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Sep 15, 2015 7:04 PM
#751
| This show has absolutely no direction Feels like the creators just tried to pack as much shit in 13 episodes as they possibly could without thinking anything through |
Sep 15, 2015 7:18 PM
#752
| Kumagami....i'm so, so very mad...oh so very mad.....they tourcherd him, AND he dies.....so mad...so messed up....WILL TIME LEAP FIX THIS. PLEASE. JUST WHYYYY. I WATCHED THIS BEFORE BED TOO. NOW I WONT SLEEP. THIS MESSED ME UP. YOU DON'T. DO. THAT...YOU JUST DON'T. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I FEEL ANYMORE...I JUST CAN'T.AND SHUN'S CRYING DIDN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER. I CRIED WITH HIM. JUST. WHY. I LOVED HIM. MY WEEK IS NOW RUINED. NO EPISODES WILL MAKE UP FOR THIS UNLESS HE COMES BACK. WHICH I DOUBT. |
AshuraSanSep 15, 2015 7:23 PM
Sep 15, 2015 7:42 PM
#753
| Cyan Kyou... If you are both going to have a discussion as to asspulls or stuff to do with logic in this anime, then please actually watch the anime (as in .. discuss based on details shown rather than grand theory, it makes things easier to establish) and please stop imprinting what "you would do", onto these characters. Pooh has been show to be a selfless character that tries to act in the best interests of the syndicate... The syndicate is his life and like Shunsuke the syndicate is his life. When you see the episode as to the car and being driven to the hideout... he pulled out his phone ready to call for help, he was about to take some form of action, until the driver said that his family was being held hostage. After that he played a long as he didn't want the hostages to die. He acted selflessly as the character he has been presented with. If you were him you would have escaped and the drivers family would have been killed. Congratulations, you value your own life more than you value the life of overs. This is not what Pooh would do. Shunsuke has unlimited confidence in his brothers abilities with plunder. He truly believes that his brother is the strongest. He was never protecting the safety of his brother by removing the brothers memories of him and his secret ability plunder, rather he was protecting his brothers lifestyle. If he was to leave his brother with such memories then the brother would have to be kept in a facility and held down due to the numerous possible unknown threats that may present themselves (Removing memories provides safety and lifestyle, locking him up provides only safety-- Shunsuke sacrificed his life with his family so that his family may live their life in relative peace) When he tells his brother to go, he doesn't believe they can defeat his brother as his brother has time leap. He thinks they can keep repeating it. He doesn't know how much knowledge the enemies have but it might be assumed that he trusted pooh not to blab. The fact that they knew how to contact him does not necessarily mean pooh had blabbed. He trusts those around him with his life, and like pooh is selfless and loving, he gave up his life to protect his family and other ability users. Ed: although i'd agree from the information given that the terrorists themselves are an asspull (Insufficient information is given about them for a viewer to draw any logical conclusion) hence grandtheory suddenly appears. Also the fight was complete asspull. It is shown that Yuu is a fairly proficient fighters (beating up multiple enemies at the same time.. gangs), that he can aim Collapse with precision (Breaking windows), and that he is a sort of man of action (what's up with that breakdown about pressure, when previously he was only too ready to fight)... Also why if he was originally in a research facility were they incapable of providing him with some sort of communication device. Yuu didn't steal any of the abilities of the other members. What happened to physical immunity etc etc. I'm not exactly sure where he got telekinesis from. I thought his brother was Time travel, sister collapse, and he hadn't plundered any others. Maybe I've missed something. In the fight scenes there were numerous things he could have done, he was capable of doing, and capable of scheming to do. I.E Collapsing the high up walkway that the enemies were on. Also the Girl who attacked him with the knife had her eyes flash just before hitting him... Maybe she has an ability? But it is never explained. (Someone said here about light emitting from the mouth. I must have missed that :/) Also how is Nao still alive.. Pooh couldn't have possibly got above her to save her from the falling objects since Pooh was tied up and she was hanging up. In collapse she must have fell, but poohs is still tied to a chair.... or could he have escaped at any point???? |
TremarlSep 15, 2015 8:35 PM
Sep 15, 2015 9:06 PM
#754
Tremarl said: Cyan Kyou... If you are both going to have a discussion as to asspulls or stuff to do with logic in this anime, then please actually watch the anime (as in .. discuss based on details shown rather than grand theory, it makes things easier to establish) and please stop imprinting what "you would do", onto these characters. Pooh has been show to be a selfless character that tries to act in the best interests of the syndicate... Not quite. What we have said are completely based on the rules established in the anime itself. For a person (Shunsuke) who has supposedly repeated countless time-leaps to get to where they are today (even going as far as to become blind), his chosen course of action is much too stupefied to digest. To the point that it means nothing more than plot convenience. And please, if Pooh is really all that selfless, he wouldn't have allowed himself to be kept hostage, and THEN reveal all information of the syndicate and all his loved ones. He is the one putting all of them at risk. Tomori wouldn't have even been kidnapped and tortured if not for him. Waking up to say "How cruel". Yea like duh, you are essentially the one who put her through all that. He had his phone with him and he wasn't even tied up. Idk, send a SOS or something? If you are going to say that we shouldn't come up with grand theories and stuff, then what are we supposed to even discuss here? "Oh, how saddd... We have no choice but to blindly accept what the author wants to show." Which part of that is a discussion then? Tremarl said: Yeah. What he would do is to go to the enemy's base