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May 12, 2:32 PM
#51
| Lots to unpack here... so Kamome is a spirit from butterfly? since her mom said she fell into deep sleep and can't wake up, so her spirit made the trip to the island, so she can have the advanture with Hairi (and whoever show up after 10 years promise?) So it turned out they kept in touch by writing letters, and she set the whole thing up so she can recreate the story her mother wrote based on her character, that was very touching I am happy with the ending, but this might be the last we see Kamome and the girl who disappeared on the beach.. I didn't expect to watch a fantasy anime |
May 12, 2:35 PM
#52
| I expected for all story in only one summer, but, time loop still here, good adaptation |
May 12, 2:39 PM
#53
Reply to UnlistedHyper
I'm not gonna lie but, I teared up. I wasn't expecting this episode to hit me in the feels. That kiss scene was perfect, you can't top that. Kamome's mom is such a good mom, she's amazing. Still surviving without Kamome. That doesn't apply to me though. I'm gonna miss Kamome so much. If this episode already made me cry, then I don't know what else is there to come. Umi arc next?
5 out of freaking 5. Best episode up until now. I'll miss you, Kamome. :(
5 out of freaking 5. Best episode up until now. I'll miss you, Kamome. :(
| @UnlistedHyper Umi arc it's the last arc, she is the heroine in the true end route. About Umi she only travel to the past, to the beginning of the summer, now, the story start again, another again... |
May 12, 2:40 PM
#54
| This definitely felt like a classic Key/Visualarts moment with how the episode played out and it still knows how to deliver an emotional punch or two if needed. Knowing the full story about Kamome was really sad and I do feel for her mother considering how she lost her husband and that her daughter is in a deep, eternal sleep. The kiss that both Hairi and Kamome shared was rather special to watch, both for how beautiful this scene played out, but for how emotional it got as well. The soundtrack in particular was excellent, with some of the piano pieces knowing how to deliver a strong impact that elevates the scenes more. I do respect Hairi for going out of his way to make Kamome's wish come true with how he got so many people to visit the ship with how many letters he wrote out. While the pacing did feel a little on the quick end, this arc did end on a strong note. However, it does leave me with a few questions, where the most important one is regarding Umi and how after mentioning "Summer's ending again.", she disappears. Considering how this episode played around with illusions and ghost spirits, it does make me wonder if Umi is the same in that regard. Hopefully the series will answer that question of mine later down the line. |
May 12, 2:40 PM
#55
NakigePlayer said: One of these, you think? Alternative timelines rather than alternative realities.but, time loop still here |
| Lord Cruelty V "But my Dreams they're not as empty, as my conscience seems to be" |
May 12, 2:44 PM
#56
Reply to LordCrueltyV
NakigePlayer said:
but, time loop still here
One of these, you think? Alternative timelines rather than alternative realities.but, time loop still here
| @LordCrueltyV I don't know, the VN never explained. But, I think the timelines when Umi travel to a new summer, still here, so, in my opinion, alternative realities, I think this. (If I wrote something weird, sorry, English not is my main language) |
May 12, 2:47 PM
#57
Reply to Meta_Yoshi
This definitely felt like a classic Key/Visualarts moment with how the episode played out and it still knows how to deliver an emotional punch or two if needed.
Knowing the full story about Kamome was really sad and I do feel for her mother considering how she lost her husband and that her daughter is in a deep, eternal sleep. The kiss that both Hairi and Kamome shared was rather special to watch, both for how beautiful this scene played out, but for how emotional it got as well. The soundtrack in particular was excellent, with some of the piano pieces knowing how to deliver a strong impact that elevates the scenes more.
I do respect Hairi for going out of his way to make Kamome's wish come true with how he got so many people to visit the ship with how many letters he wrote out. While the pacing did feel a little on the quick end, this arc did end on a strong note.
However, it does leave me with a few questions, where the most important one is regarding Umi and how after mentioning "Summer's ending again.", she disappears. Considering how this episode played around with illusions and ghost spirits, it does make me wonder if Umi is the same in that regard. Hopefully the series will answer that question of mine later down the line.
