Why there is always so much fanservice?

Jul 12, 2023 9:14 PM

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Jackson1333 said:

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I see alot of posters saying that it's just fan service and to get over it, but these young women are depicted as 15 year olds. If only teenagers watched this, there is very little problem in my mind, however, as I'm sure, most western viewers are adults. I don't think i need to spell out the implications. I'm not saying if an adult enjoys this show (i certainly do) there's something wrong with them, yet there is a ton of food for thought if your okay with young teenagers being sexualized.

There's nothing interesting about the sexualization of a fictional cartoon that looks like a god damn alien compared to a literal human being.

Whereas that is mostly true, the danger lies in giving permission to see young teens as people who are universally oggled and making it fine to oggle them in turn. The age of the characters in this anime matters to the plot, so how are the viewers supposed to divorce the declared age of these girls from their sexualization. If these were university aged girls, fine, who cares, but since these are people who are not of age, it's just ------- creepy. It leads to the question of why, and my best guess is to generate profit by sexualizing teens for an adult audience. Beyond ------ up.

It's interesting, because I find in a lot of cases, you could take that same high school age character, not change her appearance at all, slap her in collage and say she's older, and it would be just as believable. Think about my dress up darling, you could literally change nothing about the show, and just have the characters say they were in their first year of collage instead of high school, and nothing changes. Anime characters ages/appearances aren't nearly as linked in anime as they are in the real world. One character design can be used for anything from a 14yo to a 24yo.

It's like all those highschool dramas on tv, where they have 20-30yo actors who are playing highschool kids, even portraying them engaging in sexual acts, even though the actors are over 18, the characters they are portraying are often time 15-17yo. We tend to overlook the "sexualization" of these underage characters, simple because the actors aren't underage.

I mostly agree, but even when it's a live action show there are no panty crotch shots or the focus of the camera being chest level while the character is talking. At most there is an inferrance of sex, but little else. I don't find the idea that teenagers having sex is sexualizing very convincing. If those chest level shots are there and i can basically see the actors labia, yeah . . . not really okay at all.

While I do agree that most of these shows don't tend to have random panty shots with the camera zoomed in to max, I strongly disagree with the idea that "At most there is an inference of sex" As there are shows that feature full nudity of female characters that are supposed to be highschoolers, stepping out of a lake after skinny dipping, while the camera pans up her body, and full-on sex scenes acted out. It's more than just inference, these characters are explicitly having sex. But again, no one bats an eye, because well, the actors are of a legal age.

No you're definitely right in alot of cases cases. There is actually a very well reviewed film called The New World where the character was, i think, fourteen and played by a underaged teenager, where, if i remember correctly, she was shown topless at least once. But instances like that are almost always decried publicly and criticized in the media. That film is also, like, 20 years old. It doesn't really matter where this stuff comes from, though. Once it's out there, those instances, especially if they are only meant to titillate, should at least be honestly discussed with all respect due to what these things imply.

It's definitely Different when the characters are portrayed by actual underage kids, I saw a documentary a while ago about a show that featured an 11/12 yo that lived in a brothel, that featured her fully nude (the actor being the same age as the character) the whole premise was about her trying to get away from the place, but hooking up with an adult photographer (who previously won her virginity at an auction at the bordello) It was a pretty fucked up movie, and naturally got a lot of backlash in modern days (especially since the girl, still 12/13 went on to do a playboy photoshoot) But again, that was an older movie, I doubt you would see anything like that today.

And while most people today would decry that movie, they again have no problem with legal age actors portraying underage characters engaging in sexual situations. So it's always more about the real world people, not the characters they portray that is the issue. But that often times doesn't carry over to anime, despite the fact that anime characters also aren't actually underage teens, and are more often then not voiced by actors who are of legal age (though I have seen an exception of kid playing young character in a super ecchi show, which just made it that much more uncomfortable after finding out.)

Ya, i know that film, Pretty Baby, i watched it with some friends while in middle school, terrible movie (Brook Sheilds looked terrified throughout). And u are right about adults playing teenagers and simulating sex, and the needless nudity. It's just lazy pandering

Jul 12, 2023 9:18 PM

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More fanservice means more people of their targeted audience would consume it. It does get annoying from time to time, though lol.

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Jul 12, 2023 9:47 PM

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Jackson1333 said:

It's definitely Different when the characters are portrayed by actual underage kids, I saw a documentary a while ago about a show that featured an 11/12 yo that lived in a brothel, that featured her fully nude (the actor being the same age as the character) the whole premise was about her trying to get away from the place, but hooking up with an adult photographer (who previously won her virginity at an auction at the bordello) It was a pretty fucked up movie, and naturally got a lot of backlash in modern days (especially since the girl, still 12/13 went on to do a playboy photoshoot) But again, that was an older movie, I doubt you would see anything like that today.

It's even worse than that, she had already done a photoshoot years before that movie for a Playboy affiliated magazine. Her mom was trash.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Jul 12, 2023 10:00 PM

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Oh God. So many tourists here. I really miss 00s.
Fanservice was always a big part of anime. Stop watching anime if you can't accept this fact.

And I'd recommend seeking for help if you can't separate fiction from reality btw.

If NAMBLA put out an animated how to would you say the same thing? Questioning this stuff doesn't make me delusional, I just find it depressing that very few ppl come at this with the cognizance that it deserves. Deny that this discussion shouldn't be had at all all you want, but these things should be taken seriously

Jul 12, 2023 10:03 PM

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And I'm not a tourist. Im an anime fan, just like you. I have just never had a reason to create an account before today. My name is kendal, btw

Jul 12, 2023 10:35 PM

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there's hardly any fan-service in that show if you ask me.

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Jul 12, 2023 10:36 PM

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It's even worse than that, she had already done a photoshoot years before that movie for a Playboy affiliated magazine. Her mom was trash.

I literally mentioned that, thought I think I said after, instead of before, I don't remember when it was tbh.

You said later she did Playboy, which she did, as an adult, but I'm talking about when she was like 10 years old.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Jul 12, 2023 10:40 PM

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You said later she did Playboy, which she did, as an adult, but I'm talking about when she was like 10 years old.

Nah, I said when she was still the same age, I just assumed it was after the movie, not before.

Edit: here is my exact quote

Jackson1333 said:
(especially since the girl, still 12/13 went on to do a playboy photoshoot)

Well, you didn't, but I think we're on the same page now.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Jul 12, 2023 10:53 PM

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For quick cash grab cause they know everyone, especially youngsters going through puberty who they mainly target are horny as hell all the time.

Jul 12, 2023 11:04 PM

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It attracts virgin guys.. like us

Jul 12, 2023 11:08 PM

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Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and clean up my own posts before a mod has to, as we've gone way off topic, and it feels very inappropriate to be arguing about who was right over the exact details of something as messed up as that.

Jul 13, 2023 10:11 PM

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This thread already served its purpose. It got bumped and got derailed. Not worth cleaning either.

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