with ZERO combat ability, get caught, tortured, reveal all classified information, and then act as a hostage to further put everyone at risk. Right? If you were him you would have escaped and the drivers family would have been killed. Congratulations, you value your own life more than you value the life of overs. This is not what Pooh would do. I don't know what's the merit you see in doing that. It's nothing but stupidity to me. Also, if you want to save everyone: KyousukeT said: If you are going to call it a grand theory, then yes, it is. But it's way more logical and it's gonna save everyone without any sacrifices. Happy ending. Easy. Time-leap back to the moment where Furuki drove Kumagami to the enemy's base. Tell Yuu to follow them. Just right before the big macho guy punched Kumagami, use telekinesis/collapse and kill all of them off? Or restrain all of them if you are too soft and don't wanna kill anyone. Interrogate them or use their truth serum. If they refuse to tell- there's still another way. Remember there was a guy who can search through your memories? Tell him to find out where the driver's family is. There. Happy ending. What's so hard? And the villains only found out about Tomori AFTER the villains made Kumagami reveal all the organisation's secrets, including Tomori's house address. If you prevent that, Kumagami and Tomori wouldn't have been kidnapped in the first place. How is the choice made by Pooh the correct one? Being selfless is one thing. Stupidity is another. Even if you talk about how morally right something is, you aren't any hero if you don't save the day. And lastly, if a hero needs to choose between his driver's family or his friends, loved ones, and the world; the choice should be clear. Tremarl said: He previously beat up all the thugs in numerous fights without taking as much as a scratch. Now look at his reactions in the fight with two old geezers with no special powers and a light-emitting loli. He got thrashed badly. No matter how you see it, it's nothing but an asspull.Ed: although i'd agree from the information given that the terrorists themselves are an asspull (Insufficient information is given about them for a viewer to draw any logical conclusion) hence grandtheory suddenly appears. Also the fight was complete asspull. It is shown that Yuu is a fairly proficient fighters (beating up multiple enemies at the same time.. gangs), that he can aim Collapse with precision (Breaking windows), and that he is a sort of man of action (what's up with that breakdown about pressure, when previously he was only too ready to fight)... |
KyousukeTSep 15, 2015 9:10 PM
Sep 15, 2015 9:33 PM
#755
alienrox said: MagicMistic said: The X-Men comparison is very good. Many times the writers of X-Men have claimed that the basic idea of the comic (teenagers suddenly having superpowers, and not because of an accident, but because of biology) is a metaphor of adolescence and minorities. The usual message in X-Men is that difference is not bad, that discrimination is wrong and that people should enjoy their special talents and use them for the good of others. The metaphor seems stronger in Charlotte (the powers actually disappear when they become adults), but the message is exactly the opposite: difference is bad, you should suppress your special talents and blend in, even if it isn’t your fault. Also, we’ll make a vaccine so no one is special again, at least not in Japan. The pro social conformity message in Charlotte is incredibly strong. And disturbing. Social conformity is a pretty universal theme in anime. I've gotten so used to it that I did not even notice how heavy handed the message is here. Hey, I actually never thought of that while watching Charlotte... legit analysis lol, nice. Guess that's yet another possible criticism against Charlotte... |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Sep 15, 2015 9:56 PM
#756
LightBladeNova said: alienrox said: MagicMistic said: The X-Men comparison is very good. Many times the writers of X-Men have claimed that the basic idea of the comic (teenagers suddenly having superpowers, and not because of an accident, but because of biology) is a metaphor of adolescence and minorities. The usual message in X-Men is that difference is not bad, that discrimination is wrong and that people should enjoy their special talents and use them for the good of others. The metaphor seems stronger in Charlotte (the powers actually disappear when they become adults), but the message is exactly the opposite: difference is bad, you should suppress your special talents and blend in, even if it isn’t your fault. Also, we’ll make a vaccine so no one is special again, at least not in Japan. The pro social conformity message in Charlotte is incredibly strong. And disturbing. Social conformity is a pretty universal theme in anime. I've gotten so used to it that I did not even notice how heavy handed the message is here. Hey, I actually never thought of that while watching Charlotte... legit analysis lol, nice. Guess that's yet another possible criticism against Charlotte... makes sense. But i think you guys are looking a bit too deep into things when there barely anything there in the first place, especially when it comes to charloette :p I highly doubt this anime was made with things like social conformity in mind or any other conspiracy like thing. You can also say everything from video games, anime, movies, songs, books and so on have some sort of dark hidden meaning (metaphor/conspiracy) but 95% of the time its just not true, but its still fun to theorize just don't look to deep into things especially not something like charloette, i mean come on now its jun meadea(sp) |
Sep 15, 2015 10:04 PM
#757
