Shoushimin Series Episode 10 Discussion

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Relatively boring series, but the animation was actually quite fluid. Good production quality.

Sep 30, 7:46 PM

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Okay, she did lie but...fear can make people act out. She was trying protect herself, right? Interested to see if it's a habit of hers or a one off. Trust issues all around for sure though

Oct 1, 12:09 AM

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Zorasce

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What a crazy show.

Right from the start of the series Osanai is in deep with the manipulation. It's actually worth going back to skip around the first half of the show from the perspective of the later half. Something I only noticed because I looked back to see how the characters' attitudes changed throughout the series was that at the start of Ep.01 there's a girl from Osanai's previous class whom she hides from. I'm reasonably confident that girl is Osanai's accomplice for the kidnapping at the end (they look exceptionally similar, though not confirmed afaik).

Throughout the show Osanai is constantly baiting and pushing and manipulating Kobato towards an end. For example whenever he's about to get bored with one of those mundane mysteries she pushes it a little further, tosses out some false conclusions, or baits an answer, and gets him invested again. She may have been planning the conclusion of this series right from the start.

I get why people are little confused and miffed with how the series played out, but I promise you there's deeper meaning (as mundane or frustrating as those details may be) behind most of the Osanai / Kobato interactions if you're willing to do some digging. It's these little things like Osanai getting Kobato to eat and enjoy sweets despite his claims and protests in the early episodes how he doesn't like them. Nothing too crazy about a guy enjoying some cakes with a person he likes, but by the last episode, the last bite of the parfait has him grimace as if he just remembered he's not a fan of sweets. Crazy as it sounds but I think little dude may have even been twisted into enjoying sweets -- admittedly I could be over-reading the reaction.

Seemingly throughout the show Osanai is constant in her manipulation and conditioning of Kobato towards her end goal with nearly every interaction and it's terrifying. Every single thing Osani does is ultimately suspect.

Some folk were probably hoping to get Hyouka with some cute waifu material detective shenanigans and instead we got a potential masterclass in a manipulating, gaslighting, and absolutely terrifying yandere in Osanai. The slow realization as Kobato goes from infantilizing Osanai as something to be guided and protected to the realization that she's a mile ahead and has been toying with him this entire time is amazing.

Osanai is easily one of the best villains I've seen in a very long time.

And to the people who didn't enjoy this show I don't think you're entirely wrong either. There's a lot of show and don't tell with things left for us to infer which could have been done a lot better. For example the hot chocolate case in ep.02. We don't know if it was Osanai or the sister that prompted the investigation, but given the ending it seems likely Osanai pushed it. Osanai then goes on to give him looks of concern for getting into his detective mode, but I do suspect the doth lady protest too much -- especially given the end where she tries to equate his actions with hers and normalize their guilt. Dude helped some friends, solved the mystery of the missing mustard and magical hot chocolate while little yandere over there got two small time gangs arrested and at least one that we know of with trumped up charges.

By the end of season 2 I wouldn't be surprised if this show gets School Days wild -- more likely just some Holmes / Moriarty stuff -- but imagine how nice that boat would be...

P.S. I could be entirely off base with all of this and the show just really sucks. She was never meant to be a villain, the author honestly doesn't view framing and ruining the lives of multiple young adults (troubled as they may be) as some horrible crime, and the author and studio may honestly think they created a cute and quirky little potential waifu. It wouldn't be the first my dumbass tried spinning a story into something deeper.

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Oct 1, 9:57 AM

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I think anybody who has a slightly longer attention span than the average when it comes to gen Z or somebody into detective novels would have found this show to be simply amazing.

But alas that's not the norm when it comes to MAL users so a 7.32 sounds about right.

Oct 1, 8:18 PM

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The ending was very weird with them separating ways and finding new people to talk too. Overall the episode definitely left a bitter taste. The truck exploding at the end is a cool cliff hanger. Can't wait for season 2.

Oct 4, 11:46 PM

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Good finale, kind of an interesting twist at the end.

Oct 5, 10:58 PM

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bruh i wasn't able to dodge this show. a solid bait/10 </3

Oct 6, 1:02 PM

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Outrightly, one of the most boring anime I've ever seen. What a snoozefest.

