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Jul 25, 2015 10:34 AM
#1
So I'm obviously someone who follows the McJuggerNuggets saga shit extensively but I'm curious if people legitimately believe YouTube is a job. To me, I think it can be a job, since you are technically being paid, but it should not be the only job one person should have in my opinion. I believe YouTubers can also get another job if the resources are there for them, and this way they can make even more money and be even more well-off. What I don't like is how people may insist, YouTube is the only "job" they are obliged to have and it will give them nothing else to do but just that, when opportunities are there for them and they don't take advantage of it, and disrespect others who are trying to help them get that other job. Not to mention, you'd have to have a shit ton and I mean a complete shit ton of subscribers to financially succeed alone. I could argue that "as long as they're happy with whatever they're doing, why even bother?" but to me, it goes with maximizing efforts you can take advantage of when you can, so while I think YouTube can be a plausible job for someone, it should be coupled with something else in my opinion for even more money and perhaps a broader life than just YouTubing itself. |
AqutanJul 25, 2015 10:38 AM
Jul 25, 2015 10:35 AM
#2
Yep, based Pewds. |
Jul 25, 2015 10:38 AM
#3
It can be but when you treat it like a job it shows in your "entertainment". This just ruins the whole thing. Pewdiepie can treat it like a hobby cause he earns enough and puts effort into his videos. There's a youtuber who acts like this and gets trolled so bad because of it, it's pretty hilarious. He's like I can't continue this playthrough if you're not gonna watch it, unlike other fake youtubers I'm real lmao. |
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Jul 25, 2015 10:38 AM
#4
Nico, they can get another job, they just dont need to ... and ofc. considering that most YT-ers are dead beat slobs they wont get one. all they need to do is figure out how they can rally more subs and get more views. |
Jul 25, 2015 10:39 AM
#5
in the end, YouTubers are entertainers. I doubt the ones capable of sustaining themselves would even have time for another job. Sponsorships and stuff I think would help their income, but YouTubers in general seem to be busy. LetsPlayers have to upload a few videos a day. Educational YouTubers have to research and refine their material (CGP Grey spends hundreds of hours on this for ex.). etc. For average YouTubers who only make a bear minimum and have the luxury of free time though, I suppose its best if they find another side job, but that's entirely their decision. |
Jul 25, 2015 10:40 AM
#6
CharlRosso said: Yep, based Pewds. He's qualified. Just look at his subscriber count and if he's made more than a million alone on that, he's good to live and pay on his own. Others, if they're lacking that amount of total subscribers are better off getting other jobs. |
Jul 25, 2015 10:41 AM
#7
ZA_WAYD said: Don't forget about selling over priced merch with their logo :)Nico, they can get another job, they just dont need to ... and ofc. considering that most YT-ers are dead beat slobs they wont get one. all they need to do is figure out how they can rally more subs and get more views. |
Jul 25, 2015 10:42 AM
#8
The internet entertainment industry is and has been growing rapidly for the past decade, and so the job market in regards to producing media entertainment for people is pretty vast. I don't think people are inclined to tell talk-show hosts, mainstream journalists, newscasters, or sit-com producers/cast members that they should "pursue other fields" or "get other jobs," however they feel quite the authority to do so when the very same entertainment fields are being covered over the internet. There's this pervasive myth that internet success isn't a lucrative market to pursue, and it's necessary to tear that myth down. TheBasedNico said: CharlRosso said: Yep, based Pewds. He's qualified. Just look at his subscriber count and if he's made more than a million alone on that, he's good to live and pay on his own. Others, if they're lacking that amount of total subscribers are better off getting other jobs. He's made much more than just one million. CPM is pretty insane, plus sponsors, including merchandise, and then compounded with donations. |
It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
Jul 25, 2015 10:43 AM
#9
