Do you assume that people know nothing about anime?

See, you don't even know the basics of storytelling. The story is from Nina's POV, so obviously if someone knows how storytelling works, then they could understand without explanation why we don't see what happens with Momoka and Diamond Dust. This is like elementary school-level literature.
As for Nina's backstory, that's not part of the journey, but yes, this is high school-level storytelling. The story in this case is aligned with the MC's journey. The journey literally starts when Nina arrives at Tokyo.

Just because something is relevant to the story, it does not mean that it's part of the journey that the MC takes. By that logic, we should have also seen Tomo and Rupa's backstory, because that also happened before Nina arrived at Tokyo and without that they wouldn't have been able to join their band.
I've never imagined that I have to explain the basics of storytelling...

Also, by this logic, every anime is in medias res, because there were events before the main story line that are relevant to the present. In Vinland Saga, Thorfinn's father, Thors' backstory is relevant. In Boku no Hero Academia the previous One for All users' backstory relevant. In FMAB the Elric brothers' father's backstory relevant etc.


No, just because you don't know anything about storytelling, I'm still right. It just means that you lack knowledge.


Most of them, yes.
In Frieren, it's 100% relevant her and her master's interaction and also relevant her and her parties' journey and yet we start after these events and we learn about those through flashbacks.
In Kusuriya no Hitorigoto, we don't know much about MaoMao's backstory, about her father, mother etc, we learn about these throughout the series.
In Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso, Arima's backstory with his mother is relevant, yet we learn it later on.

Should I keep going? The reason why many series do this is because the important events and the journey is not aligned. So while we are following a journey, for example Nina's adventure on Tokyo, we would still need other relevant information about the past that's not part of the journey, but part of the characters that went on this journey.


Lol, so you don't speak English.
If you write that it's about a song that inspires TWO BANDS, then it's indicating that it's about 2 bands that were inspired by a song. This is elementary school-level English btw.


Again, you proved my point. You are watching anime while you are on your mobile, so you are projecting this to others.
No, we learn as much about Diamond Dust as about Tomo's previous band and somehow you ignored one of the band while not the other. And btw this is also part of the issue with your review, you cherry picked certain bands as important, while ignored other bands as not important.


Then why did you admit it by not understanding that you don't know how storytelling works? Lol.


Nice quote. It's sad that it has nothing to do with that song, because it's not part of it. It's not even the message of that song. :DDD

The song literally states that there's no right answer or at least they don't know the right answer.
"There's no right answer, there's no losing. I've been me all my life" https://girls-band-cry.fandom.com/wiki/VOID
"What's the correct answer? There's no value, I will live my life" https://genius.com/Genius-english-translations-togenashi-togeari-void-english-translation-lyrics

So it's not only you failed to realize what the show is about, but you hallucinated a song that doesn't exist.


Yes, I can imagine that you can hallucinate stupid takes all day. :D

Obviously, I'm bad at my native language as well, because I'm dyslexic, but thanks for pointing this out.


Well, if you don't refute me, then yes, you just admitted that my point was correct. At least that's how arguments work.


Another great argument.
Do you need any proof? You couldn't make a single counter argument, while ignored half of my comment.


Yes, it's not like you were the one who "fanfic"'d that someone speedwathces anime...
By this logic, I must have hit a nerve with my original take.


That's actually the opposite, because there's no right answer. Even with quotation marks, that's something that they don't know about.
So you just admitted that you lied about a line, purposely misinterpreted it when someone pointed out how it's not the correct interpretation, then you lie that that's what you meant. xDDDD

The song's message is exactly the opposite of what you hallucinated. That song is about being lost.


So you quoted me 5 times and couldn't present a single argument. 4 times you tried to mock me - pathetically - and 1 time you tried to lie about your previous statement.

Again, do I really need to keep elaborating why you are shallow? You can't even defend your statements. You are just here to provoke others who point out your mistakes.

Frieren IS an in media res story.
It literally starts after the end of their journey, and the rest of the entire anime is flashbacks of what happened there.

Was that supposed to be a fucking gotcha?

If your elementary school was part of the "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND" program, then maybe.

I guess I hit a nerve and now you have to fanfic that I watch anime on my phone.