@Cestlavie_ I suggest to stick to watching Shounen series

Oct 6, 1:04 PM

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Relatively boring series, but the animation was actually quite fluid. Good production quality.

@basspig if you thought it was boring, this kind of show is not for you. Because personally, it was interesting all through out for me.

Oct 6, 1:10 PM

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saikyozero said:
@Cestlavie_ I suggest to stick to watching Shounen series

Not being shonen isn't the problem. It was just quite simply boring.

Oct 7, 3:32 AM

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saikyozero said:
@Cestlavie_ I suggest to stick to watching Shounen series

Not being shonen isn't the problem. It was just quite simply boring.

@Cestlavie_ majority says otherwise, so I am guessing you are the outlier?

Oct 7, 3:33 AM

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saikyozero said:
@Cestlavie_ I suggest to stick to watching Shounen series

Not being shonen isn't the problem. It was just quite simply boring.

@Cestlavie_ seeing one of your favorites is NGNL, I can confirm it is an attention span problem. That anime is a roller coaster.

Oct 7, 9:51 AM

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@basspig if you thought it was boring, this kind of show is not for you. Because personally, it was interesting all through out for me.

@saikyozero It was like a poor knockoff of Hyouka, which to me was more engaging. This one wasn't that well written.

Oct 7, 10:20 AM

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saikyozero said:
@Cestlavie_ majority says otherwise, so I am guessing you are the outlier?

It's rated 7.32 lol the stats say I'm not the outlier, the people that liked it the most will obviously voice their opinions strongly on the forums

Oct 7, 10:21 AM

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saikyozero said:
@Cestlavie_ seeing one of your favorites is NGNL, I can confirm it is an attention span problem. That anime is a roller coaster.

I like monogatari, hyouka and violet Evergarden. This anime was just boring to me it's really as simple as that.

Oct 7, 10:37 AM

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@saikyozero It was like a poor knockoff of Hyouka, which to me was more engaging. This one wasn't that well written.

@basspig there you go. You were just waiting for someone to disagree to compare it to the superior one. What a lame way of elaboration.

Oct 7, 10:39 AM

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saikyozero said:
@Cestlavie_ majority says otherwise, so I am guessing you are the outlier?

It's rated 7.32 lol the stats say I'm not the outlier, the people that liked it the most will obviously voice their opinions strongly on the forums

@Cestlavie_ 7.32 is pretty average, I might even say it's above average score. So yeah, people enjoyed it. The noisy ones are usually the ones posting everywhere because they want validation, like scores. LMAO

Oct 7, 10:40 AM

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saikyozero said:
@Cestlavie_ seeing one of your favorites is NGNL, I can confirm it is an attention span problem. That anime is a roller coaster.

I like monogatari, hyouka and violet Evergarden. This anime was just boring to me it's really as simple as that.

@Cestlavie_ boring to YOU, yes. Not saying it is not.

Oct 7, 11:56 AM

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saikyozero said:
@Cestlavie_ 7.32 is pretty average, I might even say it's above average score. So yeah, people enjoyed it. The noisy ones are usually the ones posting everywhere because they want validation, like scores. LMAO

7.32 is low for this site lol, anything below 7.5 really that came out after 2020 is quite mediocre, so let's not pretend it's a good score. Validation? I just said stuff was freaking boring. u guys keep tagging me like I committed a crime.

Oct 7, 1:05 PM

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@Cestlavie_ Why won't I tag you when I am trying to reply to your comment? No one is pretending it is good, because it IS good. It's just not for some people, like you.

Oct 7, 2:43 PM

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@basspig there you go. You were just waiting for someone to disagree to compare it to the superior one. What a lame way of elaboration.

@saikyozero sounds to me like you're just looking for an argument. Would this be the five minute argument or the full half hour?

Oct 7, 4:07 PM

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@saikyozero sounds to me like you're just looking for an argument. Would this be the five minute argument or the full half hour?

@basspig whatever do you mean by that? Is that something you do? Sounds petty

Oct 7, 9:24 PM

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