Knowing the full story about Kamome was really sad and I do feel for her mother considering how she lost her husband and that her daughter is in a deep, eternal sleep. The kiss that both Hairi and Kamome shared was rather special to watch, both for how beautiful this scene played out, but for how emotional it got as well. The soundtrack in particular was excellent, with some of the piano pieces knowing how to deliver a strong impact that elevates the scenes more.
I do respect Hairi for going out of his way to make Kamome's wish come true with how he got so many people to visit the ship with how many letters he wrote out. While the pacing did feel a little on the quick end, this arc did end on a strong note.
However, it does leave me with a few questions, where the most important one is regarding Umi and how after mentioning "Summer's ending again.", she disappears. Considering how this episode played around with illusions and ghost spirits, it does make me wonder if Umi is the same in that regard. Hopefully the series will answer that question of mine later down the line.
| @Meta_Yoshi In the episode 1 Hairi ask about feel nostalgic for the island even if it's your first time traveling there This is a hint for a time loop. "Summer's ending again" just another. |
May 12, 2:51 PM
#58
| SUOMI MAINITTU, TORILLE!! |
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May 12, 3:02 PM
#59
NakigePlayer said: I expected for all story in only one summer, but, time loop still here, good adaptation Question? is she alive in the end? Was that the real? |
AnimeFan500May 12, 3:17 PM
May 12, 3:02 PM
#60
| Please dont spoil it, but I was so confused seeing Umi disappearing at the very end! Im very intrigued. |
May 12, 3:14 PM
#61
Reply to AnimeFan500
NakigePlayer said:
I expected for all story in only one summer, but, time loop still here, good adaptation

I expected for all story in only one summer, but, time loop still here, good adaptation
Question? is she alive in the end? Was that the real?
| @AnimeFan500 It's hard to respond Umi still unborn, she is a time traveler and she is from the future, in the True End same thing, the game from 2018 have an open end, be the way, the game from 2020 have a closed end and yes, Umi still alive in the correct timeline for her, she changed the history to get her perfect future |
May 12, 3:15 PM
#62
Reply to NakigePlayer
I expected for all story in only one summer, but, time loop still here, good adaptation

| @NakigePlayer Either spoiler tag it or don't post. Stop running it for the non anime people. You've replied multiple times with spoilers. I hope many enjoyed the Kamome route! It's definitely my second favorite among the main four cast members. Tsumugi is my favorite, who I assume is next. I'm very excited to see how they adapt hers!!! |
Phoenix_TriteMay 12, 3:19 PM
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May 12, 3:16 PM
#63
Reply to Phoenix_Trite
@NakigePlayer
Either spoiler tag it or don't post. Stop running it for the non anime people. You've replied multiple times with spoilers.
I hope many enjoyed the Kamome route! It's definitely my second favorite among the main four cast members. Tsumugi is my favorite, who I assume is next. I'm very excited to see how they adapt hers!!!
Either spoiler tag it or don't post. Stop running it for the non anime people. You've replied multiple times with spoilers.
I hope many enjoyed the Kamome route! It's definitely my second favorite among the main four cast members. Tsumugi is my favorite, who I assume is next. I'm very excited to see how they adapt hers!!!
| @Phoenix_Trite Ok |
May 12, 3:22 PM
#64
| We're not getting an Otome x Amnesia kind of story are we? It's hard to watch romcom nowadays. Good romance with dead heroine/mc or trash harem romance with useless mc wasting world's precious oxygen. You can't have both. But still a beautiful anime, very beautiful short story! I would buy the VS if there was a route similar to Otome x Amnesia fr, Kamome is an amazing heroine. Hairi is an amazing MC, 10/10 character writing. I won't keep watching, though, why are we here? Just to suffer? |
May 12, 3:28 PM
#65
Reply to AnimeFan500
NakigePlayer said:
I expected for all story in only one summer, but, time loop still here, good adaptation

I expected for all story in only one summer, but, time loop still here, good adaptation
Question? is she alive in the end? Was that the real?
