end being scapegoats of all their crimes and atrocities. Which one again is bullshit just like what happen to Lelouch. The problem here is and just to point out, this is not just you but many comments I'm seeing all over the net. Persons are saying the manga is shit or is bad simple because a group of characters share an opinion that they think should not be. I could understand only if the entire cast of characters share this opinion, it would mean the author is sending a message to the viewers that this is the only view point they should have, the thing is there are different faction to the point where each person can lean towards one of them, I've said it already you seem to lean towards Yeager faction. Which ultimately meaning the author isn't trying to say one way is better than the other, he is basically pointing out all the bad/flaws in all these view points and is giving the viewers to choose their side, that is the here. So I think it would be fair for you to criticize the characters that share that view point instead of the entire series, since its not being bias at all and is simple being realistic as possible. Hence why the fanbase is so split. You are correct I guess got too emotional. I lean with yeager faction its because it most realistic and logical outcome and what guarantee their survival. Honestly if their was different way I would not agree with Eren plan. |
SubaruHoshinaMar 4, 2020 9:24 PM
Tanjiro_Kanao_30 said: I lean with yeager faction its because it most realistic and logical outcome and what guarantee their survival. Honestly if their was different way I would not agree with Eren plan. or maybe you agree with Eren because their side is the main focus of the story, what if the other side of the coin is shown more that is the countless killing of the Eldian empire back in the old days was shown and the author give more sympathy to the victims of the Eldian empire as this chapter says the whole History is the bigger picture hence the cycle of hate/violence occurs Marley simply learned from Eldians that "might makes right" thats why they want to be a superpower of the world like the Eldian Empire was @keragamming while that is good and all im sure a lot of fans will look back and say the answer to the cycle of hate/violence is just kill or be killed which is kinda done to death too like in the case of other shonens like Naruto its just with Naruto you clearly know whose the good side and who is the bad side |
deg said: @keragamming while that is good and all im sure a lot of fans will look back and say the answer to the cycle of hate/violence is just kill or be killed which is kinda done to death too like in the case of other shonens like Naruto its just with Naruto you clearly know whose the good side and who is the bad side I'm not too sure about that, as Isayama has constantly said that he wont be trying to shoehorn any type of ending message, he wants the readers to interpret it however they like, like what he is doing now when it comes to the faction and how different persons in this thread chooses whoever is closer to their view point. Now I don't know how it is going to be resolve, If I should choose it is none of the above that you mention but instead all faction dies with maybe one or two characters surviving and then we get some sort of ambiguous ending with the final panel in mind. And I'm getting this type of opinion based off not just from the story but based off his interviews especially the later ones 2018/2019. You will see why I think we are getting some type of ambiguous ending and also why I think most people in this chapter will be dead by the end of the manga and it pretty hints at that when Yelena points out all the bad that they both did, showing that none is more righteous than the other. Based off Isayama track record with earlier arcs, he loves going the grey area, he is the type of writer that wants his story to have different interpretation and to make it ambiguous. |
keragamming said: deg said: @keragamming while that is good and all im sure a lot of fans will look back and say the answer to the cycle of hate/violence is just kill or be killed which is kinda done to death too like in the case of other shonens like Naruto its just with Naruto you clearly know whose the good side and who is the bad side I'm not too sure about that, as Isayama has constantly said that he wont be trying to shoehorn any type of ending message, he wants the readers to interpret it however they like, like what he is doing now when it comes to the faction and how different persons in this thread chooses whoever is closer to their view point. Now I don't know how it is going to be resolve, If I should choose it is none of the above that you mention but instead all faction dies with maybe one or two characters surviving and then we get some sort of ambiguous ending with the final panel in mind. And I'm getting this type of opinion based off not just from the story but based off his interviews especially the later ones 2018/2019. You will see why I think we are getting some type of ambiguous ending. Based off Isayama track record with earlier arcs, he loves going the grey area, he is the type of writer that wants his story to have different interpretation and to make it ambiguous. >ambiguous ending open ending then? damn i can see that now especially if he wants to show a moral gray area like you said i want a conclusive ending even if i disagree with it damn it |
