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May 15, 10:17 PM

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I feel that Season 1 of Arcane spoiled me rotten giving me hope that animated media could have really thorough storyboards that would allow the viewer to jump in to a new universe with a pre-established world and characters and get a whole picture of it without the need to have previous experience with the universe or having sidenotes on who is who. Having to read cheat notes on reddit just to get a grasp on all this techno-jargon and new clowns introduced that allegedly I'm supposed to feel intimidated because they were some big shots in other Gundam series feels like a chore and just lazy franchise ad for the already hardcore veterans that have watched most if not all of previous series. It's like Gigukk said "oh look, they are doing the thing" and that feels like it's the highlight of the series so far, just fanservice for the OG Gundam fans.

Back to this episode. It's ridiculous how many of us average anime watchers clowned on Domekano because most of the gears set in motion were by cheesy drama triggered because not a single idiot in that universe had the decency to put a lock up their doors. Here we have the same stupid mentality where Annqi and Chalia set up a meeting in some secluded area in order to show their cards, but she just blurts the whole secret meeting plans in her own office with an unlocked door where any idiot like Machu can sneak in and conveniently listen to the whole plan. That's cheap writting not to mention some really bad character writing on an established char like Annqi.

Meh, whatever, sunk cost fallacy is a bich, so I guess I'll just autopilot until the end of the first cour and cut my loses there.
@Kimurah I watched the OG Gundam show in preparation few momths back, something I wanted to get to anyway. And the reason Im enjoying GQ is certainly not cause I recognize things.

I think the comparison to Arcane is kinda flawed to, since that is very much made as an introductory work. It's based on a game with no real plot during gameplay, and the people watching the show on Netflix are NOT people who played LoL.
Meanwhile the 70s Gundam is a classic in Japan.

I get it can feel like a chore when you have to get ready for a new show, but it's not like you're being forced to watch it. And I think works that build on prior works definitely have a place too.

About Annqi, she was in her office, her domain, where she feels in charge and more secure. People make mistakes.
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kuribo-04 said:
I think the comparison to Arcane is kinda flawed to, since that is very much made as an introductory work. It's based on a game with no real plot during gameplay, and the people watching the show on Netflix are NOT people who played LoL.
Meanwhile the 70s Gundam is a classic in Japan.


League of Legends has a ton of lore that's not exactly in the game but it is mostly by text and a lot of it on unnoficial and fanbase sites. Fortiche made Arcane very beginner friendly, zero need to have played LOL or know anything about it's lore to understand and enjoy the characters and the story being unfold. That's exactly my point that you completely missed it. Claiming that Gundam is a franchise that's classic it's a lazy excuse for shoddy cinematography and storyboarding.

kuribo-04 said:
And I think works that build on prior works definitely have a place too.


Other franchises that have had iterations of new titles do their homework on world building rather than expect it's loyal fanbase to have watched previous series in order to catch up with the techno-jargon. Macross franchise is a great example, you didn't need to have watched Macross Plus in order to understand the tech jargon in Macross Delta, the visuals and the storytelling was able to explain the basics to newcomers rather than "shut in" their work for a loyal fanbase. That's how you attract new viewers.

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About Annqi, she was in her office, her domain, where she feels in charge and more secure. People make mistakes.


And this is why I always claim that people in here know jack shit about good writing and cheap writing always gets a pass by short sighted fans.

Annqi took the time to set up a meeting with Chalia in a secluded scenario where their info wouldn't be leaked. It goes against her character to make such a stupid rookie mistake, specially when this new agenda of handling the Gundams will allow them as an org to be debt free, which is the main reason why they do underground battles in the first place. Sharing highly confidential information in her office without even securing the door goes against the whole methodical setup she previously did with Chalia. This is just plain incompetence on the same clownery level like the Signalgate leaks in the US a few weeks ago.

This is cheap writer's convenience that flanderizes a well established character.
KimurahMay 16, 12:22 AM
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I'll keep it short cause I don't think you'll be swayed anyway.

GQ isn't trying to be beginner friendly and it doesn't have to be.
Storyboarding and cinematigraphy are top notch in the show, and I don't think they are related to how you have an audience catch up. That would be mostly dialogue and exposition, but I'm glad GQ is not doing that considering it seems to be a short show.


And on Annqi, I don't think good writing is having characters be flawless. Like you admit yourself those US officials fucked up big time lol. Art is a reflection of reality, and some of the greatest works ever have people making mistakes, often very dumb ones. It's human.
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Expecting some serious fighting next episode.
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Dayum, super impressed with how this episode went. Like there’s a bunch of stuff that’s more for the whole series and the world, but it still looked sick and the bits with the MCs were really good too. Just straight-up beautiful.