THAT'S THE POINT.
THAT'S LITERALLY THE POINT.

It's because there is no such thing as an objectively correct answer that you should follow what FEELS right for you (Hence why the two sides go for different paths), thank you for proving my point for me.
Should I have put quotation marks around "right answer"?

Why would I need to hallucinate a stupid take, when simply reading your comments gives me a lifetime supply.

I assume that people have heard of 1 or more of the following.

Ghibli
Dragon Ball Z
Sailor Moon
Pokemon

A stranger's biases are unknown to me, as they depend on which of these someone is most familiar with.

That wasn't my argument and your lack of understanding also proves my point.
My point was that most of the shows would fall into this category if we were using your definition. That's why I listed many shows and not one. I can name more btw: LotR, Star Wars etc. Your definition is so broad that almost everything is in medias res according to you.

Also, no, Frieren is not in medias res either as someone else also pointed this out. Again, in medias res does not mean that there were no important events before the journey that we are seeing started.


No, I wasn't, but again, proof of your lack of understanding.
Secondly, it doesn't matter. If I state that the sky is green because India is a country, you have to point out the error in my logic in an argument, otherwise from the argument POV that statement becomes true. So at this point, even if I stated that 2+2=5, you agreed with that statement because you didn't refute it.


So you admitted that you don't have a counter argument and I'm right.
Thanks, that was my point.


No, the linked video has different subtitles. It clearly states that there's no right path.

Oh, and also, that song is not about what others say or think about the "right answer". It's about your inner demon. This is another proof that your media literacy is not very good. Technically that 2 lines could be interpreted as you did, but the other parts of the song made it clear that it talks about a single person and that person's inner dilemmas and not about what other people think of that person.
This is why you always need to look at lyrics and poems as a whole. The whole text gives it a context.


I did. You ignored it and you even admitted that it irritated you that I was right. That's why you started talking about my nerves.

It does, because none of the shows or movies that I mentioned are in medias res. :D
This simply proves my point.

You obviously don't believe someone more educated than you, so let's ask chatGPT.
https://chatgpt.com/share/68eb4551-031c-8000-9d23-9465e796d34c
Even chatGPT knows what in medias res means. :DDD


Oh, so you had no argument from the beginning. Then I'm right, because in your original comment you quoted me 5 times and your reponses were the following:
- 1 time you tried to mock me, which is a fallacy.
- 4 times you misinterpreted something, the song, my argument or what in medias res means.

You presented exactly zero valid argument. Therefore, at this point in the argument, I'm the "winner".


This also shows your lack of media literacy. If a piece of art states that racism is bad, then it is not a valid interpretation that racism is good. The authors, creators leave hints behind in his art to lead the audience to their message and based on how concrete or abstract those hints are, there can be different amount of possible interpretations.
But these hints are also used to exclude certain interpretations.

In Kara no Hako, you literally interpreted in the opposite way. Because they don't have the right answer ("There is no right answer and no defeat."). There are multiple references how the they are lost ("Now I’m at a loss.") and even the last 2 lines are about being lost and hopeless:
"Even if I make things even more of a mess, there will be no tomorrow for me.
No matter how hard I fight, there will be no tomorrow for me."

Source: https://animeliryca.com/togenashi-togeari-sora-no-hako/

So it's pretty clear that you don't know how to interpret literature even on basic level.

It seems that dialogue in this subject is very hard, considering I pretty much never watched/read any of the examples you use, and you likely never did the examples I did:
I first discovered the term when I was searching for terms to describe a trope I found in stories I liked, such as Mahou Shoujo of the End and Gleipnir, where later in the road you find out that the story began at it's middle.
Are those two stories in medias res, yes or no?

Mocking isn't a fallacy.
Mocking in place of an argument is.
The issue is that you have to use an argument to respond an argument, and a non-argument to respond to a non argument, and all your posts following my initial response were only attempts of childish insults. What else do you want to respond back, if not mockery?

...that specific phrasing was baiting me into making the "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special Olympics" joke, right?
I don't think you can make that one on MAL.
You know, I would expect someone "more educated" than me to know this concept here:
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/The_Death_of_the_Author

Then how can you claim that I'm wrong? You were 100% sure that my statement is wrong, while you admittedly haven't seen some of the most notable shows and movies.
Even if I'm wrong, then you wouldn't be able to refute my statement because you lack information about well-known shows.

