How would you explain "Romance for a male audience" to a western (Mostly American) audience?

@JaniSIr Nah, the whole point is that the author got to insert his fetishes into the show


Yes i know

@JaniSIr Nah, the whole point is that the author got to insert his fetishes into the show


Yes i know

@giantpudding Oh come on, it's a pretty mild show all things considered.

@JaniSIr Compared to what, historically accurate shows? Do they have the author shoving this shit nonstop



down everyone's throat?

@JaniSIr Compared to what, historically accurate shows? Do they have the author shoving this shit nonstop



down everyone's throat?

Huh? So Caligula is not historically accurate because it contains porn?

@TransferUser If you told a historian that you believed dominatrix witches and string lingerie wearing succubi roamed the land in the late middle ages, they would tell you to seek mental help.

Hope that helps.

@giantpudding
Cringe and bluepilled.
"Ehrm, OP, that's not what THE SCIENCE said that happened, Professor Soyberg won't be pleased with your comments, you should stop with this and go back to the pod eat slop".

@giantpudding
Huh? Why would people have sex if they didn't love one another?

@TransferUser If you told a historian that you believed dominatrix witches and string lingerie wearing succubi roamed the land in the late middle ages, they would tell you to seek mental help.

Hope that helps.

You're saying this as if you never heard of witch burnings. Or what, do you think those weren't dominatrix and lingerie wearing women? Preposterous. Why else would they be burned?

@giantpudding I really just think you don't know what the point of the "alternate history" subgenre is. lol

You're saying this as if you never heard of witch burnings. Or what, do you think those weren't dominatrix and lingerie wearing women? Preposterous. Why else would they be burned?

Sexy Satan is not exactly a modern concept, that was in Paradise Lost too.
Although I suppose the 100 years war was like 200 years before that.

Traditional is a flexible word.

As far as my understanding goes, originally horns were associated with with pagan creatures of the good alignment. For example Pan.
Christianity then demonified those pagan beliefs and adopted the horns for their demons.

It's a fairly adaptable religion.


Wasn't that also a kind of revisionism? I seem to recall that originally they were very sexy.
Not sure about the exact origin, but Lilith might have been among the first batch and I don't recall her ever being portrayed as unattractive.

Come to think of it, did that period even have any art that was good looking? As far as I recall all people in art during that time look fugly as well.

@TransferUser If you don't like the art of medieval illuminated manuscripts we can't be friends lol.

@TransferUser I assume this is sarcastic. Regardless, usually because they were old spinsters, that no one liked. Also witch burnings weren't actually common until the Early Modern period. Witches were more older unlikeable women which is where we get the traditional image; however, anime ain't going to give you MCs that don't conform to beauty norms, nor does Japan really have the best understanding of medieval Europe.

Well if you are going off how medieval people saw succubus/incubuses, they weren't depicted attractive at all. I mean they are demons dude, less sexy and more creatures from hell. Granted of course Lucifer is supposed to be an Angel of Light however, the traditional depiction of demons is the typical horns and grotesque faces thing, especially in the High/Late Middle Ages. They might disguise themselves, however, they should be abhorrent deep down. That would be an interesting concept though.....I doubt you will see it in Japan isekai fantasy land.

......I mean yeah it is lol. You can do whatever you want with alternate history in theory. Historical erotica is pretty popular.

@BilboBaggins365 Sure, you can distort a genre to do whatever you want in theory. I've even seen people distort reality and claim the show is historically accurate.

@giantpudding Alt history by definition is just "what if" history. It literally doesn't need to be rational or believable, nor......historically accurate. Wolfenstein is alt history, and it's more weird occult shit and science fiction, than any realistic vision of how Germany could have won WW2. Literally impossible, they would have needed Sci Fi shit to win that war.

If that can qualify sure you can have your weird latex witch in the Hundred Years War lol (might even be more believable than Germany having a chance to win WW2, though alt history writers love that topic). When an artist is crafting historical fiction, I am very stringent on historical accuracy, when they are doing alt history, I don't care at all, nor should anyone.

You can be more grounded in thinking about how small divergences, could shape our history in a realistic way, however, that isn't the only correct form of alternate history. The point of alternate history, if anything, is just to give you a tool box, to do whatever you want in the past.

Okay...sure not everyone was waifu bait lol. Still The Garden of Earthly Delights (I guess this is between Late Medieval and Early Modern whatever) is probably one of my favorite art pieces of all time. And I just like all the cute animals killing people in the manuscripts.

@BilboBaggins365 That's a lot of words for alt history is whatever I want. You should watch some actual alt history instead of distorting the genre to fit your porn fantasies into it

Hey now no need to slam your dick on the discussion table. I'm not the one who argued that a porn show is alternate history because Wolfenstein has sci-fi elements.

@giantpudding I mean you are making assumptions about me dude lol. An alt history porn show, and Wolfenstein are in fact on the same level of historical "accuracy". You need to stop taking the genre so seriously. Alt history, if anything, is a vector to not take history seriously, while also not being attacked for historical inaccuracy. Which hey...I will do that to shows trying to be "historical".

@BilboBaggins365 Alt history is often seen as a subgenre of science fiction. I'm sorry you people can't accept that medieval-themed porn isn't considered 'historically accurate' or 'alternate history'. But that's an issue you have to deal with yourselves, it's not our responsibility to play into your delusions.

@giantpudding You absolutely are wrong though, that "historically themed porn show" is the most accurate depiction of history in anime.

@JaniSIr It's hard to read this as anything other than an indictment of anime

@giantpudding Hollywood does the same things too, so it's more of a general issue with pop culture...

@JaniSIr Is 'the most accurate depiction of history' in american film a porno too? No way.....

@giantpudding That's not what I was implying, but probably yes.

@giantpudding You absolutely are wrong though, that "historically themed porn show" is the most accurate depiction of history in anime.

Title? (too lazy to backtrack this convo)

@Zarutaku Junketsu no Maria
Good show, recommended, but despite the presentation by @giantpudding it's pretty mild by ecchi standards.

@JaniSIr It doesn't even have the ecchi tag... the character designs look awesome though.

@BilboBaggins365 Alt history is often seen as a subgenre of science fiction. I'm sorry you people can't accept that medieval-themed porn isn't considered 'historically accurate' or 'alternate history'. But that's an issue you have to deal with yourselves, it's not our responsibility to play into your delusions.