Masked_Mantis said: It can be but when you treat it like a job it shows in your "entertainment". This just ruins the whole thing. Pewdiepie can treat it like a hobby cause he earns enough and puts effort into his videos. There's a youtuber who acts like this and gets trolled so bad because of it, it's pretty hilarious. He's like I can't continue this playthrough if you're not gonna watch it, unlike other fake youtubers I'm real lmao. Mind telling me more about this YouTuber? I feel like I might know who it is. ZA_WAYD said: Nico, they can get another job, they just dont need to ... and ofc. considering that most YT-ers are dead beat slobs they wont get one. all they need to do is figure out how they can rally more subs and get more views. And lack of creativity and ability to attract subscribers is what inhibits it. Harukaze25 said: in the end, YouTubers are entertainers. I doubt the ones capable of sustaining themselves would even have time for another job. Sponsorships and stuff I think would help their income, but YouTubers in general seem to be busy. LetsPlayers have to upload a few videos a day. Educational YouTubers have to research and refine their material (CGP Grey spends hundreds of hours on this for ex.). etc. For average YouTubers who only make a bear minimum and have the luxury of free time though, I suppose its best if they find another side job, but that's entirely their decision. It all should come down to the amount of subscribers and if that will be enough to be financially sustainable to equally thrive with things such as the bills. |
Jul 25, 2015 10:46 AM
#10
YandereTheEmo said: The internet entertainment industry is and has been growing rapidly for the past decade, and so the job market in regards to producing media entertainment for people is pretty vast. I don't think people are inclined to tell talk-show hosts, mainstream journalists, newscasters, or sit-com producers/cast members that they should "pursue other fields" or "get other jobs," however they feel quite the authority to do so when the very same entertainment fields are being covered over the internet. There's this pervasive myth that internet success isn't a lucrative market to pursue, and it's necessary to tear that myth down. TheBasedNico said: CharlRosso said: Yep, based Pewds. He's qualified. Just look at his subscriber count and if he's made more than a million alone on that, he's good to live and pay on his own. Others, if they're lacking that amount of total subscribers are better off getting other jobs. He's made much more than just one million. CPM is pretty insane, plus sponsors, including merchandise, and then compounded with donations. That's what I mean, you'd have to be a name to be qualified to keep YouTube as your only job. The matter of fact is, many and I mean many YouTubers do not have big names right now. So they're better off getting a side job in addition. For the broader entertainment industry though, the salary is all that counts, and usually salaries are enough to suffice to that one role alone, luckily. |
Jul 25, 2015 10:49 AM
#11
TheBasedNico said: Mind telling me more about this YouTuber? I feel like I might know who it is. |
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Jul 25, 2015 10:53 AM
#12
No. |
Jul 25, 2015 10:54 AM
#13
Masked_Mantis said: TheBasedNico said: Mind telling me more about this YouTuber? I feel like I might know who it is. >Dark Souls Beta tendencies detected |
Jul 25, 2015 11:04 AM
#14
TheBasedNico said: Masked_Mantis said: TheBasedNico said: Mind telling me more about this YouTuber? I feel like I might know who it is. >Dark Souls Beta tendencies detected lol more like submissive masochist tendencies. though i have to admit , pewdiepie kind of set the bare low for other YT-ers and now they dont even try to be creative because they see pewd making money without breaking a sweat :"P |
Jul 25, 2015 11:05 AM
#15
sure |
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Jul 25, 2015 11:10 AM
#16
It's actually the number of views that will give the money (Or better, the number of monetized views), though the number of subscribers equals a bigger number of possible viewers after a video comes out, so I guess that's right too? .-. There's a Niche channel(That presented Hot wheels cars and courses) with 280K ish subs that had made enough money a month to live with only that (It was a number on the something thousand dollars, or pounds, I don't quite remember). But that's probably cause they had several videos on the million views, but only the few really interested on Hot Wheels subscribed. But yeah, I saw several instances of people going full-time on Youtube with 300-400K subscribers. |
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Jul 25, 2015 11:14 AM
#17
It takes effort and skill to entertain people in some way or another, so yes, I think it's definitely a job, especially if you get paid for it, While everyone can be a Youtuber, not everyone can be a successful Youtuber. Even if you have all the basics covered, if you can't 'click' with your audience, you will never make it big. |
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Jul 25, 2015 11:27 AM
#18
