| Fist, I'm not an Yaoi fan, but I don't have problems with that either. Hm... Polemical.... Although it's right to try to protect your children, I don't think that's a right way to do it. For that to be effective you would have to ban minor sex (hetero or homo) from every media. Books, tv, manga, journals, etc, etc, etc. So, any book that has a single sex scenes with some teens would be banned. For example, the Twilight series (was the first exaple that came to my mind, and no, i don't like it) would be prohibited there. Besides, banning only yaoi is PREJUDICE. There's plenty of hentai out there with lolis too. Another point is that PRETENDING THERE ISN'T A PROBLEM DOESN'T SOLVE IT. And everybody knows that the great mass that reads yaoi are girls :3 Buuuuuuut... I agree that loli and shouta are kind of a sick thing (yeah, I love loveless and you can call me a hypocrite). We should't like these kind of things as the same way that we shouldn't like hentai or yaoi that have rape. It's a moral issue. |
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AfterGlow said: Finally, Japan get's with the damn program and understands that child pornography is bad. They have only actively been fighting the laws against child pornography for some 20-30 years, this is a step in the right direction. I'm utterly disgusted by some of the responses in this thread, coming from obvious pedophiles who don't see a problem with child pornography. You sicken me. Oh god why don't you got beat off into your bible already. your moral high horse is getting tired. if we are gonna get rid of imaginary child pornography, then we should get rid of depictions imaginary murder, rape, assault, drug use, treason, theft, concealed weapons, and insider trading. They are all criminal acts and they all carry just as serve or harsher sentences then child pornography. I love these moral retards who try to use children as a source of censorship and claim anyone who is counter point to them as "closet pedophiles" . According to your retarded logic if you have ever read manga depicting any kind of crime and enjoyed it it slightly, your just as guilty as I am. So AfterGlow lets take a look at the manga you like, OH HEY BERSERK! good manga, too bad it has depictions of graphic murder, so that must mean you an obvious murder/ closet murderer and have fantasies of murder? You know murder carries a harsher sentence then raping a child, even if I was "an Obvious Pedophile" you being an "Obvious Murder" makes you a bigger criminal then I am. Congrats you own logic has made you look like a complete moron. |
JigeroApr 4, 2010 10:25 PM
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| God damnit don't you dare turn into Ausfailia on us Japan! No thoughtpolice, no nanny state! ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH |
| Why does anyone think that BL is targeted? Just because of shota? Look at hentai with little girls being raped. That's also part of the issue as well. |
| Wasting precious time. |
Jigero said: damn boys love fangirls going around capturing Bishonen and making them preform various homosexual acts. It's a true menace to society. THINK OF THE BISHONEN! I doth loled profusely. |
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| Oh, now they'll just say Pico is actually 21. |
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BlackWings said: Why does anyone think that BL is targeted? Just because of shota? Look at hentai with little girls being raped. That's also part of the issue as well. probably there are some many hate for Bl or maybe all just sexism and care less about girl's feeling and body. I find that sad both little girls and boys should treat equal. |
KuroTsuki14Apr 5, 2010 6:01 AM
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| saw it coming long time ago |
musashi7 said: id rather people read this stuff then actually perform the acts themselves. this. but still, wtf? |
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ladyxzeus said: Oh, now they'll just say Pico is actually 21. This. I don't know other countries, but at least one manga publisher here has a laughable disclaimer in all of its volumes stating that all characters are above 18 - even when it's obviously wrong and the text or commentaries plainly state that the characters are children. Nothing's going to change, really. |
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| This is probably just a politic game. Japan's power is mostly centralized in Tokyo and the bill that was to ban loli mangas in the capital will probably fail. If Osaka's governor passes his own bill concerning BL then that'd be a strong message to the centralized power in Tokyo and it'd make him look good too. Anyway I'm a guy so I don't care about BL unless Hideyoshi is in it. But I support equality between men and women so just like guys should have their daily hot lolis, girls should get their shotas. |
| DAMN YOU'S!!!! DAMN YOU'S ALL TO HELL!!!!!!! |
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| You just KNOW the "Investigation" involves the reading of copious amounts of Yaoi. I think it's unfair that no distinction is made between shotacon and BL in general. Shotacon involves males usually 13 and younger, whereas most BL titles involve males aged 16-20. In a lot of countries, 16 is the legal age of consent. And let's face it, a LOT of teens are making use of that consent! So me being 18, legally an adult, would reading BL label me as a pedophile? Even considering that the people I'm reading about are within my dating age range? More importantly, what about the F*cking Loli's!?!?!? There's a ridiculous amount of Loli Hentai/Yuri, yet they go after the BL and make all BL fans look like criminals, lol. |
| This is ridiculous. What the fuck is going on, Japan? And why BL only? |
| finally, they make a move |
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| The more fiction is restricted, the more reality is invoked ~Karsten69 sad but true statement. also for the record the age of consent in Japan is 13 so anyone aged 13 and up in manga is not pedophilism. it's just western people thinking that. and another thing, why only BL?? oh well I'm sure nothing will happen |
| sometimes bl manga and other pornographic mangas go overboard. but i'd rather have people satisfy their sexual needs by only reading manga than have them do crimes like rape or watch actual people (most children) who are forced to do sex just for the heck of it. but what if reading such mangas drive them to do the actual things? well, as long as readers keep their sanity in check, i can tolerate. but i propose that pornographic mangas be kept away from children who aren't that mature yet to handle these mangas. |
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| I must have read the news post completely wrong. I thought they were allowing the manga, not banning it. Anyhoo... I too have given up a loooong time ago on Japan having any sort of morals. Also, le_petite said: Reading this kind of material only encourages more thoughts about sick acts... there is no positive outcome here. I give up on human kind =o=sometimes bl manga and other pornographic mangas go overboard. but i'd rather have people satisfy their sexual needs by only reading manga than have them do crimes like rape or watch actual people (most children) who are forced to do sex just for the heck of it. but what if reading such mangas drive them to do the actual things? well, as long as readers keep their sanity in check, i can tolerate |
