The Irregular at Magic High School (light novel)
| Honestly I do, for now. He is way too perfect with the detailed explanations about magics. Like how he knows all these things by just looking? Other characters didn't get the spotlight too (except Miyuki) so I feel sorry for them. And the girls are clinging on him too. Lucky bastard... Now you see, it’s obvious that he tries to be perfect among all other characters. Whoever made a mistake about magics, of course he comes to the rescue, corrects them and save the day. This is somehow an issue to me. Let’s say someone saw your mistakes & then he or she suddenly corrects you. I know it isn’t a bad thing to do but what happen if he/she talks too much about it in the most annoying way as possible? I got the picture that Tatsuya is looking down to others in some certain ways. Still, this anime isn't over yet, but I really wish the other characters will get the attention too. |
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| Personality? What personality? He doesn't have one. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
fshah said: Honestly I do, for now. He is way too perfect with the detailed explanations about magics. Like how he knows all these things by just looking? Other characters didn't get the spotlight too (except Miyuki) so I feel sorry for them. And the girls are clinging on him too. Lucky bastard... Now you see, it’s obvious that he tries to be perfect among all other characters. Whoever made a mistake about magics, of course he comes to the rescue, corrects them and save the day. This is somehow an issue to me. Let’s say someone saw your mistakes & then he or she suddenly corrects you. I know it isn’t a bad thing to do but what happen if he/she talks too much about it in the most annoying way as possible? I got the picture that Tatsuya is looking down to others in some certain ways. Still, this anime isn't over yet, but I really wish the other characters will get the attention too. Explanations about how the magic works. lol This sucks in this show, IMO. Tatsuya is for me one of the greatest examples of forced popularity. It is soooo obvious that for a "mere Weed" being so perfect in everything is strange ... but it seems no one asks about it in this show. |
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fshah said: Honestly I do, for now. He is way too perfect with the detailed explanations about magics. Like how he knows all these things by just looking? Other characters didn't get the spotlight too (except Miyuki) so I feel sorry for them. And the girls are clinging on him too. Lucky bastard... Now you see, it’s obvious that he tries to be perfect among all other characters. Whoever made a mistake about magics, of course he comes to the rescue, corrects them and save the day. This is somehow an issue to me. Let’s say someone saw your mistakes & then he or she suddenly corrects you. I know it isn’t a bad thing to do but what happen if he/she talks too much about it in the most annoying way as possible? I got the picture that Tatsuya is looking down to others in some certain ways. Still, this anime isn't over yet, but I really wish the other characters will get the attention too. Tatsuya... isn't a perfectly written character. As much as I like the LNs and considering the fact that I'm mostly reading for his take on things, there is no way I can argue that he isn't the embodiment of whatever it is people claim to be the definition of a Gary Stu. Now people's main gripe with Gary Stu characters is that they make the story boring. That's their opinion and doesn't have to be a fact for everyone. There are lots of people who are able to derive enjoyment from the series despite knowing how OP Tatsuya is. You say he's too perfect with the detailed explanations of magic. You ask whether he's able to determine the nature of magic by just looking and the vaguest answer I can give you is... yes. Now unless you want to get spoiled, we can leave it like that. I do agree that the author goes overboard with making him hoard the spotlight but isn't that one of the characteristics of MCs? Most things in the story revolve around them because it's through their eyes that we're looking at the story. As the story goes on, we get to see some focus on other characters but it isn't like Tatsuya isn't the MC. I personally hate it when I'm promised one person is the MC and then someone else gets more screen-time. It's why I don't enjoy Kuroko no Basket as much as I would have if Kuroko actually got the bulk share of the focus. Your other point about how he always corrects people if he knows they're wrong is something the character himself struggles with sometimes. Tatsuya, in his monologues, lampshades the fact that he pokes his nose into other people's business when he doesn't have to. He actively has to remind himself sometimes not to ask questions or correct assumptions other people have made so I'm guessing the author saw this criticism coming. I do agree that it gets annoying. I'm assuming you got annoyed at the scene with the paramedics? As for Tatsuya looking down at people, it's certainly a valid observation but the Tatsuya in the novels is quite modest. Annoyingly modest sometimes. Since he's like that, if he rates someone highly, you can be sure the person deserves it. While it is my hope that any perceived flaws will be negligible enough for you to enjoy the series, it is completely understandable if it isn't. |