davinci12 said: LightBladeNova said: alienrox said: MagicMistic said: The X-Men comparison is very good. Many times the writers of X-Men have claimed that the basic idea of the comic (teenagers suddenly having superpowers, and not because of an accident, but because of biology) is a metaphor of adolescence and minorities. The usual message in X-Men is that difference is not bad, that discrimination is wrong and that people should enjoy their special talents and use them for the good of others. The metaphor seems stronger in Charlotte (the powers actually disappear when they become adults), but the message is exactly the opposite: difference is bad, you should suppress your special talents and blend in, even if it isn’t your fault. Also, we’ll make a vaccine so no one is special again, at least not in Japan. The pro social conformity message in Charlotte is incredibly strong. And disturbing. Social conformity is a pretty universal theme in anime. I've gotten so used to it that I did not even notice how heavy handed the message is here. Hey, I actually never thought of that while watching Charlotte... legit analysis lol, nice. Guess that's yet another possible criticism against Charlotte... makes sense. But i think you guys are looking a bit too deep into things when there barely anything there in the first place, especially when it comes to charloette :p I highly doubt this anime was made with things like social conformity in mind or any other conspiracy like thing. You can also say everything from video games, anime, movies, songs, books and so on have some sort of dark hidden meaning (metaphor/conspiracy) but 95% of the time its just not true, but its still fun to theorize just don't look to deep into things especially not something like charloette, i mean come on now its jun meadea(sp) Yeah, I'm pretty sure a lot of stuff that people analyze in fiction aren't things that the author consciously came up with, meticulously crafted into the story, and/or thought *that* much about, unlike the readers lol, who can write entire essays on little passages or scenes... But the thing is that if Maeda unconsciously inserted this controversial message into the story, that could have consequences... |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Sep 15, 2015 10:27 PM
#758
LightBladeNova said: But the thing is that if Maeda unconsciously inserted this controversial message into the story, that could have consequences... So, let's see, if one Japanese writer's plotline could potentially be interpreted as pro social conformity (if anything, it's anti mainstream superpower fiction conformity), that is going to cause precisely what consequences in a country that has does have a tradition of social conformity? |
Sep 15, 2015 10:57 PM
#759
| I rewatched the whole episode again and I still dont get some things. Everybody calling Yuu dumb and all... Tbh, if I was in his position, pressured like that and all, I'd act almost the same as him. And seriously, when he was confronting those terrorists and got his eye slashed, I'd be in panic and wouldn't know what to do as well. Come on guys. But yeah, Yuu is a pathetic dude lets be honest. |
mao666Sep 17, 2015 2:52 AM
Sep 15, 2015 11:27 PM
#760
| He was in a lot of pain (what with his eye being slashed out, and shoulder stabbed), so his freaking out and accidentally using collapse was completely understandable, I mean, he began to use it just because he was worried about the situation. |
Sep 15, 2015 11:43 PM
#761
darboux said: cyanwasserstoff said: ''They do not know where to search for his family at that point. And if something of the plan from the terrorists does not go like they planed, they will kill the family of the driver.'' Yes thats why i said let the family die,and they can investigate after.Shun has the money/power to do it. Before they could investigate the driver had to get the key for the knowledge of the place his parents were hidden. That means they have to "play the game" of the terrorist or attack them and get the information by force. darboux said: cyanwasserstoff said: ''They discussed about their options in the group and the only possible option for them was sending Yuu. If he would fail he could still use his time leap skill. That was the thought behind the idea.'' You counter it yourself. [quote=cyanwasserstoff ''And if something of the plan from the terrorists does not go like they planed, they will kill the family of the driver.''[/quote] Yeah, but it does not seem that way as they could have a possibility to sense time leap only because it was used. Shunsuke has to change the plan without making anything that would the terrorist suspect something could be wrong. darboux said: Terrorist goal=capture Yuu.Plan fail=family dead.Their plan was never to have Yuu captured. Shunsuke's plan was to let his brother handle everything. darboux said: cyanwasserstoff said: ''I do not know about that one, because it was told they had prepared their plan for a long time to prevent change with the ability of time leap. That means they already got the information from the driver maybe ?'' They had information about shun's time leap not about Yuu's ability i think. Yuu met with Shun and told him he got time leap when he saved ayumi=a couple of days ago.Yet terrorists said they planned about time leap long time ago. You are right. That would make much more sense. darboux said: cyanwasserstoff said: ''It could be possible that the parents will also be taken as hostage by other members of the terrorists. That would mean they have to neutralize them before saving the family. At least the terrorists gave him the key to save his parents. We do not know if there are already other members of that group who will kill the driver anyway.'' I do not understand what you mean.His family is kept someplace obviously guarded by other members of the terrorists.IF yuu saves them then they can secure them and then go on neutralizing them. There are at least two options here : 1) These four are the only terrorists and they have locked up the parents of the driver somewhere. 2) They have additional members who guard the family and will kill them if anything funny would happen. I agree that option two would make much more sense. darboux said: cyanwasserstoff said: ''It was not about trading him with them. He should rescue them and neutralize the terrorist group. If something would go wrong he should use his ability to time leap.'' What i said above mate,their plan =capture Yuu,Yuu fighting them neutralizing them =other members that guard the family kill them. If Yuu gets captured then Nao/kuma could still be held as experiments/or be killed.Also the family of the driver would not be needed so family =dead. And if he use his time leap the terrorists would know as you claimed many times,and still it would not change the fact that Yuu needs to be captured to save the dude's family? The only way to save the family would be that the driver would make it on time with the key in his hands. That Yuu could beat them up. The terrorist only would find out about time leap if something does not go as they planned. We