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maxime1007 said: I'd like to consider it an uncontrollable ability (or as they call in rpg language, "always on"). We really don't have an idea about what Imagine Breaker is. I will agree with you that it's not magic.Imagine breaker is not an ability and I don't beleive it is magic as well. Unless they go into more detail in the later manga chapters/light novels, all we can do is speculate. |
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sbyrstall said: maxime1007 said: I'd like to consider it an uncontrollable ability (or as they call in rpg language, "always on"). We really don't have an idea about what Imagine Breaker is. I will agree with you that it's not magic.Imagine breaker is not an ability and I don't beleive it is magic as well. Unless they go into more detail in the later manga chapters/light novels, all we can do is speculate. And well, considering that he's a Level 0, we ought to be able to rule out the possibility that it's an esper power. |
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sbyrstall said: I would say Imagine Breaker is the perfection of Science with Magic but that remains to be proven. It is at least logical because it can stop all science made ability and all magic made ability therefore it must combine both disciplines....yes?maxime1007 said: I'd like to consider it an uncontrollable ability (or as they call in rpg language, "always on"). We really don't have an idea about what Imagine Breaker is. I will agree with you that it's not magic.Imagine breaker is not an ability and I don't beleive it is magic as well. Unless they go into more detail in the later manga chapters/light novels, all we can do is speculate. Oosran said: lol z wut...Touma is not a esper for sure. sbyrstall said: maxime1007 said: I'd like to consider it an uncontrollable ability (or as they call in rpg language, "always on"). We really don't have an idea about what Imagine Breaker is. I will agree with you that it's not magic.Imagine breaker is not an ability and I don't beleive it is magic as well. Unless they go into more detail in the later manga chapters/light novels, all we can do is speculate. And well, considering that he's a Level 0, we ought to be able to rule out the possibility that it's an esper power. |
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francismeunier said: I really wouldn't go as far as calling it the "perfection of Science and Magic", since all it does is nullify them both, it does absolutely nothing else.sbyrstall said: I would say Imagine Breaker is the perfection of Science with Magic but that remains to be proven. It is at least logical because it can stop all science made ability and all magic made ability therefore it must combine both disciplines....yes?maxime1007 said: I'd like to consider it an uncontrollable ability (or as they call in rpg language, "always on"). We really don't have an idea about what Imagine Breaker is. I will agree with you that it's not magic.Imagine breaker is not an ability and I don't beleive it is magic as well. Unless they go into more detail in the later manga chapters/light novels, all we can do is speculate. |
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Oosran said: I really wouldn't go as far as calling it the "perfection of Science and Magic", since all it does is nullify them both, it does absolutely nothing else. Proof? As far as we know Touma may just not know how to properly use Imagine breaker. Nothing is lost in this world, force can be converted to energy or whatever you want but nothing is lost, with manipulation Touma could be able to use this energy to do something (maybe with his other hand?) If it just totaly destroy matter then it's something even stronger because it means he has a power similar to the void or a space manipulation power. And yeah we can rule out the possibility that Touma is an esper because he get level 0 in the test, I doubt it is magic but it has more chance being it than esper power. Like Francis said I think too that the Imagine breaker is the perfect balance of Magic and esper power. |
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maxime1007 said: Ain't got no proof no : > What I do know though, is that I think we're looking too deeply into this.Oosran said: Proof? As far as we know Touma may just not know how to properly use Imagine breaker. Nothing is lost in this world, force can be converted to energy or whatever you want but nothing is lost, with manipulation Touma could be able to use this energy to do something (maybe with his other hand?) If it just totaly destroy matter then it's something even stronger because it means he has a power similar to the void or a space manipulation power.I really wouldn't go as far as calling it the "perfection of Science and Magic", since all it does is nullify them both, it does absolutely nothing else. And yeah we can rule out the possibility that Touma is an esper because he get level 0 in the test, I doubt it is magic but it has more chance being it than esper power. Like Francis said I think too that the Imagine breaker is the perfect balance of Magic and esper power. And then there's my unwillingness to agree with francis ^^; |