Everyone's gonna notice Kazuhiro Takamura since he co-storyboarded, but honestly Motoki Nakanishi might be the real MVP here as episode director.

Even tiny stuff like color tweaks made it feel super moody. Shots we’ve seen before somehow looked even better now. That Nyaan shot at the end some people clocked that from the PVs and it totally delivers. It’s like a flip of Machu’s scene from ep 1, but this time she’s the one starting things, and that cheap ad umbrella was kinda hilarious named and also kinda says a lot about the weird vibe between them
May 20, 8:09 AM

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kuribo-04 said:
GQ isn't trying to be beginner friendly and it doesn't have to be.


It doesn't have to be, but it wouldn't hurt to be beginner friendly in order to get more new viewers. From a business standing point it's highly questionable not to invest more resources to get more viewership and thus more revenue selling merchandise.

kuribo-04 said:
Storyboarding and cinematigraphy are top notch in the show, and I don't think they are related to how you have an audience catch up.


As someone that actually knows how cinematography works (use of assets like lighting, framing and choreography) this show it's just barely ok. A lot of the mech fights are quite messy and hard to follow and even the moments that are meant to be dramatic and carried by the characters are rather flat, nothing outstands in terms of character animation or highlighting important issues to be brought upon later on. Heck quite the opposite, it has already placed Machu and Mya in bikini wardrobe and a loli putting her pilot suit in order to keep it's horny audience entertained.

kuribo-04 said:
And on Annqi, I don't think good writing is having characters be flawless.


In a cut-throat universe where you can be smashed by a rogue pilot in a mech or just being persecuted by not paying your debts, her sloppy attitude should have gotten killed her already. Again, her stupid slip up doesn't match her character writing that previously depicted her as a smart and careful negotiator.

kuribo-04 said:
Like you admit yourself those US officials fucked up big time lol.


But in this particular universe of Gundam it hasn't being pointed out that rulers are stupid and complete incompetents that were chosen by an orange monkey based on loyalty and not by skill. Your point is moot.

kuribo-04 said:
Art is a reflection of reality, and some of the greatest works ever have people making mistakes, often very dumb ones. It's human.


This is just cheap weabo excuses to patch up bad and contrived writing. Again, this is why bad writing gets a lot of praise by ignorant and easy to please people.
KimurahMay 20, 8:25 AM
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kuribo-04 said:
GQ isn't trying to be beginner friendly and it doesn't have to be.


It doesn't have to be, but it wouldn't hurt to be beginner friendly in order to get more new viewers. From a business standing point it's highly questionable not to invest more resources to get more viewership and thus more revenue selling merchandise.

kuribo-04 said:
Storyboarding and cinematigraphy are top notch in the show, and I don't think they are related to how you have an audience catch up.


As someone that actually knows how cinematography works (use of assets like lighting, framing and choreography) this show it's just barely ok. A lot of the mech fights are quite messy and hard to follow and even the moments that are meant to be dramatic and carried by the characters are rather flat, nothing outstands in terms of character animation or highlighting important issues to be brought upon later on. Heck quite the opposite, it has already placed Machu and Mya in bikini wardrobe and a loli putting her pilot suit in order to keep it's horny audience entertained.

kuribo-04 said:
And on Annqi, I don't think good writing is having characters be flawless.


In a cut-throat universe where you can be smashed by a rogue pilot in a mech or just being persecuted by not paying your debts, her sloppy attitude should have gotten killed her already. Again, her stupid slip up doesn't match her character writing that previously depicted her as a smart and careful negotiator.

kuribo-04 said:
Like you admit yourself those US officials fucked up big time lol.


But in this particular universe of Gundam it hasn't being pointed out that rulers are stupid and complete incompetents that were chosen by an orange monkey based on loyalty and not by skill. Your point is moot.

kuribo-04 said:
Art is a reflection of reality, and some of the greatest works ever have people making mistakes, often very dumb ones. It's human.


This is just cheap weabo excuses to patch up bad and contrived writing. Again, this is why bad writing gets a lot of praise by ignorant and easy to please people.
@Kimurah

It doesn't have to be, but it wouldn't hurt to be beginner friendly in order to get more new viewers. From a business standing point it's highly questionable not to invest more resources to get more viewership and thus more revenue selling merchandise.

Yeah well art isn't just business.
But this was one of the most succesful films in the franchise, so...


