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| Jesus Christ, that opening. W h a t, well that explains a lot, it's funny how it was right in our faces though last episode, Kiruko is a man inside. Though does he mean that in a trans way or that he's literally a different person and his consciousness ended up in Kiruko's body, based on what we saw so far, it seems to be the latter, the question is how the fuck. Also, what the fuck is that school/facility/heaven, those kids are superhuman and very horny. Ah didn't see that coming though, the Inn Lady was actually protecting the monster, not the other way around. What I can see coming from a mile away though, was Inn Lady dying. RIP to Maru though, your love ain't gonna bear fruit. Really looking forward to the next episode. |
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| I really hope that gender bender backstory does pay off, at the moment it seems not really needed for thte character development, but it's only two eps in so we will see |
SO_Nu said: Helltaker said: So Kiruko is trans well that should make things interesting... Huh! , how is she trans ?, she said she or he has the body of a girl and mind of a boy , how is this trans ? there's obviously body swapping going here . i just can't comprehend how you guys go to that conclusion. Exactly. Episode discussions are so often filled with misrepresentations, and I came to this one particularly because I knew I would find this. A post apocalyptic setting where monsters roam the night, rechargeable batteries pistols shoot lasers and some people have supernatural strength, but somehow a girl who looks at herself in the mirror like she's looking at someone else, and was involved in a mysterious incident where a boy died is trans. Confirmation bias. Everything has to be based on modern western ideology. But somehow people don't realize that the show, by making children that have been raised in a walled, dystopian, experimental environment have homosexual tendencies, is basically saying: "the world must have gone to shit, and you have to be really messed up, in a really bad, dark place to do that kind of thing". It's Shinsekai Yori all over again. |
| Yeah there's no way that that lady wasn't going to die right there |
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SO_Nu said: Helltaker said: So Kiruko is trans well that should make things interesting... Huh! , how is she trans ?, she said she or he has the body of a girl and mind of a boy , how is this trans ? there's obviously body swapping going here . i just can't comprehend how you guys go to that conclusion. That's exactly what I was wondering. Kiruko literally said my body is a woman's while my brain is a man's but they somehow get to conclusion that she is trans. |
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| Another amazing episode shit this is best show this season so far and think it’s going to stay that way hopefully it’s so unexpected and I love it |
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| Things sped up in a weird way at the end it was hard to follow. One second their in tomato heaven next it quickly cuts to them on a big boat, which I find strange that it's still running. I have a feeling this show is going to rely strongly on edgy sexual moments and making the viewer potentially uncomfortable with some of it going forward. The weird vibes with the kids at least that's the impression I get. |
D-A-W said: Unexpected trans king. Also, the animation of that old man smoking went way too hard for just an insert shot. I'm really digging this show! Also the OP slaps, and it slaps hard. I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated SHE'S NOT TRANS! |
Isaacx321 said: billybub said: Because of their biases, in a world with monsters and battery powered ray guns they assume he's trans instead of assuming he's like that because of a supernatural or science fiction reason(which would make more sense because of the setting and world). Just don't bother with that kind of people. I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated SHE'S NOT TRANS! Agreed. Though it's annoying to see a certain crowd trying to hijack one of your favorite manga's characters. What's really funny is I promise you these same people will be on here bitching up a storm in a few weeks lol |
| Loving this anime's feel, the atmosphere, story so far and it's varied characters, of course Kiruko's line "My body is a woman, but my mind is a man" was a good twist, she's more than likely a clone, considering that same-face woman in that picture...but we'll see. |
| Just an avid anime watcher of 20 years, not much else I could say about myself (that I don't want to reveal, of course, just ask if you wanna know more!) "So...look up, face forward, toward your chosen horizon and just...walk on." - Noah, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 |
| Really liked the pilot, action was good in episode 2 but yeah i don't think that's for me dropped. |
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| This anime is so good. The visuals, the animation, the characters and the plot. I look forward to seeing more of it I love it! |