do not know which factors they have planned, but they did it way before this event. darboux said: cyanwasserstoff said: ''I think the main problem here is that Shunsuke was dependent on the ability of time leap to much. He thought that everything will go the right way and if not just time leap would do the trick again.'' The problem is that he didnt think about it much.Which should have been expected by someone with his experience. It was not the most clever way to try to handle this situation. darboux said: Anyway i stop here,what happened happened hope for at least good last episodes)). potatohun said: I rewatched the whole episode again, still dont get some things. Everybody calling yuu dumb and all.tbh if i was in his position, pressured like that and all, id act almost the same as him. And srsly, when he was confronting those terrorists and got his eye slashed id be in panic and i wouldnt knoe what to do as well. Come on guys. But yea, yuu is a pathetic dude lets be honest Sorry , but I agree on your statement 100%. The humans does not react the best way if they are in a panic reaction. The plan of Shunsuke to let only Yuu go to the hideout was not the best decision he made. . |
CyanwasserstoffSep 15, 2015 11:59 PM
Sep 15, 2015 11:46 PM
#762
Katsuruka said: LightBladeNova said: But the thing is that if Maeda unconsciously inserted this controversial message into the story, that could have consequences... So, let's see, if one Japanese writer's plotline could potentially be interpreted as pro social conformity (if anything, it's anti mainstream superpower fiction conformity), that is going to cause precisely what consequences in a country that has does have a tradition of social conformity? Lol sorry, I wasn't thinking of consequences for the entire country, I meant like possibly negatively affecting the opinions of some viewers. |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Sep 15, 2015 11:51 PM
#763
potatohun said: I rewatched the whole episode again, still dont get some things. Everybody calling yuu dumb and all.tbh if i was in his position, pressured like that and all, id act almost the same as him. And srsly, when he was confronting those terrorists and got his eye slashed id be in panic and i wouldnt knoe what to do as well. Come on guys. But yea, yuu is a pathetic dude lets be honest The main thing I have issue with was how Yuu focused on the two men above on the platform instead of the girl right next to him who just slashed his eye a second ago lol... |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Sep 16, 2015 3:21 AM
#765
Exi0n said: good pointt !!OR the easiest way to solve the problem is that when the driver got the key and address yuu could check the key for the address, time leap back and save the family. Notice how much time he had to do that? This episode is very contrived and poorly written overall. |
Sep 16, 2015 3:34 AM
#766
TragicRomance said: 👍Torture. Some more torture. Likewise, plotholes. Some more plotholes. I want to shut off my brain while watching it, but the atmosphere it has been building so far, doesn't let me. It's not that the episode was bad. It's just that the bad things about it were laughter-inducing. Why did Tomori not turn invisible when that macho guy came in her apartment? I mean, at least put up a fight! The terrorists were stupid. They hired only one special ability user to take on a guy who has plenty more. More importantly, they did it in a building KNOWING that the said person has the collapse ability. Why not do such a thing in a more open area/ property? At least the risk of dying would have been far less. So yeah, stupid people doing not so stupid things in stupid ways. Meh. I do like how Yu isn't your typical MC. He has his insecurities, and he frankly considers himself a bad guy. When confronted, he becomes anxious to the point of using the collapse ability, but on cooling down, thinks of Nao and quickly resolves to save her... But wasn't that just him reassuring himself? That's how I saw it (I don't mean it in a bad way, of-course) Kumagawa torture was ruthless. I felt sorry for him. But at the same time, I feel like he could call the rest of the group when he was in the car. He could at least send some kind of code, but no. I still wish Yu used his abilities better. I mean he has plenty of them and he had plenty of chances to do so. Why bother possessing when you are going to see if they are armed or not? I would freaking dropped down one of them (preferably the english speaking man) Of-course, I would feel his pain but one down is better than what we had. Besides, it would have given him a higher ground. I guess, it can be said that it all passed on way to quickly, also considering he has no combat training and was afraid. Oh well. Hmm now that I write it down, it seems like there's more good than bad. Well, I hope the next two episodes are good. There's still hope. |
Sep 16, 2015 6:13 AM
#767
Tremarl said: Cyan Kyou... If you are both going to have a discussion as to asspulls or stuff to do with logic in this anime, then please actually watch the anime (as in .. discuss based on details shown rather than grand theory, it makes things easier to establish) and please stop imprinting what "you would do", onto these characters. As KyousukeT already confirmed was our discussion based on how the series tried to introduce their characters. You would not get the fact that Pooh did not try to escape the situation. He should have known that this action would create even more trouble. He has no fighting abilities at all. That means he would be very defenseless against the group of terrorists. The risk that the terrorists would have some kind of truth serum would be much higher then the risk of the lifes of the parents from the driver. Tremarl said: Pooh has been show to be a selfless character that tries to act in the best interests of the syndicate... The syndicate is his life and like Shunsuke the syndicate is his life. When you see the episode as to the car and being driven to the hideout... he pulled out his phone ready to call for help, he was about to take some form of action, until the driver said that his family was being held hostage. After that he played a long as he didn't want the hostages to die. He acted selflessly as the character he has been presented with. That was not a selfless action at all. He did put everything on risk. The organisation, his