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toratiger said: really good ending to the arc! the fight scene was done really well with the OP song in the background. and look! these guys are in the episode! cant wait til its their turn to shine haha I did a double take when I saw that I can't wait for the next arc |
toratiger said: maxime1007 said: Also level 0 don't get an ability, ever, no matter how much they train. No matter how weak an ability is it can get to level 5 someday, a level 0 won't EVER get to level 1. Imagine breaker is not an ability and I don't beleive it is magic as well. sry but thats wrong, all lvl0s have the potential of gaining an ability, thats what academy city is made for, to develop psychic powers. the Power Curriculum Program is made to artificially awaken their powers. and imagine breaker is DEFINITELY an ability. No sorry, academy city awaken people's esper power but they already have them before. That is the reason why Saten was so exited to go to academy city since she could become an esper, there after doing the scan test they found out that she was a level 0, someone with no esper power and impossibility to have one. In fact what you said make totaly not sense since level 0 are the one who developed magic because they were longing for power, jealous of the ability user. Only level 0 can use magic, a magic user can't ever use esper power and vice versa, if you would be an esper at level 0 it would totaly contradict it meaning that the whole creation of magic would have no sense since people would only go awaken/train their current ability. The thing is that you need not to make the assumption that level 0 = everyone without esper power. This is false, a lot of people did not pass the scan to awaken their ability, it don't mean that they don't have one. There's a possibility you can be an esper unless the test scan tell you that you are a level 0. toratiger said: francismeunier said: lol z wut...Touma is not a esper for sure. actually it has been mentioned serveral times in INDEX(anime/manga) that Touma is an esper, and that imagine breaker is an esp ability. the reason why hes a lvl0 is because the academy wasnt able to detect his ability, i mean, how do you detect an ability that cancels out other abilities right? Source? Imagine breaker is still a wonder even in the novel as far as I know. If you pay attention every ability follow the law of the world (nothing is lost, everything transform into another matter) and it even follow the law of physic if you take into an account that you can really use this ability. Imagine breaker is an exception to that, it's power is theorically impossible, it use a power similar to space manipulation / void, something really different from an esper power. Hence a reason why it is called the hand of god. |
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| Great episode, new ED...isn't that different lol Next episode looks good :D :D :D |
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| Well I'm against wiki but this sound fair enough, it still make some contradiction but again it's not the first time it happened in the to aru verse. For the second part I'm trying to say that Touma's power is not an esper power because it work differently than an esper power. Esper power control matters, it can't destroy something because it use the law of matter conversion of Antoine lavoisier "Rien ne se crée, tout se transforme" (Nothing is created, everything is being transformed). Touma's Imagine breaker is the ability to destroy matter rather than controling it, it is something above esper power since it do not obey one of the world's rule hence why it is called the god's hand since it has power only god should have. Touma may have been called an esper but he isn't one, at least not until he reach level 1 (which I doubt he will anyway since he already got a godly ability), to people from the mage side his power may appear as esper power, even Misaka beleive it is an esper power but it isn't one. If imagine breaker would be an ability then it wouldn't get so much attention also every ability is unique and we heard of the imagine breaker like something who already existed before Touma, making another contradiction there. |
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| I hope now we can start connecting this to Index besides the occasional Touma appearance. Are we really doing a swimsuit episode next, really? And I disagree Railgun makes an awesome climax song. |
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| people need to stop bring out Touma... this is RAILGUN. yeah, the battle was a bit short and cliche...but still ok episode. |
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toratiger said: wakka9ca said: people need to stop bring out Touma... this is RAILGUN. i know it's RAILGUN, but you do realize that Touma is part of the cast? he might not be a main character but he IS a character in RAILGUN. so why can't people have discussions about him? For the love of God, there you have awesome BiriBiri being all badass and staff and still every episode someone starts a conversation about Touma. From now on i declare everyone that's not female and can't forget Touma while we have amazing BiriBiri on screen, officially gay. Just cut it out people. |
