Yoru no Kurage wa Oyogenai Episode 1 Discussion

@Seansy Stop calling Doga Kobo an "Oshi no Ko studio". This is not their first or only impressive hit. Also, as far as I can see, Yaku only wrote the script, while the creator of the show was another person.

@YuukiTheFlash It still amazes me how easily people can call something yuri/yuri bait after just one episode. But at least you don't look for it so much that you call the mere fact of "yuri vibes" proof of the show's quality, lol. It’s best to wait for at least the first three to draw such conclusions, not to mention the fact that the shows you’re comparing this to didn’t have any romance at all. I don't think I need to explain to you what yuri bait really is, considering you're a huge Hibike fan.

@RobertBobert Me describing the show in my final statement "All in all, I am looking forward to the remainder of this series, which I would currently describe as a yuri/yuri-bait coming-of-age drama, with a similar setup to Paripi Koumei and having Yorimoi themes/vibes." is separate from my opinion on the quality of the show. Furthermore, I am not simply basing the yuri/yuri bait comment on this one episode, but also opinions/reviews from secondary sources of the second episode as well. The early dynamic between Mahiru and Kano reminds me a lot of the early dynamic between Kumiko/Reina from Euphonium, as well as Takina/Chisato from Lycoris Recoil.

@YuukiTheFlash I don't think my words "but at least you don't" mean that's what you're doing. I literally commend you for not mixing tastes with judging the quality of a show, unlike other people.

I won't talk about how pointless it is to base your impression of a show on other people's impressions. Especially if these are some yuri resources or shipping-friendly sites like ANN. If we are talking about “early dynamics”, then Hibike and LR especially did not have yuri bait, not to mention yuri (though I won't deny that shows like this always have people who see yuri in almost every character interaction in general). Both ships became especially prominent among shippers towards the second half of the show, when the girls became noticeably close and their relationship really took on significance (for example, episode 8 in the case of Hibike). So, I don’t know how this will end in the end, but at the moment it looks more like wishful thinking from meaningful relationships between the girls than any objective content. At least until the first three episodes or even half of the show, all these "yuri/not yuri" conclusions and speculations are simply pointless.

@RobertBobert Agreed we will need to see more. Also I think in a lot of shows they make it very open to interpretation as that is perhaps the best way to market/sell that aspect of the show.

@Seansy Stop calling Doga Kobo an "Oshi no Ko studio". This is not their first or only impressive hit. Also, as far as I can see, Yaku only wrote the script, while the creator of the show was another person.

@YuukiTheFlash It still amazes me how easily people can call something yuri/yuri bait after just one episode. But at least you don't look for it so much that you call the mere fact of "yuri vibes" proof of the show's quality, lol. It’s best to wait for at least the first three to draw such conclusions, not to mention the fact that the shows you’re comparing this to didn’t have any romance at all. I don't think I need to explain to you what yuri bait really is, considering you're a huge Hibike fan.

@RobertBobert I'm simply remarking on the quality of the last 2 series from Doga Kobo that I have watched. Studios can get better or worse over time and at least for the last 2 series from them I've been impressed with their continued quality thus far.

Since Yaku is also credited with series composition, my understanding is that series composition oversees the narrative arc of the entire series, including deciding on the general direction of the plot with the director and other parties. Everything is built out from the narrative established in the script: storyboards, voice acting, even directorial decisions. Since this is an original series that means Yaku likely had the greatest influence on the creative direction of the show in preproduction through production.

If I am misunderstanding the role of series composition and lead script writer please feel free to clarify.

@Seansy I understand perfectly what you want to say. It’s just that, as a long-time fan of the studio, I’m just sad that people first tried to call them the no-name studio that created the hit, and then began to connect their entire career with Oshi no Ko.

You are confusing composition with the work of the producer and director. This means that Yaku turned the original idea and storyboards into a script for the series. This is about composing the content of the episodes based on the script he wrote, and not the entire show as such. The creative direction had already been created for it by the creator of the franchise along with the director, who developed how it would look in animation. Therefore, you always need to distinguish between a person who simply writes a script and a person who wrote an original story.

Unless, in fact, a group of authors, among whom was Yaku, is hiding under the specified name. He could also influence the production of the show with his ideas and comments (including adding something while creating his LN adaptation), such as Ichiro Okuchi during the reworking of the original draft of the G-Witch script. But I have no information about this.