As someone that actually knows how cinematography works (use of assets like lighting, framing and choreography) this show it's just barely ok.

I know too, I've studied film, and I still disagree. The fights are hectuc but still easy to follow imo, and having fanservice doesnt really take from the quality. Some of the best shit ever has fanservice. The characters are also pretty horny for the main dude in this, so it even makes thematic sense.

But in this particular universe of Gundam it hasn't being pointed out that rulers are stupid. Your point is moot.

Art is a reflection of reality. There's stupid rulers and someone like Annqi can make mistakes. What you're describing would be boring to watch IMO. Everyone just performing perfectly like they're machines.
The whole premise of the show relies on mistakes anyway. Like Char could easily still the Gundam. It happens.

This is just cheap weabo excuses to patch up bad and contrived writing. Again, this is why bad writing gets a lot of praise by ignorant and easy to please people.

No this is just...knowing great art. Like stuff that is among the best ever.
Scottie from Vertigo makes dumb mistakes, Hamlet makes dumb mistakes, both their lives are much worse for it. But they're human.
May 20, 8:59 AM

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kuribo-04 said:
Yeah well art isn't just business.
But this was one of the most succesful films in the franchise, so...


It's both, art stopped being about human feat long time ago. Gundam franchise as far as I know has been surviving on gunpla sales. It would be silly and chidlish to think that the investors of this ip are doing it just for the art and not for the revenue.

kuribo-04 said:
I know too, I've studied film, and I still disagree. The fights are hectuc but still easy to follow imo, and having fanservice doesnt really take from the quality. Some of the best shit ever has fanservice. The characters are also pretty horny for the main dude in this, so it even makes thematic sense.


Well, like I said, this is bad writing for ignorant people with a low bar. So I guess this level of writing is right your alley with flat characters with a horny drive (your lousy defense of horny content and your Asuka avatar pretty much says "I'm in for the horny content rather than the good writing"). And I heavily disagree with the mech choreography. The fight where shuji impaled the mature pilot with a grudge felt quite janky on how he miraculously teleported behind her with nothing in the animation to explain with visuals how he did it.

kuribo-04 said:
and having fanservice doesnt really take from the quality. Some of the best shit ever has fanservice.


And likewise some of the top titles have no fanservice and can entirely rely on it's writing and execution. I seriously doubt that GQuacks can do it alone without pandering the horny weebs.

kuribo-04 said:
Art is a reflection of reality. There's stupid rulers and someone like Annqi can make mistakes. What you're describing would be boring to watch IMO.


It would be boring for people with a low bar like you. For people like me it would be far more interesting to "brief" Machu about Annqi's agenda in some other way that would even expand it's world and other characters while keeping Annqi's character writing pristine. But meh, your bar is that mistakes happen and that's great writing, so there's no point on my behalf on educating you.

kuribo-04 said:
Everyone just performing perfectly like they're machines.


And yet Shuuji is a flawless pilot that can even win while having a cold. But that's not boring am I right?

But back on track, I'm not asking for characters that act like machines. I'm asking for character writing that can stick to it's roots rather than just rely on "hurr durr shit happenz tehe pero"


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kuribo-04 said:
Yeah well art isn't just business.
But this was one of the most succesful films in the franchise, so...


It's both, art stopped being about human feat long time ago. Gundam franchise as far as I know has been surviving on gunpla sales. It would be silly and chidlish to think that the investors of this ip are doing it just for the art and not for the revenue.

kuribo-04 said:
I know too, I've studied film, and I still disagree. The fights are hectuc but still easy to follow imo, and having fanservice doesnt really take from the quality. Some of the best shit ever has fanservice. The characters are also pretty horny for the main dude in this, so it even makes thematic sense.


Well, like I said, this is bad writing for ignorant people with a low bar. So I guess this level of writing is right your alley with flat characters with a horny drive (your lousy defense of horny content and your Asuka avatar pretty much says "I'm in for the horny content rather than the good writing"). And I heavily disagree with the mech choreography. The fight where shuji impaled the mature pilot with a grudge felt quite janky on how he miraculously teleported behind her with nothing in the animation to explain with visuals how he did it.

kuribo-04 said:
and having fanservice doesnt really take from the quality. Some of the best shit ever has fanservice.


And likewise some of the top titles have no fanservice and can entirely rely on it's writing and execution. I seriously doubt that GQuacks can do it alone without pandering the horny weebs.

kuribo-04 said:
Art is a reflection of reality. There's stupid rulers and someone like Annqi can make mistakes. What you're describing would be boring to watch IMO.