| @AnimeFan500 Umi? Yes you'll see her again next episode. Kamome? It's heavily implied to not be the real Kamome but there's no definitive source for it and the visual novel even leaves it quite nebulous. But as for more info Ao's route will shed more light on it. I was wondering if this was going to do something similar to Little Buster's adaptation but now we know. Oh no I'm actually going to have to finish reading Pockets route before we reach it in a few months time... Honestly a neat and tightly written arc despite cramming half the arc into one episode. I'm glad that it managed to adapt the heartwarming parts like the letters. Not the arc where Hairi shines the most but a really solid introduction. |
May 12, 3:33 PM
#66
| wow, now I understand it was really well done E6:8/10 |
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May 12, 3:52 PM
#67
| Who played the visual novel this episode was very very offensive |
May 12, 4:28 PM
#68
| Nice episode but sad too. Not sure what the hell the remaining episodes will be π€·. Also I thought this originally had a supernatural tag. It would make sense since dead people are on adventures and Umi disappeared on the beach. |
May 12, 4:34 PM
#69
| i'm a little perplexed, who were the huge crowd visiting the ship supposed to be in relation to the comatose/dead girl? fans of her mother's publication? also how come nobody could remember her or the MC until revealed and explained by the narrative? isn't that just a little too convenient? also why are they making her existence ambiguous now that they revealed she "wasn't there" when she certainly existed not an few episodes ago interacting with the islands inhabitants and now suddenly only he can confirm her being? although barely acceptable i feel like this holiday spirit/Christmas magic plot hole/line doesn't really fit well within anime in general, but i can keep that to myself i guess. |
chenfengMay 12, 4:43 PM
May 12, 4:47 PM
#70
| So Kamome was a ghost, or astral projecting because it’s unclear if she’s still alive or not, people here are saying coma but I took her mom’s words as a dirt nap lol, either way, ghost boobs, and that’s the end of it lol. Oh and also Umi is a ghost too, or something related, does anyone else want to reveal themself as a ghost while we’re at it? Lol, I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m a ghost at this point. All my joking aside tho, pretty nice ending to Kamome’s arc even if I was confused for most of it, unfortunately too confused to feel sad like some others here, but I’m glad to know it’s supposed to be that way based on what someone else said here lol. I think the best reveal of all was that the past scenes that Hairi was seeing weren’t actually the past, so a lot of us were misled in thinking that Hairi knew Kamome before, of course I felt like there was more to it but I’ll admit I was fooled, the reveal of the cave having shallow ass water was also pretty good. I will say tho, I wasn’t really the biggest fan of the way they said Kamome was “creative”, idk if just doing The Goonies irl means you’re creative lol, I liked what they were going for with this being a recreation of her mom’s story and all but I couldn’t get that out of my head. And yeah I think this probably could have used maybe one more episode to make it feel more properly paced, I knew it would be kinda fast based on what VN players were saying last week so I was prepared, but I definitely think that played a role in how impactful the end of the arc was. Complaints aside, I still really liked it, Kamome’s final moments were great and that kiss was sweet, she really made her mark on the show despite not physically being there, great girl indeed, still unsure about best but time will tell on that. And I guess from here we head to a different arc, I imagine this means we’re going back to the beginning of the summer again in classic VN style, I’m excited to see who’s next. |
TheColonel76May 12, 5:00 PM
May 12, 5:13 PM
#72
Reply to XArceusX
The start almost gave me a heart attack. Seeing my Kamome vanish was really painful, but I hoped for an ending where she'd return. I doubt that's going to happen now. I'd even be satisfied with seeing her only for a moment in the future episodes. Why does this always happen with the girl we love and root for? π
We also learned about Kamome, her story, and her struggles from her mother—she's such a good mother—and then some other things from Kamome herself. What is up with this show? Wasn't it supposed to be a "Slice of Life"? So why are there these mysterious supernatural events happening? My dear Kamome, how will I live without you and the fanservice you provide π.