@RobertBobert Ok. I just don't think JELEE is a real person for the creator and is likely just a front for other people, Yaku included. Also, storyboards usually come after a script, at least that is what Crunchyroll wrote in their article explaining how anime is made.

https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/deep-dives/2023/3/21/feature-learn-about-the-building-blocks-of-anime

I have no doubt that a producer or someone part of their team sold the idea of the premise of the show to the other staff they invited to work on this production, including Yaku. Unless JELEE is hiding some real person that created the idea behind the show the person that had the most creative input besides the director is likely Yaku. At least, that is my understanding of the nature of anime original shows compared to adaptations of other works.

@Seansy Depends on what the idea for the show looked like at the original concept level. For example, did it include thoughts on how it should look and be animated or not.

Well, that's obvious. Making anime is a team effort and you can't do it alone, just ordering others around like soldiers. Well, at least unless you're the father of a multi-million dollar original franchise, lmao. And even in this case, the staff still works together as was the case with Princess Principal.

This may require more detailed research, but from the information I found, the main person in the production was the director, who made most of the decisions for the development of the project, and also invited other people to the crew. While Yaku is simply listed as a hired writer. Which most likely means that his job was directly to create the script based on the concept and ideas of the director and creator of the show, whoever they were. And also put it together into a cohesive story with good pacing and consistency. Which is somewhat reminiscent of the creation process of the already mentioned Licorice Recall, where the staff actually adapted the story invented by the creator after a series of joint discussions.

But again, we don't know all the details and Yaku may well have been quite proactive and creative during the writing of the script, I just don't have information about it.

@RobertBobert Ok, I see your point.

I just think there is a massive difference in the amount of credit a writer gets for adapting someone else's work (much like the screenwriter for the play in Oshi No Ko), versus doing all/most of the writing for an original show (Yaku is currently the only writer credited on MAL but I wouldn't be surprised if others are missing to be credited for individual episodes).

Outside of the director, and maybe the sound director given the musical focus of this show, the person next most responsible for the success/failure of the quality of an original anime is generally the lead script/series composition writer. Agree or disagree?

Since I haven't watched any of the series the director has led, and only a couple of series from the sound designer, most of my expectations for this anime were based on Yaku doing the writing and the quality of the studio. Hence my comment on those specific attributes in my original post.

@Seansy There's a slightly different context here. Yaku neither adapted the work nor wrote the whole thing in this case. He wrote the script based on the showrunner's ideas and concepts. This is a completely normal practice, read about the works of Tomino or Watanabe, who are known for their original anime. For example, Cowboy Bebop was written and composed by Keiko Nobumoto, even though the showrunner was the aforementioned Watanabe.

Writing a script for an original anime is not the same as creating a story from scratch simply because it is not an adaptation of an existing work. It all depends on what material the writer had at the time of writing the script and how much creative influence he could have on it. What we don't know, because all we know right now is that the project is helmed by a director and that he hired Yaku to write the script. This is exactly what I want to say. We just don't know how involved he is. Perhaps some interviews or materials in the future can correct this, but at the moment I don't have any.

I think, if you want, then you can easily rely on Yaku’s writing, since as I said, we simply don’t know how involved he was in the process of creating the story and you can assume any level of responsibility. Moreover, the story already echoes a number of Fuuka's arc tropes in the first episode.

@RobertBobert I feel like this should of moved to DMs 5 posts ago we are so far off topic on the episode lol.

This show was the only 1 Gigguk gave a must watch rating to that didn't already have a ton of hype as a sequel, remake, or new popular shounen jump series. The main reasons he gave were related to the studio, writer, and director.



Since I'm not familiar with the director I echoed my high expectations based on my previous experiences from the studio and writer. That's it. The end.

@Seansy Stop calling Doga Kobo an "Oshi no Ko studio". This is not their first or only impressive hit. Also, as far as I can see, Yaku only wrote the script, while the creator of the show was another person.

@YuukiTheFlash It still amazes me how easily people can call something yuri/yuri bait after just one episode. But at least you don't look for it so much that you call the mere fact of "yuri vibes" proof of the show's quality, lol. It’s best to wait for at least the first three to draw such conclusions, not to mention the fact that the shows you’re comparing this to didn’t have any romance at all. I don't think I need to explain to you what yuri bait really is, considering you're a huge Hibike fan.

@RobertBobert



I get this sentiment, even if it's not the intention at all, it seems Doga Kobo is only know for a recent show.

They keep animating great shows, to name some favs of mine, Myself; yourself, YuruYuri, Engaged to the Unidentified, Nozaki-kun, New Game!, Tada-kun, Selection Project.. really good stuff.

Btw this one is the 50th anniversary project of the studio, it's one of the oldest studios out there.

@GakutoDeathGlare



More than Doga Kobo, it's the director Xebec roots.