Which flopped harder?

nonofyourbeeswax said:
the fandom probably

LordSozin said:
Ah yes, the defender of AoT, @I_Am_Freeballing, is here to be the annoying prat that he is.

kareemamr said:

1-time travel?

Pred8r said:
I can't tell about the other points cause I don't know that stuff in detail but I cant say this that there is no time travel in AoT
They go through the memories of grisha and stuff and it's a casual loop

kareemamr said:

Not this part i understood this one and its genius.i am talking about the final chapter in the manga

kareemamr said:

1,2,3 i still cant think of any other possible explanation than time travel he wasnt a titan shifter nor had the founding power on that day
4 i dont get this plotline at all to be honest eren wasnt cruel to mikasa as fritz was to ymir mikasa overcame her feelings to kill him but its not the same reasons their stories are not similar
5 no comment tbh
6if he didnt want to be stopped he simply could have forced them to not to stop him
and he could have still ended the titan curse afterwards but without gambling with eldian lives
the uprising arc?it wasnt a civil war it was a corrupt goverment trying to hide the truth now everyone knows the truth and eren could use the founding power to maintain peace and still end the curse

Chota_Itachi said:
are you actually an anime only that just became a manga reader ?

I'm not judging you , it's just if you wanted to know people's opinion over this you would have created this thread in the manga section
but no.....

You made it in the anime section amd that's exactly what a pro-ending hater would do

And by that i mean........ you did not became a manga reader just yesterday

Jannn said:

Number 2 one is like this. Some of the content of is skipped in the anime. After Bertolt destroy the wall for the first time, Dina Fritz is right there and supposed to eat Bertolt but Eren didnt want Bertolt to be eaten cause he’s important for his future plans and thus he direct Dina Fritz to the inside of the walls. As a result of that, his mother is killed by that titan. He didnt intend to direct the titan to his mother but only to save Bertolt. CMIIW

kareemamr said:
yeah what i am questioning is how?that day he wasnt a titan shifter yet nor had he met ymir.the only possibility is that he did this redirection after meeting ymir which beg the question for me how?

Pred8r said:
Ohh my bad
A lot of people got confused on that one

I don't know about the last chapters cause I haven't read the manga

But I think I will cause I ain't waiting for a whole year just for 9 chapters lol

Pred8r said:
Ohh my bad
A lot of people got confused on that one

I don't know about the last chapters cause I haven't read the manga

But I think I will cause I ain't waiting for a whole year just for 9 chapters lol

Jannn said:
I mean Im just answering your number 2 about why he direct the titan to his mother when he didnt do that

kareemamr said:
ohh ok i get it now it wasnt intentional but still it doesnt make sense how he did it

kareemamr said:
ohh ok i get it now it wasnt intentional but still it doesnt make sense how he did it

Pred8r said:
If I had to guess it would be because of the PATHS cause its transcends space and time
But if you look to deep into it(this how and why stuff) then I doubt it'll make any sense cause some people consider it a plot hole some say it's fully explained ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Jannn said:
Well yeah I guess, I also didnt fully understand how that works,The ending definitely felt rushed imo

kareemamr said:

he told armin in the final chapter that he redirected dina fritz to ignore bertholt as it wasnt his time to die.So how did he do it if not for time travel?this was the day the wall fell he wasnt a titan shifter yet nor has met ymir so how

I_Am_Freeballing said:

1-What time travel? There is no time travel in this story.

2-He is expressing regret that he didn't. The Japanese (the original) raw has Eren regretting he didn't save his mom when he could have because he was consumed with revenge and hyper focused on the Rumbling.

3-He did not know Bert was the colossal titan since episode 1. What the hell?

4-Umm. Ymir was a slave. Her love for King Fritz is a parallel to Mikasa's love for Eren. Mikasa killing Eren IS what freed Ymir. Mikasa killed the one she loves, ie something Ymir was unable to do (she protected him and chose to suffer 2000 years instead).

5-Eren did not turn into a bird. That is a meme. The birds are simply symbolism for freedom.

6-A lot of people don't understand that Eren's goal and his wishes are not contradictory. He wanted to destroy the whole world. He said so himself again in 139. That doesn't change. He knew he would be stopped and that is different. He didn't WANT to be stopped, he just KNEW he would be.

How does Grisha begging Zeke to stop Eren not make sense? It's not like killing 80% of the population is somehow forgivable in comparison to doing a 100% Rumbling. It's still horrible.