Finally, the kiss scene—Hairi revealed his feelings for Kamome to her mother, saying he was certain that he loved her.
It was funny when the cute little Umi caught Hairi with the panties, but her expression showed sadness. And now you're telling me I won't be able to see her anymore? Nah, I can't take any more losses. And what was up with Umi—why did she disappear?

We also learned about Kamome, her story, and her struggles from her mother—she's such a good mother—and then some other things from Kamome herself. What is up with this show? Wasn't it supposed to be a "Slice of Life"? So why are there these mysterious supernatural events happening? My dear Kamome, how will I live without you and the fanservice you provide π.
Finally, the kiss scene—Hairi revealed his feelings for Kamome to her mother, saying he was certain that he loved her.
It was funny when the cute little Umi caught Hairi with the panties, but her expression showed sadness. And now you're telling me I won't be able to see her anymore? Nah, I can't take any more losses. And what was up with Umi—why did she disappear?
| @XArceusX I think she was(Umi)like a spirit ,god or something like that,that is looking after Hairi ,at the end she said "Summer is ending again" and she disapeared like Kamome did ,not to say that "Umi" mean "sea" in japanese ,so maybe she is like a spirit of summer who help Kamome made her wish reality, we even had that scene with first key at the temple ,and after the second key at the crematory(death or life after death),aniway it was a ep so complex and hard to understad, inthe 15th minute all that I did can said was just "my brain does not want to braining" |
Cassian1422May 12, 5:19 PM
May 12, 5:26 PM
#73
May 12, 5:38 PM
#74
| The episode moved me quite a bit. I cried and everything, but I'm left with more questions than anything else. I'll miss Kamome.π€§π |
May 12, 5:40 PM
#75
TheColonel76 said: I have been undead for centuries.does anyone else want to reveal themself as a ghost while we’re at it? Lol |
| Lord Cruelty V "But my Dreams they're not as empty, as my conscience seems to be" |
May 12, 5:41 PM
#76
Reply to chenfeng
i'm a little perplexed, who were the huge crowd visiting the ship supposed to be in relation to the comatose/dead girl? fans of her mother's publication? also how come nobody could remember her or the MC until revealed and explained by the narrative? isn't that just a little too convenient? also why are they making her existence ambiguous now that they revealed she "wasn't there" when she certainly existed not an few episodes ago interacting with the islands inhabitants and now suddenly only he can confirm her being? although barely acceptable i feel like this holiday spirit/Christmas magic plot hole/line doesn't really fit well within anime in general, but i can keep that to myself i guess.
| @chenfeng The crowd are indeed the fan of the book, Hairi reply back the fanletters and want to hold a fan meeting something Kamome and her mother plan to do but end up not doing it because Kamome's health got worst. The rainbow/spirit butterfly will be explain in latter part of the story. |
May 12, 5:42 PM
#77
May 12, 5:51 PM
#78
Reply to FlowMAL
This kinda just feels like a bootleg Anohana
| @FlowMAL Key (studio who made this VN) popularized this formula back in 1998 with Kanon, Anohana is the one that's a bootleg of Kanon, AIR, Clannad but at the same time that's like calling Naruto a One Piece bootleg |
May 12, 5:55 PM
#79
Reply to LordCrueltyV
TheColonel76 said:
does anyone else want to reveal themself as a ghost while we’re at it? Lol
I have been undead for centuries.does anyone else want to reveal themself as a ghost while we’re at it? Lol
| @LordCrueltyV And I’m a deadhead, I guess that makes me undead of sorts too lol. |
May 12, 5:59 PM
#80
| THEY KEPT THE ROMANCE, THEY ARE KEEPING THE ROMANCE HOLY SHIT after Little Busters! and Rewrite I didn't think this would happen but even with the severe cutting down route length that alone proves to me this will be a great adaptation The time loop will be properly done but probably won't suspect it's only Umi who knows what's happening and will be confused once the mental reversion starts |
May 12, 6:23 PM
#81
| This episode was some peak fiction! ngl not too sure what any of it meant but it was frickin beautiful |
May 12, 7:12 PM
#82