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Monad said: your message really hurt.~.~From now on i declare everyone that's not female and can't forget Touma while we have amazing BiriBiri on screen, officially gay Kleeyook said: you can hate it,pls don't kill it...I hate Kuroko so much I want to conquer the world and demand killing all yuri. :( This topic is getting more and more aggressive... |
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francismeunier said: Tensai-Kun said: Not gonna really comment on this ep, I liked it from the first sec till the very end. n yea, that for you & me ED song was really great, gonna look it up, to add it to my mp3 songs soon =) I can help you find it......message me on my profile. xP Thnx for the offer, already found it (after 15mins of my previous post, now I have the whole whole Dear my friend album) tho I'd be sure to stop by later xPP. francismeunier said: Tensai-Kun said: n hooray! yatta! yatta! yatta! imouto arc and Accelerator from Misaka's point of view (perspective). oh wait, that means ... MOAR TOUMA??! xPP that'd be great =) Yes! That's my friend! Needs more Touma with Misaka! Yes! Epic answer. I'm 100% on this ^.* francismeunier said: Tensai-Kun said: 5/5 ep! No! 10/5.....5/5 is not enough it is ove 100% more for a 200% better than anything before. Oh, sorry. 7/5. I'm gonna save the real high scores for the epic eps in next arc =). gloryfy said: Tensai-Kun said: Who say enel is low,his laugh is high and full of pride.(hard to compare who will win in battle....but in term of pride,i think enel won) How about Luffy vs Misaka?looooool. my Misaka would win for sure! she's not low like that Enel, but gotta say good comparison xPP Electricity vs. Electricity lool that'd be great if it'd ever get a chance to happen ( but it wouldn't, ever. >_<") oh, that falls under presonal opinions xP (No offense to anyone). Hmm, I'd say he'd win only in term arrogancy ... He even tried to erase Skypiea out of existance... o_O! about Luffy vs. Misaka, I really have no comments. I don't really know about Luffy's current powers (as I've only caught up till 260s eps and have a long way ahead) but even tho lightning can't affect rubber, Misaka still have her blade-like thing from taking the magnetism of the land (not really sure what it is, or how to describe it :o). Luffy vs. Misaka is one of the fights that the result of can't ever be anticipate. but I guess I'd go with Luffy winning, since Railgun is a bit more realistic in terms humanity and getting beaten up(I hate to say it, but since in One Piece, Luffy survived being burned, frozen and various other things, this 90% would go to Luffy's side >_<") but still I'm keeping 10% for Misaka =) n hey, chill out, folks. no need for all this aggression or calling ppl gay >_>. and yea, Touma IS on RAILGUN staff, no one can ever deny that. and who said we'd only go ranting "Where's my Touma?" without wanting biribiri? Biriibiri is one of my most loved chars, but nothing can be compared to Touma & her being together in anything, imho xPP. |
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Monad said: toratiger said: wakka9ca said: people need to stop bring out Touma... this is RAILGUN. i know it's RAILGUN, but you do realize that Touma is part of the cast? he might not be a main character but he IS a character in RAILGUN. so why can't people have discussions about him? For the love of God, there you have awesome BiriBiri being all badass and staff and still every episode someone starts a conversation about Touma. From now on i declare everyone that's not female and can't forget Touma while we have amazing BiriBiri on screen, officially gay. Just cut it out people. ROFL! I like both Biribiri and Touma very much and no people are not gay for liking male characters. toratiger said: Exactly! He was shown in Railgun therefore he is part of it. wakka9ca said: people need to stop bring out Touma... this is RAILGUN. i know it's RAILGUN, but you do realize that Touma is part of the cast? he might not be a main character but he IS a character in RAILGUN. so why can't people have discussions about him? maxime1007 said: Tres Bien! Well said and it what I meant. Because Touma's ability is not one of elemental nature to espers he can't be considered as a esper yet. Well I'm against wiki but this sound fair enough, it still make some contradiction but again it's not the first time it happened in the to aru verse. For the second part I'm trying to say that Touma's power is not an esper power because it work differently than an esper power. Esper power control matters, it can't destroy something because it use the law of matter conversion of Antoine lavoisier "Rien ne se crée, tout se transforme" (Nothing is created, everything is being transformed). Touma's Imagine breaker is the ability to destroy matter rather than controling it, it is something above esper power since it do not obey one of the world's rule hence why it is called the god's hand since it has power only god should have. Touma may have been called an esper but he isn't one, at least not until he reach level 1 (which I doubt he will anyway since he already got a godly ability), to people from the mage side his power may appear as esper power, even Misaka beleive it is an esper power but it isn't one. If imagine breaker would be an ability then it wouldn't get so much attention also every ability is unique and we heard of the imagine breaker like something who already existed before Touma, making another contradiction there. |