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billybub said: Isaacx321 said: Because of their biases, in a world with monsters and battery powered ray guns they assume he's trans instead of assuming he's like that because of a supernatural or science fiction reason(which would make more sense because of the setting and world). Just don't bother with that kind of people. Agreed. Though it's annoying to see a certain crowd trying to hijack one of your favorite manga's characters. What's really funny is I promise you these same people will be on here bitching up a storm in a few weeks lol It's not "bias" and there's no "hijack", it's just the natural rational expectation. That is the reason why the revelation about the brain transplant is a twist. Also, you're just talking like this because you know what the character actually said. Everyone else that didn't read the manga or seen some comment here in this forum pointing that the dialogue was mistranslated will, naturally, think the same, that the character explained he has gender dysphoria which, by the way, is something not uncommon and natural. |
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PaninaManina said: billybub said: Agreed. Though it's annoying to see a certain crowd trying to hijack one of your favorite manga's characters. What's really funny is I promise you these same people will be on here bitching up a storm in a few weeks lol It's not "bias" and there's no "hijack", it's just the natural rational expectation. That is the reason why the revelation about the brain transplant is a twist. Also, you're just talking like this because you know what the character actually said. Everyone else that didn't read the manga or seen some comment here in this forum pointing that the dialogue was mistranslated will, naturally, think the same, that the character explained he has gender dysphoria which, by the way, is something not uncommon and natural. Body swapping has been a staple of anime and manga for years. If the 1st think you think of in a Sci-fi show when you see it is "that character is trans" you most certainly do have a bias. I haven't seen who the localizeris yet but it wouldn't suprise me one bit if this line was purposely mistranslated. It's fine though, all the tourists celebrating this will be on here bitching up a storm about "problematic" shit in a few weeks |
FleX_eRRoR said: why's nobody talking about the ninjutsu the girl used like its nothing. it took a whole day for Naruto to learn it.  Also later other guy fell from pretty high but didn't died or even injured... definitely there is plot twist here. |
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.108/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.195/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.110/? - weekly) | Machi and Oboro (Ch.18/? - biweekly) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.80/? - biweekly) - Monochrome Days (Ch.10/? - biweekly) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
GTRaijin said: SO_Nu said: Huh! , how is she trans ?, she said she or he has the body of a girl and mind of a boy , how is this trans ? there's obviously body swapping going here . i just can't comprehend how you guys go to that conclusion. That's exactly what I was wondering. Kiruko literally said my body is a woman's while my brain is a man's but they somehow get to conclusion that she is trans. @SO_Nu @Treyv0n Having mind/brain of different gender than being born is literally definition of being trans, also someone having female body and mind of a man is also trans. There are trans man (born woman) and trans woman (born man)... I know in media and pop culture trans woman are more recognisable/used but trans man also exists, this is not that hard to understand. billybub said: PaninaManina said: It's not "bias" and there's no "hijack", it's just the natural rational expectation. That is the reason why the revelation about the brain transplant is a twist. Also, you're just talking like this because you know what the character actually said. Everyone else that didn't read the manga or seen some comment here in this forum pointing that the dialogue was mistranslated will, naturally, think the same, that the character explained he has gender dysphoria which, by the way, is something not uncommon and natural. Body swapping has been a staple of anime and manga for years. If the 1st think you think of in a Sci-fi show when you see it is "that character is trans" you most certainly do have a bias. I haven't seen who the localizeris yet but it wouldn't suprise me one bit if this line was purposely mistranslated. It's fine though, all the tourists celebrating this will be on here bitching up a storm about "problematic" shit in a few weeks like @PaninaManina said, this is natural conclusion based on information that this anime give us so far, this anime didn't showed indication where brain transplant/consciousness transfer is possible in this world, especially in post apocalyptic world where access to HRT and surgeries is limited or impossible (presumably outside of "Tomato Haven"/Facility). "Body swapping has been a staple of anime and manga for years." Power ups also has been a staple of anime and manga for years, so this mean we should expect one of MCs go Super saiyan? |
