Date A Live V Episode 6 Discussion

@SpiderMiles3523 no, its awful, any type of villain would have made the story move the exact same way

but you do you lil bro, i also like things that fcking suck

@Atavistic Wdym he shouldn’t be relevant anymore? Westcott is literally the shows main antagonist.

@Berch0 And my opinion is that he shouldn't be the main antagonist. That should be Mio at this point, with Westcott serving as an intermediate antagonist to get through the middle of the story before he gets offed and the true final boss emerges.

I'm sick of seeing anime villains being bad only because they like to have fucking bonners.

Also, people is dying left and right, it's not even impactful. All this war has been so weak exactly because of that, it's trying too hard to impact the viewers lol

@StallionXD whole point of them dying fast is to show the difficulty and stakes in the fight. It is not one they can get out without a scratch. Especially since episode 3 showed the good guys to be winning against dem.

Westcott being just a pos was pretty evident when he got introduced in season 2 and made tohka invert. It was to raise the stakes of the gag villains of the ast.

@SpiderMiles3523 😴💤💤💤💤💤

@StallionXD the show is polling number one right now. On track to win aots

@SpiderMiles3523 if u like to dream that's good, I also dream when I'm sleeping 😴💤💤💤💤💤

@StallionXD just go on trending, corner, sugoi and see for yourselves. Vol 17-19 really are the best written lns since it is a massive payoff of 16 lns of buildup and alluding

FYI mushoku tensei tp 4 is literally just the origami arc of dal iii

@Mikarin_Enjoyer one of the stupidest things I have heard. It seems you forget everything from the past 4 seasons. You probably don't understand a villain essential to the plot and a throw away one dimensional villain for an op protagonist. It takes good writing to interwinr the villains into the story for like 20 volumes and not them make throwaway that are just there for someone to fight and get one shotted. Show is already polled number one this season.

@SpiderMiles3523 can you block me? i blocked you but i can still see your stupidity, please, so we dont find each other again :)

@Berch0 And my opinion is that he shouldn't be the main antagonist. That should be Mio at this point, with Westcott serving as an intermediate antagonist to get through the middle of the story before he gets offed and the true final boss emerges.

@SpiderMiles3523 why are u talking like that, r u autistic?
btw, why do u bring up that mushoku shit I hate it I've never ever seen it lmao no one cares stfu

i think ive never been less interested in the story of a villain than Ike's
he so boring and uninspired, i cant be the only one that doesnt give 2 craps about him lmao


question for my bros with better memory, how is it that this Mana is the same as Shin's sister but still remains so young? i forgor

@Mikarin_Enjoyer

Mana remains just as young because of the dem experiences she has undergone.

and no, you'll see at the end of the season that isaac isn't as simple as all that, he's one of the best “villains” written in anime. he's always been a bit of a psychopath by nature, but it's following the massacre of his village that he's become what he is today. You just have to think about it, and for a “villain” I find him really considerate towards Ellen and his dead fellow mages.

@Mikarin_Enjoyer

Mana remains just as young because of the dem experiences she has undergone.

and no, you'll see at the end of the season that isaac isn't as simple as all that, he's one of the best “villains” written in anime. he's always been a bit of a psychopath by nature, but it's following the massacre of his village that he's become what he is today. You just have to think about it, and for a “villain” I find him really considerate towards Ellen and his dead fellow mages.

@StallionXD

You are hyper toxic, please stop polluting this anime's page.

I don't know where to put myself on the fence of this.

Being anime i know they'll usually aim for some happily ever after for everybody ending or something, the villain will get some sort of redemption...

...But honestly a notable part of me wants to see Mio's energy and self burnt up to reverse everything she's done as punishment. Like if it were me in Shido's position, no matter what has happened, you can't just forgive someone because they seemed sweet and innocent or cute or whatever... if someone is clearly a psychopath mass murderer, there is no way to save them but to give them the peace of death than have their life be pure tragedy.

Mio's life should be sacrificed to bring all she's killed back to life, including Sawa, repair the damage, and power given to help/save the other spirits as well, and all their powers dissolved.

Westcott and them should be rendered powerless by this change as well. Ironically he's not as much of a murderer as Mio.

It just irks me a bit when anime plotlines forgive murderers. People should be able to move on and not hold grudges, but murder should never go unanswered. This also strikes me as odd because in japanese law irl, murder often results in capital punishment; you don't get to murder and walk away forgiven.


Westcott isn't even the main villain, he is only the catalyst due to his stupid obsession. Mio is the real villain of this story, and always has been.
Westcott WISHES he was the main villain.