TheBasedNico said: That's what I mean, you'd have to be a name to be qualified to keep YouTube as your only job. The matter of fact is, many and I mean many YouTubers do not have big names right now. So they're better off getting a side job in addition. For the broader entertainment industry though, the salary is all that counts, and usually salaries are enough to suffice to that one role alone, luckily. It depends on the person's aspirations, and how much money they actually seek to earn. There are plenty of youtubers with merely 100-200k subscribers, netting maybe 20-40k views on an average vid, who can make a pretty substantial living off of it. Once again, CPM, donations, merch, etc... are all part of what makes it such a lucrative industry. Many people who aren't big names in youtube, but make consistent video-game content/stream often, make quite a bit more than the top-ranked youtubers. Knowing this, it's less about quality or popularization, and more about the frequency of targeting a certain group--much like how quite a bit of the anime industry works: you provide not for some vast community on occasion, but for a smaller net community that is guaranteed to support what you are producing. |
It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
Jul 25, 2015 11:31 AM
#19
AO968 said: It takes effort and skill to entertain people in some way or another, so yes, I think it's definitely a job, especially if you get paid for it, well i might disagree on the effort part and skill/talent is something god given so ... AO968 said: While everyone can be a Youtuber, not everyone can be a successful Youtuber. Even if you have all the basics covered, if you can't 'click' with your audience, you will never make it big. this is true, its so sad to see YT-ers becoming desperate and scraping the bottom of the barrel, going to extremes like degrading yourself maybe wear a pink sweat suit and make cheesy comedic videos and acting like a dumb mofo just for the sake of nailing subs. and sadly some of them reach a point where they have practically invested too much to back out later on. |
Jul 25, 2015 11:36 AM
#20
I find it a pathetic job, at least among 'creating professions' because the content is of such low quality. Money is important and all, but I wouldn't want my name stuck to some crap like PewDiePie's weird attempts at hardcore punk. I think any one who picks up a 'creating professions' could use another job. It's not jjust for the money but for the ideas. An author can't just be an author. He has to live life a little to have something to write about. |
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Jul 25, 2015 11:40 AM
#21
If you are big on YouTube and can make a living off of the money you make on it, then yes it can be considered a job, as long as you put a lot of time into it. However if you are not very big on YouTube, but popular enough to gain a fair amount of money, then possibly a job should be added on the side. This is just the way I see it. |
Jul 25, 2015 11:41 AM
#22
If you're paid to do a thing, it's a job |
Jul 25, 2015 11:41 AM
#23
CharlRosso said: Yep, based Pewds. danitheunicorn said: If you're paid to do a thing, it's a job DayP said: If you are big on YouTube and can make a living off of the money you make on it, then yes it can be considered a job, (PewDiePie for example.) However if you are not very big on YouTube but popular enough to gain a fair amount of money then possibly a job should be added on the side. This is just the way I see it. |
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Jul 25, 2015 11:51 AM
#24
It is a job, but not a profession. It doesn't mean that it is less valuable, though. It is task oriented so pretty sure people doing it are more than capable, but there are no standards nor formal binds or organizations like a profession. That is why I think they belongs to the informal sector. It is a job. |
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Jul 25, 2015 11:52 AM
#25
DayP said: If you are big on YouTube and can make a living off of the money you make on it, then yes it can be considered a job, as long as you put a lot of time into it. However if you are not very big on YouTube, but popular enough to gain a fair amount of money, then possibly a job should be added on the side. This is just the way I see it. That's basically my take on it. |
Jul 25, 2015 12:08 PM
#26
Anything that keeps you occupied all day can be a job. Whether people believe it classifies as a job or not is entirely subjective. |
Jul 25, 2015 2:47 PM
#27
danitheunicorn said: If you're paid to do a thing, it's a job |
Jul 25, 2015 5:27 PM
#28
First of all: _Generik_ said: danitheunicorn said: If you're paid to do a thing, it's a job Regardless of how much you get paid for it. If you need more money, it's up to you to get it. If that requires you to get another job, or work harder at your current one, so be it. I don't know where I stand on this. While it's awesome for someone to make a living off of something they love, I don't want every little kid saying "Mommy, I wanna be a youtuber!" growing up. |
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Jul 25, 2015 5:38 PM
#29
Yes. But like mowing your neighbours' lawns, it's not necessarily a job worth talking about if you're looking to impress, and you can work a more 'primary' job alongside it. Of course, it can lead to bigger things for some, or at least give you valuable experience. |
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Jul 25, 2015 5:42 PM
#30
Jul 25, 2015 5:42 PM
#31
It's the internet equivalent of early retirement money |
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Jul 25, 2015 6:00 PM
#32