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.108/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.195/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.110/? - weekly) | Machi and Oboro (Ch.18/? - biweekly) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.80/? - biweekly) - Monochrome Days (Ch.10/? - biweekly) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
| Wow the fanservice in this anime is big lmao. I like the fighting scenes though, those ones impressed me. I love how the anime puts those black bars to let it look like an action film or something like that. R.I.P. to the manager who was running the place, she got killed by her own son i guess. At least the monster got killed because of Maru's skills. Maru & Kiruko paddling hard because they're afraid that crocodiles would get them, but they made it out safely. The farm where they stumbled upon looks nice enough tho, which is nice. At least they both got some rest and to eat, they decided its best to return to Tokyo by boat. That confession though from Maru, that came out of nowhere and the dude even went in it lol. Kiruko thinks that she's a man in a woman's body, which is totally fine. Interesting to see where they land next. |
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| well the beginning of this episode was quite chaotic LMAOO somehow that reveal at the end didn't surprise me. well lets hope we get some kind of backstory or explanation in the coming episodes & that they don't just leave it at this |
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| Least than average episode, we are learning more about the motives from each character though, apparently male MC is a quasi-rapists, disgusting... OP is weak and the comedy isn't close to be funny, let's see how this keeps developing, 4.1/10. |
Nieznajomy43 said: GTRaijin said: That's exactly what I was wondering. Kiruko literally said my body is a woman's while my brain is a man's but they somehow get to conclusion that she is trans. @SO_Nu @Treyv0n Having mind/brain of different gender than being born is literally definition of being trans, also someone having female body and mind of a man is also trans. There are trans man (born woman) and trans woman (born man)... I know in media and pop culture trans woman are more recognisable/used but trans man also exists, this is not that hard to understand. billybub said: Body swapping has been a staple of anime and manga for years. If the 1st think you think of in a Sci-fi show when you see it is "that character is trans" you most certainly do have a bias. I haven't seen who the localizeris yet but it wouldn't suprise me one bit if this line was purposely mistranslated. It's fine though, all the tourists celebrating this will be on here bitching up a storm about "problematic" shit in a few weeks like @PaninaManina said, this is natural conclusion based on information that this anime give us so far, this anime didn't showed indication where brain transplant/consciousness transfer is possible in this world, especially in post apocalyptic world where access to HRT and surgeries is limited or impossible (presumably outside of "Tomato Haven"/Facility). "Body swapping has been a staple of anime and manga for years." Power ups also has been a staple of anime and manga for years, so this mean we should expect one of MCs go Super saiyan? It's only a "natural conclusion" if you're biased towards having a character be represented as trans. B. Total non sequitur |
Nieznajomy43 said: GTRaijin said: That's exactly what I was wondering. Kiruko literally said my body is a woman's while my brain is a man's but they somehow get to conclusion that she is trans. @SO_Nu @Treyv0n Having mind/brain of different gender than being born is literally definition of being trans, also someone having female body and mind of a man is also trans. There are trans man (born woman) and trans woman (born man)... I know in media and pop culture trans woman are more recognisable/used but trans man also exists, this is not that hard to understand. billybub said: Body swapping has been a staple of anime and manga for years. If the 1st think you think of in a Sci-fi show when you see it is "that character is trans" you most certainly do have a bias. I haven't seen who the localizeris yet but it wouldn't suprise me one bit if this line was purposely mistranslated. It's fine though, all the tourists celebrating this will be on here bitching up a storm about "problematic" shit in a few weeks like @PaninaManina said, this is natural conclusion based on information that this anime give us so far, this anime didn't showed indication where brain transplant/consciousness transfer is possible in this world, especially in post apocalyptic world where access to HRT and surgeries is limited or impossible (presumably outside of "Tomato Haven"/Facility). "Body swapping has been a staple of anime and manga for years." Power ups also has been a staple of anime and manga for years, so this mean we should expect one of MCs go Super saiyan? This entire discussion reveals how poorly I understand trans people. My first explanation about Kiruko was about mind swapping, though I didn't express it exactly like that. |