In japan, Date A Live is barely watched compared to the rest of the season (at least for streaming views).

I don't know where to put myself on the fence of this.

Being anime i know they'll usually aim for some happily ever after for everybody ending or something, the villain will get some sort of redemption...

...But honestly a notable part of me wants to see Mio's energy and self burnt up to reverse everything she's done as punishment. Like if it were me in Shido's position, no matter what has happened, you can't just forgive someone because they seemed sweet and innocent or cute or whatever... if someone is clearly a psychopath mass murderer, there is no way to save them but to give them the peace of death than have their life be pure tragedy.

Mio's life should be sacrificed to bring all she's killed back to life, including Sawa, repair the damage, and power given to help/save the other spirits as well, and all their powers dissolved.

Westcott and them should be rendered powerless by this change as well. Ironically he's not as much of a murderer as Mio.

It just irks me a bit when anime plotlines forgive murderers. People should be able to move on and not hold grudges, but murder should never go unanswered. This also strikes me as odd because in japanese law irl, murder often results in capital punishment; you don't get to murder and walk away forgiven.


Westcott isn't even the main villain, he is only the catalyst due to his stupid obsession. Mio is the real villain of this story, and always has been.
Westcott WISHES he was the main villain.


In japan, Date A Live is barely watched compared to the rest of the season (at least for streaming views).

@GenesisAria



As a LN reader I can confidently tell you without spoiling anything that Westcott is indeed the main villain. It is not Mio.

I don't know where to put myself on the fence of this.

Being anime i know they'll usually aim for some happily ever after for everybody ending or something, the villain will get some sort of redemption...

...But honestly a notable part of me wants to see Mio's energy and self burnt up to reverse everything she's done as punishment. Like if it were me in Shido's position, no matter what has happened, you can't just forgive someone because they seemed sweet and innocent or cute or whatever... if someone is clearly a psychopath mass murderer, there is no way to save them but to give them the peace of death than have their life be pure tragedy.

Mio's life should be sacrificed to bring all she's killed back to life, including Sawa, repair the damage, and power given to help/save the other spirits as well, and all their powers dissolved.

Westcott and them should be rendered powerless by this change as well. Ironically he's not as much of a murderer as Mio.

It just irks me a bit when anime plotlines forgive murderers. People should be able to move on and not hold grudges, but murder should never go unanswered. This also strikes me as odd because in japanese law irl, murder often results in capital punishment; you don't get to murder and walk away forgiven.


Westcott isn't even the main villain, he is only the catalyst due to his stupid obsession. Mio is the real villain of this story, and always has been.
Westcott WISHES he was the main villain.


In japan, Date A Live is barely watched compared to the rest of the season (at least for streaming views).

@GenesisAria it was the highest selli g blu ray for over a month. dal v isn't available for streaming on Japan and streaming makes close to no revenue in japan. Tensura which is streaming #1 fans are are calling for the show's cancelation due to how bad it has become. Bandai practically killed slime season 3 for seed freedom.

Most companies don't care about TV shows but dal's production does.

None of the streamed shows are trending in japan. Otherwise they would be smashing blu ray charts. Blu rays r more important. Just ask chainsaw man

@GenesisAria

Can't wait to see you in later episodes Ig

Mio is an alien being. To her, no human life holds much value if it's to bring back the person who justifies her existence. In fact, there is no meaning in using the usual morals to judge her. Her goal is singular. She has no sadism and feels a death given by her is the same as a human being mortal in the first place.

Meanwhile Isaac Westcott...

1. Devised the spirit formula and created her.

2. Manipulated mankind to see spirits as enemies. Re-manipulated Origami to hate them again.

3. Is behind most of the DEM technology, including Realizers. Took over British military and eventually JSDF.

4. Brainwashed Artemisia

5. Tortured Tohka and figured out back in season 2 that Mio is cooking something.

6. Heavily tortured Nia (anime cut that mostly) to invert her. Then Kurumi rescues her. Only for him to succeed inverting her anyway!

7. Mio brings death and chaos? Isaac does that even more nonchalantly and actually enjoys the effects of it.

8. He doesn't have proper fear of his own death. I shouldn't stress on this (maybe spoilery), but he's the type who'll leave lasting damage whether he lives or dies.

9. He brings both a very real and uncanny representation of evil. So intelligent but so childlish. Such a shrewd businessman like nature, but so much frivolity. These are the things that actually make up a villain.

Even if Mio succeeds in reviving Shin and staying happily ever after, it will come at the cost of massive tragedy. The very kind of tragedy that Westcott loves to see.