friends and alle the other skill user. He should have known that they would try everything to get the information from him. Tremarl said: If you were him you would have escaped and the drivers family would have been killed. Congratulations, you value your own life more than you value the life of overs. This is not what Pooh would do. You have to make a choice which risk you would choose. The risk to lose the lives of the parents from the driver or the risk to betray the organisation, your friends and the safe place to hide. Tremarl said: Shunsuke has unlimited confidence in his brothers abilities with plunder. He truly believes that his brother is the strongest. He was never protecting the safety of his brother by removing the brothers memories of him and his secret ability plunder, rather he was protecting his brothers lifestyle. If he was to leave his brother with such memories then the brother would have to be kept in a facility and held down due to the numerous possible unknown threats that may present themselves (Removing memories provides safety and lifestyle, locking him up provides only safety-- Shunsuke sacrificed his life with his family so that his family may live their life in relative peace) When he tells his brother to go, he doesn't believe they can defeat his brother as his brother has time leap. He thinks they can keep repeating it. I agree that Shunsuke did trust the ability to time leap more then everything else. It is understandable, because that was his superior ability to make everything alright. He also trust his brother very much and thats why he did made this mistake. Tremarl said: He doesn't know how much knowledge the enemies have but it might be assumed that he trusted pooh not to blab. The fact that they knew how to contact him does not necessarily mean pooh had blabbed. He trusts those around him with his life, and like pooh is selfless and loving, he gave up his life to protect his family and other ability users. You have to rewatch the episode so it seems. The terrorist did tell him that Pooh did start to talk and that he had lost all his teeth and his nails. And that they know about the ability to time leap all along. Thats why they made a plan where they easily could find out any strange change of the situation. Tremarl said: Ed: although i'd agree from the information given that the terrorists themselves are an asspull (Insufficient information is given about them for a viewer to draw any logical conclusion) hence grandtheory suddenly appears. This is a point you can fight over with. It seems at least out of nowhere. Tremarl said: Also the fight was complete asspull. It is shown that Yuu is a fairly proficient fighters (beating up multiple enemies at the same time.. gangs), that he can aim Collapse with precision (Breaking windows), and that he is a sort of man of action (what's up with that breakdown about pressure, when previously he was only too ready to fight)... KyousukeY=T said: He previously beat up all the thugs in numerous fights without taking as much as a scratch. Now look at his reactions in the fight with two old geezers with no special powers and a light-emitting loli. He got thrashed badly. No matter how you see it, it's nothing but an asspull. He was being hit by a surprise attack from a light reflection user. His eye was injured and his ability to time leap lost. Thats why he was in a panic reaction. People do not react the best way if they have a panic attack. Tremarl said: Also why if he was originally in a research facility were they incapable of providing him with some sort of communication device. Yuu didn't steal any of the abilities of the other members. What happened to physical immunity etc etc. He has to use that ability of physical immunity. It is only a temporary ability and very exhausting. He was hit by a surprise attack. Tremarl said: I'm not exactly sure where he got telekinesis from. I thought his brother was Time travel, sister collapse, and he hadn't plundered any others. Maybe I've missed something. He had plunder many other abilities before the event with Ayumi. The student council did make their own hunt about ability user. He did not know that he would steal their abilities. He also had the ability to fligh. He had stolen it from the guy of the picture in the news. Tremarl said: In the fight scenes there were numerous things he could have done, he was capable of doing, and capable of scheming to do. I.E Collapsing the high up walkway that the enemies were on. Yeah, but humans do not react the best way in a panic situation. Tremarl said: Also the Girl who attacked him with the knife had her eyes flash just before hitting him... Maybe she has an ability? But it is never explained. (Someone said here about light emitting from the mouth. I must have missed that :/) She could reflect the light with her mouth. Thats how she could make that surprise attack. Tremarl said: Also how is Nao still alive.. Pooh couldn't have possibly got above her to save her from the falling objects since Pooh was tied up and she was hanging up. In collapse she must have fell, but poohs is still tied to a chair.... or could he have escaped at any point???? During the collapse Nao did fall to the ground very close to him because the wall did break. He did not have to move very much to protect her in that situation. |
Sep 16, 2015 7:05 AM
#768
| This was "disgustingly" bad not even the heroic death of Kumagami saved it At least the comet Charlotte was a nice explaination though not original |
Sep 16, 2015 7:11 AM
#769
LightBladeNova said: potatohun said: I rewatched the whole episode again, still dont get some things. Everybody calling yuu dumb and all.tbh if i was in his position, pressured like that and all, id act almost the same as him. And srsly, when he was confronting those terrorists and got his eye slashed id be in panic and i wouldnt knoe what to do as well. Come on guys. But yea, yuu is a pathetic dude lets be honest The main thing I have issue with was how Yuu focused on the two men above on the platform instead of the girl right next to him who just slashed his eye a second ago lol... I have to admit, that was a dumb move. Lol. |
Sep 16, 2015 7:22 AM
#770
SmashTheOni said: And as usual, the people with negative thoughts are much more vocal. Polls and scores don't lie. Dunno what all these haters are trying to prove, they're amusing to watch |