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maxime1007 said: Well I'm against wiki but this sound fair enough, it still make some contradiction but again it's not the first time it happened in the to aru verse. For the second part I'm trying to say that Touma's power is not an esper power because it work differently than an esper power. Esper power control matters, it can't destroy something because it use the law of matter conversion of Antoine lavoisier "Rien ne se crée, tout se transforme" (Nothing is created, everything is being transformed). Touma's Imagine breaker is the ability to destroy matter rather than controling it, it is something above esper power since it do not obey one of the world's rule hence why it is called the god's hand since it has power only god should have. Touma may have been called an esper but he isn't one, at least not until he reach level 1 (which I doubt he will anyway since he already got a godly ability), to people from the mage side his power may appear as esper power, even Misaka beleive it is an esper power but it isn't one. If imagine breaker would be an ability then it wouldn't get so much attention also every ability is unique and we heard of the imagine breaker like something who already existed before Touma, making another contradiction there. toratiger said: i don't know where you got the whole Antoine lavoisier thing from as it was never mentioned in the anime/manga(unless my memorys failing me). but if its not from the series, then i believe you're simply over analyzing things by trying to bring real life logic into a fictional world. touma imo is definitely an ESPER no matter how you look at it, unless of course you have solid proof from the anime/manga/novels. like i mentioned earlier, the reason he is level 0 is simply because the academy wasn't able to detect his ability(Imagine Breaker), which is totally understandable because his right hand doesn't do anything special until it comes in contact with something supernatural. @maxime1007 and toratiger Is Touma an Esper or not? I help clarify things for both you. Touma is neither an Esper or a Magician. He's just a normal human with a unique power. Even Aleister Crowley, the ruler of Academy City & a former Master Wizard himself, considers Touma a normal human and not an Esper or a Magician. |
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MrTerrorist said: maxime1007 said: Well I'm against wiki but this sound fair enough, it still make some contradiction but again it's not the first time it happened in the to aru verse. For the second part I'm trying to say that Touma's power is not an esper power because it work differently than an esper power. Esper power control matters, it can't destroy something because it use the law of matter conversion of Antoine lavoisier "Rien ne se crée, tout se transforme" (Nothing is created, everything is being transformed). Touma's Imagine breaker is the ability to destroy matter rather than controling it, it is something above esper power since it do not obey one of the world's rule hence why it is called the god's hand since it has power only god should have. Touma may have been called an esper but he isn't one, at least not until he reach level 1 (which I doubt he will anyway since he already got a godly ability), to people from the mage side his power may appear as esper power, even Misaka beleive it is an esper power but it isn't one. If imagine breaker would be an ability then it wouldn't get so much attention also every ability is unique and we heard of the imagine breaker like something who already existed before Touma, making another contradiction there. toratiger said: i don't know where you got the whole Antoine lavoisier thing from as it was never mentioned in the anime/manga(unless my memorys failing me). but if its not from the series, then i believe you're simply over analyzing things by trying to bring real life logic into a fictional world. touma imo is definitely an ESPER no matter how you look at it, unless of course you have solid proof from the anime/manga/novels. like i mentioned earlier, the reason he is level 0 is simply because the academy wasn't able to detect his ability(Imagine Breaker), which is totally understandable because his right hand doesn't do anything special until it comes in contact with something supernatural. @maxime1007 and toratiger Is Touma an Esper or not? I help clarify things for both you. Touma is neither an Esper or a Magician. He's just a normal human with a unique power. Even Aleister Crowley, the ruler of Academy City & a former Master Wizard himself, considers Touma a normal human and not an Esper or a Magician. E-X-A-C-T-L-Y What I was thinking! Now you confirmed it Touma is considered as a human! |
