| In reply to this thread.http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1459555 if this was the case, why would it be so hard to believe? Do you guys actually believe that people with similar taste to yours or to your belief know a good anime from a bad anime will like everything that you like? Or vice versa? For eg. ABe, Yoshitoshi, http://myanimelist.net/people/1991/Yoshitoshi_ABe the creater of haibane renmai and serial experimental Lain is a big snk fan. He tweeted in August how much he enjoyed reading snk volume 17 after its release. To the serial lain fans "which ironically is consist of mostly elitist" who don't like snk, do you lose some respect from him, just because of that? Hopefully not. So I don't see why people would think it would be the end of the world if Miyazaki actually said that he liked sao. The world isn't as one dimensional as you think guys. |
keragamming said: The world isn't as one dimensional as you think guys. Yup. Internet western anime community is pretty close minded and critical for the sake of being critical. |
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| I'll just sit here and laugh at all the close-minded fucks who would lose respect for someone based on what they do and don't enjoy. They can all have fun with their petty lives. |
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| There's an important thing called context. SAO is the embodiment of otaku culture and Miyazaki would have to be blind deaf and dumb to say he likes the show despite his obvious stance against said group. |
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Why would it be so hard to believe? Because anime was a mistake |
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| > speaks about the world not being "one dimensional" > tags people for liking x anime |
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| Doesn't matter what kind of show the author loves. i'll judge them based on their work, even if he were to be fan of my favorite show, I'll hate him if he keep creating bad show. |
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MahadoKusanagi said: I would not be able to take him seriously with SAO in his favorites then.Ratohnhaketon said: There's an important thing called context. SAO is the embodiment of otaku culture and Miyazaki would have to be blind deaf and dumb to say he likes the show despite his obvious stance against said group. But what if he likes it despite his stance against that group because he can separate both. So, therefore it would be so hard to believe that he likes SAO. |
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| I lost respect for ABe Yoshitoshi when I couldn't even watch Lain, Haibane and Nien are still good though. Still don't compare AoT to SAO, there's jumping one too many sharks in the world building and then there's making the main character overpowered because actual gamering nerds didn't buy the game and giving him all the girls because you only played a video game for a day and don't know how romance works but you decided to rip off .hack and have them get married anyways. I still think most people who like objectively "good" things tend to like other good things minus a few they just can't get over (like I said, Lain is just too weird but his other stuff is good and I also really enjoyed Wolf's Rain). |
MahadoKusanagi said: If SAO is good, then what the hell was he thinking with Princess Mononoke?Ratohnhaketon said: I would not be able to take him seriously with SAO in his favorites then. Why? Because you dont like it? What you consider to be crap, maybe he considers it to be good. |
| Who gives a shit about what other people think? Lain is one of my favorite anime, but I don't care that it's creator has "sub par" tastes. I don't have anything against SNK, anyway. I also love NGE, but Anno is an asshole, so what are ya gonna do. The one thing I don't get is your deal with elitists, Keragamming. What, did elitists kill your family? |
Status_EffectDec 17, 2015 2:22 AM
MahadoKusanagi said: His principles and views on the topic would be hypocritical and make no sense. He can't condemn otaku tailored anime while enjoying it.Why? Because you dont like it? What you consider to be crap, maybe he considers it to be good. |
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tsudecimo said: Internet western anime community is pretty close minded and critical for the sake of being critical. But criticism = good. Much better than being complacent with all forms of media. |
MahadoKusanagi said: This article leads me to believe that he opposes unrealistic portrayals of human beings. He specifically saysDoes he criticize Anime of that sort or does he only criticize the group being that Fanbase? Because as far as i see it, he dislikes Otaku (specifically what he calls "Gun Otaku") but doesnt seem that the same goes for the anime itself "Whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, 'Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life.'" I can't see him liking the girls in SAO, especially Silica, if he values realism over fun. |
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| Is the Myazaki stuff even real? some people said it was mistranslated. The same misconception about Anno saying anime won't survive in the next 2 decade or something. |
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ToastofJustice said: Who gives a shit about what other people think? Lain is one of my favorite anime, but I don't care that it's creator has "sub par" tastes. I don't have anything against SNK, anyway. I also love NGE, but Anno is an asshole, so what are ya gonna do. The one thing I don't get is your deal with elitists, Keragamming. What, did elitists kill your family? ?? What you are saying is basically what l was saying. To not give a shit. I'm sure you can think of plenty of reasons why I don't like most of them. And whatever reasons you think of, you're probably right. There is your answer. |