| I don't like him, I don't mine him knowing everything and being better than everyone,but he has no interest in none of the female characters even his sister. If he did at least flirt around with some of the female characters he would be way more likable, and also feel more human. He's just bland and boring. I'm Tatsuya's the advance android I was program to know everything and help anyone in their dire needs. Yawn..... Wait. I have a question is he even human? If he's not human then that could explain everything. |
keragammingJul 11, 2014 11:58 AM
millie10468 said: Tatsuya... isn't a perfectly written character. As much as I like the LNs and considering the fact that I'm mostly reading for his take on things, there is no way I can argue that he isn't the embodiment of whatever it is people claim to be the definition of a Gary Stu. Now people's main gripe with Gary Stu characters is that they make the story boring. That's their opinion and doesn't have to be a fact for everyone. There are lots of people who are able to derive enjoyment from the series despite knowing how OP Tatsuya is. So why do you think he isn't Gary Stu? Care to elaborate? Also Gary Stu doesn't mean OP character. Gary Stu mean poorly developed character. There are a lot overpowered anime characters, that aren't Mary Sue/Gary Stu. e.g. Alucard, Accelerator, Gilgamesh or Lucy. But they aren't overpowered in everything at once and they have real flaws and weaknesses. And no, Miyuki is not Tatsuya's weakness. She is one of most powerful magicians in series and also could be considered as Mary Sue, if there wasn't her brother. It's like saying, that USA is weak, because when something destroys its whole army, country would be defenceless. Lack of emotion isn't his flaw too, because it doesn't backfire on his social life. So maybe there is something, he is not good at? Body and physical combat? Nope, he is even better than his sensei. Social relationships? Nope, he has his own harem and some loyal friends. So maybe magic? |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
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jakkubus said: So why do you think he isn't Gary Stu? Care to elaborate? Is Tatsuya really a Gary Stu? I mean one can't really argue on part of him being too overpowered and too perfect in too many different areas. But I personally don't find him relateable enough to fullfill any role of wishfullfillment or self-insertion generally associated with the trope of a Mary/Gary Stu. Following his involvment in all these incidents doesn't really give much in terms of empowerment to the reader. |
AsturaetusJul 11, 2014 4:52 PM
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| Tatsuya is basically god. He can do no wrong. And he's super duper self-insert. |
an egomaniac and a fool |
Sapewloth said: Everyone.  |
| Potplant has a point. What to do when the light novel industry is oversaturated with beta characters? Make overpowered alphas! I bet everyone would hype it up because they're "sick and tired" of those beta characters regardless of quality. And it worked. Yay! Too bad the success of Mahouka may spark the newest LN craze involving superpowered characters stomping enemies left and right, just like how Oreimo caused the rise to fame of incest-themed series and titles that go from New York City to Los Angeles. You say he's too perfect with the detailed explanations of magic. You ask whether he's able to determine the nature of magic by just looking and the vaguest answer I can give you is... yes. Now unless you want to get spoiled, we can leave it like that. A decent author makes a character's flaws obvious from the beginning, even through subtle ways like catchphrases or the smallest things he say. If it takes several volumes to cover his character, then the author has some issues. |
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| Surprised no one has mentioned Kirito yet. |
| So... unsurprising. |
VanishingKira said: Surprised no one has mentioned Kirito yet. Kirito is way better about it than Tatsuya. |