And if we are already here, I would also describe people who "cannot be wrong" as shallow, like how you cannot imagine that you are wrong even if you don't know many well-known pieces.


I haven't seen the former one, so I don't know that, but I have seen Gleipnir and no, it's not in medias res. It won't work always but if you can't tell in like 5 seconds that it's not the start of the series, then it's unlikely that it's in medias res. In Gleipnir the story that we were following was how Shuuichi uses his power and the series starts from that point exactly.
(So, when it takes like 3-5-7 episodes to notice that there were important events before the main storyline, then it's not an in medias res show.)

There's no word for what you described, because you described everything. You likely cannot identify what the main focus is in a story and that's why you think if something happened before - chronologically - then you assume it's part of the main story, which is an incorrect interpretation.
Then again, if you cannot identify the main focus of a story, then your reviews will not be good.


Yes, this is technically more accurate, but you failed to present a single argument, so in your case, it was a fallacy.


Hmm, see, this is the issue. You didn't present a single argument, here you even admit that because you didn't present a single argument I'm allowed to answer you with "non-arguments" and when I did you claim that I didn't argue. This is the issue and another proof a shallow interpretation of what happened.

Also, at least try to state things that are true. Tell me, how did I insult you when I listed shows, movies that are not in medias res pieces? I didn't and yet, right now you said that I only tried to insult you. So, why are lying?


No, that's a factual statement.
If you fail to counter the other person's statement in an argument, then you implicitly admit that you lost.
Yes, even if the other person stated that 2+2=5 because in that argument it's your "job" to refute a his statements if you disagree with them.


No, it's called high school. The Iliad and the Odyssey are famously known in medias res pieces that are taught in most high schools.


Again, another proof of how you tend to misinterpret - well, at this point - almost everything.

The article talks about the "one and only ultimate meaning", while I wasn't talking about this. It's pretty ironic that in your original respond you claimed how I don't know English and you failed to interpret what I said. I was talking about possible interpretations and impossible interpretations which is a far different concept than a single, definitive interpretation.
You can have multiple interpretations but not everything.

Let me give you an example. Would you accept an interpretation like "Gleipnir's main message is about how racism is good and everyone should be racist because the story is a metaphor for murdering black peopel"?
Normally no, this is not a possible interpretation because there's no "hints" that would lead to this conclusion. This is what it means to have impossible interpretations. In case of that song, you "picked" an impossible interpretation because the message is the opposite.

All in all, no, I'm still more educated because you even failed to understand that I wasn't talking about the "ultimate meaning" of a text. And this is another reason why your interpretations are so shallow.

Firstly, that would still make you wrong in the remaining 20%.
Secondly, that does not apply to our case, because you didn't understand 80% and you were wrong in the remaining 20%.


Yes, but you won't be able to, because like I mentioned, most of your comment is misinterpretation.
You misinterpreted what I wrote, the song and concept of in medias res.


Another fallacy, your statement was that "ALL my posts following my initial response", so not some, you used the word "ALL".
Do you not speak English? This is like the 3rd time when you failed to understand basic sentences and in this case it was your own sentence, not even mine.

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Lol, you really don't speak English, damn...
It is stated on your link that to actually commit gish gallop, I would have had to present "excessive number of arguments", while you stated earlier that I failed to present arguments. Therefore, no, it is not gish gallop.

Please at least use chatGPT to explain and translate these concepts for you, because this is not the first time when you referred to something that was completely irrelevant.


Dude, use chatGPT if you don't speak English.

This is was our conversation regarding this:
Me: There ARE valid interpretationS and there are invalid interpretations.
You: *Link an article that talks about how ONE DEFINITIVE interpretation doesn't exist*
Me: I point out how I never claimed that there is only one possible interpretation.
You: *Confused pikachu face because you failed to understand my points, twice in a row*

ASK CHATGPT TO TRANSLATE because it clearly doesn't work for you.


Also, it's worth mentioning how you ignored most of my comment while I gave you detailed explanation on multiple topic, including in medias res. Again, you didn't address these, so implicitly admitted that I'm right. You really don't know what in medias res is and you are wrong.