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ZenielDanaku said: This entire discussion reveals how poorly I understand trans people. My first explanation about Kiruko was about mind swapping, though I didn't express it exactly like that. Honestly it is fine/good conclusion and looking at people who already spoiled without using spoiler tag is true. Also personally I have nothing against your interpretation. I think it's good, I like it. What annoys me is people automatically dismissing more "grounded" explanation which is Kiruko being trans... and spoiling plot twists because of that. |
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.108/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.195/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.110/? - weekly) | Machi and Oboro (Ch.18/? - biweekly) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.80/? - biweekly) - Monochrome Days (Ch.10/? - biweekly) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
Zero_Two_0_2_ said: so is she a lesbian or a trans? Neither of those. |
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| Considering Kiruko has killed his brother in a race, like the man of the village has said, it wouldn't be crazy to say that (with all the supernatural stuff that happens in this anime such as the girl that went full ninja at the start of the episode and the monster) maybe her brother's soul has been absorbed in some way by her or something like that. As many people said, she is not trans so this is one of the posible theories that I have. Lmao, it reminds me of Inazuma Eleven |
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| Dang I thought this show couldn't get better than first episode but i was wrong 2 episodes in and I already think this is my favourite show this season. (and it's not even close) A lot of people think Jigokuraku gonna be the best show but 2 episodes in I feel that show direction/story is pretty generic. Love the animation, direction, atmosphere, visual, characters and story so much. First battle they already not shy away from the brutality of the monsters and killing. Also the visual, I really love how cinematic the whole show feels, like watching an anime movie. The show use a lot of visual telling to present its world instead of just telling you straight away what's going on with the world and its setting. In a sense this show reminds me a lot about Made in Abyss. Also the two main casts are so likable. Didn't expect Maru to be this straight forward and confess as early as episode 2. And then that trans twist in the end lolz PS: Also Disney can play this? XD It's so strange Disney steals the whole right to air this despite their target audience. deg said: also if Kiruko is a man at heart then that means they are lusting over her girl body lol hence the attempt at kissing the mirror in episode 1 Now it all make sense! Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
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| Whatta great episode! 2 main plot lines progressing well and will definitely collide at some future episodes. Kiruko is what lol :D so mind swapping or just lesbian? |
| uh, putting aside the fact this thread has devolved into a walking spoiler landmine, this episode was amazing just like the first one. the OP is gorgeous, animation beautiful as always, mystery and intrigue being set up super well. I actually didn't make the connection between Maru and Tokio looking the same until this episode - I swear they just added Maru's eyelashes in this ep??? maybe I wasn't paying attention. people have made comparisons between the institution parts and Yakusoku no Neverland, but personally the post-apocalypse exploration parts remind me of a more interesting/competent (and of course way more sci-fi oriented) Nihon Chinbotsu 2020. just in terms of finding ways to traverse a hostile environment, scavenging for food... plus the introduction of the kiss felt like it kind of came out of nowhere, but that's small potatoes I think. I'm SUPER invested in this one. |
luxapocalypse said: Tbh this show reminds me of Made in Abyss first season. uh, putting aside the fact this thread has devolved into a walking spoiler landmine, this episode was amazing just like the first one. the OP is gorgeous, animation beautiful as always, mystery and intrigue being set up super well. I actually didn't make the connection between Maru and Tokio looking the same until this episode - I swear they just added Maru's eyelashes in this ep??? maybe I wasn't paying attention. people have made comparisons between the institution parts and Yakusoku no Neverland, but personally the post-apocalypse exploration parts remind me of a more interesting/competent (and of course way more sci-fi oriented) Nihon Chinbotsu 2020. just in terms of finding ways to traverse a hostile environment, scavenging for food... plus the introduction of the kiss felt like it kind of came out of nowhere, but that's small potatoes I think. I'm SUPER invested in this one. |
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