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potplant said: What happens is it comes across extremely patronising - like how he kepts telling you Tatsuya is a weed, he thinks himself as a weed, he is flawed, yet every facet of his writing just screams otherwise. But how is that in itself a problem? It is kind of a theme of Mahouka that actual strength or combat prowess has little to do with such an arbitrary segregation. That one is stronger or weaker is nothing more than a preconception formed by those projecting their own ego or self-esteem issues on to it. At the end of the day it is nothing more than a system to distribute the generally sparse teachers and the history how it even came to be is equally laughable mundane. And if you think about it - for example - would you categorize A-chan who is a genuine bloom - as strong combatwise? On the other hand Erika and Leo who may be weak in terms of most magic but are so extremely specialized and with their personalities and backgrounds as weak? It is like a normal school all over. That one gets good grades - at the end of the day doesn't say all that much about the actual skill or understanding of the subject. Or even how one fares on things ouside the scope of school. That some will make big deal out of this and use it to degrade others is human nature. And that Tatsuya keeps 'telling you' he is a weed has more to do with him traversing within the boundaries of this system. He for himself doesn't really care about it - and he even told Miyuki and Sayaka how he has no intention of changing it, because it does not affect him or what he demands from a school to be supplied. But that does not mean he is unaware of the preconceptions formed by others. And sometimes it can be used as a welcome excuse for trying to avoid being dragged into things. |
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Asturaetus said: jakkubus said: So why do you think he isn't Gary Stu? Care to elaborate? Is Tatsuya really a Gary Stu? I mean one can't really argue on part of him being too overpowered and too perfect in too many different areas. But I personally don't find him relateable enough to fullfill any role of wishfullfillment or self-insertion generally associated with the trope of a Mary/Gary Stu. Following his involvment in all these incidents doesn't really give much in terms of empowerment to the reader. So can you mention character that fits Mary Sue/Gary Stu trope more than Tatsuya? I don't think so. Even original Mary Sue was less Mary Sue than Tatsuya. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
Sapewloth said: Everyone. Also, this: ReaperCreeper said: VanishingKira said: Surprised no one has mentioned Kirito yet. Kirito is way better about it than Tatsuya. |
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jakkubus said: So can you mention character that fits Mary Sue/Gary Stu trope more than Tatsuya? I don't think so. Even original Mary Sue was less Mary Sue than Tatsuya. If I can name others? No. But that has more got to do with me not even hearing about this trope before everyone and their pets was spouting it in connection with Mahouka. I confess - I had to google it and personally was astounded how undefined and broad that whole trope is, to be even used. I mean some deffintion even goes as far as "maincharacter you don't like". But as far as I can tell its negative connotation stems from the character being written for self-insertion and wish fulfillment. The only thing is - I can't really grasp how that works in terms of literature and films. It is not like in games. You don't have any kind of agency to express yourself so that you can delude yourself into thinking the character is you. I can relate to a character and even be sympathetic. But I generally don't feel empowered by the actions of a written character. So how does self-insertion work there? Can you please explain it to me? |
AsturaetusJul 12, 2014 2:47 AM
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| when i think of Tatsuya it reminds me of this.. no emotion whatsoever and has girls subtly flinging themselves at him but he ignores it. He must be a Gay Robot. |
CirrisJul 12, 2014 3:59 AM
| @potplant Don't really know how drawing an analogy counts as an evidence for self-insertion. I mean - you are probably old enough to having perceived more than enough other examples of people taking the most ridiculous and arbitrary criteria for seggregating themselves from others and boosting their own self-esteem while degrading all the others. All the while assuming that their own superiority even extends over fields that have nothing to do with what the initial criteria was applied for. That behavior is what I meant with - "it is school all over". Even though by far not limited to being perceived there. As for self-insertion: As far as I understand you it is all about perceiving similarities between ones own situation and the one in the fiction. And seeing someone - here: the main character - succeed in places where one self falls short? And not literally using the main character to project ones own character in the fictional environment? |