He might have his goals on the surface, but at the end despair is all he wants. Mio is the one with a singular goal and free of judgement from mortals.

Also, that dude reads the LN too, so he obviously knows what's coming. So I think you two are going to hit an endless clash of perspectives.

Did I say spirits were alien beings? I am talking about Mio. Only Mio. Westcott knows more about spirits anyway than the average one knows about themselves.

She had her learning process. Obviously whatever virtues she has gained was from the time with Shin. You are basically contradicting yourself in thinking she can be judged by human morals after putting her on the pedestal of a God.

Is it difficult to understand Mio wouldn't exist if not for Westcott? Or her motive in general? Mio would stop once she has her goal acquired. Where will Westcott stop? Who will you want to wreak havoc in this franchise? Mio or Westcott?

Maybe asking this inside your mind will make it clear what antagonism is here. And obviously, watching the rest of the series before being too stubborn with your views.

@SpiderMiles3523 it's extremely low on both niconico and abema. i dunno where you are getting your info from.

https://x.com/amastker twitter bot that logs watching status (blue is 24hr chart, black is season total)

@Dinosaurtime_YT You clearly don't understand the nuance of what i was saying. Mio is indeed the primary antagonist, Westcott is the one that tried to be the most evil, that doesn't make him the one that actually committed all the atrocities or constructed any of the hardship.

All Westcott wanted was to use the spirit to rewrite the world, which in itself is an evil plot, but he's a mere peon in the world of gods. The spirits have the power, Westcott does not. Mio killed those people, Westcott did not. Mio's story might be tragic, but she is still a psychopath that thinks nothing of murdering people for her desires.

As soon as Westcott killed Shinji, Mio went on a quest to condemn multiple people to hardship, turning them into spirits, causing devastation, ruining lives, and ultimately killing people, all for the sake of re-creating him. That is an extremely evil maniacal villain motive and plot. That's the kind of shit tyrants do.

Westcott is indeed very bad, and is an antagonist, but he is not the mastermind, he is simply a pathetic man trying to achieve his goals and being a mere nuisance to Mio's motives.

@GenesisAria feel like i am talking to a brick wall. did you even check ami ami top 10 blu ray last month or the month before. I saw 0 konosuba, mushoku tensei in it. Dal was #1 for a whole month. Streams don't mean anything and it doesn't guarantee konosuba will have gundam seed/destiny sales. It is just stupid kids watching but how many are buying discs. Kadokawa has heavily cut the budget for konosuba 3 to put into the overlord movie.

Use your brain, dal lasted 11 years and has an insane amount of merchandise. Majority of those seasonals in that chart have no sales record and will get completely ignored by merchandising companies. How is it the bottom , aka lowest selling. Also check twitter followers. They didn't put it on sites like Netflix or disney+ due to licensing issues. This chart is pure bs. Streaming is a loss leader for production companies since netflix or disney+ do not directly finance these anime.

@GenesisAria

I am assuming nothing. I just know.

What makes you fixated on Westcott's power? What do you know about him? Let's not even go to the fact that you are making numerous haywire assumptions and interpretations after I stress on Westcott creating her. Keep the wild thoughts coming.

Torturing human children, ruining countless lives, conducting civil wars - these are far more damage to humanity at large than Mio has done. And these are real issues.

Yes, obviously he can destroy the world. Or the thing that really matters - mankind. I mean human weapons are enough. The only problem is that it might be too quick to revel in the suffering. The thing is, while Mio doesn't even have that as a goal, he does have - making him the antagonist.

He's no mere catalyst. He's a disease. A disease that is successful once it spreads.

@GenesisAria

Not only did you make up your own assumptions and blab a lot of stuff without knowing the material, you are now throwing the waifu allegations on Mio. No wonder nothing is entering your thick skull. I personally don't feel she either deserves retribution or redemption.

Yes, Westcott did all of that. The anime barely showed it. I didn't even mention him casually killing his own adopting parents which they already showed. Hitler is not even close to this crazed person. Nor is he remotely as powerful or has powerful people like Ellen Mathers under him. That Mio and Westcott are independent entities has been the closest you have been regarding any sort of tangible truth.

I respect you for putting so much thought into it and using religious contexts and Japanese customs as a reference. That's already better than the average anime-only DAL viewer. But it all becomes null and void when you compare Westcott into a cartoon villain. If anything he did was predictable, he couldn't have numerous military companies in the palm of his hand and be a continuous threat to the spirits, Ratatoskr and Asgard Electronics combined. In fact, his own twisted ways have been holding him back from being a greater threat.