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Sep 16, 2015 12:53 PM
#771
| Tbh I wasn't satisfied with this episode. The story doesn't seem well thought, and it feels rushed. I'm not saying it's bad, but it feels like something is missing. Two episodes left, let's see how they'll wrap it up. |
Sep 16, 2015 5:22 PM
#772
Sep 16, 2015 6:13 PM
#773
| Regardless of the way it was presented, there has to be a reason why the episode was presented. If we say it didn’t seem to move the story along – terrorist organization comes out of nowhere and is just as quickly put down – then it must be something else. To get rid of Kumagami? Because Yuu will need the Power that the loli had? To demonstrate that there are Bad Guys out there even if the scientists seem to be on our side now? How about to get control of the story away from Shunsuke and the Gang of Four, and back to Yuu and the SC? Really. Since they appeared, Shun and the gang have been running this show. Now: With the death of Kumagami, Shun is a broken man. Shun is shown not to be such a great leader. Shun said the only safe places were those he controls – turns out, not so much. Tomori said there was only one person she trusts, and it was Shun. Do you think she still trusts him? As much? The other three Shun supporters essentially humiliated and badgered Yuu, then arrived late to the party. The people Yuu trusts are Tomori, Takajou, and Yusa/Misa. They've fought the fight together. Ayumi is safe. Yuu knows a lot more about what's going on. This gives the MC the chance to become his own man again, instead of huddling for the next three years in an underground cave. He is now in a position to run the show, rather than having Shun run him. The whole dynamic has changed. Just sayin’ |
aeroperfSep 16, 2015 6:49 PM
Sep 16, 2015 7:29 PM
#774
| Yuu's reaction to Shunske when he explains the plans felt really out of character. Maybe it was just the pacing, perhaps. Too tired to feel the feels, or perhaps wasn't enough character development. The events in this episode could've been worse. A timeline where everyone lives is impossible, unless key does their magic. I do wonder what Nao was striped to her underwears. Even it it was to show bruises, it could've been portrayed better. If anything, if she was conscious when they hung her, it would be a means to humiliate hey, which I could defiantly see happening. |
Sep 17, 2015 12:43 AM
#775
UsaraDark said: I do wonder what Nao was striped to her underwears. Even it it was to show bruises, it could've been portrayed better. If anything, if she was conscious when they hung her, it would be a means to humiliate hey, which I could defiantly see happening. It is the way who terrorist in key humiliate the caught person. It also happened in other key works. |
Sep 17, 2015 1:31 AM
#776
| Can't be bothered to go through over 16 pages of discussion to read pros and cons other than it has been a long, a very, very long time since a single anime episode p!ssed me off this much. Everyone just acted like a bunch of f'n idiots without any rhyme or reason and without smartly using their own f'n powers that they haved used to solve issues so far. Seriously, for years and years and multiple time dimensions or whatever they had failures but always managed to improve their results, but now here comes one lame foreign terrorist (ohhh he speaks English, must be one of them evil Americans again), and they forget everything they can do. Man, hard to believe that this a product from the same guy that wrote Clannad, Kanon and Air. What a clusterfvck. |
Sep 17, 2015 4:37 AM
#777
Psyren_Rose said: The plan was such a failure at start, what was the point of going alone? I must've been happy because Nao is alive, but poor Pooh. Summary of episode: [spoiler]Don't look, seriously Lame as hell OMG. I just saw this. And i am laughing omg im sorry |
mao666Sep 17, 2015 5:12 AM
Sep 17, 2015 5:02 AM
#778
Reizo_Da_Firenze said: i dont get it tbh someone explain this to me |
Sep 17, 2015 11:58 AM
#779
| Water guys death was not tear-inducing. It's usually tear-inducing when a character dies for me. But not this time. Others said it is because there was no build-up. It's probably true. Can he use plunder with one eye? |
Sep 17, 2015 1:11 PM
#780
MasterQuest said: Can he use plunder with one eye? Judging from the opening, only one working eye would be necessary for using plunder. |
Sep 17, 2015 1:15 PM
#781
| Lol,I like it,give me more blood. |
Sep 17, 2015 3:29 PM
#782
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: kira-97 said: Exi0n said: OR the easiest way to solve the problem is that when the driver got the key and address yuu could check the key for the address, time leap back and save the family. Notice how much time he had to do that? This episode is very contrived and poorly written overall. When Yuu and driver stood side by side after the driver had picked up the key. The driver apologizes the Yuu, instead of have talked the address he read in the key. Anyway, if Yuu used his time leap to go back in the past to save the driver's family, the terrorists would know that he used his time leap and things wouldn't been better. Firstly because Yuu doesn't have the Key to save the family and also because Yuu will risk his life even more by going there. The terrorists surely have thought about that and prepared an ambush given that they know about the time-leap capacity and they are performing their plan since years. This anime is not poorly written. |
Sep 17, 2015 7:53 PM
#783
Sep 17, 2015 8:27 PM
#784
| I know this is off topic with charlotte and all, but I find it extremely difficult to keep up with threads like these. With 800+ responses, it would be cool if MAL at the very least notified you if someone quotes you. Being able to thumbs up/thumbs down comments and getting notified by that would be cool too, and having the options to group the comments based on rating, or newest, etc just like youtube. This is such a mess right now lmao |
| One dream that will probably never come true: A full anime adaptation of Kimi no Iru Machi or Suzuka anime reboot. "It Happens." |
Sep 17, 2015 10:10 PM
#785