AsturaetusJul 12, 2014 4:38 AM
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| The topic of the inaccuracies of an educational system in determining a person's greatness should have been great by itself. However, it is not fully explored; we only get to see Tatsuya—one such "victim" of the educational system—rise above by showing that his skills can allow him to shine despite the fact that he's supposed to be nothing much. However, like in the Nine Schools Competition, everyone else seems to be struggling unless Tatsuya uses his engineering skills to give them a boost. The story has yet to put them in a situation where they can do a notable feat without Tatsuya's intervention, and this undermines the potential of the rest of the cast to improve in their skills, which should happen regardless of one's status as a Bloom or a Weed. People call a character a Stu when they don't like a competent main character, the hype attracts the haters too. Being OP and a genius don't make you a Stu, Accelerator and Rakan are geniuses and OP but they are not called Stu. Tatsuya has clear weaknesses that are apparent when reading the LN if you know how magic works. Those weaknesses should have been evident by now. Where are those supposed "weaknesses"? Don't tell me being bossed around is going to debilitate him in battle. |
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HomeAlone said: People call a character a Stu when they don't like a competent main character, the hype attracts the haters too. Being OP and a genius don't make you a Stu, Accelerator and Rakan are geniuses and OP but they are not called Stu. Tatsuya has clear weaknesses that are apparent when reading the LN if you know how magic works. Accelerator and Tatsuya may seem to be similiar, but there are some major diferences between them. That's true that both are protecting someone precious to them, but Last Order may be level 3 esper, although she is rather weak, defenceless and is not a challenge for normal, skilled combatant. And in Mahouka we have Miyuki, who is refined lady, supreme magician and with single spell she can stomp several magicians or soldiers. About being genius, sure Accel is very smart, but at least he is not mind-blowing inventor ahead of his time by two or three generations. Also Tatsuya is master of martial arts, when physical body is one of Accelerator weaknesses. Both of them are sure overpowered and thanks to Awakening, Albino could probably curbstomp Tatsuya, but in Toaru there are power nullifiers like Touma or even more powerful beings like Othinus, Fiamma and Aiwass, who could wipe the floor with Accel's face. On the other hand Tatsuya fights mostly with retarded cannon fodder. And Number One actually can be wrong (like with Level 6 Shift), but seeks for redemption for his sins, when Mr. T is always infallible. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
HomeAlone said: Tatsuya is bad at magic so there are a lot of things he can't do. But one has to give credit here that until now it hasn't really hindered him much in combat and otherwise. Sure he can't really do much in terms of altering his environment like a normal mage could, casting large scale or advanced magic like Miyuki and Co. is also a no go for him, or even benefitting from the diversity of normal magic. Until now he was not really in any situation where he couldn't circumvent the necessity of such abillities with his inherent skills and a little creativity. Good there were some enemies he struggled against - Hagane being the strongest example until now. And his lack in skill meant he couldn't really partake in the reactor experiment outside of the planning phase. But that aside even in the LN the only case where his short comings were really apparent was in the past where he couldn't prevent the death of |
AsturaetusJul 12, 2014 6:51 AM
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HomeAlone said: And Tatsuya's weaknesses are his low magic skills. Its not his fault if he fights mostly with cannon fodders, most of them are not even cannon fodder it's him who is too strong for them. He got a few worthy opponents. Elemental Sight, Decomposition and Regrowth are saying: "Hell no!" Aside from who can be called worthy enemy? What makes you say he is always right? In vol 8 Tatsuya lost a person dear to him and he still grieves for her death. Her death is the reason why he trained to be that strong. It's worth noting as well, Tatsuya is that strong because he trained a lot to be like that prior to the series, there are still traces left on his body visible in the ED. So will he made a mistake for once in the Novels? Is it even possible? And lot of shounen protagonists trained a lot, so that means nothing. Also he isn't that strong because of trening, but because of innate, supreme magical abilities. |
jakkubusJul 12, 2014 7:30 AM