ToastofJustice said: tsudecimo said: Internet western anime community is pretty close minded and critical for the sake of being critical. But criticism = good. Much better than being complacent with all forms of media. No it's not lol. It depends on it's application and the motivation behind it. Being something just for the sake of it, is never good in any context. What I find funny is whether they accept it or not, be self hating or not. At least have the self awareness that the negative venting is extremely pointless. Because your voice is not heard because your voice is irrelevant. I'm all for criticism if it's constructive and with a purpose. But from my personal experience those who complain a lot, do it for the sake of being toxic. They just want their opinions validated no matter what. They need their worth to be elevated. A lot of insecurity and such. It may be just cultural differences. Self entitlement, self hating, being loud, etc, is stuff that I see beyond the western anime community, and in any western online community. I find it puzzling. |
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keragamming said: ToastofJustice said: Who gives a shit about what other people think? Lain is one of my favorite anime, but I don't care that it's creator has "sub par" tastes. I don't have anything against SNK, anyway. I also love NGE, but Anno is an asshole, so what are ya gonna do. The one thing I don't get is your deal with elitists, Keragamming. What, did elitists kill your family? ?? What you are saying is basically what l was saying. To not give a shit. I'm sure you can think of plenty of reasons why I don't like most of them. And whatever reasons you think of, you're probably right. There is your answer. But you obviously care what the "Elite" think, or you wouldn't be making this topic. |
| I don't respect nor disrespect people based on what anime they like. That doesn't make any sense at all. Imaishi (who made what I consider the best anime) could even love Shigatsu and I wouldn't give a damn. Although I don't understand why are people so concerned about this Miyazaki dude and the bullshit he says in the first place. |
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tsudecimo said: Miyazaki does complain about moe show and how animator lack realism in his work because they are otaku that rarely observe proper movement in real world, but I dont know about his claim about anime fans being otaku and lolicon is legit or not.Is the Myazaki stuff even real? some people said it was mistranslated. The same misconception about Anno saying anime won't survive in the next 2 decade or something. Anno also said about anime won't survive another 2 decade BUT he didn't talking about the content but more about the system, he said the amount of anime comes out every season and the budgeting system will made anime industry burn out. |
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tsudecimo said: ToastofJustice said: But criticism = good. Much better than being complacent with all forms of media. No it's not lol. It depends on it's application and the motivation behind it. Being something just for the sake of it, is never good in any context. What I find funny is whether they accept it or not, be self hating or not. At least have the self awareness that the negative venting is extremely pointless. Because your voice is not heard because your voice is irrelevant. I'm all for criticism if it's constructive and with a purpose. But from my personal experience those who complain a lot, do it for the sake of being toxic. They just want their opinions validated no matter what. They need their worth to be elevated. A lot of insecurity and such. It may be just cultural differences. Self entitlement, self hating, being loud, etc, is stuff that I see beyond the western anime community, and in any western online community. I find it puzzling. Sorry, but your blanket statement, or at least my perceived notion, of criticism led me to believe you disliked criticism in general. Shoulda read better. Sorry, brah. |
BangToyib said: tsudecimo said: Miyazaki does complain about moe show and how animator lack realism in his work because they are otaku that rarely observe proper movement in real world, but I dont know about his claim about anime fans being otaku and lolicon is legit or not.Is the Myazaki stuff even real? some people said it was mistranslated. The same misconception about Anno saying anime won't survive in the next 2 decade or something. Anno also said about anime won't survive another 2 decade BUT he didn't talking about the content but more about the system, he said the amount of anime comes out every season and the budgeting system will made anime industry burn out. Oh okay, thx. Really wished that Myazaki stuff didn't get out of Japan. It became a meme and fuel for the hate :o |
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tsudecimo said: This reminds mr of your former obsessive hate of Marvel's MCU.At least have the self awareness that the negative venting is extremely pointless. Because your voice is not heard because your voice is irrelevant. I'm all for criticism if it's constructive and with a purpose. But from my personal experience those who complain a lot, do it for the sake of being toxic. They just want their opinions validated no matter what. They need their worth to be elevated. A lot of insecurity and such. |
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DrGeroCreation said: tsudecimo said: This reminds mr of your former obsessive hate of Marvel's MCU.At least have the self awareness that the negative venting is extremely pointless. Because your voice is not heard because your voice is irrelevant. I'm all for criticism if it's constructive and with a purpose. But from my personal experience those who complain a lot, do it for the sake of being toxic. They just want their opinions validated no matter what. They need their worth to be elevated. A lot of insecurity and such. wut Few posts about it in the music entertainment board and it's obsession? I liked Ultron and Ant man anyway. And I was not ''hating'' on it just for the sake of it. I was just watching a lot of youtube channels about them, but didn't have a place to discuss and share my thoughts. |
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ToastofJustice said: keragamming said: ?? What you are saying is basically what l was saying. To not give a shit. I'm sure you can think of plenty of reasons why I don't like most of them. And whatever reasons you think of, you're probably right. There is your answer. But you obviously care what the "Elite" think, or you wouldn't be making this topic. I think you've misunderstand what this topic was about. A lot of people don't like sao, not just elitist. I only included the snk part to give my post a little more meat. I made this topic, because people in the other topic was acting like its impossible for Miyazaki to like sao. I just found it to be odd. |
