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Jul 2, 2010 9:23 AM

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See what Im getting at?
I see you revived a thread that should've been left dead. ._. For once again, people are going all over the place over definitions.
Jul 2, 2010 9:43 AM

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Could someone define mental illness for me?
Jul 2, 2010 12:19 PM

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So apparently I am now trolling because two people have agreed that it's not a mental sickness, which in my opinion it is. If I am upsetting you are you are getting angry or frustrated at what I am saying that doesn't mean I am trolling, trolls tend to saying things to purposely upset you, since neither one of you seems to be in any way upset at this topic or what I am saying except to disagree with it, how does this calculate to me trolling you? If I am then don't respond. I know I won't be responding to any more of Drunk samurai posts again.

There is no point trying to argue with two people at the same time who obviously agree, but offer nothing in the way of it not being so.

neither one of you seems to be able to even grasp what I am saying. I'm not going to continue with this it's pointless.

I would actually like to continue the discussion with Higashi though. But you obviously striving for a retraction of my statement that it's a mental sickness, which is not going to happen. If it makes you sick it's a sickness, the fact it exists in the mind is moot. It is accepted though not by you, that rapists and sexual offenders are metal sick, the fantasy of these rapists and sexual offenders make me sick personally, and just because it makes me sick does not mean I am the only one either.

If you would like to talk a bit more about the psychic phenomenon I would be interested in doing that.

To answer the last question, Just the loli porn, the rape fantasy is the sickness not the fan service like like lucky star type anime or Hirugash, those were just really rubbish anime with loli character, Hirugashi was a little more violent and bloody but I didn't like either really, but millions do, just not me, and not because of the loli characters, but because they were just really dull imo.

Even though I can logically like you, say it's because of so much material being around that an artist can create these fictions. The main arguments for my psychic phenomenon are based purely on irrational logic. The very idea a person can somehow see into another persons mind is a scary prospect at best, worse still, having a flood of someone else's life and torments come to you in the form of pictures you make in to cartoons is just really stressing if nothing else, especially when you have no idea where these things come from. I suppose it's like a two way street, both people are walking down it one an artist and one a paedophile, as they pass the street there is an exchange of information, like giving the time, perhaps the artist asks the paedophile the time and he gives it to him, neither one is aware that the time is not just the only thing being exchanged. either way the point of some kind of psychic connection or frequency being involved is something that is been the stuff of discussion for years. Most research into brainwaves being linked to psychic connection has been debunked.


You are a troll. You're saying that anybody who likes lolicons has a mental sickness. Innocent thought "crimes" does not mean a person has a mental sickness. Since lolicon is not real it is not child porn. Pedophiles are not always child molesters.
Oct 15, 2010 4:55 AM
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i just think a lolli is somebody who can't grow any taller than 4''5 and has a really high voice and likes to complain


HAHAHA i like your version of what a loli is =]
to be honest my personal opinion of a loli is all about the looks. In the anime "To aru...something...index..." idk what the actual name was, but there was a woman who was 3f tall w/ pink hair, talked like a little kid, but she was a teacher about 20yrs+ and drank... a lot xD

Also to everyone out there, please dont bag on pedophiles like that. I thank you to those who are understanding that it is something that people are born with. Its a natural attraction such as a homosexual is attracted to a person of the same sex. I have a best friend who, growing up fear, like completely feared, becomming a pedophile because at the age of 13 he had crushes on girls age 10 and 11. Now that he turned 19, he still has attraction to girls from the ages of 11 to about 14 and there is nothing he can do about it =/

Also dont forget that just because someone is attracted to little girls, dosnt mean that they arnt attracted to older women to.

PS: Someone said in an earlier post, like around page 3 or something, that people who jack off to 2D lolitas will also find little girl "real" porn arousing and vise versa. I know that this is already like several pages ago but that really bothered me because I find myself stimulated by lolicon anime but I have rarely been stimulated by little girls. As for my best friend that i mentioned earlier, due to his natural attraction little girls do stimulate him, but when i showed him some lolita hentai he thought it was crap o.O
Oct 15, 2010 6:48 AM

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Woo for reviving a old thread but i guess making a new one would piss some of the mods off...


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Oct 15, 2010 1:43 PM

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My god that was a hell of a read that disposable angel dude only thinks in books. By his argument because people ACTUALLY can get shot in the head its really not okay to see or play things where you can do that. Basically if it can happen or does happen its wrong for anyone to depict anything similar.


I personally don't think lolicon wrong er well that actually depends on the thing itself but generally speaking no not really wrong at all. The situations are.......fantastical at best it is not the same thing at all. There are people that just like the flat-chested small kind of girl rather its not that shes younger its thats what they like. To some people women with big breasts are like what other people view liking kids like there is that aversion. Again its not like they like looking at little girls for real they just prefer things that way and one of the best ways to get the proper type is the animated lolicon which has just what the doctor ordered for them. In most other media of the sort breasts hold a huge emphasis and they don't like it so what do they turn to? That in no way makes them a child rapist.