TheBrainintheJar said: I find it a pathetic job, at least among 'creating professions' because the content is of such low quality. Money is important and all, but I wouldn't want my name stuck to some crap like PewDiePie's weird attempts at hardcore punk. I think any one who picks up a 'creating professions' could use another job. It's not jjust for the money but for the ideas. An author can't just be an author. He has to live life a little to have something to write about. What? Pewdiepie made 7 million dollars last year. And you call this a "pathetic job"? Content of quality is subjective to those watching it. And he's supplying content that 4 Billion views have brought him in 2014. More even this year. His content may not fit everyone, and I don't like it either, but you can't argue that he's doing something that is his passion and making more money then you or I may ever make. Are acting jobs a "profession"? Are sports a "profession"? What is the difference between a job and a profession? |
Jul 25, 2015 6:02 PM
#33
NoongaJuice said: I don't know where I stand on this. While it's awesome for someone to make a living off of something they love, I don't want every little kid saying "Mommy, I wanna be a youtuber!" growing up. Why? Isn't it the same as saying "I want to be an actor"? |
Jul 25, 2015 6:19 PM
#34
Anytime that you get an income legally and pay taxes off that income, that is a job, a real job. End of story. Welcome to capitalism. I dont lose any sleep over it. I just dont like it when some youtubers put their address so some fans can send them stuff. And every now and then, they get letters, which is great. But many times they get anime packages, expensive stuff, etc., and I dont like that. |
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Jul 25, 2015 6:43 PM
#35
ooo333 said: Welcome to capitalism. If your creativity are being paid, it's a job. |
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Jul 25, 2015 11:04 PM
#36
YouTubers get no vacation if they decide to make it a career so... |
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Jul 26, 2015 1:12 AM
#37
Can u be ITRd by that kind of job? |
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Jul 26, 2015 1:23 AM
#39
Jul 26, 2015 1:26 AM
#40
Jul 26, 2015 1:58 AM
#41
damastah said: Jsyk, YouTubers have a hard time actually earning their income if people keep skipping the ads lol. ad bloc yo :^) besides the content is barely ever worth it , so why should people care ?? i mean from what ive seen so far (not a big YT follower) its mostly "react to [insert dumb shit here] colabs (°Д°)" and the currently trending "coming out videos ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) " .... so seriously why should be people even be bothered to care (¬_¬) |
Jul 26, 2015 2:02 AM
#42
I would compare it to the job of a freelance journalist. So yes,I would call it a job and if they get wealthy this way,nice for them. All they are doing is satisfying the demand. |
Jul 26, 2015 2:15 AM
#43
Jul 26, 2015 2:53 AM
#44
ZA_WAYD said: damastah said: Jsyk, YouTubers have a hard time actually earning their income if people keep skipping the ads lol. ad bloc yo :^) besides the content is barely ever worth it , so why should people care ?? i mean from what ive seen so far (not a big YT follower) its mostly "react to [insert dumb shit here] colabs (°Д°)" and the currently trending "coming out videos ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) " .... so seriously why should be people even be bothered to care (¬_¬) It's people like you that make those who have YouTube as their sole outcome, starve to death lol. |
Jul 26, 2015 2:55 AM
#45
damastah said: ZA_WAYD said: damastah said: Jsyk, YouTubers have a hard time actually earning their income if people keep skipping the ads lol. ad bloc yo :^) besides the content is barely ever worth it , so why should people care ?? i mean from what ive seen so far (not a big YT follower) its mostly "react to [insert dumb shit here] colabs (°Д°)" and the currently trending "coming out videos ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) " .... so seriously why should be people even be bothered to care (¬_¬) It's people like you that make those who have YouTube as their sole outcome, starve to death lol. but im not subbed in any channel i swear ;-; i even flagged a few videos that were totally shit T^T im being proactive. |
Jul 26, 2015 2:58 AM
#46
ZA_WAYD said: damastah said: ZA_WAYD said: damastah said: Jsyk, YouTubers have a hard time actually earning their income if people keep skipping the ads lol. ad bloc yo :^) besides the content is barely ever worth it , so why should people care ?? i mean from what ive seen so far (not a big YT follower) its mostly "react to [insert dumb shit here] colabs (°Д°)" and the currently trending "coming out videos ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) " .... so seriously why should be people even be bothered to care (¬_¬) It's people like you that make those who have YouTube as their sole outcome, starve to death lol. but im not subbed in any channel i swear ;-; i even flagged a few videos that were totally shit T^T im being proactive. I meant: ZA_WAYD said: ad bloc yo :^) besides the content is barely ever worth it , so why should people care ?? ZA_WAYD, killing dem YT income since 2015. |