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| This was the wrong topic to post on the wrong website, because should of been expected that majority of people would say negative things about yaoi, japan or start preaching about how bad shota/loli in manga is. Oh well, nothing expected too much from this post, i give up... excuse me while I go play "Left for Dead" because even though they might not be real people but just zombie, it still might give me the urge to brutally rip someone apart. According to this standard at least .... sakR9 said: Reading this kind of material only encourages more thoughts about sick acts... there is no positive outcome here. I give up on human kind =o= |
| The reason real child pornography is banned, and rightfully so, is that we as a society have deemed that a child can not properly consent to sexual acts when they are still a minor. We step in to protect them from themselves. With a drawing of a fictional character, there is no consent to be had. There is nobody to protect. Banning fictitious pornography of any kind is not only terribly hard to enforce and a waste of time, but isn't doing anything but censoring art. We don't ban the depiction of child murderers in literature. |
sakR9 said: Reading this kind of material only encourages more thoughts about sick acts... there is no positive outcome here. I give up on human kind =o= I don't think you realize what you just said. It has been proven that people who play violent video games don't go around committing crimes because in fact for the last 30 years crime rates have been going down, not up. This also applies to yaoi manga. And seriously, most people who enjoy yaoi manga with underage boys would be disgusted by the sight of it in real life. |
Tixy said: sakR9 said: I don't think you realize what you just said. It has been proven that people who play violent video games don't go around committing crimes because in fact for the last 30 years crime rates have been going down, not up. This also applies to yaoi manga. And seriously, most people who enjoy yaoi manga with underage boys would be disgusted by the sight of it in real life.Reading this kind of material only encourages more thoughts about sick acts... there is no positive outcome here. I give up on human kind =o= I'll have to agree with Tixy on this. I don't buy the justification of seeing it encourages the behavior of doing it. There are plenty of people who have interests which are deemed perfectly acceptable in society, such as religion, who still commit horrible crimes. I mean, how many Catholic priest jokes do I have to tell to make that apparent? The bottom line is, what they are trying to make illegal and ban are works of fiction, and I think it's stupid to put the needs of imaginary people over real people. It's better to spend the time, money, and effort for the real people who really need it. |
AtomicNerdApr 6, 2010 3:55 PM
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Tixy said: sakR9 said: Reading this kind of material only encourages more thoughts about sick acts... there is no positive outcome here. I give up on human kind =o= I don't think you realize what you just said. It has been proven that people who play violent video games don't go around committing crimes because in fact for the last 30 years crime rates have been going down, not up. This also applies to yaoi manga. And seriously, most people who enjoy yaoi manga with underage boys would be disgusted by the sight of it in real life. Yeah I agree, 2D > 3D. |
| Lol BL. I'm wondering if some of the supporters of the 'regulation'' here fully realize that not only is this only a consideration, but also only for Osaka. There is no international influence here, people; there's barely any national significance in this act as it is, even if Osaka pulls through with it. I'd also like to point out that even should there be no general restriction on this type of material it does not mean that a huge majority of people are reading it; it's each individual's tastes, preferences and opinions that decide that. The problem is that what they're doing is not truly achieving what they want; they're attempting to suppress a minority group of society by doing away with what they believe drives this minority, but in reality if there are people twisted enough to have anything sexual to do with real minors then you'd have quite a bit of trouble stopping them by regulating BL manga. If you're truly, truly concerned about the state of things, by all means go out and catch a pedophile, or otherwise do something for society. If it is simply a matter of personal opinion such as not liking BL (I'm in this group) then simply do not read it. There's no need to 'give up on human kind' from this tiny event in a small city. |
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| There must be a reason why they're doing it and i dont really care since im not gay |
midgemage said: Lol BL. I'm wondering if some of the supporters of the 'regulation'' here fully realize that not only is this only a consideration, but also only for Osaka. There is no international influence here, people; there's barely any national significance in this act as it is, even if Osaka pulls through with it. I'd also like to point out that even should there be no general restriction on this type of material it does not mean that a huge majority of people are reading it; it's each individual's tastes, preferences and opinions that decide that. The problem is that what they're doing is not truly achieving what they want; they're attempting to suppress a minority group of society by doing away with what they believe drives this minority, but in reality if there are people twisted enough to have anything sexual to do with real minors then you'd have quite a bit of trouble stopping them by regulating BL manga. If you're truly, truly concerned about the state of things, by all means go out and catch a pedophile, or otherwise do something for society. If it is simply a matter of personal opinion such as not liking BL (I'm in this group) then simply do not read it. There's no need to 'give up on human kind' from this tiny event in a small city. But your not seeing the bigger picture, this is how national bans get started. If it works once no matter how small it is, it can be used as reference for the next time. Look at how Pot got banned in America. A Couple counties banned it, then more counties jumped on the ban wagon, then the state outlawed it, then more states join in then finally it's banned nation wide. If Osaka is successful whats to stop any other prefecture from going "Well Osaka got it passed, lets ban it here too" and also whats to stop with from spreading to other genres. Censorship is like a cancer it starts out small then spreads until it infects everything. It's a constant fight and any amount of censorship no matter how minor has to be squashed or it will just snow ball. |
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