| Episodes 1-5 have been good but I’m a little confused on what just happened. So with Kamome and Hairi, how were they together in episodes 4-5? Was it him hallucinating or that butterfly thing affecting him. I’m little confused, can someone explain it to me. Also how was she still visiting him at the end? π π |
May 12, 7:21 PM
#83
| What a great episode!!! It had it all, it made me cry, smile, be confused, be surprised, be excited, believe in an impossible love, and above all believe in dreams and promises. Pd: If my intuition doesn't fail me, we will see that butterfly more times, and all the same as with Kamome's story. |
May 12, 8:12 PM
#84
| What a great episode this was, filed with beautiful emotional moments. Hairi was able to complete Kamome's dream at the end. |
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May 12, 8:37 PM
#86
| your typical wtf is going on visual novel, brain burst moments, with cry's and laughs, and wtf moments. π and that's why I enjoy watching every adaption of a visual novel. especially from key :) |
May 12, 9:09 PM
#87
| noooooo Kamome I'll never forget you π |
May 12, 9:27 PM
#88
| Summer Pockets, Episode 6 My Thoughts: This episode made me feel a lot of things, mostly sad ones. Did any of the interactions between Kamome Kushima and Hairi Takahara really take place? Did Kamome's interactions with the other people on the island in the present actually happen? Do the others who interacted with teenage Kamome on the island remember those events? I think there are three versions of Kamome: the real one, the one from the book "The Adventures of the Higenekos", and the one who had an adventure with Hairi. I’m so disappointed in Umi Katou for leaving without telling Hairi. Was Umi also a ghost? Sagi Kushima is super rich. She lives on a private island and even beached a sailboat just to make her daughter happy. Event Summary: Kamome and Hairi find the sailboat they were looking for. I didn’t understand the scene inside the sailboat. Kamome tells a bunch of nonsense to Hairi inside the ship and becomes a butterfly. Hairi travels to a privately owned island where he meets Sagi, Kamome’s mother. Sagi tells Hairi that Kamome has been in Finland for the past two years. Sagi was the one who wrote "The Adventures of the Higenekos". The sailboat found at the end of the cave was brought there by Sagi’s orders. The real Kamome responded to a letter from Hairi ten years ago, telling him that if he held on to that memory, she would invite him on an amazing adventure ten years later. Sagi also mentions the butterflies and theorizes that they may have something to do with Kamome. Hairi sleeps in the ship, and Kamome visits him. She doesn’t remember if she was the one who hid the keys. She tells him that she came back to see him one more time and that she’s going somewhere far away. She looks at the sky while saying this. They kiss. Sagi tells Hairi that Kamome fell into an eternal sleep just before this summer. She died. Umi went home without telling Hairi. Many people come to see the ship after Hairi's letter campaign. He says it was Kamome herself who invited them. Hairi and Kamome promise to meet and go on another adventure ten years from now. Umi is alone on the beach, says “Summer’s ending again,” and disappears into particles of light. |
May 12, 9:45 PM
#89
| I have mixed feelings over this episode as it left a lot of unanswered questions, a big one being if Kamome was a ghost or something because I believe her mom said that she was in a coma in another place so was Hairi interacting with a ghost or something? He was able to touch her so... maybe not a ghost but some sort of supernatural being or something. Also, I think Hairi realized that he had gone with Kamome to that same ship when they were both small but he didn't seem to react much to that realization, I figured he would've been excited or something at least. Also, about Umi, why did she not tell Hairi that she would be leaving soon? She seemed a bit upset so I wonder if Hairi did something to upset her like not spending time with her (or maybe it was the panties he was holding from the suitcase lol). Anyway, I'm not sure if any of these questions will be answered but now I wonder if the other girls will end up being supernatural beings too. |
May 12, 9:59 PM
#90
Reply to raisin-kun
@AnimeFan500
Umi? Yes you'll see her again next episode. Kamome?
