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@giantpudding Oh come on, it's a pretty mild show all things considered.
@JaniSIr Compared to what, historically accurate shows? Do they have the author shoving this shit nonstop down everyone's throat? |
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@JaniSIr Compared to what, historically accurate shows? Do they have the author shoving this shit nonstop
down everyone's throat?
down everyone's throat?
| @giantpudding What exactly is wrong with a succubus looking like that? |
| Interesting, I've kind of thought about this in a way. I wasn't big into anime in high school, but I feel like if I had been and was seen reading a manga with some girly looking cover I would have been called gay and gotten beat up. But maybe you just need to open it up to the fan service part and say, "what you don't like this?" |
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@JaniSIr Compared to what, historically accurate shows? Do they have the author shoving this shit nonstop
down everyone's throat?
down everyone's throat?
@giantpudding For reference, the competition of Junketsu no Maria is this: Time travel into a harem of gender swapped Japanese warlord. |
giantpudding said: Yes yes, you can basically throw the whole historically accurate argument out the window when you add the fetish porn in Huh? So Caligula is not historically accurate because it contains porn? |
BilboBaggins365 said: Well if you are going off how medieval people saw succubus/incubuses, they weren't depicted attractive at all. I mean they are demons dude, less sexy and more creatures from hell. Granted of course Lucifer is supposed to be an Angel of Light however, the traditional depiction of demons is the typical horns and grotesque faces thing, especially in the High/Late Middle Ages. They might disguise themselves, however, they should be abhorrent deep down. That would be an interesting concept though.....I doubt you will see it in Japan isekai fantasy land. Sexy Satan is not exactly a modern concept, that was in Paradise Lost too. Although I suppose the 100 years war was like 200 years before that. |
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BilboBaggins365 said:
Well if you are going off how medieval people saw succubus/incubuses, they weren't depicted attractive at all. I mean they are demons dude, less sexy and more creatures from hell. Granted of course Lucifer is supposed to be an Angel of Light however, the traditional depiction of demons is the typical horns and grotesque faces thing, especially in the High/Late Middle Ages. They might disguise themselves, however, they should be abhorrent deep down. That would be an interesting concept though.....I doubt you will see it in Japan isekai fantasy land.
Well if you are going off how medieval people saw succubus/incubuses, they weren't depicted attractive at all. I mean they are demons dude, less sexy and more creatures from hell. Granted of course Lucifer is supposed to be an Angel of Light however, the traditional depiction of demons is the typical horns and grotesque faces thing, especially in the High/Late Middle Ages. They might disguise themselves, however, they should be abhorrent deep down. That would be an interesting concept though.....I doubt you will see it in Japan isekai fantasy land.
Sexy Satan is not exactly a modern concept, that was in Paradise Lost too.
Although I suppose the 100 years war was like 200 years before that.
| @JaniSIr Well my point is Sexy Satan is literally in the bible lol. You don't have to go to Paradise Lost. That said, how people depicted these creatures in the medieval period tended to not be flattering. |
BilboBaggins365 said: Traditional is a flexible word.traditional depiction of demons is the typical horns As far as my understanding goes, originally horns were associated with with pagan creatures of the good alignment. For example Pan. Christianity then demonified those pagan beliefs and adopted the horns for their demons. It's a fairly adaptable religion. BilboBaggins365 said: Wasn't that also a kind of revisionism? I seem to recall that originally they were very sexy. succubus/incubuses, they weren't depicted attractive at all Not sure about the exact origin, but Lilith might have been among the first batch and I don't recall her ever being portrayed as unattractive. |
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BilboBaggins365 said:
traditional depiction of demons is the typical horns
Traditional is a flexible word.traditional depiction of demons is the typical horns
As far as my understanding goes, originally horns were associated with with pagan creatures of the good alignment. For example Pan.
Christianity then demonified those pagan beliefs and adopted the horns for their demons.
It's a fairly adaptable religion.
BilboBaggins365 said:
succubus/incubuses, they weren't depicted attractive at all
Wasn't that also a kind of revisionism? I seem to recall that originally they were very sexy. succubus/incubuses, they weren't depicted attractive at all
Not sure about the exact origin, but Lilith might have been among the first batch and I don't recall her ever being portrayed as unattractive.
TransferUser said: Yeah we are talking about Christianity.As far as my understanding goes, originally horns were associated with with pagan creatures of the good alignment. For example Pan. Christianity then demonified those pagan beliefs and adopted the horns for their demons. TransferUser said: I am talking about how they are depicted in art from the period. Wasn't that also a kind of revisionism? I seem to recall that originally they were very sexy. |
BilboBaggins365 said: I am talking about how they are depicted in art from the period. Come to think of it, did that period even have any art that was good looking? As far as I recall all people in art during that time look fugly as well. |
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BilboBaggins365 said:
I am talking about how they are depicted in art from the period.
I am talking about how they are depicted in art from the period.
Come to think of it, did that period even have any art that was good looking? As far as I recall all people in art during that time look fugly as well.
| @TransferUser If you don't like the art of medieval illuminated manuscripts we can't be friends lol. |
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@TransferUser If you don't like the art of medieval illuminated manuscripts we can't be friends lol.
@BilboBaggins365 Which of them is your favorite waifu? |
| @BilboBaggins365 Sure, you can distort a genre to do whatever you want in theory. I've even seen people distort reality and claim the show is historically accurate. |
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@BilboBaggins365 Sure, you can distort a genre to do whatever you want in theory. I've even seen people distort reality and claim the show is historically accurate.
| @giantpudding Alt history by definition is just "what if" history. It literally doesn't need to be rational or believable, nor......historically accurate. Wolfenstein is alt history, and it's more weird occult shit and science fiction, than any realistic vision of how Germany could have won WW2. Literally impossible, they would have needed Sci Fi shit to win that war. If that can qualify sure you can have your weird latex witch in the Hundred Years War lol (might even be more believable than Germany having a chance to win WW2, though alt history writers love that topic). When an artist is crafting historical fiction, I am very stringent on historical accuracy, when they are doing alt history, I don't care at all, nor should anyone. You can be more grounded in thinking about how small divergences, could shape our history in a realistic way, however, that isn't the only correct form of alternate history. The point of alternate history, if anything, is just to give you a tool box, to do whatever you want in the past. TransferUser said: Okay...sure not everyone was waifu bait lol. Still The Garden of Earthly Delights (I guess this is between Late Medieval and Early Modern whatever) is probably one of my favorite art pieces of all time. And I just like all the cute animals killing people in the manuscripts. Which of them is your favorite waifu? |
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thewiru said: Professor Soyberg won't be pleased with your comments, you should stop with this and go back to the pod eat slop". Wait, why did you add the -berg there to refer to "elites" who want you to live in the pod? Careful, OP. antisemitic insinuations? In my anime forum? More likely than you'd think! |
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JaniSIr said: that "historically themed porn show" Title? (too lazy to backtrack this convo) |
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JaniSIr said:
that "historically themed porn show"
that "historically themed porn show"
Title? (too lazy to backtrack this convo)
| @Zarutaku Junketsu no Maria Good show, recommended, but despite the presentation by @giantpudding it's pretty mild by ecchi standards. |
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@Zarutaku Junketsu no Maria
Good show, recommended, but despite the presentation by @giantpudding it's pretty mild by ecchi standards.
Good show, recommended, but despite the presentation by @giantpudding it's pretty mild by ecchi standards.
| @JaniSIr It doesn't even have the ecchi tag... the character designs look awesome though. |
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