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
Tatsuya is bad at magic so there are a lot of things he can't do. That's like saying Magina the Anti-Mage or Nortrom the Silencer are shit-tier heroes because they don't throw out spells on a whim like Lina the Slayer or the legendary Carl the Invoker. As for the comparison between Accelerator and Tatsuya, well both of them are treated like shit because they are considered inhuman and was only useful for their military capabilities. However, while Tatsuya had someone who was able to pull himself out of his "misery", Accelerator was so deep into the dark side that having a companion in Last Order who was able to understand him is only going to endanger her life. Fortunately, Touma inadvertently allowed Accelerator to live a better life. |
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HomeAlone said: People call a character a Stu when they don't like a competent main character, the hype attracts the haters too. Being OP and a genius don't make you a Stu, Accelerator and Rakan are geniuses and OP but they are not called Stu. Tatsuya has clear weaknesses that are apparent when reading the LN if you know how magic works. Are you seriously using that same argument again? Just because we don't like Tatsuya doesn't mean we oppose competent characters, but saying is Tatsuya competent is clearly not enough to label what kind of character he really is. How many times do people have to tell you that none of us are especially afraid of or dislike competent main characters. In fact, I welcome them with open arms considering the current state of the industry, but that's as far as my goodwill goes for any story. The rest (aka the execution of said competent MC) is all on the scriptwriter/author. HomeAlone said: And Tatsuya's weaknesses are his low magic skills. Its not his fault if he fights mostly with cannon fodders, most of them are not even cannon fodder it's him who is too strong for them. He got a few worthy opponents. You're right, it's not his fault; it's the author's for writing nothing but cannon fodder for him for a good 7 volumes. It still doesn't make it any better. Quoting another user: "It's pretty telling of this story's flaws that the narrative has to go to the lengths of to challenge our hero." HomeAlone said: What makes you say he is always right? In vol 8 Tatsuya lost a person dear to him and he still grieves for her death. Her death is the reason why he trained to be that strong. It's worth noting as well, Tatsuya is that strong because he trained a lot to be like that prior to the series, there are still traces left on his body visible in the ED. I never understood how this could possibly be considering that he no longer has strong emotions. How can he possibly grieve for someone when he's like that? It makes no sense to me other than chalking it up to forced drama on part of the author. The scars on Tatsuya's body can be the result of torture. I don't know for sure because they keep tiptoeing around the subject. And that crap with ? Drama-Preserving Handicap |
wrenchbreadJul 12, 2014 9:18 AM
HomeAlone said: Masaki is a worthy opponent but Monolith Code is not a live battle, you can't go all out. Tatsuya is not sure he would be the winner against him in a live battle. Wasn't Tatsuya the most limited one during the competition? So we have to wait for normal fight till Visitor Arc? Tatsuya is a stoic character, we learn about his personality mostly through his monologues, not when he is talking. In the anime, his monologues are practically inexistent. So will he be mistaken or not? |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
| So what can be defined as a Gary Stu?OP?Poorly written character? What I don't get is that some don't like the fact that Tatsuya is hogging the spotlight,he's the MC,so the story will revolve around him,not like Index,it was supposed to have 3 MC's in later volumes (Accelerator and Hamazura) but most of the time the stories revolves around Touma,turning back the 2 to supporting characters.As millie also gave an example with Kuruko no Basket,I feel the same,it's like Kagami is the MC and Kuruko is the supporting,which was supposed to be the other way around (hence title of the series). I won't say he is a poorly written character as someone posted,most of his personality is shown tru his internal monologues which are almost non-existent in the anime (can also be said for Miyuki),think Hachiman lacking his internal monologues in the Oregairu anime. I still think Akatsuki Ousawa (Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero) is the most OP/Gary Stu LN anime MC,he can't use magic (except manipulating chi) but he just stomps on everyone he fights,well because the author said so.Don't get me wrong I like Aesthetica,but from spoilers and images of later LN volumes,it looks like it's turning into a soft hentai series. edit: If your still looking for a worthy opponent for Tatsuya and Miyuki at this time,you might be missing the point,Mahouka can't be said to be a straight up battle action shonene series,I would categorized it as a slice of life series with some action and political conspiracies thrown in for fun (though author did write a more action oriented shonen type volumes (9-13),including slightly more worthy opponents (vampires,Lina,USNA Stars,Black sage?),so you have to wait for season 2 if your more into those. |