It's heavily implied to not be the real Kamome but there's no definitive source for it and the visual novel even leaves it quite nebulous. But as for more info Ao's route will shed more light on it.
I was wondering if this was going to do something similar to Little Buster's adaptation but now we know. Oh no I'm actually going to have to finish reading Pockets route before we reach it in a few months time...
Honestly a neat and tightly written arc despite cramming half the arc into one episode. I'm glad that it managed to adapt the heartwarming parts like the letters. Not the arc where Hairi shines the most but a really solid introduction.
Umi? Yes you'll see her again next episode. Kamome?
It's heavily implied to not be the real Kamome but there's no definitive source for it and the visual novel even leaves it quite nebulous. But as for more info Ao's route will shed more light on it.
I was wondering if this was going to do something similar to Little Buster's adaptation but now we know. Oh no I'm actually going to have to finish reading Pockets route before we reach it in a few months time...
Honestly a neat and tightly written arc despite cramming half the arc into one episode. I'm glad that it managed to adapt the heartwarming parts like the letters. Not the arc where Hairi shines the most but a really solid introduction.
| @raisin-kun So, the real question is real Kamome still alive in coma state or she's already dead (eternal sleep) or it's intended to make it ambiguous in VN so it comes back to viewer interpretation? P.S.: You're so based using that White Album 2 scene for your signature |
May 12, 10:37 PM
#91
| Never thought this would be such an emotional story the twists twisted my brain like rubber Spoiler: "Kamome fell into an eternal sleep" this made me very sad as I didn't expect it to be turned out like this |
May 12, 10:43 PM
#92
| So I've a feeling all the girls on the island might be spirits. Any idea what's going on with Umi Katou? |
May 12, 10:45 PM
#93
| What the fuck, that was so unimpressive lol. Think I'm gonna drop it here. |
May 12, 10:49 PM
#94
Reply to Aizen_Gintoki
@P4UL_R No I completely agree and I was beginning to think that it might just be me because everyone else seems to really love this episode.
To briefly summarize what my criticisms are: I am someone who absolutely loved the first 4 episodes because they had a calm, heartfelt slice of life vibe that was done very well. Episode 5 personally felt a bit weaker but still okay, I was more than happy to overlook it if it meant letting the anime tell us the story that way it wants to. But I have to be honest, this episode which apparently wraps up the Kamome Arc just didn't land for me at all. I don't know what exactly is the problem but it personally felt somewhat rushed, emotionally flat, and everything became too confusing. I understand that this approach might have been intentional but I guess I just didn't like the way it was done.
And I know that this is just me but i definitely felt like this whole pirate ship subplot came off as a bit random instead of actually being symbolic or meaningful. I couldn't get into it because the emotional beats felt a bit too sudden and unearned and there wasn't enough time for me to really connect before I was supposed to feel sad.
Another thing that did not work for me was that this whole treasure hunt plotline blurred the line between imagination and reality without giving enough context or explanation so I was also finding it difficult to figure out what was actually happening or why it mattered emotionally. It straight up introduced fantastical elements but I would have preferred it if those elements had been grounded first so that the 'emotional' payoff would feel more impactful because right now I know I am expected to feel sad but I just can't feel it.
Maybe this arc hits harder in the visual novel since you would generally have way more time to explore the inner world of Kamome but I guess despite the best efforts of the studio adapting it, the sudden emotional conclusion to this arc came off as a bit forced and tonally messy. I am not dropping it yet though, and I hope the future arcs are better.