| So, pretty sure this series is going to end with everyone dying. I, personally, like happy go lucky anime. But shit man this series is like Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni had a baby with Air. So, when they killed off Ayumi I was livid. It all didn't make sense in the random happy lets-save-people-from-themselves episodes. Then we get some random not really ever touched on before murder attempt from random girl who has jealousy issues. WHICH REALLY NEVER COMES UP AGAIN! So he saved Ayumi and WOOO!! Here you go. We're sorry, we were a little terrified our ratings would drop terribly so we brought her back to give you happy feels. THEN THEY MAKE THIS EPISODE! Which is random as hell. It's overpowered with emotions and just random. Like a hobo throwing popsicle sticks at you random. It makes me feel like they really base the episodes on ratings and not story line. Feel Pooh's torture. Feel Nao's bruises. So, after Ayumi died Yu had pretty good reaction times to being under attack by normals. In this case he's now suddenly THE BIGGEST WUSSY ANYWHERE! So when you had no sister complex.. No you know what? It's like when he time leapt he wasn't the one that time traveled. So who he was before he saved Ayumi doesn't matter nor plays a part. WHY WOULD YOU SEND HIM ALONE!? Shove someone in a trunk to help out. I mean, I spent a good deal Cinemasin Skipping this episode to avoid the plot-holed drama they were bound to throw at me. I don't even know why I'm still watching. I was excited that Ayumi was back but I should've known they were gonna pull some dumb BS. Seriously though, why would you send him alone. He who suddenly became a WUSS without conviction. UGHH and then the next episode is going to be just like the After-Ayumi-Died episode. We're never gonna know who those guys were or why they had information or why they wanted it. IT IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME DAMN FORMULA WHEN AYUMI DIED! Ugh it's GOD AWFUL STORY WRITING! And so you get stuck on their drama filled nonsense by the deaths and not that the deaths made NO-SENSE-WHAT-SO-EVER. That they suddenly introduce random characters into the story only for a brief moment before they do something awful. -slams head on the desk repeatedly- You know, I bet that Furuki's family was dead. I mean, these are awful people. Also, couldn't Furuki be a double agent? "Hey, so, there's a big freaking muscley guy, a tiny looking agile chick... man" I mean, they got him to tell enough about Pooh and Pooh enough to tell about all the other ability children. Makes. No. Sense. So everyone dies. Just so you know. Maybe Yusa and her stalker live and they'll stare off into the sky at the end and talk about how they got to live and they were sad to have lost their comrades. That they have hope everything will get better. I'll die laughing if that's how it ends. |
TwinslieSep 17, 2015 10:15 PM
Sep 17, 2015 11:41 PM
#786
| I don't think I've had an anime piss me off in so many ways in just one episode for a long time. That's my warning. There's going to be a lot of F-Bombs, sorry. Why the fuck did Pooh not just jump out of the car? The hostage was Furuki's family. He said he hid the fact that he had one so he wouldn't be kicked out. Cool, dude. You want to help. But holy fuck you are a fucking moron. You're going to fucking risk the whole plan and organization JUST so you can fucking drive the important people around? Are you fucking kidding me? I honestly wish his family had just died instead. Leave the few to save the many. But what's P.A. Works without this illogical B.S? Random stripping of Nao was 100000% unneeded. They probably wanted to show how bad the situation was with the bruises and whatnot, but judging how just one fucking punched OHKO-ed her, we didn't need anything else. Bad guys were stupid to use a big ass factory as the main area if they know of Yuu's abilities. Ninja girl they hired is equally as stupid, if not more. You know the collapse ability actives when Yuu is in a panic. So he starts to attack your bosses (which is also kinda stupid, as they are powerless humans and there's a ninja girl with abilities (maybe?) attacking you) with his telekinesis. SO YOU FUCKING STAB HIM AGAIN?! In those fucking situations you goddamn knock the person unconscious. Why in the fucking hell would you goddamn stab him again to fucking panic him even more to the point that collapse activates? Even the fucking bosses were saying that it was unneeded. I seriously fucking wished that those two goons died in that collapse. One is buried under fucking steel beams and is still alive. The Pooh over there has a few steal rods, NOT ATTACHED TO ANYTHING BTW, somehow impale him. Fucking hell P.A. You guys piss me the fuck off with your goddamn anime logic. Fuck anime. Anime was a mistake. |
Friends are there to lend a hand when you can’t do something on your own. It’s not one person doing all the work protecting everyone, we help each other when in need. That’s what friends are for. |
Sep 17, 2015 11:47 PM
#787
Gsimp said: Can't be bothered to go through over 16 pages of discussion to read pros and cons other than it has been a long, a very, very long time since a single anime episode p!ssed me off this much. AthrunZ29 said: I don't think I've had an anime piss me off in so many ways in just one episode for a long time. That's my warning. There's going to be a lot of F-Bombs, sorry. The animosity is strong here... not that I can't sympathize, of course. |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Sep 18, 2015 4:57 AM
#788
SayakaMagica said: An episode full of despair. Take my heart and break it with a sledgehammer. Oh god. No kidding... still would like to see how the last few eps pan out.. |
Sep 18, 2015 10:51 AM
#789
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: new images episodio 12 Uggh why even bring yusa and taka back at this point, they're nothing but crappy comic relief character who are conveniently never around when things actually happen. Also looks like theres gunna be some more cringey comedy. Oh well i cant really expect anything better now i guess |
Sep 18, 2015 11:40 AM
#790
davinci12 said: Uggh why even bring yusa and taka back at this point, they're nothing but crappy comic relief character who are conveniently never around when things actually happen. Also looks like theres gunna be some more cringey comedy. Oh well i cant really expect anything better now i guess I think that maybe their function is to be cheerfully silly and a a source of stability in a world where things have been going to hell in a handbasket and where the future looks uncertain and possibly grim right now. |
Sep 18, 2015 2:04 PM
#791
Sep 18, 2015 7:05 PM