Jul 26, 2015 3:05 AM
#47
Oxalias said: That's like asking if editing your MAL blogs is a job. Of course its not, at the most its a payed hobby. That's an awful analogy. A job is regular work, physical or mental, that allows you to earn money for that said work. There are people who write review blogs on movies, and that is there job. Not to mention, nearly every job you can think of started as a hobby. Computer Programmer? Started as a hobby back in computer invention. Car manufacturers? Started as a hobby inventing the automobile. Acting? Started as a hobby in ancient human times. None of these things you consider as a "job" started out that way. They all came from a hobby someone did, then turned over into a job when people would pay for it. Bloodshade said: No, its a hobby. That very few people get lucky with. But... those who do get "lucky" have a job making videos and entertaining, correct? So it can be a job, yeah? I don't understand why we have to make it one or the other. Some people play hockey as a hobby, but it can still be a job for some if they happen to have the opportunity to, for example. Why is something like that not applicable to video creations like Youtube? |
Jul 26, 2015 3:07 AM
#48
1unarsage said: damastah said: Jsyk, YouTubers have a hard time actually earning their income if people keep skipping the ads lol. What are ads?| (5u811m1n41. 3v3ry8o|)y D1 4d81oc|c 91u5) Advertisements. Those vids that play before you can watch, usually you can skip with a skip button on the right part of the video. |
Jul 26, 2015 5:59 AM
#49
cause said: TheBrainintheJar said: I find it a pathetic job, at least among 'creating professions' because the content is of such low quality. Money is important and all, but I wouldn't want my name stuck to some crap like PewDiePie's weird attempts at hardcore punk. I think any one who picks up a 'creating professions' could use another job. It's not jjust for the money but for the ideas. An author can't just be an author. He has to live life a little to have something to write about. What? Pewdiepie made 7 million dollars last year. And you call this a "pathetic job"? Content of quality is subjective to those watching it. And he's supplying content that 4 Billion views have brought him in 2014. More even this year. His content may not fit everyone, and I don't like it either, but you can't argue that he's doing something that is his passion and making more money then you or I may ever make. Are acting jobs a "profession"? Are sports a "profession"? What is the difference between a job and a profession? Popularity isn't quality and money is not an achievement, in and of itself. Money is a tool. I'm more impressed with people who are doing interesting things with their money than simply gettin' paper. PewDiePie did have some worthwhile charity moments, or so I heard, and I'm glad he's using his mone for a good cause. It doesn't make his content any less pathetic. It's just a person vomiting a stream of bad jokes, parodying Mike Patton's scream while playing a video game. I can't see any value in it, or how it contributes to society beyond just killing time. |
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Jul 26, 2015 6:04 AM
#50
TheBrainintheJar said: cause said: TheBrainintheJar said: I find it a pathetic job, at least among 'creating professions' because the content is of such low quality. Money is important and all, but I wouldn't want my name stuck to some crap like PewDiePie's weird attempts at hardcore punk. I think any one who picks up a 'creating professions' could use another job. It's not jjust for the money but for the ideas. An author can't just be an author. He has to live life a little to have something to write about. What? Pewdiepie made 7 million dollars last year. And you call this a "pathetic job"? Content of quality is subjective to those watching it. And he's supplying content that 4 Billion views have brought him in 2014. More even this year. His content may not fit everyone, and I don't like it either, but you can't argue that he's doing something that is his passion and making more money then you or I may ever make. Are acting jobs a "profession"? Are sports a "profession"? What is the difference between a job and a profession? Popularity isn't quality and money is not an achievement, in and of itself. Money is a tool. I'm more impressed with people who are doing interesting things with their money than simply gettin' paper. PewDiePie did have some worthwhile charity moments, or so I heard, and I'm glad he's using his mone for a good cause. It doesn't make his content any less pathetic. It's just a person vomiting a stream of bad jokes, parodying Mike Patton's scream while playing a video game. I can't see any value in it, or how it contributes to society beyond just killing time. You seem angry that he is making that bread while you aren't. |
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