To briefly summarize what my criticisms are: I am someone who absolutely loved the first 4 episodes because they had a calm, heartfelt slice of life vibe that was done very well. Episode 5 personally felt a bit weaker but still okay, I was more than happy to overlook it if it meant letting the anime tell us the story that way it wants to. But I have to be honest, this episode which apparently wraps up the Kamome Arc just didn't land for me at all. I don't know what exactly is the problem but it personally felt somewhat rushed, emotionally flat, and everything became too confusing. I understand that this approach might have been intentional but I guess I just didn't like the way it was done.
And I know that this is just me but i definitely felt like this whole pirate ship subplot came off as a bit random instead of actually being symbolic or meaningful. I couldn't get into it because the emotional beats felt a bit too sudden and unearned and there wasn't enough time for me to really connect before I was supposed to feel sad.
Another thing that did not work for me was that this whole treasure hunt plotline blurred the line between imagination and reality without giving enough context or explanation so I was also finding it difficult to figure out what was actually happening or why it mattered emotionally. It straight up introduced fantastical elements but I would have preferred it if those elements had been grounded first so that the 'emotional' payoff would feel more impactful because right now I know I am expected to feel sad but I just can't feel it.
Maybe this arc hits harder in the visual novel since you would generally have way more time to explore the inner world of Kamome but I guess despite the best efforts of the studio adapting it, the sudden emotional conclusion to this arc came off as a bit forced and tonally messy. I am not dropping it yet though, and I hope the future arcs are better.
| @Aizen_Gintoki The revelations are more prepared in the VN, notably the first mention of the book is much earlier, not just after the fact. I think it would have added a natural feel to your experience, both that it is "earned" and that the supernatural is less sudden with more foreshadowing. "there wasn't enough time for me to really connect" It must be said that the VN skips a huge majority of the common route and slice of life interactions, including Kamome's, so yes you have less time to get connected to the characters, and likewise they synthesized the entire route, including what happens before the boat, not to mention the last episode which does half the arc in one go. The change in media certainly hurts the complexity of the route and its naturalness. As for the explanations, on the other hand, it's "normal" we'll have to wait for the rest on certain things, ahah. "Inner World of Kamome" For me, that's not even the biggest difference from the original version; it's more the legacy Kamome leaves behind. But anyway, I understand your feeling. |
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May 12, 11:10 PM
#95
Reply to chenfeng
i'm a little perplexed, who were the huge crowd visiting the ship supposed to be in relation to the comatose/dead girl? fans of her mother's publication? also how come nobody could remember her or the MC until revealed and explained by the narrative? isn't that just a little too convenient? also why are they making her existence ambiguous now that they revealed she "wasn't there" when she certainly existed not an few episodes ago interacting with the islands inhabitants and now suddenly only he can confirm her being? although barely acceptable i feel like this holiday spirit/Christmas magic plot hole/line doesn't really fit well within anime in general, but i can keep that to myself i guess.
| @chenfeng I should answer half of the messages on this thread individually, but you've asked the question that interests me the most, so let's go ahead. It will also be my way, if others come across this message, to develop my feelings about adaptation and its loss of symbolism. So, I'm going to put some parts in spoilers so as not to bother those who would like to discover the VN, but I'm ONLY explaining and details elements of Kamome's route and the VN version of the episode to answer the first part of your post. They weren't in contact with her, it was just a letter received and a letter returned, telling them all "Come back and experience Kamome's adventure in ten years," as seen when Hairi reads his letter. But yes, the crowd is supposed to represent fans of Kamome and her mother's work, but that's the biggest flaw of the episode for me. In the visual novel, it's not a crowd that comes to see the boat, not at all. Hairi sends a ton of letters to the old readers of the book that he found through the letters that Kamome kept, to perpetuate her desire to recreate the adventure of the book in reality with his readers. But only very few come, I don't remember exactly how many but off the top of my head I would say 4 or 5 people. The fact that they suddenly remember is precisely what the route is