It would be boring for people with a low bar like you. For people like me it would be far more interesting to "brief" Machu about Annqi's agenda in some other way that would even expand it's world and other characters while keeping Annqi's character writing pristine. But meh, your bar is that mistakes happen and that's great writing, so there's no point on my behalf on educating you.

kuribo-04 said:
Everyone just performing perfectly like they're machines.


And yet Shuuji is a flawless pilot that can even win while having a cold. But that's not boring am I right?

But back on track, I'm not asking for characters that act like machines. I'm asking for character writing that can stick to it's roots rather than just rely on "hurr durr shit happenz tehe pero"


@Kimurah
Look I've been going without ad hominems this whole time, which is perfectly doable, but since you'll insist on my "low bar" and "ignorance" despite saying utter nonsense constantly; you can't recognize good art when it's right in your face.
And I don't know where you get this false dichotomy from that it's either good writing or sexual content. Watch some Hitchcock dude.

Anyway not much of a point in going on with this convo.
May 20, 10:41 AM

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you can't recognize good art when it's right in your face.


Art is very subjective. What you're doing with your mental gymnastics is to gaslight others into thinking that a banana taped to a wall it's worthy of thousands of dollars. It's too soon, but so far basing my point on how not well received this iteration of Gundam has been so far in this forum, I'd say that it's going to take a lot of elbow grease on behalf of the anime staff to turn it into the shiny gem that you are seeing now thru rose tinted glasses.

I'll die on this hill, great pieces of entertainment have managed to make it big without having to rely to cheap fanservice for the horny and ignorant teens.

KimurahMay 20, 10:44 AM
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kuribo-04 said:
you can't recognize good art when it's right in your face.


Art is very subjective. What you're doing with your mental gymnastics is to gaslight others into thinking that a banana taped to a wall it's worthy of thousands of dollars. It's too soon, but so far basing my point on how not well received this iteration of Gundam has been so far in this forum, I'd say that it's going to take a lot of elbow grease on behalf of the anime staff to turn it into the shiny gem that you are seeing now thru rose tinted glasses.

I'll die on this hill, great pieces of entertainment have managed to make it big without having to rely to cheap fanservice for the horny and ignorant teens.

@Kimurah Why do you think fanservice is something works have to rely on rather than just...part of the work.
It's like saying "this show is just relying on good music, it's just relying on charming characters". It's part of the whole. Idk why you single out fanservice of the sexual kind and not all the other fanservice this has, like mechs, duh.

I would say it's kind of a ridiculous thing to say anyway when a masterpiece like Evangelion has vas amounts of fanservice, but I see you've given that a 5, so lol I guess.

This forum is luckily not representative of the recepction of the show, thank god.

And yeah, art is subjective to a degree. I think you can discuss parts of it objectively too, but idk why you'd point this out after calling me ignorant for liking a show you don't. One that's like...well produced too by any measure.
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@Kimurah Why do you think fanservice is something works have to rely on rather than just...part of the work.
It's like saying "this show is just relying on good music, it's just relying on charming characters". It's part of the whole. Idk why you single out fanservice of the sexual kind and not all the other fanservice this has, like mechs, duh.

I would say it's kind of a ridiculous thing to say anyway when a masterpiece like Evangelion has vas amounts of fanservice, but I see you've given that a 5, so lol I guess.

This forum is luckily not representative of the recepction of the show, thank god.

And yeah, art is subjective to a degree. I think you can discuss parts of it objectively too, but idk why you'd point this out after calling me ignorant for liking a show you don't. One that's like...well produced too by any measure.
@kuribo-04

I'm not even going to bother any further while trying to decipher your post with 4th grader grammar to the point that it's impossible to understand your fanboy butthurt babbling.

Like my ol' pops used to say "pearls before swine".

Enjoy your badly written and executed kid's robot show. You are obviously the main target, ignorant and deluded people with no standards and everything is fine because "things happen".
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idk about all dat other stuff, but red head chibi was being to petty.

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Machu's head is a mess right now. I like the background music, hope they release on spotify soon
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If anyone is wondering about the background music like I did, it is on spotify and it's called きえない (kienai) by NOMELON NOLEMON.

Seems like NOMELON NOLEMON has been handling the OSTs for this series so far
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I hate everything about this season except soundtracks
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Pergamino?!? like the town at the north of buenos aires?. Argentina mentioned rahh
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WTF why is it good now, i had basically dropped it already

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son u promesed your old gendo to stop farting in a gasoline puddle shinji i said no
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