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francismeunier said: MrTerrorist said: E-X-A-C-T-L-Y What I was thinking! Now you confirmed it Touma is considered as a human!maxime1007 said: Well I'm against wiki but this sound fair enough, it still make some contradiction but again it's not the first time it happened in the to aru verse. For the second part I'm trying to say that Touma's power is not an esper power because it work differently than an esper power. Esper power control matters, it can't destroy something because it use the law of matter conversion of Antoine lavoisier "Rien ne se crée, tout se transforme" (Nothing is created, everything is being transformed). Touma's Imagine breaker is the ability to destroy matter rather than controling it, it is something above esper power since it do not obey one of the world's rule hence why it is called the god's hand since it has power only god should have. Touma may have been called an esper but he isn't one, at least not until he reach level 1 (which I doubt he will anyway since he already got a godly ability), to people from the mage side his power may appear as esper power, even Misaka beleive it is an esper power but it isn't one. If imagine breaker would be an ability then it wouldn't get so much attention also every ability is unique and we heard of the imagine breaker like something who already existed before Touma, making another contradiction there. toratiger said: @maxime1007 and toratigeri don't know where you got the whole Antoine lavoisier thing from as it was never mentioned in the anime/manga(unless my memorys failing me). but if its not from the series, then i believe you're simply over analyzing things by trying to bring real life logic into a fictional world. touma imo is definitely an ESPER no matter how you look at it, unless of course you have solid proof from the anime/manga/novels. like i mentioned earlier, the reason he is level 0 is simply because the academy wasn't able to detect his ability(Imagine Breaker), which is totally understandable because his right hand doesn't do anything special until it comes in contact with something supernatural. Is Touma an Esper or not? I help clarify things for both you. Touma is neither an Esper or a Magician. He's just a normal human with a unique power. Even Aleister Crowley, the ruler of Academy City & a former Master Wizard himself, considers Touma a normal human and not an Esper or a Magician. Aleister Crowley lol xD (Btw aren't espers and magicians also human? Or are they some kind of different beings that aren't considered human anymore? ( ´・‿-)~) |
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| I haven't seen Image yet, but so far I'm liking Railgun. Tying to finish Railgun before starting Image, since I think Image might "spoil the anime". And yes, this episode almost made me think it was the finale, with the song and all. |
lonewolf80 said: I haven't seen Image yet, but so far I'm liking Railgun. Tying to finish Railgun before starting Image, since I think Image might "spoil the anime". "Image"? You sure you're not talking about "Index"? |
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| I thought it was a pretty nice episode. The animation was great. I can't wait for a fight that's equal for Biribiri. XD |
| Mmm, I liked it. <3 |
| this was great it makes me want to rescore this series to a 10 but i dont think that would be good |
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desolato said: Best ep so far. It's finally getting interesting with all the action scenes. GIVE ME ACCELERATOR NOW. |
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| Uiharu and Misaka save the day, and all is well, but the Tree Diagram's going to be destroyed by Index in a couple of days. There were some heartwarming moments, too. They didn't have the scene where Misaka's "batteries literally ran dry." Ah well. Great episode anyway, though. |
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| This was actually a episode that is suppose to give you lots of goosebumps but i feel that this kind of scene is overused and feel abit disgusted. |
| Ladies and gentlemen... That is the true strength of Railgun, Misaka Mikoto. |
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| AAAHHHH SHIT MISAKA IS SO POWERFIUL FUKC DAMN NIGGA SHE OWNED THAT FETUS MONSTER OH DAMN SHIT OH MY BALLS FUKC SHE USED THE RAILKGUN I MELTED WHILE SHE WS USING IT OHH MY DANM SON UNDRESSING WOMAN WAS LIKE SUPRISED SINCE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME SHE SAW A LEVEL FIVE USE ITS POWERS AAH GAWDDAMN MISAKA. I would assume the first arc just ended. I'm hoping for the second one to be more Misaka-intense. More than this one. I heard a rumor that Misaka's going to unleash her full power in the future arc. Oh I'm really hyped to see that. Okay so Misaka is powerful but still no match for Touma. Oh and Touma's a level zero too. Saten and him should meet sometimes and talk about how powerful level zeros can be. |
| That.Railgun.Was.Freaking.Epic. |
| That was climatic. I'm glad we're only halfway through. ^^ |
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| Misaka is pretty damn powerful, I have a feeling she could kick Touma's ass if she really wanted to. |
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| EPIC. |
| Next one's a filler, good night fellas. |
| I enjoyed it but I feel it might suck that they will forget all about Harumi and the kids and go on to another arc and leave it unfinished (which seems to happen when they send someone to prison, you never see them again). I hope that's not the case, but great episode it did feel like the series was over after that arc which got much better in the last few episodes, I even cried a bit during the phone conversation with Saten and Uiharu in like episode 10 (before all the emotional stuff seemed a little trite to me). Great show. |
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