#792
Sep 18, 2015 7:46 PM
#793
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: SoManyRainbows said: I think I'm going to stop reading the comments here. My expectations are really low now. Why? What happened? What do you think happened lol? There's been harsh criticism towards this show in like every other comment lately. Fans would probably get depressed reading all of them... |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Sep 18, 2015 8:45 PM
#794
Katsuruka said: davinci12 said: Uggh why even bring yusa and taka back at this point, they're nothing but crappy comic relief character who are conveniently never around when things actually happen. Also looks like theres gunna be some more cringey comedy. Oh well i cant really expect anything better now i guess I think that maybe their function is to be cheerfully silly and a a source of stability in a world where things have been going to hell in a handbasket and where the future looks uncertain and possibly grim right now. I highly fing doubt that with the way this anime has been doing things. Ive lost all hope in this anime. |
davinci12Sep 18, 2015 8:49 PM
Sep 18, 2015 8:52 PM
#795
LightBladeNova said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: SoManyRainbows said: I think I'm going to stop reading the comments here. My expectations are really low now. Why? What happened? What do you think happened lol? There's been harsh criticism towards this show in like every other comment lately. Fans would probably get depressed reading all of them... Yes, that's what is happening. There are so many people that criticizes this show in a negative way that my expectations fall a lot. But I'm not a fan. I think. Yuu_vi_Britannia said: On twitter the criticism are worse. MAL is still at a tolerable level. Lol, so if I see the comments on Twitter I'm gonna drop this anime. XD |
Sep 18, 2015 9:55 PM
#796
SoManyRainbows said: LightBladeNova said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: SoManyRainbows said: I think I'm going to stop reading the comments here. My expectations are really low now. Why? What happened? What do you think happened lol? There's been harsh criticism towards this show in like every other comment lately. Fans would probably get depressed reading all of them... Yes, that's what is happening. There are so many people that criticizes this show in a negative way that my expectations fall a lot. But I'm not a fan. I think. Yuu_vi_Britannia said: On twitter the criticism are worse. MAL is still at a tolerable level. Lol, so if I see the comments on Twitter I'm gonna drop this anime. XD The question is: what do YOU want to do? Do you want to find out what happens next? For your own sake, do whatever's right for YOU based on what you feel about the anime itself rather than on some of the comments posted here. For what it's worth, I think the main point of episode 11 - apart from giving us insight into what "Charlotte" actually is and what its relevance to the plotline is - was to provide a turning point where Shunsuke failed and couldn't put things right and where Yuu ended up in a position where he couldn't just Time Leap to fix things, the way Shunsuke had always done. So, apart from dealing with the consequences of what happened in episode 11, Yuu also needs to find a new strategy to save those he cares about (+ saving ability users in general). |
Sep 18, 2015 10:07 PM
#797
| I mean, there are only 2 episodes left, with the second-to-last one coming out tomorrow, so might as well finish it... I just personally don't like dropping anime that I've already invested a good amount of time into. But it's up to you in the end. |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Sep 18, 2015 10:31 PM
#798
LightBladeNova said: I mean, there are only 2 episodes left, with the second-to-last one coming out tomorrow, so might as well finish it... I just personally don't like dropping anime that I've already invested a good amount of time into. But it's up to you in the end. Ive held on this long gunna see it through to dispite being very disappointed. Only 40 mins left. |
Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM
#799
SoManyRainbows said: I think I'm going to stop reading the comments here. My expectations are really low now. You should not base your own enjoyment on the commentary from someone else. What kind of feelings do you get from the series if you do not count the comments that are made from the series ? People are different. People have different tastes and it is impossible to satisfy any kind of expectation from the audience. The other point are the people who hate popular anime series in general. These try to find the stupidest things to somehow explain their hate. You should find out your own way of enjoyment independent from any commentary. |
Sep 19, 2015 4:03 AM
#800
Cyanwasserstoff said: SoManyRainbows said: I think I'm going to stop reading the comments here. My expectations are really low now. You should not base your own enjoyment on the commentary from someone else. What kind of feelings do you get from the series if you do not count the comments that are made from the series ? People are different. People have different tastes and it is impossible to satisfy any kind of expectation from the audience. The other point are the people who hate popular anime series in general. These try to find the stupidest things to somehow explain their hate. You should find out your own way of enjoyment independent from any commentary. That's honestly easier said than done. It's easy to tell someone not to let other people's commentary affect his/her enjoyment of a show. But when there are so many people criticizing the show, and actually giving legitimate reasoning (please don't assume people are hating on Charlotte for dumb reasons or just for the heck of it), it's hard to not be affected by that, because no matter what your enjoyment may tell you, it cannot easily deny all of the complaints. Sure, you could just try and ignore the criticism, but if you want to talk about Charlotte with people and have discussion, then you will have to face the negativity. You have every right to enjoy Charlotte, of course, but I'm just saying that it's difficult to feel unaffected by all of the criticism, unless you don't read the forums at all. |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
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