about. For Kamome, it was an essential memory of her life, this work, what she left to the world, a moment shared with other readers. For them, it marked their youth, but they have forgotten. Time has done its work. In 10 years, they've moved on, Kamome is in a coma, and her mother has stopped working on their real-life adventure project. Here, memories, their importance, is relative. In the original version, they don't go straight to the boat, so we see them replay the whole adventure, including going back through the cave with the others. At first, they're not into it, but they get more and more into the adventure. There's a real sense of satisfaction in their discovery of the boat. They had forgotten the book all these years, but deep down, their spirit of adventure, that little spark of nostalgia, of childhood, and of what Kamome's book left in their hearts, is brought back to life. Just come back to see the boat? That makes no sense. We lose everything that makes Summer Pockets: a connection to time, nostalgia, rediscovered memories, but also wasted time, lost time. I think they wanted to refocus on the romance with Kamome, but that's losing precisely that part that speaks to you and that actually makes the heart of the work and the beauty of Kamome as a person. As for how it works with Kamome's spirit, I can't explain, however, the others routes will explain the supernatural more "concretely". |
VNs is the superior media |
May 12, 11:12 PM
#96
| Alright, 3 more heroines to break our hearts. On a serious note, everything in this episode isn't meant to be in 1. The story telling went from a chill ride on a bicycle to a sudden bullet train(wreck). But still, it's amazing one can still be emotional throughout. I can see that banking everything on character depth but butchering the story may work for this media. |
May 12, 11:23 PM
#97
Reply to Alfredo-Sauce
I have mixed feelings over this episode as it left a lot of unanswered questions, a big one being if Kamome was a ghost or something because I believe her mom said that she was in a coma in another place so was Hairi interacting with a ghost or something? He was able to touch her so... maybe not a ghost but some sort of supernatural being or something. Also, I think Hairi realized that he had gone with Kamome to that same ship when they were both small but he didn't seem to react much to that realization, I figured he would've been excited or something at least.
Also, about Umi, why did she not tell Hairi that she would be leaving soon? She seemed a bit upset so I wonder if Hairi did something to upset her like not spending time with her (or maybe it was the panties he was holding from the suitcase lol). Anyway, I'm not sure if any of these questions will be answered but now I wonder if the other girls will end up being supernatural beings too.
Also, about Umi, why did she not tell Hairi that she would be leaving soon? She seemed a bit upset so I wonder if Hairi did something to upset her like not spending time with her (or maybe it was the panties he was holding from the suitcase lol). Anyway, I'm not sure if any of these questions will be answered but now I wonder if the other girls will end up being supernatural beings too.
| @Alfredo-Sauce Alfredo-Sauce said: . Also, I think Hairi realized that he had gone with Kamome to that same ship when they were both small but he didn't seem to react much to that realization, I figured he would've been excited or something at least. Hairi never went on an adventure when he was a kid. He's mistaking the adventure he read in the book when he was little to be his memories and that's all thanks to Kamome "re-creating" the adventure in the story in real life with him. Although it wasn't really the real Kamome but only some sort of mirage that have something to do with that weird butterfly. |
May 12, 11:41 PM
#98
Reply to kumorikami
I played the VN, I knew what was coming, I should be ready
And yet I cried
Kamome....
And yet I cried
Kamome....
| @kumorikami Lol same. I kept complaining too much was omitted but it still got me. |
May 12, 11:48 PM
#99
| Bruh I’m so confused so did what happen with them going on a adventure when they were younger really happen or was that just part of the story from the book and how tf was kamome there and also where tf did the lil girl disappear to at the end? |
May 13, 12:20 AM
#100
Reply to siraqOrNoraq
Bruh I’m so confused so did what happen with them going on a adventure when they were younger really happen or was that just part of the story from the book and how tf was kamome there and also where tf did the lil girl disappear to at the end?
| @siraqOrNoraq siraqOrNoraq said: Bruh I’m so confused so did what happen with them going on a adventure when they were younger really happen or was that just part of the story from the book The adventure was purely just a story that happened in the book. Hairi never went to that same island as a kid (as far as the show went) and the real Kamome was too sickly to go on an actual adventure herself. |
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