darkreaperixJul 12, 2014 10:38 AM
darkreaperix said: So what can be defined as a Gary Stu?OP?Poorly written character? What I don't get is that some don't like the fact that Tatsuya is hogging the spotlight,he's the MC,so the story will revolve around him,not like Index,it was supposed to have 3 MC's in later volumes (Accelerator and Hamazura) but most of the time the stories revolves around Touma,turning back the 2 to supporting characters.As millie also gave an example with Kuruko no Basket,I feel the same,it's like Kagami is the MC and Kuruko is the supporting,which was supposed to be the other way around (hence title of the series). I won't say he is a poorly written character as someone posted,most of his personality is shown tru his internal monologues which are almost non-existent in the anime (can also be said for Miyuki),think Hachiman lacking his internal monologues in the Oregairu anime. I still think Akatsuki Ousawa (Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero) is the most OP/Gary Stu LN anime MC,he can't use magic (except manipulating chi) but he just stomps on everyone he fights,well because the author said so.Don't get me wrong I like Aesthetica,but from spoilers and images of later LN volumes,it looks like it's turning into a soft hentai series. edit: If your still looking for a worthy opponent for Tatsuya and Miyuki at this time,you might be missing the point,Mahouka can't be said to be a straight up battle action shonene series,I would categorized it as a slice of life series with some action and political conspiracies thrown in for fun (though author did write a more action oriented shonen type volumes (9-13),including slightly more worthy opponents (vampires,Lina,USNA Stars,Black sage?),so you have to wait for season 2 if your more into those. Akatsuki Ousawa and Shiba Tatsuya are in the same league of character development. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
| I wish someone would do something to rattle that stoic expression of his. |
silke13 said: I wish someone would do something to rattle that stoic expression of his. Someone in his immediate group of "friends" needs to die. That event can serve as a tonal shift, a sort of Wham Episode. After that is seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes. |
| Nope. That's why I like this show. |
| Yes. A rock has more personality than him. |
| Missing the times of Rewrite, good times. |
HomeAlone said: I don't really see how the apparition of their apparition is bad writing, it makes perfect sense. And in general for story with a strong protagonist since the start, the obstacles become bigger as the story advances. makes perfect sense ...I'm not even going to bother. If you can't see how asinine and out of place interdimensional vampire demons are then I have a bridge to sell you. Their introduction comes out of nowhere. HomeAlone said: Right. But Lina was the one with the handicap. Which is what I meant. You display a great mastery of reading comprehension. |
wrenchbreadJul 12, 2014 1:46 PM
| -Aside from the discussion if he's indeed a gary stu or not-, I don't exactly mind it, I find it an interesting idea to be explored. This series isn't to be treated like a hero's journey -unless he takes on his aunt- it's more like slice of life with two gods among mortals. It's...uh...different from the usual. I think what the series needs is for the author to experiment more and tap into Tatsuya's OP-ness and lack of consideration for others, minus Miyuki, even more. Destroy everyone and everything who oppose him, build a kingdom for his imouto and go full wincest. Alas, the author seems to have inhibitions. |
| Slightly. I have always highly disliked characters that show little emotion and seem to exceed at everything they do, because I find them hard to relate to. It's highly unrealistic. They have no shortcomings, so it's hard to root for them because they don't have to fight very hard for anything and don't seen to care about much. Overall they don't appear to be very human or realistic to me so I find it hard to connect with them... Still, I really enjoy the story and the other characters so I don't exactly mind the fact that he's a gary stu. It gets annoying sometimes, but it's bearable. As for what WhipItGood said, I agree completely. That would be absolutely hilarious. |
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