While he wanted do kill everyone outside the walls, he knew that would not get rid of the power of the titans, which was his main goal. When he says ''I will exterminate every single one of them from this world'', he still means titans. What he saw in the future is Mikasa's choice ending the titan curse which is why he moved towards that.

The cycle would not have been broken. Those outside may not hate them cause they will have all died but what would happen then is exactly what Kiyomi said and Floch agreed with. Paradisians will fight each other on the island.

So what if Eren has the Founding Titan? So what if he erased everyone's memories? Did you forget the humanity inside the walls before the basement reveal? Did you forget the Uprising arc? If Eren killed the entire world, he would still have the titan powers, Ymir would still be imprisoned in Paths and he would still die in 4 years. Meaning a whole new inheritor of the Founding Titan who has their own agenda and could fuck shit up. Everyone who believes there would be eternal peace if Eren killed everyone off the island is just delusional.

LordSozin said:
Ah yes, the defender of AoT, @I_Am_Freeballing, is here to be the annoying prat that he is.

kareemamr said:
Ever since episode 7 i genuinely couldnt view aot the same way ever again.For me i saw a masterpiece getting destroyed as imo aot is one of the greatest shows ever made.I also read the manga yesterday and it just made things worse chapters 133-139 felt like reading a fairytale with the only thing missing is for the final chapter had me so confused and angry and no its not because .

Anyway this poll is just for fun before anyone might want think i am trolling/hating. i am not a hater i absolutely love aot but plot felt off since epi 7 for me i kept delaying watching it cuz i didnt feel the same about and i literally cant even rate this season right now and i wasnt a manga reader until yesterday, so what do you think?

kareemamr said:

1-time travel?
2-if eren could direct dina fritzz back then why did he kill his mother?motivate rumbling in future which actually didnt happen?
3-If he knew bertholt was clossal titan from the 1st episode why didnt he act on it?
4-Whats ymirs goal?she saw herself in mikasa and admired their love story so why did she cause mikasa to kill eren and then she just peaces out
5- pigeons/seagulls is eren a god or what even after he died they are still watching mikasa
6-so if that was erens plan all along then he might have saw it when he kissed historias hand which doesnt make sense cause greisha begged zeke to stop eren.also he was bent on rumbling all of the world and he didnt want to gamble eldians lives in the end he contradicted everything he said
u say the point is the continuity well the cycle could have been broken if rumbling happened in full effect,people would argue that the eldians would still fight cuz its "human nature" but thats simply not possible because eren has the founding power and could literally induce eternal peace(the remaining foreigners wont be able to rebel and they were helping eldians out of their own accord)

Beezy1218 said:

1. there's not really time travel. eren's attack titan exists at all points of the path/coordinate, especially after Ymir picks Eren instead of Zeke. that's why in the last chapter Eren says that the power is basically driving him crazy because he exists everywhere at once.
2. By this point he has the founding Titans power. he can control every Titan and Subject of Ymir.
3. he didn't know that. only post Season 3 Eren knows this. Child Eren wasn't aware of the manipulation. think about it, it starts with him crying and Mikasa asks why. he can't answer because he doesn't remember. but it felt like a long dream.
4. Ymir was just a slave. like everyone else. that's the motif. Slave to Fritz because she loved him. same as Mikasa to Eren. but where as Ymir accepted the Devil's bargain, Mikasa didn't. it's not that they're connected, Mikasa was just lowkey a stone cold murderer with a conviction of steel
5. bruh that seagull wasn't Eren it's just supposed to make you feel sad and reminiscent. showing at his core Eren wasn't a monster, the world and Grisha made him into one.
6. yes, it does make sense. when Eren kisses the hand, THATS when the power awakens. he sees everything. and by that point, everything has been and always was in motion. Grisha killing the Riess' because Eren made him, that's the 1 true event. that's how it always happened. basically he saw he was and must continue being in and manipulating the coordinate. basically if he brought his friends along they'd be hated by everyone, or dead. Lelouch archetype my guy. Even in Season 3, Eren says he just wants his friends and family to live. Even if he's in the wrong, that's what was happening. basically it's showing ever since he was a kid, he had a burden placed on him he didn't want. by his father and his future self. When Grisha begs Zeke to stop Eren, he literally says it's pointless because Eren "won" and will get what he wants- AKA The Rumbling.
7. And I meaaaan, sure, but do you approve of the genocide of the planet??? why do you think the motif of killing throughout the series is "dirtying your hands"? and I think it's trying to draw a parallel to real life. humans will always fight. look at this thread for an example LOL. I do understand if the ending isn't your cup of tea, but I appreciate that it didn't go for a Sunshine and Rainbows ending, I don't think the story has ever been that type of story, so it wouldn't make sense to end it that way.