Also some people like the way the story plays out its generally appealing to them if the same happened with any thing else of most any build they would respond the same way. That in no way makes them a child rapist. (eh well unless its one of those one scenes and it gets acted out in real life @_@ but such a slim chance is not going to happen)

Its generalizing that they only are interested in that one thing. Eh but sorry its so off the wall and in random places I don't do argument structure so well.

Its not the same thing no matter how people may want to portray it you can't close on one aspect of creativity without closing them all.

Lolicon has more then just one type of person watching it so it shouldn't be generalized that they are after it for the child-like aspect.

Pedophilia while it is wrong I bet half the cases don't even take everything into account because 8 years old is when girls can start maturing sexually and you NEVER know whats going on truly. Just using a blanket term that its wrong period and the one in the wrong is the older person is annoying and small minded. Granted they are wrong generally speaking its just unfair to blanket them all like that even if it is wrong since you don't know what went down or the situation. Its not always the purely wrong aspect that everyone thinks it is after all a kid can fall in love just the same. If she was constantly on him and he tried to stop it but she eventually took it does that mean he is in the wrong? I sure hope not. I ain't sayin its not a bad thing just don't use paintbrushes where you need a pencil.

Eh now that I have typed a bit and bounced through so many points imma stop now.
Oct 15, 2010 2:54 PM

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I personally don't think lolicon wrong er well that actually depends on the thing itself but generally speaking no not really wrong at all.

You can't say "I don't think lolicon is wrong" and then say " It depends on the thing itself" It's a bit contradicting and you can't just pick at it like that.

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That's like saying you can have your cake but you can't eat it.
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I don't see what's the problem in liking loli/shota or little girls/boys. As long as you don't go around turning the lives of the latter into misery and trauma, I guess it's alright.
Poor pedophiles and loli/shotacons. Their tastes aren't to be questioned nor treated like a mental illness, it's just a preference, or that's how I see it. Recently people stopped calling homossexuals sick, I wish they'd respect others more and stop blaming pedophiles for having a different 'sexual-orientation'.
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Oct 15, 2010 7:29 PM

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Gogetters said:
That's like saying you can have a cheeseburger but you can't have the burger in it.
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Oct 15, 2010 8:28 PM

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I'll be taking that cake from you :)
Oct 15, 2010 9:58 PM

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Gogetters said:
Zippyser said:

I personally don't think lolicon wrong er well that actually depends on the thing itself but generally speaking no not really wrong at all.

You can't say "I don't think lolicon is wrong" and then say " It depends on the thing itself" It's a bit contradicting and you can't just pick at it like that.

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That's like saying you can have your cake but you can't eat it.


No its not its different I mean some things are a bit to much even in lolicon but MOST of it is generally harmless. Its a slight change of mind and I won't go back and change a sentence because it interrupts the thought process.

(on pedophilia) I think its more a matter of people demonizing other people they have to have it somewhere and currently thats the demon of the time.........................don't think I still support it I don't think its particularity fair to the kid most of the time. It hits home because I have seen it happen but the kid in question was the aggressor and the other tried their hardest to resist but failed because well details aren't important.

Back to the uh point its not really wrong per say although it is porn so it can be considered immoral even though you totally didn't hear that from me xD. Don't worry I agree on this I am just puttin my two cents in.
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Zippyser said:
Gogetters said:
Zippyser said:

I personally don't think lolicon wrong er well that actually depends on the thing itself but generally speaking no not really wrong at all.

You can't say "I don't think lolicon is wrong" and then say " It depends on the thing itself" It's a bit contradicting and you can't just pick at it like that.

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That's like saying you can have your cake but you can't eat it.


No its not its different I mean some things are a bit to much even in lolicon but MOST of it is generally harmless. Its a slight change of mind and I won't go back and change a sentence because it interrupts the thought process.

(on pedophilia) I think its more a matter of people demonizing other people they have to have it somewhere and currently thats the demon of the time.........................don't think I still support it I don't think its particularity fair to the kid most of the time. It hits home because I have seen it happen but the kid in question was the aggressor and the other tried their hardest to resist but failed because well details aren't important.

Back to the uh point its not really wrong per say although it is porn so it can be considered immoral even though you totally didn't hear that from me xD. Don't worry I agree on this I am just puttin my two cents in.


How exactly can lolicon go too far? Also a kid won against an older person? I call BS on that.
Oct 17, 2010 5:50 AM

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lolicon = 2d, no one gets hurt. No one should be persecuted for their beliefs, only their actions.

pedo = 3d. Hurting a child is wrong, under any circumstances. No exceptions. And any kid who wants to fuck you is obviously mental and needs help.
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I always thought that...

Loli means a girl who look like a little girl despite being an adult or a teenage girl or just a person with a baby face or younger than they look. Ex. Komoe-Sensei, Shana & Aisaka Taiga

So being a lolicon/lolita complex means liking these girls and I don't see any problem with this since they only look young. (Aside from Komoe-Sensei having feelings for Touma)

While...

Being a pedophile means being sexually attracted to a girl or a boy that's too young for you.

Am I wrong?
Apr 16, 2012 4:53 PM

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Oh good another pedophile thread trying to downplay their desire pedophile desires.
Apr 16, 2012 5:01 PM

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Oh good another pedophile thread trying to downplay their desire pedophile desires.

This.
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