deg said: keragamming said: I'm not too sure about that, as Isayama has constantly said that he wont be trying to shoehorn any type of ending message, he wants the readers to interpret it however they like, like what he is doing now when it comes to the faction and how different persons in this thread chooses whoever is closer to their view point. Now I don't know how it is going to be resolve, If I should choose it is none of the above that you mention but instead all faction dies with maybe one or two characters surviving and then we get some sort of ambiguous ending with the final panel in mind. And I'm getting this type of opinion based off not just from the story but based off his interviews especially the later ones 2018/2019. You will see why I think we are getting some type of ambiguous ending. Based off Isayama track record with earlier arcs, he loves going the grey area, he is the type of writer that wants his story to have different interpretation and to make it ambiguous. >ambiguous ending open ending then? damn i can see that now especially if he wants to show a moral gray area like you said i want a conclusive ending even if i disagree with it damn it Based off the final panel, you will get a conclusive ending in a sense that That is the feeling I get when I see that final panel after all the destruction there is a little hope at the end, but what comes before that or how the battle ends will be the ambiguous part. Which means it probably wont end as how we think it will end as in Eren and the rest of the faction demise. |
keragammingMar 4, 2020 9:54 PM
keragamming said: deg said: >ambiguous ending open ending then? damn i can see that now especially if he wants to show a moral gray area like you said i want a conclusive ending even if i disagree with it damn it Based off the final panel, you will get a conclusive ending in a sense that That is the feeling I get when I see that final panel after all the destruction there is a little hope at the end, but what comes before that or how the battle ends will be the ambiguous part. Which means it probably wont end as how we think it will end as in Eren and the rest of the faction demise. to me that is an open ending as its gonna be left to the viewers interpretation on what the ending really is which is a shame if that happens imo but a well lets see it at this point 3 chapters remain right? or you think this will have like 10 more chapters which is unlikely considering the anime final season is close too |
deg said: keragamming said: Based off the final panel, you will get a conclusive ending in a sense that That is the feeling I get when I see that final panel after all the destruction there is a little hope at the end, but what comes before that or how the battle ends will be the ambiguous part. Which means it probably wont end as how we think it will end as in Eren and the rest of the faction demise. to me that is an open ending as its gonna be left to the viewers interpretation on what the ending really is which is a shame if that happens imo but a well lets see it at this point 3 chapters remain right? or you think this will have like 10 more chapters which is unlikely considering the anime final season is close too That is where the author comes in. lol So none of us will know exactly how it ends until those chapters are released, so it is not definite that this is how it will happen just my conclusion based off his interviews and how he has written this manga. at this point 3 chapters remain right? or you think this will have like 10 more chapters which is unlikely considering the anime final season is close too I don't think it will end in 3 chapters, I'm not sure why you think it is unlikely that 10 more chapters cant be released just because of the anime. The content for season 4 from October to December will most likely be chapter 91 to 106 or 110. And this is assuming the final season isn't split cour, so 10 more chapters mean the manga will end on January 2021 and Isayama said at the start of the new year that he is going to try and finish the manga this year, meaning he isn't sure if he will able to put out all the contents by the end of the year. fmab final episode came out just a few weeks after the final chapter was release, animating a episode takes about 2 weeks or even a week once they are in production(correct me if I'm wrong) but I remember that was what happen for season 1 of snk, so its not like a thing where they need months to make a single episodes unless its a high budget battle episode, but if its just animating the final episode which most likely will be dialogue and no action, it wont be a problem. |
| @keragamming @zerotitan ok and im just gonna correct you about this For an average TV series (though again this is by no means definitive) each team will start with two months or more to complete each episode, but after a few episodes schedule creep sets in, and start date will slip later and later. Some episodes will get seven weeks. Then six. There are times when whole episodes are produced in as little as four or five weeks. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2018-03-16/.129066 |
deg said: @keragamming @zerotitan ok and im just gonna correct you about this For an average TV series (though again this is by no means definitive) each team will start with two months or more to complete each episode, but after a few episodes schedule creep sets in, and start date will slip later and later. Some episodes will get seven weeks. Then six. There are times when whole episodes are produced in as little as four or five weeks. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2018-03-16/.129066 Ok, though I was sure I remember season 1 was struggling and they even finish episodes minutes before it would air on tv and I was sure I saw week or even two, but I will take your facts as the truth. But that still doesn't stop the final few episodes from having problem, as the chapters to be animated from Nov-jan 2021 will be near the end of March for the winter season. which means they will have two + month to work on the final 2 episodes. And again I need to stress that their is a high chance it will be split cour, thus meaning part 2 of season 4 will take the winter break and perhaps start back in April or summer. So whichever way you look at it, it is pretty doable. |
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