Schwarznight said:
Have not seen GoT, because I think it is overrated garbage that tries to sell sex and nudity. Take away all the sex, and the show would probably have scored lower. It clearly took inspiration from LOTR + and the War of the Roses and just added sex. Dragons + sex + family feuds = amazing apparently... Trash.

Still, AoT's manga ending is atrocious. Comparing two turds makes little difference. NOTHING gets resolved by the end of AoT. EVERYTHING is left in a worse state. There are countless character assassinations, and the story is retconned, meaning that it is impossible to rewatch previous seasons. The mangaka used so many asspulls by this point. The retcons make AoT's previous seasons unwatchable. This type of time travelling/some degree of controlling fates = disaster.

kareemamr said:

Exactly it all felt pointless.Levi went from badass edgy guy to i have to kill zeke!! but annie who played football with my squad is cool idc fuck petra anyway i wasnt really sad i was faking it, and fans are still WORSHIPPING him i dont know how. and thats only one of the few character assassinations that happened.Also finally someone else acknowledged the time travel/fate control bs it led to the appearance of many plotholes and countless possibilities which as u said =disaster

guizo- said:
it's not that bad YET. But definetly went down a lot...

GoT was like; ''we don't want money anymore, let's just finish it before George dies''

AoT is; ''Nooooooooo, it's ending! Quick, how can we milk it some more?''

The final season naming is just a cheap trick to make more hype, i do resent them for that, but not enough to say it's bad now... I just don't like Debbie Downer Ehren and how artificially people made decisions these last 2 seasons (final 1 and 2 (this is stupid))

Merve2Love said:
Hmmm the vote is pretty clear....


Maybe it's because AoT is pretty much loved by 90% of people who watched it...
To suggest it that it "flopped" is pretty.....weird...and just wrong, aswell

It's almost like, and this is gonna sound craaaaazy, people who haven't watched 100 Shows in their Lifetimes don't really know what they talking about, when discussing Anime...

*cough*

kareemamr said:
yeah what i am questioning is how?that day he wasnt a titan shifter yet nor had he met ymir.the only possibility is that he did this redirection after meeting ymir which beg the question for me how?

kareemamr said:

Well obviously it flopped among manga readers u could see how much hate it generated prior to this part which ruined the experience for many anime onlys myself included.So if we talking anime only i guess u can say will flop not flopped.Also if u think i am hating i am not at all aot is a masterpiece for me absolute 10/10(up to epi7 this part) which when i started to have second thoughts and picking up the manga 2 days ago made it worse.
100 shows in lifetime? i probably saw this much its anime that i am fairly new to watched maybe 25 animes idk .So i think i know what i am talking about

Merve2Love said:



Oh, I wasn't talking about you, my boy^^


Just about these guys who watched around 60 Anime (barely scratching the Medium), who than go on trying to formulate an opinion about said medium and kinda get met with overwhelming disagreement....like....in a poll or something.


Those guys^^

epidemia78 said:
"Time travel is dumb", but people turning into man eating giants is totally OK.

But yeah GOT was way worse. I can't imagine anyone on earth was satisfied with the way it ended. The show's producers just got tired of doing it so they killed it intentionally.

kareemamr said:

Oh sorry my bad and i think i agree with u i used to make fun of my friends who watch anime all the time and just got into it myself recently and now i realized how wrong i was lol

Merve2Love said:


Im not making fun of you.
Im just suggestion that you're maaaaybe not beeing able to differentiate between what's an actual flop and what is not....talking about Anime, now^^

That maaaaaaaaay be, because you haven't experienced much of the Medium you are trying to critique.

Don't know. Maybe you just triggered me, huh?^^

You're entitled to an opinion, of course. Rate it. Love it or hate it. That's fine^^
I just think you're objectevely wrong about this one....the poll kinda speaks volumes, aswell
AoT is not a flop. And it's not compareable to what happened to GoT. Period.