tsudecimo said: You couldn't shut up about your hate for the first Avengers movie and Thor and how the X men movies are the only good Marvel movies. You even bashed the MCU on your alt, that kind of screams obsession. Only recently that's why I said former, you actually were negative about them at first with the trailers before actually watching the movies (Antman and Age of Ultron). Your hate before is what I would definitely call an obsession. Posts like these were also hating just for the sake of hating. DrGeroCreation said: This reminds mr of your former obsessive hate of Marvel's MCU. wut Few posts about it in the music entertainment board and it's obsession? I liked Ultron and Ant man anyway. And I was not ''hating'' on it just for the sake of it. I was just watching a lot of youtube channels about them, but didn't have a place to discuss and share my thoughts. tsudecimo said: Noooo. Fuck. I hate marvel studios. They are gonna make spider man worse. tsudecimo said: Marvel studios movies are generally boring, average or terrible so I'm not excited. tsudecimo said: Looks like shit, well it's marvel so no surprise. Just milking the cow. tsudecimo said: Looks even more boring than first one. I will pass. |
DrGeroCreationDec 17, 2015 3:55 AM
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| Don't really get the example with ABe. He is mainly a character designer. Don't think he was involved much in the story for Lain and also Texhnolyze. I think only Haibane Renmei was where he did the story. People don't really treat him as some kind of genius anime writer/director like Miyazaki and mostly like him as a character designer. |
Foxfire said: Story & Art, and the art in NHKDon't really get the example with ABe. He is mainly a character designer. Don't think he was involved much in the story for Lain and also Texhnolyze. I think only Haibane Renmei was where he did the story. People don't really treat him as some kind of genius anime writer/director like Miyazaki and mostly like him as a character designer. |
| I don't really care. If Hiromu Arakawa (one of my favorites mangakas) says one day that she consider Makouka or Utsu Mutsume Sayuri masterpieces, I don't will stop love her works just because she thinks that those animes (who I didn't like at all) are good. And also, that Miyazaki joke has get too old. |
IllyricusDec 17, 2015 3:47 AM
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Foxfire said: Don't really get the example with ABe. He is mainly a character designer. Don't think he was involved much in the story for Lain and also Texhnolyze. I think only Haibane Renmei was where he did the story. People don't really treat him as some kind of genius anime writer/director like Miyazaki and mostly like him as a character designer. Did you even look first? He is the original creator of serial lain and renmai. Serial lain is one of the most acclaimed series when it comes to the elitist group. I thought it was a perfect example to use. Anyways that's not the point here. Also I only included the snk part, so I could have a legit example. Than a what if example. |
keragammingDec 17, 2015 3:15 AM
| Don't really think it's that hard to believe anyone that says successful anime are good anime. |
keragamming said: Did you even look first? He is the original creator of serial lain and renmai. Serial lain is one of the most acclaimed series when it comes to the elitist group. I thought it was a perfect example to use. Anyways that's not the point here. Also I only included the snk part, so I could have a legit eg. Than a what if situation. He did the character designs for both Lain and Renmei. He only did the story for Renmei. The story for Lain was handled by this guy http://myanimelist.net/people/6160/Konaka_Chiaki and this guy I think http://myanimelist.net/people/13223/Ueda_Yasayuki. You can even look at ABe's wikipedia page and he is not credited as a writer and only as a character designer for Lain.  |
FoxfireDec 17, 2015 3:51 AM
keragamming said: ToastofJustice said: But you obviously care what the "Elite" think, or you wouldn't be making this topic. I think you've misunderstand what this topic was about. A lot of people don't like sao, not just elitist. I only included the snk part to give my post a little more meat. I made this topic, because people in the other topic was acting like its impossible for Miyazaki to like sao. I just found it to be odd. Coudn't you've just replied in that thread then? |
| Wtf is this thread even about, like wtf. |
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Foxfire said: keragamming said: Did you even look first? He is the original creator of serial lain and renmai. Serial lain is one of the most acclaimed series when it comes to the elitist group. I thought it was a perfect example to use. Anyways that's not the point here. Also I only included the snk part, so I could have a legit eg. Than a what if situation. He did the character designs for both Lain and Renmei. He only did the story Renmei. The story for Lain was handled this guy http://myanimelist.net/people/6160/Konaka_Chiaki and this guy I think http://myanimelist.net/people/13223/Ueda_Yasayuki. You can even look at ABe's wikipedia page and he is not credited as a writer and only as a character designer for Lain. Looks like you fucked up, bud. ABE may of bean an original creator in the design process, but that doesn't mean he dealt with story themes or script. |
Milk_is_Special said: Wtf is this thread even about, like wtf. The guy is replying to another thread, but decided to make an entirely different thread for it. |
It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
| Well, you know it's like a mangaka who draw loli but like big breast woman |
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| Why is it so hard to not pay attention to such toxic behavior. ughhh it makes me sick |
| The thing is, you can disapprove a person's preferences yet you can still maintain respect for his achievements. |
| It's not really hard to believe anything. This is just a thing that happens with hardcore fans of any kind. Just take a look at hardcore soccer fans. Some of them won't hesitate to beat the shit out of another person if they admit to liking another/opposite team |
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